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roof rails on a base unit or fog lights, as it was mentioned that these 2 items are not included on the base Acadia
That's suprising! They should have made fog lights standard, to simplify package.
PS. The Pilot is ugly and small! Even the Veracuz (the smallest of the new crossovers) offers better styling and more utility. Maybe the new model Pilot coming out in a while will be a better comparison.
The pricing is still a bit of a shock for me since I expected a fully loaded Acadia to go for $7,000 less then what its being sold for.
The mid-40s is getting pretty expensive for the Acadia/Outlook, but then again that's fully optioned, which I assume not many people will get (i.e. mid 30's will be the sweet spot for most people, which isn't a bad price at all). At least GM is offering every option in the book, which is good for people who want all that.
I was pricing the Mazda CX-9, and almost fully loaded it comes to $40k (that includes AWD, NAV, bluetooth, rear seat dvd, not sure about moonroof). The CX-9 is very close in size to the Lambdas, hence the comparison. If the Enclave reaches high 40s and gets into the 50's with similar options that I want, that'll be a mistake on GM's part: you're now getting into MDX, Q7, and X5 territory, which are already well-established "luxury" brands. Buick still has the "this is your dad's car" stigma (my dad own a Buick, by the way ;-) ) , so not sure people who can affort $50k will want it if they can slip into an Acura, etc.
less is more. If you're trying to make a fashion statement, then the Enclave, of the 3, is probably the direction to go. If one is looking for a clean crisp functional style that's several $1,000s less, then the Outlook/Acadia may be the wise way to go in this mkt. Will give the Outlook the nod in this area, of appearance, as it seem to have a less Tahoe/Yukon look from the front. However, the new Acadia's bumper/loading(more paint-scratch resistant)design seems definatly more desirable for those who often/regularly load and unload medium/heavy camping type items via liftgate.
So, torn between the latter two...If going with GM Lambdas.
I lied about it being the only problem. What's up with having to reach across the shifter to the cupholders? I know this is picky, but I wouldn't want to spill Coke all over the center console.
Any indications that the ride in any of these new crossovers will be comparable to a minivan? I think the Pilot rides fine, but you know the saying, "If mama aint happy, aint nobody happy."
A fully loaded Enclave will probably not hit 55K, since a fully loaded 2007 MDX costs 48K. I saw a new MDX over the weekend, didn't drive it, but it looked MUCH MORE LUXURIOUS then the previous generation, which I always thought looked rather pathetic. The interior with the RL styling and extremely bucketed seats for first and second row are huge improvements. The grille is also very futuristic and cool looking. Great vehicle, but still a little small... to bad they don't offer and MDX-L with about ten inches of additional legroom distributed to the three rows. Then that would be a no brainer for me. But they don't, so the Enclave seems like the way to go for me, especially since it will have sliding second row seats, and interior exterior styling is second to nobody.
Does anyone know how close the Enclave interior will come to that of the concept? I have only seen pics of the front seats and dash, both of which are identical to the concept. The features I'm wondering about are: full length center console- I doubt it, but would be nice; HUGE glass roof- probably will be like other two, with sunroof in front and skylight in back; DVD entertainment- overhead power sliding with one screen per seat and third row flip up screen, not going to make it, probably one overhead in second row; third row leather bucketed seats- the R-Class has them, so maybe, but most likely not.
If anyone could provide further detail as to how closely the production Enclave interior south of the front row seats will compare to the concept I would greatly appreciate it.
Again, you can have a whole lot of something, and that is not interior spacioiusness or fuel economy or passenger carrying capability. But you can go off roading in the Escalade!!
This is the way I like it. Mazda CX-9 The shifter is higher so unless I have some giant monstrocity of a movie theater Coke, I'll be able to put the vehicle in gear without spilling my Coke, and I don't have to worry about hitting anything in the way to my mouth.
The more I learn about any of these vehicles, the more I am intrigued about the Hyundai Veracruz. The Acadia and Outlook are styled too much like your average SUV and will most likely have a driving dynamic I'm not going to like. The CX-9's gas mileage is a little poorer than I'd like. All of them are a little more expensive than I'd like. I'm hoping Hyundai can come in with a happy medium between all these wishes. The styling works for me, and the size is fairly decent. If it can come in priced well, and offer all the options of the competitors, which it does in Korea, it should be a winner.
Envoy XL does give 3rd row seating for 2 adults. I have ridden in the 3rd row for a couple of 2 hour trips. Confortable and I an 6'1" 200 lbs. I don't know that I would want to do an 8-10 hour trip, but 2 was fine.
I've been kind of eyeing the Pilot lately. Not bad, not great looks. I've almost decided that the Pilot could have been the next generation Trooper. Maybe change the grill to the Isuzu signature grill and hang the spare off the rear door. :-)
lamdas will handle and ride better than the Envoy.
There is no way the Enclave is going to hit $55k. I would say realistically the Enclave will start around $34k and go up to $46-$47K fully loaded. I dont think it's going to have a lot of features not found on the other two, I just think it will have fewer options and a nicer interior. Keep in mind a loaded Enclave will still be cheaper than a loaded Tahoe.
That's one feature that I just don't understand. People can't shut the lift gate anymore? I can see it on very tall vehicles MAYBE, but on a Pilot? What's the point? Next thing you know people will be complaining that they have to grab onto it to open it rather than using a remote like a TV.
But yes I agree, it seems like overkill.
Right on.
That's enough off topic stuff, right? Let's get back to the main topic.
Also, has anyone's dealer confirmed a date of when the Acadia or Outlook will be available for purchase or test drive? Hopefully sometime sooner than next January.
That'd be cool. It would probably take 75% of the people off of the road. I could support that.
What I don't understand with the power lift gate is how people open them up if they have their hands full? Won't they have to put down some of their bags to free up a hand so that they can reach into their pockets and get the key?
I think a power liftgate is just like an automatic locking system in a car: you don't really need it, but it does make your life easier! So overall it can be a useful feature.
WRONG...I NEED my key fob for the doors :P
GM Lambdas. Even the Freestyle has 30 cu ft less cargo area
and looks like a stationwagon...though it does get better mpg...If opting for Freestyle's cargo space, I'd go with a Veracruz in a heartbeat.
Chevrolet and GMC alone has sold over 450,000 Trailblazers/Tahoes/Suburbans/Envoys/etc. this year already even with gas at $3 per gallon. There is a huge market for people and stuff haulers.
I come here because I am very interested in this vehicle, will be in the market for something like it and need data.
Is there a moderator? Host? Should someone screen posts for appropriateness?
In other words, let's stick to the subject
Cargo volume numbers look very strange if that is indeed the case:
Enclave Freestyle
Cargo Volume to Seat 1 117.0 86.1
Cargo Volume to Seat 2 68.9 47.4
Cargo Volume to Seat 3 19.7 20.7
And if the 36.9" is adjustable you have to look at the impacts. If you move it back a few inches to have it equal the Freestyle's 40.2" in the second row, then you've reduced the Acadia's third row leg-space, which starts at 33" The Freestyle and the Acadia both have 33" of legroom in the 3rd row.