I heard the same thing...that the new 6spd auto is a joint GM/Ford development. I won't mention the name of one of the Ford CUVs that will be using the new 6spd :P
Before this new partnership, Ford had been using 6-speed automatics sourced from Aisin. I'm not sure what GM was using. This should be definitely be good for both companies though. It should cut their costs and reliance on outside suppliers.
Interior section-(AXC) Windows, power with driver Express-Up and -Down, changed the description to read "Windows, power with driver Express-Up and -Down, and Passenger Express-Down".
Been really into the CX-9, went to the Boston Auto show this weekend hoping to get to check it out, unfort nothing there, BUT what did I run into, yup the Acadia and Outlook. I was able to get a chance to really crawl around the car, try able the seats play with stuff the whole business. I was really impressed, not a huge fan of American cars, I generally do not like GM interiors, but my mind has changed on this vehicle. Best 3rd row seating of all the SUV 3rd row equipped vehicles I sat in. Thought the quality and execution was well done, liked the exterior a lot, great headlights. IMO the Acadia looks better then the Outlook. This one had captains chairs, liked this set-up. Looked big on the outside, but once inside it felt like a smaller car in a good way, not some huge behemoth.
Acadia/Outlook were supposed to be in dealerships mid November. Where did you hear this? Ive heard this on this forum, but nowhere else! I might be in luck. Though I haven't been on in a while,Ive seen a lot on Freestyle. It sucks!!!!!JK!!!! It's a nice vehichle-just outdated. Had it come in 2001/2 It would have had a chance. I tried the vehicle. Great room, but not enough power or styling for my down payment. Which is almost opposite for pacifica. lacks some third row space and cargo, but great interior. It really works the station wagon look great. Given choice I'd buy Pacfica. Comparing Freestyle to lambdas- though nice to me, freestyle dosn't have much to offer me. Lamdas have 72 more hp, nearly 20 more cu feet of cargo space and more third row room. Not to mention no big console betweensecond row captians (which I like). The freestyle only has a couple inches more second row leg room, and the two are about the same price when loaded comparably. But Lamdas look good. I won't worship Ford- But I won't hate it. But it's time for an upgrade. I openly consider ford full of idiots for not putting third row in edge. It's already on CX-9 platform. Just stretch it to 190 inches-maybe larger wheelbase, and add cargo space too. That would be nice size!
Interior section-(AXC) Windows, power with driver Express-Up and -Down, changed the description to read "Windows, power with driver Express-Up and -Down, and Passenger Express-Down".
While I appreciate them adding Express Up/Down to the driver's side and Express down to the passenger side, why can they not just put express up/down on both driver and passenger side. Come on! What's so hard about that?
It would be nice for this to happen, but as it is mid November in just one week and we have yet to hear anything from GM, do you really believe this will happen?
I've read on some other forum (how accurate it is I have no idea) but they were related some strike/production problem for delays in getting the Acadia out. There timing was that it would be leaving the factory in December is possible dealer forecourt in December but more probably early January.
I think there are safety issues with express up (kids and fingers), so they only put in on the driver's window...I'm only guessing, so we'll see if someone finds a dozen cars with express up/down on all the windows!
And trying not to be beat a dead horse, I would like to point out some inaccuracies on a previous post: on the Freestyle you can get a second row console between the second row captain chairs, and the third row legroom is equal to the lambdas. The Edge is based on the CX-7 platform, not CX-9, and Ford specifically did not put in a 3rd row because they have the Freestyle to cover that. Comments like outdated, style, power, are just subjective, so everyone has a different view on them. The main size difference is in the width of the lanbdas, which really increase the cargo space and makes it possible for 3 across in the third row, and a more comfortable 3 across in the second row, but if you’re putting captain chairs in the second row, then the extra width doesn’t help for seating comfort in rows 1 or 2, but only makes for a wider center console.
If you need 8 passenger seating, big towing, big space inside, and AWD then the lambdas are probably the only non-minivan option. I think most of the other CUVs out there are only 7 passenger. And the Sienna is the only AWD minivan, which has the most space inside of any vehicle mentioned here. In reality, it’s the minivan that’s going to be one of the main competition of these big CUVs like the lambdas. When someone needs a minivan for carrying three rows of passengers and cargo on a regular basis, they’re not going to look at some of the smaller CUVs because they’re too small. They probably already have minivans of some sort, so they’re going to compare their current Dodge Grand Caravan or whatever they have to the lambdas and see how they compare.
You’ll also have those driving the big SUVs and downsizing, so they’re going to look for these big CUVs as an alternative too, but here is seems like it will be GM SUV owners going for GM CUVs, but if the lambdas can take some minivan owners away from Dodge, Toyota, Honda, etc, then GM would get a new customer base, rather than recycling their own customers.
Anyway, something to talk about until the lambdas are released!
they’re going to compare their current Dodge Grand Caravan or whatever they have to the lambdas WOW you hit the nail on the head with this one...actually, we ARE looking to trade in our Grand Caravan for an Enclave...can't wait until more info(i.e.-pricing) is available
I think the main factor when comparing a minivan to the lambdas are going to be the number of car seats in use. For families with teens, the lambdas will be more appealing because they can climb anywhere they need to go, but for those with smaller kids in carseats, then the lambdas won't be as appealing because those fold-forward seats won't work with carseats in them, and it would be tough to strap in a kid in the 3rd row of a lambda.
I agree. For the 6 of us it's just 14 and up, so there will be no carseat issues for a while. And the 6 buckets are really all we need for those long trips (15 hours) to our second house.
I guess the real advantage of the Lambdas (as you have mentioned) is they provide the space and economy of a minivan without that 'soccer mom/dad' appearance. That's what we are really after.
One of the differences will be the 8 CuFt of cargo space behind the 3rd row you'll lose with the lambda in comparison with your Grand Caravan, so if right now you're filling up that space to the max in your GC, you may have put some stuff on the roof in the lambda.
Yea, I realized there would be less cargo area, but I didn't know how much. Does the 8 cubes difference compare to the acadia/outlook (which I haven't looked too much at) because I haven't seen any actual Enclave specs...I know they'll be roughly identical, but just wondering if you may have a link or something for Enclave specific capacity...
Actually I think I'm wrong there. It looks like it's closer to 20 cubes for the Outlook (and Enclave too I'm guessing) vs from the Dodge webpage: Cargo behind 3rd row = 26.4 cubes (I thought it was a lot more because the Odyssey is at 38.4 cubes and Sienna is at 46.3 behind the 3rd row, and I didn't realize the GC's cargo area was so small in comparison)
Another thing you'll want to consider is how long-legged your 3rd row occupants will be, as it's 33" of legroom in the lambdas vs 38.0 in the GC and I think it's 38" in the 2nd row of the lambda vs 39" 2nd row legroom in the GC, so even if you adjusted the 2nd row of the lambda forward to help out the 3rd row, you'll get at best 35-36" average in the 2nd and 3rd row for the lambda vs 39-40" in the GC, plus the 6.5 extra cubes of luggage. So regardless of how class-setting the lambda is in terms of interior space for a CUV, it's still a CUV and not a minivan, but then again it really depends on how you're currently fitting in your GC and does the 4" less legroom and less luggage cubes will matter? You'll just have to sit inside and see for sure.
I am 6ft tall wide shouldered guy to give you a good idea of comparisons. I thought legroom was solid all around, did not do the test of puting the 2nd row seat all the way back then sitting in the rear, all I know is that I could sit in the 2nd row very comfortably then sit in the rear comfortably.
The one I sat in was pretty loaded it was white, it had tan leather, I think DVD system, but don't recall the Nav or dual sunroofs. I looked at the specs but did not analyze, I guess I should have spent more time, but had so many cars to look at and not enough time.
As for peoples comments about the Freestyle having the same amount of room, look at specs all you want the Freestyle 3rd row did not feel as spacious as the Acadia, no question. Perception is reality, I sat in both and it was pretty clear to me the Acadia was much more comfortable. I also beleive that they also made that 3rd row so that my shoulders were not 5 inches above the top like so many others. Of course I did not analyze how this would effect backing up. I also did not think that there was a significant amouunt of room behind the 3rd row, I got the impression they made the 3rd row more comfortable instead of trying to make it only for kids and giving tons of room in the back.
My buddy who was with me who hates American cars + hates SUV's + prefers smaller cars, was impressed also. There were a number of people around the car non-car fanatics and they all seemed pretty excited by it.
I'm exhausted from all the Ford and Freestyle talk on this forum and the negitive energy subtly dispersed over the excitement most of us here are looking to. We should all show a little more consideration for others.(one example is msg# 671)
I guess I'll stop stating facts and making objective comments and comparisons to other vehicles because even though I've made many positive comments about the lambdas, whenever I make a comparison to other vehicle, or make corrections to someone posting inaccurate information, I get bashed, so I'll let this forum go back one-sided comments
In my final comment, let me just say that the guy who was sitting in the 3rd row of the Acadia and it was bigger than the 3rd row of the Freestyle, yes the 3rd row of the Acadia is bigger because it's designed for three people and the Freestyle is designed for 2, plus if you didn't have the 2nd row seats in the furthest back position, you can't really compare the two. But I know by saying this I'm being negative, so let my final post here simply say once again that if someone needs AWD, high towing capability, and room for 8 passengers (or 6 big ones!) than the lamdas sound like a great vehicle; however, if you really need a lot of interior space but don't need AWD, then a minivan might be a better choice, or you're really looking to seat 6, there are smaller CUVs that have the same legroom but less shoulder and hip rooms to compare against...but yes I know in saying this I'm being negative.
Okay, someone bash me, and go back and put your blinders on to other vehicles.
you need to start understanding that car specifications are not always meaningful. Example: Maybach 57 Front/Rear Legroom- 41.3/40.3; Toyota Avalon Front/Rear Legroom- 41.3/40.9. While these may be true specs, there is NO WAY you have as much room in the back of an Avalon as you do in a Maybach. I mean, the wheelbase is 22 inches longer! While a Freestyle or minivan or whatever else may have a lot of legroom in number form, the real amount of space can only be known from first hand experience. The Lambdas have a 6 inch longer wheelbase than the Freestyle, so I bet any amount of money they will seem much more roomy between the rows when experienced in person.
Sorry for the double post, my computer exited out of the tab I was working on for some weird reason.
Thanx for sharing the experience. Really the news I've been hoping for...as I was concerned that it might feel a little like a big boat...similar to an old Eldorado. I'm Just that step or 2 closer now, but still holding off on the test drive and an actual unbias "normal driving" mpg report.
I think there are safety issues with express up (kids and fingers), so they only put in on the driver's window...I'm only guessing, so we'll see if someone finds a dozen cars with express up/down on all the windows! ====================== I'll start it out with my 07 Cadillac STS has express up/down on all the windows from the drivers door. As a matter of fact I will go you one better, even the rear seat passengers have express up/down on their own window. :P :P I'll even bet that all Cadillacs have the same feature. Even my 99 did. :P
Edge is actually based off CX9 platform according to edmunds. And I know Freestyle has center console between seats. I'm saying I don't like that (just my oppinion). Ford should put a third row into Edge because they know Edge is very hot seller, and Freestyle never was. They are arleady preparing a replacement for the Freestyle, so what I should be saying is What's taking so long? More power is a problem I hear from every magazine, and website that tests it. freestyle's no porker but can be sluggish. I'll say it again. The Freestyle is a decent vehicle. If You really like the Ford 500 but need a station- and third row every once in a while, then Freestyle is your car. Problem is, until recently, ford hadn't been answering the right questions. Most people would rather buy a 300 than a 500 for styling and power for example. I do agree that Lambas will definitely hurt sales of Gm's new SUV's, and definitely Envoy, because No one really wants to give up space and gas mileage for styling (suburban's a different story.)And that Envoy Xl was way too long and narrow.
Forget about the Ford Edge, Ford 500, and the Freestyle. What if Ford took the Focus Wagon and doubled it's size? Then you would really have something that would blow the Acadia out of the water. Just think, it would have over a 140cubic feet of cargo space and that would be great! Never mind that it would be over 300 inches(25feet)long and 120 inches(10feet)wide. It would only weigh around 5,000lbs and yet could carry 10 people for around $35,000. Also if Ford took the same hp-weight ratio of the present focus wagon and employed that same ratio to the new big one, then it would have about 270hp with mpg at 26city and 32hwy. I honestly believe Ford has dropped the ball and you guys should inform them of the market they are missing. A comfortable 10 seater in a 5000lb vehicle with great mpg at $35,000 is a nobrainer, considering Focus' very pleasant styling!!!
I monitor several forums here at Edmunds and this is by far the most cynical, argumentative, complaining, combative group I have come across. Hopefully this will change once we actually get our grubby little hands on the vehicles.
We should try cut each other a little bit of slack.
It was primarily directed for those enjoyment who would find it somewhat entertaining, as this forums has brought many of us to the point of crying or laughing and felt the higher road was to have a good laugh considering all the crying and whining that seems to dominate this forum. And if some were offended by it, then possibly they take all this Car stuff a little to serious. Why not keep this whole thing as light and polite as possible and have a little love out there!
I'm sorry- what was the point of that post? Help me i really don't understand. Every one whose saying Lamdas are 15 days away, I WANT HARD PROOF. WHERE ARE YOU GUYS GETTING THIS FROM? This is a matter of Outlook or Pacifica (just kidding) Why was the sema show so early this year? usually not until thanksgiving.
Ummmm... in case you were referring to my 20 days post I was talking about the unveiling of the Buick Enclave production model on Nov. 28th at the L.A. Autoshow. I wasn't saying anything about the Outlook or Acadia arriving in dealers. Sorry if that was misleading.
"GM plans to launch the advertising for the Outlook and the Acadia in late January, Jackson said. Production starts in early December. Enclave production starts in March or April, with advertising following about 60 days afterward."
For example, GMC is known as "professional grade" with an upscale clientele, he said. So besides lifestyle TV shows, GM probably will advertise the Acadia on shows such as the Golden Globe Awards, HBO's "The Sopranos" and daytime programs. Jackson said the Saturn brand will do heavy advertising on Megan Mullally's new talk show and other daytime programs.
Go advertising! This is reason enough in my books not to buy the Outlook. I do not want to be targeted as a talk show/daytime soap kind of person!
Thank you carfreak8 for your comment and thought, as I never looked at it from that perspective. "A limo" huh. Hmmmmmmm; thats it, we take the double sized Ford emblem off and replace it with a double size Lincoln emblem! Then Ford Motor Company could now have it's 1st SUL(or CUL) Sports Utility Limo, depending on which designation they prefered to market it under. Never mind that this design's (double sized Focus Wgn)height would be over 110"(9feet+)this would also compete head on with the Hummer Limo! Though I really think the bigger market is its potential ability blow the GM Lambdas off the Map. I think those insiders on Ford should contact the Big Guys at Ford Motor Company, So this brainstorming effort could actually help get Ford back on track finacially!
Thank you carfreak8 for your comment and thought, as I never looked at it from that perspective. "A limo" huh. Hmmmmmmm; thats it, we take the double sized Ford emblem off and replace it with a double size Lincoln emblem! Then Ford Motor Company could now have it's 1st SUL(or CUL) Sports Utility Limo, depending on which designation they prefered to market it under. Never mind that this design's (double sized Focus Wgn)height would be over 110"(9feet+)this would also compete head on with the Hummer Limo! Though I really think the bigger market is its potential ability to blow the GM Lambdas off the Map. I think those insiders on Ford should contact the Big Guys at Ford Motor Company, So this brainstorming effort could actually help get Ford back on track finacially!
you seem to know quite a bit about the Lambdas, so I've got a question for you. Do you know if the Buick Enlcave concept's gigantic wheelwells will carry over to the production version? If so, do you think the 21s would be a possibility? I know Buick offers chrome wheels as an option on most all their vehicles, and with the Escalade now offering 22s maybe 21s aren't such an unrealistic size.
I think Ford has already tried this and it did not work. Remember the Excursion? One of the cons on that one was the high price. Of course, if you put it under Lincoln the price would start at $70,000, no way it would be $35K. I guess the other one that comes to mind would be the Econline Van...not really something that compete with the Lambadas, at least IMHO :-0
What a bumer for the Enclave crowd...next summer instead of this January. So now I'm beginning to wonder if the other 1 or 2 Lambdas are really going to be out late Nov/mid Dec after all? I'd rather them cone out right than early.
BRILLIANT!!! Thank you so much for the input! Not the Econoline one, but the $70,000 price tag for the new SUL/CUL by Ford(oops- Lincoln). You realize that the Excursion could not seat the 10 people this design has penciled in. Wow, what a breakthrough for Ford & on this forum too. Now I positively know this scenario will work for the brass(The Big Guys)at Ford. But, how am I going to afford this 10 seater that gets 26/32mpg at $70k? Hmmmmmm; I GOT IT!! The Ford version for $35K and the Lincoln emblem unit will go for the $70k price tag and everyone will be happy with Ford.
But do we really want this to happen, as what would happen to all the hard work GM put in on the Lambdas. Hmmmmm. Not to worry, I'm sure it would take Ford a year or 2 to come out with the double sized Focus Wagon anyway! I'm not sure I can wait that long, though.
It would make a lot of sense for the Acadia/Outlook to come out soon, in order to beat the CX-9 and the upcoming redesigned Pilot/Highlanders to the punch; being first to market is always desirable. (note: I'm assuming that the redesigned Pilot/Highlander will be bigger than the outgoing models, and thus will somewhat compete with the lambdas).
As for the Enclave, I don't think there's a hurry: I'm not sure who the competition is for this vehicle, but I don't think it's the MDX/Q7/X5, simply because the Enclave can't command that same price range, imo. I think it's going to fall in the narrow market between the Acadia and the MDX, i.e. the near-luxury crossover market, which isn't all that established.
Not sure about the Pilot's redesign, but from what little I've seen of the Highlander...it just really looks like they've gone over the top. Pretty pewtrid looking for my taste and everyone knows I can live with ugly...but will definately give this one a pass unless they do some serious tweeking. Actually I'm giving them a pass anyway as I'm done waiting for next generation machines as there seems to be plenty out this year with GM heading the pack(and I've not driven a GM product since the 70's...a company car).
I am not sure but I think all 3 would offer the largest wheels possible and therefore Enclave would not get something bigger. 20" is very, very competitive.
Outlook/Acadia will be in the dealerships early December and usually GM cadences vehicles 6 months apart in the plants so I would think by May. 2008 model year vehicles can be built starting January 2007.
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...now agrees with the Outlook spec.
Been really into the CX-9, went to the Boston Auto show this weekend hoping to get to check it out, unfort nothing there, BUT what did I run into, yup the Acadia and Outlook. I was able to get a chance to really crawl around the car, try able the seats play with stuff the whole business. I was really impressed, not a huge fan of American cars, I generally do not like GM interiors, but my mind has changed on this vehicle. Best 3rd row seating of all the SUV 3rd row equipped vehicles I sat in. Thought the quality and execution was well done, liked the exterior a lot, great headlights. IMO the Acadia looks better then the Outlook. This one had captains chairs, liked this set-up. Looked big on the outside, but once inside it felt like a smaller car in a good way, not some huge behemoth.
All I got to say is they have a winner, finally.
B.
How was the legroom in the second/third rows? Did you have a chance to sit in the second row captain chair slid ALL the way back?
In addition, how loaded were the ones that you sat in? Did they have NAV? Leather seats? How big was the dual sunroof?
Please enlighten us on these matters and use comparisons to other CUVs that you have been in when doing so. Thanks in advance.
Where did you hear this? Ive heard this on this forum, but nowhere else! I might be in luck.
Though I haven't been on in a while,Ive seen a lot on Freestyle. It sucks!!!!!JK!!!! It's a nice vehichle-just outdated. Had it come in 2001/2 It would have had a chance. I tried the vehicle. Great room, but not enough power or styling for my down payment. Which is almost opposite for pacifica. lacks some third row space and cargo, but great interior. It really works the station wagon look great. Given choice I'd buy Pacfica. Comparing Freestyle to lambdas- though nice to me, freestyle dosn't have much to offer me. Lamdas have 72 more hp, nearly 20 more cu feet of cargo space and more third row room. Not to mention no big console betweensecond row captians (which I like). The freestyle only has a couple inches more second row leg room, and the two are about the same price when loaded comparably. But Lamdas look good. I won't worship Ford- But I won't hate it. But it's time for an upgrade. I openly consider ford full of idiots for not putting third row in edge. It's already on CX-9 platform. Just stretch it to 190 inches-maybe larger wheelbase, and add cargo space too. That would be nice size!
While I appreciate them adding Express Up/Down to the driver's side and Express down to the passenger side, why can they not just put express up/down on both driver and passenger side. Come on! What's so hard about that?
It would be nice for this to happen, but as it is mid November in just one week and we have yet to hear anything from GM, do you really believe this will happen?
I've read on some other forum (how accurate it is I have no idea) but they were related some strike/production problem for delays in getting the Acadia out. There timing was that it would be leaving the factory in December is possible dealer forecourt in December but more probably early January.
And trying not to be beat a dead horse, I would like to point out some inaccuracies on a previous post: on the Freestyle you can get a second row console between the second row captain chairs, and the third row legroom is equal to the lambdas. The Edge is based on the CX-7 platform, not CX-9, and Ford specifically did not put in a 3rd row because they have the Freestyle to cover that. Comments like outdated, style, power, are just subjective, so everyone has a different view on them. The main size difference is in the width of the lanbdas, which really increase the cargo space and makes it possible for 3 across in the third row, and a more comfortable 3 across in the second row, but if you’re putting captain chairs in the second row, then the extra width doesn’t help for seating comfort in rows 1 or 2, but only makes for a wider center console.
If you need 8 passenger seating, big towing, big space inside, and AWD then the lambdas are probably the only non-minivan option. I think most of the other CUVs out there are only 7 passenger. And the Sienna is the only AWD minivan, which has the most space inside of any vehicle mentioned here. In reality, it’s the minivan that’s going to be one of the main competition of these big CUVs like the lambdas. When someone needs a minivan for carrying three rows of passengers and cargo on a regular basis, they’re not going to look at some of the smaller CUVs because they’re too small. They probably already have minivans of some sort, so they’re going to compare their current Dodge Grand Caravan or whatever they have to the lambdas and see how they compare.
You’ll also have those driving the big SUVs and downsizing, so they’re going to look for these big CUVs as an alternative too, but here is seems like it will be GM SUV owners going for GM CUVs, but if the lambdas can take some minivan owners away from Dodge, Toyota, Honda, etc, then GM would get a new customer base, rather than recycling their own customers.
Anyway, something to talk about until the lambdas are released!
WOW you hit the nail on the head with this one...actually, we ARE looking to trade in our Grand Caravan for an Enclave...can't wait until more info(i.e.-pricing) is available
I guess the real advantage of the Lambdas (as you have mentioned) is they provide the space and economy of a minivan without that 'soccer mom/dad' appearance. That's what we are really after.
Cargo behind 3rd row = 26.4 cubes (I thought it was a lot more because the Odyssey is at 38.4 cubes and Sienna is at 46.3 behind the 3rd row, and I didn't realize the GC's cargo area was so small in comparison)
Another thing you'll want to consider is how long-legged your 3rd row occupants will be, as it's 33" of legroom in the lambdas vs 38.0 in the GC and I think it's 38" in the 2nd row of the lambda vs 39" 2nd row legroom in the GC, so even if you adjusted the 2nd row of the lambda forward to help out the 3rd row, you'll get at best 35-36" average in the 2nd and 3rd row for the lambda vs 39-40" in the GC, plus the 6.5 extra cubes of luggage. So regardless of how class-setting the lambda is in terms of interior space for a CUV, it's still a CUV and not a minivan, but then again it really depends on how you're currently fitting in your GC and does the 4" less legroom and less luggage cubes will matter? You'll just have to sit inside and see for sure.
The one I sat in was pretty loaded it was white, it had tan leather, I think DVD system, but don't recall the Nav or dual sunroofs. I looked at the specs but did not analyze, I guess I should have spent more time, but had so many cars to look at and not enough time.
As for peoples comments about the Freestyle having the same amount of room, look at specs all you want the Freestyle 3rd row did not feel as spacious as the Acadia, no question. Perception is reality, I sat in both and it was pretty clear to me the Acadia was much more comfortable. I also beleive that they also made that 3rd row so that my shoulders were not 5 inches above the top like so many others. Of course I did not analyze how this would effect backing up. I also did not think that there was a significant amouunt of room behind the 3rd row, I got the impression they made the 3rd row more comfortable instead of trying to make it only for kids and giving tons of room in the back.
My buddy who was with me who hates American cars + hates SUV's + prefers smaller cars, was impressed also. There were a number of people around the car non-car fanatics and they all seemed pretty excited by it.
B.
In my final comment, let me just say that the guy who was sitting in the 3rd row of the Acadia and it was bigger than the 3rd row of the Freestyle, yes the 3rd row of the Acadia is bigger because it's designed for three people and the Freestyle is designed for 2, plus if you didn't have the 2nd row seats in the furthest back position, you can't really compare the two. But I know by saying this I'm being negative, so let my final post here simply say once again that if someone needs AWD, high towing capability, and room for 8 passengers (or 6 big ones!) than the lamdas sound like a great vehicle; however, if you really need a lot of interior space but don't need AWD, then a minivan might be a better choice, or you're really looking to seat 6, there are smaller CUVs that have the same legroom but less shoulder and hip rooms to compare against...but yes I know in saying this I'm being negative.
Okay, someone bash me, and go back and put your blinders on to other vehicles.
Sorry for the double post, my computer exited out of the tab I was working on for some weird reason.
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I'll start it out with my 07 Cadillac STS has express up/down on all the windows from the drivers door. As a matter of fact I will go you one better, even the rear seat passengers have express up/down on their own window. :P :P
I'll even bet that all Cadillacs have the same feature. Even my 99 did. :P
What if Ford took the Focus Wagon and doubled it's size?
Then you would really have something that would blow the
Acadia out of the water. Just think, it would have over a
140cubic feet of cargo space and that would be great! Never
mind that it would be over 300 inches(25feet)long and 120 inches(10feet)wide. It would only weigh around 5,000lbs and
yet could carry 10 people for around $35,000. Also if Ford took the same hp-weight ratio of the present focus wagon and
employed that same ratio to the new big one, then it would have about 270hp with mpg at 26city and 32hwy. I honestly
believe Ford has dropped the ball and you guys should inform them of the market they are missing. A comfortable 10 seater in a 5000lb vehicle with great mpg at $35,000 is a nobrainer, considering Focus' very pleasant styling!!!
We should try cut each other a little bit of slack.
Karl
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Actually, on the bright side, it may be only 13 or so days since info usually leaks on the web a week or few days earlier than it's supposed to.
Every one whose saying Lamdas are 15 days away, I WANT HARD PROOF. WHERE ARE YOU GUYS GETTING THIS FROM? This is a matter of Outlook or Pacifica (just kidding) Why was the sema show so early this year? usually not until thanksgiving.
over the weekend.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061012/FREE/61011004&Search- ID=73262427534067
"GM plans to launch the advertising for the Outlook and the Acadia in late January, Jackson said. Production starts in early December. Enclave production starts in March or April, with advertising following about 60 days afterward."
For example, GMC is known as "professional grade" with an upscale clientele, he said. So besides lifestyle TV shows, GM probably will advertise the Acadia on shows such as the Golden Globe Awards, HBO's "The Sopranos" and daytime programs. Jackson said the Saturn brand will do heavy advertising on Megan Mullally's new talk show and other daytime programs.
Go advertising! This is reason enough in my books not to buy the Outlook. I do not want to be targeted as a talk show/daytime soap kind of person!
I'll stick with the Acadia
this January. So now I'm beginning to wonder if the other 1 or 2 Lambdas are really going to be out late Nov/mid Dec after all? I'd rather them cone out right than early.
But do we really want this to happen, as what would happen to all the hard work GM put in on the Lambdas. Hmmmmm. Not to worry, I'm sure it would take Ford a year or 2 to come out with the double sized Focus Wagon anyway! I'm not sure I can wait that long, though.
As for the Enclave, I don't think there's a hurry: I'm not sure who the competition is for this vehicle, but I don't think it's the MDX/Q7/X5, simply because the Enclave can't command that same price range, imo. I think it's going to fall in the narrow market between the Acadia and the MDX, i.e. the near-luxury crossover market, which isn't all that established.