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I was referring to mundane run of the mill cars like Camry/Accord/Aura/What ever. Most buyers of these cars for transportation and want good features but will not pay $35k.
I checked out the no haggle pricing at Edmunds and they will sell a whole bunch of XE 2wd's at about $30,240 and then a whole bunch of XR 4wd at about $38,000.
The first is a nicely equipped cloth interior and the 2nd a nicely equipped 4WD XR with the leather. Dealers will probably primarily stock the XR's with a few XE's in the first year and then start ordering more cloth cars later.
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/patternorder.jsp?year=2007®ionID=1&- - - divisionID=10&vehicleID=4434&modelID=7371
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/patternorder.jsp?year=2007®ionID=1&- - - divisionID=10&vehicleID=4434&modelID=7372
I priced out the AWD XR and it was $35K.
Seriously, though- how many want a Q7 over an Acadia?
What he said was HE would rather have the Yukon XL so he was giving his opinion and up to a year or so ago the Suburbans and Yukons were selling much better than any vehicle out there other than a Camry or Accord. Times have changed due to mpg but most would still want the large old truck if mpg was not an issue. Sales do not lie. Folks love to drive the big trucks for many reasons. Whether safety, looks or whatever. Hopefully the Lamdas will satisfy this market and sell.
Granted, the Envoy is not too bad. Just nowhere near the handling + fuel economy + acceleration combination that the Lambda triplets have. Framed vehicles are at a disadvantage in almost every way possible.
where did you get that from? A yukon xl beats everything except minivans in everything except gas mileage. Xl has 3 more in. leg room in third row, and 4in. second row. Also almost 20 ft more cargo space! Explorer is far from the best you can do for framed SUv. And q7 has gotten a bad rep and doesnt handle well.
What he means is in terms of space efficiency and driving dynamics a CUV KILLS a framed SUV. If you were to stretch the Enclave/Outlook/Acadia 20 inches, legroom would be like 42/42/40 and cargo would be like 50 cubic ft; which makes the Yukon's dimensions look like crap.
It's just rough has hell right now because I needed to have an SUV about 2-3 weeks ago and i'm still waiting.
Only other option I feel is the Pilot, but the interior bugs me, so damn boring.
thx
Additionally, I find it funny how Saturn is already advertising the Outlook across the web when they don't even have a build your own section on their website yet.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=116089#4
They seem to show a really nice and flat cargo space the whole way through when all seats are folded down. It's my understanding that you can lay a 4x8 sheet of plywood in there.
Wonder why GMC and Saturn don't have that shot on their web sites?? I can't be the only one looking for a feature like this.
While the Enclave will be larger, Buick's crossover will carry a "lower price than those vehicles," said Steve Shannon, Buick general manager. The Enclave will debut this week at the Los Angeles auto show.
The Enclave is one of three new mid-sized crossovers General Motors is developing on the automaker's new front-drive Lambda vehicle architecture. All-wheel drive is available. The vehicles can seat seven or eight, depending on seat configuration.
The 2007 Saturn Outlook and 2007 GMC Acadia precede the Buick version. Enclave sales are to begin in late spring. It has unique styling and does not share its greenhouse and exterior panels with the Saturn and GMC models.
"This class of vehicles, these Lambdas, are the biggest car-based (crossovers) out there. So to that extent, it is a little bit uncharted waters," said Shannon. "We will probably get more people out of vans than come out of mid-sized utes."
Shannon was interviewed at an Enclave preview earlier this month at GM's proving grounds in Milford, Mich.
The Lambda-based crossovers have a long wheelbase for a mid-sized crossover - 118.9 inches. The wheelbase enhances second-row legroom. Power comes from GM's 3.6-liter V-6 engine, mated to the automaker's new six-speed automatic.
Shannon said the Lucerne and the Enclave are re-establishing Buick around several key fundamentals. Among them: quality, interior refinement and craftsmanship, technology that is powerful yet simple to use, and what Shannon says is an interior with "a library kind of quietness. Intense engineering is done to get us quiet tuning."
Shannon said the Enclave "has a gorgeous outside shape, is elegant, has a lot of jewelry. This is basically a luxury car that just happens to seat seven or eight."
I am also curious about this. I did a price comparison between the Acadia and the Outlook on Edmunds, if you take the same options on both you are talking about the same price, but if the listed price on Saturn is what you actually pay then Acadia seems like a better deal if you are able to haggle.
Thanks,
B.
I hope you know they were being overly optimistic about this comment. Well- actually they might be right. THose ugly vans SUCK. The third row seats don't even recline!!! But so many will come down from the Envoys and trailblazers because these were the best things on thier market at the time. No one else had a more comfortable 3rd row in a midsize SUV. And though size was long and narrow, they got better mileage than full size SUV options. But they have drawbacks that Lambdas will make up for. Like why would Ibuy a long Envoy (longer than expedition!!) when I can get more room and better mileage? You guys who have them tow. But many ownwers are women with kids who don't need that ability. GM understands this, and though they won't say it outloud, they are well prepared. ENvoy remoldel was resceduled from this summer to next fall, and downgraded to a freshening. And you know after this year the XL is gone. They should totally cancel the trailblazer as it is ugly, and why have two of your own competing in the same market? They should do like with future minivans and focus on one model.
Now all I have to do is wait for the Enclave Super or whatever they're going to call the V8 model. What do you guys think, another year?
Love my truck but an Enclave would do everything I need and more. Have to wait a few years to get it.
Future of mid SUV's is up in air. I think they are waiting to see how the Lamdas do.
So if you want to tow you get a Tahoe/Suburban. If you want to carry you get a Lamda. Seems like a great combo to me.
As of October GM has sold 225K mid size SUV's so it is one plant. Was 325K last year at this time(2 plants). So if they can keep a plant open they will keep it going. I would say that if in one year they still sold one plants worth a year (250K) and gas stays near $2.25 they would do a refresh (interior and exterio) on the Chevy and GMC short versions.
Standard in outlook, optional on Acadia.
7-passenger (2-2-3 seating configuration)
1 - Includes 2nd row flat-folding Captains Chair.
Standard on Acadia, optional on Outlook
ABC Seating, 8-passenger (2-3-3 seating configuration)
1 - Includes 2nd row 60/40 split flat-folding bench seat.
Standard on Outlook, Optional on Acadia
Steve Shannon, General Manager of Buick.
Hey, but it is all true! :P
though seating for extra persons is not a priority for me.
And that clean 4x8' area means alot to me.