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I want (or, past tense, wanted) the Explorer (or one of the others I mentioned) for 4 people, occasionally 5-6, and, when no people, cargo...the Expy seemed to be the perfect size, or maybe Veracruz/Santa Fe, but Expy MPG is horrible...
Nice ride, decent handling (IRS will help), decnt mpg would be nice...
I realize this is silly, but the side-view photos of the Acadia make it look small in the back because there seems to be so "little" space between the back doors and the rear gate...maybe the design is an optical illusion, whereas the Expy with straight lines seems to have the illusion of more space...
I guess what I may really be trying to compare is the space of the Expy behind the second row of seats to the same parameter on the Acadia...
Also, the Expy sits up high so you can see over cars...the image of the Acadia makes it seem, to me, like you are just a little higher than a passenger car, which is like the Pacifica...I want to sit higher than the Pacifica, as high as the Expy...does the Acadia offer that, or does it sit low like the Pacifica???
And, will the tork on the Acadia accelerate it like the V8 does on the Expy???...the HP is almost the same, but I do not have tork figure for acceleration from a stop...
As far as off-road, I consider pulling off the street and onto my paved driveway as "going off road"...:):):)...or, maybe, parking on the shoulder of the road, on gravel, is my idea of "off road abuse"...
Length......201......198.8......193.3......184.1....190.7..... 199.8---190.7-------188
Height......72.8......76.7.......72.8.......67.9.....65.9..... 68.1-----68.9--------70.1
Width.......78.9......78.8.......73.7.......74.4.....78.5....--76.2-----77.6----- ----- 77.5
Ground clearance is about the same as the Explorer (a little more than 2 inches higher than the Pacifica). The Pacifica has the lowest ground clearance of all the models mentioned.
The Acadia is probably best in class right now for room behind the 3rd row at around 19 cu. ft. The CX-9 is second at 17 cu. ft. In both, it is a fairly tall, slim space though.
..........Acadia.....Tahoe.....FreeStyle
Length......201......198.8.....199.8
Height......72.8......76.7.....65.9
Width.......78.9......78.8.....74.40
I don't mind the CVT, it has wonderful smoothness, especially in stop/start city driving that we do. Also it is never in the "wrong" gear like autos can be so it responds pretty instantly to "gear" demand. That said, on the highway however, I would much prefer a quality 6 speed with paddle control - I miss my manual shifting...
Now, I know these GM siblings do not have paddle control (after all why would you want one in a car this size - its not sporty..) but I would still like manual shifting control. For hills and such like it is nice to be able to select a gear and let it sit there with engine braking on long down hills. I do not recall reading about it so do these cars have manual shifting on the auto gate?
EDIT: I can answer my own question, Yes these cars do have the manual mode on the transmission. The +/- buttons are built into the shift knob. Not the most intuitive place for it, but at least they have it.
just go to build your own...year, make, model, ect...
MSRP for a loaded Acadia is over $42K.
WOW.
Main differences would be Acadia/Outlook 25 Hwy MPG vs 20 Hwy MPG Tahoe. Towing will be less on the Acadia/Outlook, cargo might be a little less.
IMHO the Acadia might be a little easier to handle and garage. 7 passenger in a little more managable package, but not as cramped as Commander, Explorer, etc. BUT if you need the extra bulk of a Yukon/Tahoe, get it instead.
Thanks
I'm not sure as to why some people think a Yukon and these are similarly priced. To get the features they offer on the Lambdas, you'd have to get the Denali, which starts at 48K. Load it up and you're looking at another 7K in options bringing you to a grand total of 55K. However, this does have a 380 hp and 417 torque. Then again, you get 13/19 mpg. The Acadia/Outlook seem like a pretty good deal to me, considering that you get the same level of luxury and features with more passenger and cargo room for 13K less. You could opt for a Yukon Denali XL for only 2K more though, but then you're looking at 57K, and 220 inches in length. Yeah, that'll be easy to park.
Similarly, VW dealers give up to $11,000 cash back to sell the remaining Touaregs at the end of the year.
Really doubt it for quite awhile. Hardly any GM vehicles have much cash back today. The trucks you are referring to are not only last years model but the last generation trucks. Who wants to by old stuff? Yo have to give them away. No more big discounts at GM except for cases where needed like the big, old trucks.
would be 14mpg at the 'very' best. And a new vvt or a new 6 speed trans won't have much effect...a mile mpg at most.
Lets not misrepresent these guzzeling beasts or accidentally
send some poor ususpecting novice(who just found the forum) in to a dealership thinking they are going to buy an Outlook and get the 17/25mpg with a 21mpg mixed(50/50) driving. Please, lets get real. I still want a Lambda though....after waiting on ACGs test results/report 1st.
You can load your own option at like below
http://www.bridgeportautogroup.com/build_car.shtml
Now I am really confused. I priced out a Q7 and they START at $40K!!! I added leather and a few other options and I was up to $44K on the base version.
Acura is same story. Starts at $40K and gets up to $50k.
Perhaps I do not understand your language? It also looks like the Lamdas have a bunch more room on the inside and can fit 8 if desired.
In no way, shape, or form is the Acadia hitting the high 7's in 0-60. It will be lucky to hit the mid-8's. 275hp is pretty good, but with only 251 lb. ft. of torque and a 4700+lb. curb weight for FWD, 275hp isn't quite so much any more. Also, to get gas mileage up, this thing is geared as a highway cruiser. I don't see a need for any of these to be fast or anything, just to handle a decent curve with too much lean.
Pricing one SLT with 4SA package and adding to that goes up to around $33.6K invoice. One with the 4SB package, sunroof, power everything, leaving off the expensive wheels and NAV is only a little over $35K invoice. Similar to the Envoy XL. It was around that and at the time had $5000 or $5500 rebate (closer to $31K net with rebates).
Just to add comparison of the Freestyle to the Lamba trio, yes some might say the engine is weak, but to me it has always been adequate for the task in hand (Its accelerates faster than my Audi A4..though not a nice sounding..) but the important thing to consider is the gas consumption as there is lots of talk about that here. Our Freestyle lives mostly in the city so it is definitely at the city end of the EPA numbers. EPA for our AWD car is 19/24. Our trip computer is 18.3MPG (for about 90% city driving) but on the highway when I reset the trip it records around 27mpg. I think that is pretty decent for the size (200.1x68.2x74.9 lxhxw) and weight (4112lbs) of the car.
So the fact that they estimate 17/24 for the Acadia sounds pretty good to me as the car is heavier (4722lbs), larger (201.1x72.8x78.9 lxhxw) and has a larger engine (3.6l). The car looks fairly aerodynamic so I seen no reason to question the 24mpg on the highway. I would not bet money that it would get 17 in the city. We are easy on the driving of our Freestyle but we do not see the EPA 19 figure, so I would guess that real world city for the Acadia would be about 16mpg.
We'll know for sure in about a month when they start to hit the dealer lots...
I would. This is such a real world number. consider I have friends that get 16 on Envoy XL in the City. Freestyle is not crossover to me. 5 in. ground clearance. Cars have better. I do think lamdas definitely could swing high sevens in 0-60 (especially if Enclave get's engine upgrade). Odessey get's in the eights with 244 hp (though weighs 200-300 less. Same for Pilot.
Fuel economy numbers for the Outlook were also announced, with front-wheel-drive models rated at 18 mpg city/26 mpg highway by the EPA, and all-wheel-drive models rated at 17 mpg city/24 mpg highway.
Captains chairs more comfortable and allow easy access to rear seats.
SO?
THinking about pricing of honda Pilot. Now I know saturn really messed up! Fully loaded honda pilot 4x4 comes in at 35- and that's with every thing. Now ofcourse you have to consider what you get with saturn, but, I might be willing to sacrifice alittle third row space and 30 cubes for 7 grand. Then again, when you spend about a grand more for saturn, you don't quite get everything, but comparably equipped. And No one get's a fully loaded Pilot. They step up a go Acura. To this day I've never seen a Pilot with Navigtion on the street.
(which I don't require)/nor fog lights? And to get those,
do we have to aquire them in a package that makes us purchase other things that we don't want or need.
well). Half the time I see one go by, I forget its an SUV and almost mistake it for a mini van...and remind myself,
oh yes thats the Pilot(an SUV). And seating for 7 or 8
Adults makes alot more sense than the Pilot's 5 adult seater + only seating for 3 toddlers in the back row.
I really don't see you buying 'Ugly'. Now, I can buy Ugly if I have no other real choice. And now I have Ugly and sick of Ugly and looking to get un-Ugly because I've been Ugly for 10 years now and would not spend Pilot kind of $ for Ugly again. So, continue to look before you leap...Good Luck!
Once you add the options that are already available on the GMC. You end up with a $37.5K Pilot and a $39.3K Acadia (It actually subtracts $500 for 8 passenger seating). For all that extra room, it's not too bad, and you actually get an attractive vehicle too. On top of that, the Saturn is a bit cheaper. A CX-9 with those options plus HID headlights, 20" wheels, and premium Bose stereo is $39.4k (although I am a little disappointed w/ 16/22mpg listed for the AWD on KBB).
Does that include the $700+ for destination?
I am not buying the vehicle until the next model year but I was considering getting a Denali version but thats now not a option for me
Base MSRP - 3.6L DOHC 6-cylinder / 6-speed automatic front wheel drive $27,990 $30,290
Base MSRP - 3.6L DOHC 6-cylinder / 6-speed automatic all wheel drive $29,990 $32,290
oPtion Packages
Preferred: Six-way power driver ’s seat and roof rails $505 std
Convenience (XE): remote vehicle st art, 115-volt outlet and heated windshield washer fluid $450 —
Convenience (XR): rear parking assist, power lift-gate, remote vehicle st art, 115-volt outlet and
heated windshield washer fluid — $1045
Advanced Audio: six disc, in-dash CD/MP3 player with 10 speakers, plus subwoofer and rear seat
audio controls (XE includes dual zone auto HVAC: Std on XR models ) $880 $805
Premium Trim: leather appointed first and second row seat heated front seats — $1,275
Enhanced Convenience: driver ’s seat memor y, power folding outside rear view mirror with memor y,
four- way power passenger seat with power lumbar adjustment, driver express-up, passenger express-down
power windows (requires Convenience and Premium Trim packages) — $690
Touring: 19-inch polished aluminum wheels, P255/60/R19 touring tires, chrome exhaust tips — $895
Trailering: Heavy dut y engine cooling system, 4500-pound trailer capacit y, trailer hitch and
harness hook-up $425 $425
outlook
oPtion equiPment
Power sunroof with rear glass and power shade $1,300 $1,300
DVD entert ainment system (requires Advanced Audio Package) $1,295 $1,295
XM Satellite Radio (includes three months of ser vice) $199 $199
Navigation system (requires Advanced Audio Package) — $2,145
Second row capt ain’s chairs with Smart Slide (requires Premium Trim Package) — $495
High intensit y discharge headlamps — $500
Engine block heater $50 $50
std = st andard — = not available
Premium Paint
Red Jewel Tint Coat $395 $395
White Diamond Tri-coat — $745
1. All prices are Manufacturer ’s Suggested Retail Prices and do not include taxes, title, license, retailer fees or optional equipment. Destination freight charges included. Each retail facility is responsible for setting its own selling price.
2. Available in the 48 contiguous United States. Required $12.95 monthly subscription sold separately. All fees and programming subject to change. Subscription subject to customer agreement. For more information, visit gm.xmradio.com.
roof rails on a base unit or fog lights, as it was mentioned that these 2 items are not included on the base Acadia...and presume same for the Outlook?
A vehicle being unibody does not necessarily take away from the vehicle's ability to tow. I'm sure the body could handle much more stress than 4500lbs, but the suspension and the transmission are bound to be the weak points. It's geared for hauling people, not a big trailer.