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It looks like GM learned their lesson on that one. GM turned down the new idea to build a minivan because they figured it would hurt their profitable station wagon sales. Chrysler brought one out and Wagon sales dumped.
Yukon sales will go down but GM sees that the future of the Yukon is numbered at the volumes it was getting. Better to have the Yukoner's buying Acadias than some other companies. They have killed the Trailblazer XL's and right now there is no future for the regular Trailblazer.
Sucks that I need an SUV so soon, 08 seems like an amazing year.
If anyone knows or finds any info prior to launch please post it.
that Pilot. So, If push comes to shove, I'd beg, barrow
or steal a vehilce, or get an extension on that lease(what ever it takes) for a few weeks or a month... to test drive that Acadia/Outlook first. If My 'Ugly' breaks in half, then that is what I would do. Good luck and hang in there,
as you will most probably find this a good choice from all indications. I'll be test driving too.
Good point. If you go to their site though they have it as 2007. I would have thunk that they could have delayed shipping 4 weeks so they could have called it a 2008. Maybe they need the sales and profits ASAP!!!
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/brandsel.jsp?regionID=1&year=2007
I'm not sure how the Outlook/Acadia will be at the dealers by Dec, when according to this article, production starts in Dec, advertising begins in Jan, so I'd assume that they'd hit the dealers in Feb. What article were you quoting?
10/11/06 article:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061012/FREE/61011004&Search- - - ID=73262427534067
"GM plans to launch the advertising for the Outlook and the Acadia in late January, Jackson said. Production starts in early December. Enclave production starts in March or April"
I wouldn't necesarily assume that advertising begins before vehicles are on the dealers lot, which it seems you are doing. I would think that GM would want cars on dealer lots before they start advertising them heavily. Who wants to see an ad and then not see the vehicle?
Karl
Advertising is starting in january when there will be sufficient stock. Lately GM has been thumped because they started advertising before product was at dealerships (i.e. Solstice/G6)
crossover vehicle, General Motors turned to a jury.
Not just a jury of the Enclave's competitive peers.
A jury of ears.
"Enclave is one of the quietest crossovers on the road," said Anna Kretz,
vehicle line executive for GM's front-wheel-drive trucks.
"The result of (our) rigorous engineering approach is a whisper-quiet cabin
that will allow first-row passengers to actually converse with third-row
occupants as well as reduce the overall feeling of fatigue when traveling
on long trips."
Buick officials showed off some of the sound technology and engineering
Thursday behind the Enclave's library-like interior at testing facilitieshere. That included a specially-built "jury room" at GM's Milford Proving
Grounds.
The jury room looks much like you would expect: Wood paneling.
Sound-deadening fabric flat panels. A wrap-around conference table. Seats
for a dozen or more people.
But instead of a jury foreman at the head of the U-shaped table, there was
a human-shaped head-and-shoulders device known as an Aachen HEAD, with
microphones instead of ears. Using that device, nicknamed Snow White, Buick
engineers went out and digitally recorded cabin noise over various roads
and at various speeds, to compare Enclave against other upscale
competition.
Back in the jury room, engineers - and journalists - donned high-end
headphones to compare short bursts of sound from the Enclave and its
competition, back-to-back.
In each case, the vote was always, or nearly, unanimous: The interior sound
quality and levels in the Enclave beat the competition, earmuffs down.
Unveiled as a concept at the 2006 North American International Auto Show in
Detroit, the Enclave has many local links.
Its 3.6-liter high-feature, 275-horsepower V-6 engine will be built on a
new production line at GM's Flint Engine South, and the vehicle will be
assembled at the new Lansing/Delta Township plant where many Genesee County
residents work. It's scheduled to go on sale next summer.
Other vehicles slated for production at Lansing/Delta include the GMC
Acadia and the Saturn Outlook crossover vehicles. Pricing for the Enclave
has not been announced.
that my Ugly, a 1997 base 4cyl Caravan with roll up windows (all I could afford at the time), has been in my posession for 121 months now. It also has 119,000 miles...no rattles and no squeaks...promise! Point is, I positively believe that the Lambdas which will drive much much closer to a sedan/van than a truck, should relieve those insecurities for you. Remember, my vehilce is a base unit(one of those
"2 at this price" dudes)with little attributes(ie. sound sensitive engineering)and believe any of these Lambdas should not be a noisy concern. Since I tend to keep vehicles for 10 years, noise is my least concern in my next purchase...which I do intend to keep for another 10 years.
You are so overprotective of the Freestyle! You act like we're saying it'a piece of crap and you should get an "almighty Lambda." I stated some correct information, and you had a total attitude, like you knew it all even though I was correct.
And yes it is negative the way you talk about that guy! If he says that he sat in 3rd row of acadia,with seat all the way back and it was more comftorable than in Freestyle, than he's right in is oppinion, and you shouldn't analize. He's wasn't bashing ford. He was just helping us out with a his totally legal(probably true) oppinion. Though some don't, You like your Freestyle. But don't take it out on us! This is how you get negative response.
on a second ground, PIG, you shouldn't just go for lambdas. You should be expecting quality. (though i don't remember if this was you) If your doing this just to support GM, then don't. GM doesn't want charity. THey want to sell cars because they are good. You should expect qualities like sound proofing. You've been stuck with "ugly" for years (me too) and you shoud not waste your downpayment on crap!
BTW, if you think any car companies want to sell cars because they're good, then that's pretty naive. They're a business and they want to sell cars for profit. And if you don't like someone analyzing another person's post...well that's part of what these forums are for. People make comments or state opinions, and other counter. All cars have good and bad points, so try not to get so defensive when you hear counter arguments. If you notice, the only time I make counter points is when something inaccurate is stated. Someone subjective opinions are just that...their subjective opinions. Nothing wrong with that.
Length 189.3 in. 199.8 in. 200.7 in.
Width 74.7 in. 74.4 in. 78.2 in.
Height 70.2 in. 65.9 in. 72.8 in.
Weight 4400 lbs. 4100 lbs. 4722 lbs. (AWD versions all)
Wheel Base 112.6 in. 112.9 in. 118.9 in.
Ground Clearance 8.9 in. 8 in. 7.4 in.
The Acadia is much wider. The length of the Freesytle vs. Acadia is within 1 inch of each other. However, why is the Acadia gound clearance so low? Also, the Acadia is heavier by about 100 lbs than my F-150 pickup. Is the Acadia made of lead? I guess the taller roof and wider body is the extra weight. On the Acadia's side, the fact that you can get 26 MPG (EPA highway) in an Acadia is amazing; the engine is incredible, although the power is sapped trying to pull that much weight.
Why is the ground clearance so low? Because the interior height is a function of height - ground clearance - structure.
Since I do not know the structure I can only use the first factors and get relative numbers.
XC90.......61.3
Freestyle..57.9
Acadia.....65.4
Acadia will have about 4" more of interior height than the XC 90 and a huge 5.5" more than the Freestyle.
The Acadia is a people/stuff hauler and is BIG. Wider/longer/taller. It is not made for off roading so ground clearance can be lower than SUV's AND lowe ground height should make excellent ingress/egress.
I have not found a site that gives height from inside floor to inside ceiling. Either it is headroom, which is primarily a factor of seat height, or interior cubic inches. IF the floor pan of the acadia is like a normal minivan ( which I think it is) it will have a flat floor from front to rear. Ceiling height will be relatively flat except for bumps to surround air ducts and such.
XC90.......61.3
Freestyle..57.9
Acadia.....65.4
From Cars.com is shows for Acadia/Freestyle/Volvo XC90:
Front headroom 40.4" 39.4" 39.7"
Rear headroom 39.3" 39.7" 38.4"
3rd row headroom 38.4" 38.6" 35.5"
Probably more accurate then using ground clearance and vehicle height because there's a lot going on in the ceilings and floors and under the floor!
From my earlier post:
overall height-ground clearance-structure=interior height.
Like I said I do not have the structure dimensions but made an assumption that they would be similar. Most likely the latest design will have the least amount of structure thickness but, like I said, it was a guess.
Now with your supplied head room numbers I can guess at seat height.
XC90:.....61.3-35.5= 25.8"
Freestyle:57.9-38.6=19.3"
Acadia:...65.4-38.4=27"
Per the above I can surmise that the rear seat in a Freestyle is pretty uncomfortable or that they have less "structure" than the other two. Actually I think these guess's have gone too far!! We will have to just wait and see. I just think that the Acadia will have the most interior height than any SUV/CUV and approaching minivan dimensions.
Exterior: VolvoXC90---Freestyle---Acadia
Length 189.3 in. 199.8 in. 200.7 in.
Width 74.7 in. 74.4 in. 78.2 in.
Height 70.2 in. 65.9 in. 72.8 in.
Weight 4400 lbs. 4100 lbs. 4722 lbs. (AWD versions all)
Wheel Base 112.6 in. 112.9 in. 118.9 in.
Ground Clearance 8.9 in. 8 in. 7.4 in.
1. 3rd row is easily accessed by pulling up a lever on the second row seats; the seats move forward and fold up automatically for easy access.
2. Decent legroom in the 3rd row even with the second row seat all the way back (well, I think it was all the way back). My knees were touching the seat just a bit, which could get annoying on a long trip, and since the seat is close to the ground my legs were raised a bit. But overall I was pleased by the amount of room (I'm 5'11")
3. With third row up, again I was pleased at the amount of room behind the third row. Enough for groceries, small suitcases, etc.
4. Quite a bit of hard plastics in the cabin (i.e. the dash, etc.). I would have thought the Acadia would have had more soft plastics, but maybe they are leaving that to the Enclave.
5. Make no mistake, this is a large SUV. There was a Yukon nearby, and this is nearly the same size, although much less boxy. Looks bigger than the new MDX that was also nearby.
Overall not a bad package at all. A little more chunky up close than I expected, will wait for the Enclave/Mazda CX-9 to compare.
Wow, you know a lot more than us!! Which parts on the Acadia are from the parts bin? I guess we could say the powertrain but that sure is normal and everyone does that.
Up til then, you had some good points. but you did make a counter point when I said something correct. Anyway, the acadia's ground clearance is only 7.5 inches? i guess that's not terrible. And it should cut down on gas mileage. 4700 lbs is a bit heavy, but Honda Pilot weighs over 4500(ft shorter). ANd good weight to power ratio (17.1 to hp)in next month's automobile I saw picture of new Volkswagen crossover. Looks good. Lamdas may have some same market competition soon.
tested the Freestyle 0-60 at 8.7 seconds("felt sluggish on takeoff") and they would be so much less influenced by any manufacturer, than any other auto publisher. That's where I intend to make a large portion of my evaluation from.
ACG also states, "this car-type SUV is a cousin of the Ford 500/Mercury Montego sedans, sharing underskin design originated by Ford-owned Volvo".
All the US Auto Makers are sharing their European mergers'
saftey and performance designs. Also I certanly hope we don't go into a diahrea on the keyboards of Porches/MBs/
Volvos/Jaguars/Mitsubishi/Saab/this/that/or/and the other for the next several pages/days. But I feel this coming with some of the Freestyle wagon zealots. I'm convienced this is going to be a GM forum taken over by 'Fordots'.
GM just produced the first Acadia off the assembly line in Lansing, yesterday I think, Nov 13 or 14, 2006. When I dropped my son off yesterday after lunch, there by the front door in the Parking Lot was a new Acadia, so it could not have been over 1 or 2 days old.
These new SUV's (CUV?) look very nice, esp. compared to the Envoy/Trailblazer, which I thought was ungainly and not well proportioned. I will be very interested in the Buick Enclave, as I have turned into a major Buick fan, now having owned 6 Buicks and before that 4 Mercedes. The Benz's, seemed to break and are now very expensive to fix, compared to the old days. The Buicks seem bullet proof, at least the 5.7L and 3.8L engines. They hit 200K miles without much of a sweat...an alternator around 150K, plus a water pump and you're good to go.
So I hope the Enclave is as nice as it looks on its website.
I have to say that if the car is anything like the rendering it is going to be awfully beautiful. Now if they put a decent engine and a 6-speed Direct-Shift-Gearbox it would give the Enclave a huge run for its money. We're talking MDX competition here. I think this thing will be above the Acadia and Outlook in price by a significant margin.
Agree! If there's a need to include additional makes/models to the discussion we can do that or set up more specific comparison topics. For now, let's focus on the Acadia, Outlook and Enclave.
Thanks.
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