any thing on what it will cost to get roof rails on a base unit or fog lights, as it was mentioned that these 2 items are not included on the base Acadia
That's suprising! They should have made fog lights standard, to simplify package.
I dont see the big deal with the pricing. It is competitive with the Pilot and others in the class and the GM SUVs offer more power and more space. On top of that they look better inside and out.
More space and more power, but less power to weight. I still think the CX-9 and Veracruz look better and more luxurious on the interior and exterior myself, but I can't deny that for pure utility the Lamda's are on or near the top of the food chain.
PS. The Pilot is ugly and small! Even the Veracuz (the smallest of the new crossovers) offers better styling and more utility. Maybe the new model Pilot coming out in a while will be a better comparison.
The Enclave looks great, but if the price for a fully loaded Acadia nearly pushes $45,000 then I can just imagine how much the fully loaded Enclave will cost. A good estimate will be around $55,000.
The pricing is still a bit of a shock for me since I expected a fully loaded Acadia to go for $7,000 less then what its being sold for.
The Enclave is pretty sweet, but it's pushing the price envelope a little farther into the luxury range, not that any of them are very cheap. Out of the three, it's the only one my wife likes. She doesn't really like traditional SUV styling that the Outlook and Acadia have.
Same thing with my wife...she couldn't care less about the "trucky-looking" Acadia and Outlook, in her words. She likes the Enclave much better.
The mid-40s is getting pretty expensive for the Acadia/Outlook, but then again that's fully optioned, which I assume not many people will get (i.e. mid 30's will be the sweet spot for most people, which isn't a bad price at all). At least GM is offering every option in the book, which is good for people who want all that.
I was pricing the Mazda CX-9, and almost fully loaded it comes to $40k (that includes AWD, NAV, bluetooth, rear seat dvd, not sure about moonroof). The CX-9 is very close in size to the Lambdas, hence the comparison. If the Enclave reaches high 40s and gets into the 50's with similar options that I want, that'll be a mistake on GM's part: you're now getting into MDX, Q7, and X5 territory, which are already well-established "luxury" brands. Buick still has the "this is your dad's car" stigma (my dad own a Buick, by the way ;-) ) , so not sure people who can affort $50k will want it if they can slip into an Acura, etc.
Unfortunately, you can only get the moonroof or the entertainment system in the CX-9, not both. It must be something to do with the size of the moonroof. Supposedly all the same options will be available on the Veracruz, but it is the smallest of all of these.
Agreed, styling is in the eye of the beholder... for some, less is more. If you're trying to make a fashion statement, then the Enclave, of the 3, is probably the direction to go. If one is looking for a clean crisp functional style that's several $1,000s less, then the Outlook/Acadia may be the wise way to go in this mkt. Will give the Outlook the nod in this area, of appearance, as it seem to have a less Tahoe/Yukon look from the front. However, the new Acadia's bumper/loading(more paint-scratch resistant)design seems definatly more desirable for those who often/regularly load and unload medium/heavy camping type items via liftgate. So, torn between the latter two...If going with GM Lambdas.
The only "problem" I really find with the Outlook and Acadia's styling is the plastic bottom. It's not the fact that it is there that bothers me (Most manufacturers do this). It is the fact that on both both vehicles, GM failed to incorporate it into the design of the vehicle. The dash in either model seems to offer nothing new design-wise either. The interior is nice but just uninspired. The interior and exterior design is a little tired. I'd expect more from a vehicle you can push that much over $40k.
I lied about it being the only problem. What's up with having to reach across the shifter to the cupholders? I know this is picky, but I wouldn't want to spill Coke all over the center console.
We have an 05 Pilot and I love it, but it comes to the end of lease in apr07. I want another crossover, but wifey thinks the ride is too harsh. We already have a minivan and we may end up with TWO minivans, but I would like to avoid it. Any indications that the ride in any of these new crossovers will be comparable to a minivan? I think the Pilot rides fine, but you know the saying, "If mama aint happy, aint nobody happy."
Wait... you're saying that you would rather have to reach over a big coke to get to the shifter then reach over a small shifter to get to the Coke? The way that it's set up seems better than what you want to me. But once again, it's a matter of opinion.
A fully loaded Enclave will probably not hit 55K, since a fully loaded 2007 MDX costs 48K. I saw a new MDX over the weekend, didn't drive it, but it looked MUCH MORE LUXURIOUS then the previous generation, which I always thought looked rather pathetic. The interior with the RL styling and extremely bucketed seats for first and second row are huge improvements. The grille is also very futuristic and cool looking. Great vehicle, but still a little small... to bad they don't offer and MDX-L with about ten inches of additional legroom distributed to the three rows. Then that would be a no brainer for me. But they don't, so the Enclave seems like the way to go for me, especially since it will have sliding second row seats, and interior exterior styling is second to nobody.
Does anyone know how close the Enclave interior will come to that of the concept? I have only seen pics of the front seats and dash, both of which are identical to the concept. The features I'm wondering about are: full length center console- I doubt it, but would be nice; HUGE glass roof- probably will be like other two, with sunroof in front and skylight in back; DVD entertainment- overhead power sliding with one screen per seat and third row flip up screen, not going to make it, probably one overhead in second row; third row leather bucketed seats- the R-Class has them, so maybe, but most likely not.
If anyone could provide further detail as to how closely the production Enclave interior south of the front row seats will compare to the concept I would greatly appreciate it.
I know from reading the title you probably think I'm a huge Pilot advocate. I'm not, but hey it's not that bad. It's not really that ugly. It's just plain. If you want it all- interior space, power, and comfort, thisis the best package you can get- for now. Just know I I won't be driving one. Looked at Cx-9 on net today. very nice! It just gives me too much minivan styling. Put some sliding doors on it a nd Mazda's got a decent van (for once). I don't truley think GM is dumb enough to price Enclave north of 50 large. They know what people will pay (that they will pay 40 for a loaded outlook). They know they couldn't get 50 for an escalade. R350 can be had well packaged for less. And it should handle just as well too. If true that Lambdas have 275 horse power, then they should be as quick as other new competitors, like vera cruz (I hate the name. should have stuck with Mesa)and CX-9. That Outlook is looking really good. Saw new pictures. Called dealer who said release dates in december. I hope earlier!!! The wife says she likes Envoy XL. i said no way, but don't know how much loger I can hold her off.
You can by a Cadillac Escalade for that money and have a whole lot more of a SUV.
Again, you can have a whole lot of something, and that is not interior spacioiusness or fuel economy or passenger carrying capability. But you can go off roading in the Escalade!!
Have not really investigated the interior that much, except for the cargo bay area which is a priority for me. If I can get a good base price/mpg/reasonable appearance/with quality cargo/and a non-trucky ride...then I'm good to go!
"Wait... you're saying that you would rather have to reach over a big coke to get to the shifter then reach over a small shifter to get to the Coke? The way that it's set up seems better than what you want to me. But once again, it's a matter of opinion."
This is the way I like it. Mazda CX-9 The shifter is higher so unless I have some giant monstrocity of a movie theater Coke, I'll be able to put the vehicle in gear without spilling my Coke, and I don't have to worry about hitting anything in the way to my mouth.
The more I learn about any of these vehicles, the more I am intrigued about the Hyundai Veracruz. The Acadia and Outlook are styled too much like your average SUV and will most likely have a driving dynamic I'm not going to like. The CX-9's gas mileage is a little poorer than I'd like. All of them are a little more expensive than I'd like. I'm hoping Hyundai can come in with a happy medium between all these wishes. The styling works for me, and the size is fairly decent. If it can come in priced well, and offer all the options of the competitors, which it does in Korea, it should be a winner.
If you use the rear cupholder of the two, it does not look as if you will get close to the shifter. I have a 2wd Trooper and it has a cupholder in about the same place as the front one I see in the pictures. Not a problem. Of course, I yet to see one in person.. So I'm making some assumptions based on what I can see in pictures, might change my mind once I see a real Lambada :-)
My wife drives an '04 Envoy XL and really likes it. It has a great ride, real car like. I drive a '00 Trooper and it rides okay, but the Envoy is much smoother. It is truck based and rides great, so I expect the Acadia/Outlook to have a great ride as well. Only thing about the Envoy XL is that 2006 is the last year. They are dropping it, upside is you can probably get a great deal on one closeout. Bad news is that value of a discontinued model might not hold up very well. I'm assuming the Lambada is replacing the Envoy XL as the 7 passenger platform (well, the one that is a little lower/smaller than the Yukon/Suburban). I looking down the road to possibly an Acadia or Outlook to replace either the Envoy XL, Trooper or maybe both.
Envoy XL does give 3rd row seating for 2 adults. I have ridden in the 3rd row for a couple of 2 hour trips. Confortable and I an 6'1" 200 lbs. I don't know that I would want to do an 8-10 hour trip, but 2 was fine.
I've been kind of eyeing the Pilot lately. Not bad, not great looks. I've almost decided that the Pilot could have been the next generation Trooper. Maybe change the grill to the Isuzu signature grill and hang the spare off the rear door. :-)
The XL is gone (I bought the last one off the line) but the value should not drop because it is discontinued. They still produce the Envoy which will keep it up.
lamdas will handle and ride better than the Envoy.
I can diss the pilot all I want. Interior space... NO! Power... NO! Comfort... have you sat in those seats? And looks are debatable due to different peoples' tastes, but I think it, along with the Ridgeline and the Element, are the three ugliest cars in the automotive industry. I actually think that Honda tries to make them as ugly as possible so that people will be more likely to upgrade to Acura, therefore giving the company more profit. The only reason I can think of for liking a pilot is the price. Besides, the reason a lot of people are making fun of it on this forum is because we are looking at the Lambdas, which make the Pilot look extremely outdated.
I am no Pilot fan. It's functional but thats about all I can say about it. The styling is bricklike, it's now underpowered compared to the competition, it only has 16" wheels and it has no room behind the third row. It was designed to beat the Highlander and it does that, but it's behind the times now. I find it to be one of the worst proportioned SUVs on the road.
There is no way the Enclave is going to hit $55k. I would say realistically the Enclave will start around $34k and go up to $46-$47K fully loaded. I dont think it's going to have a lot of features not found on the other two, I just think it will have fewer options and a nicer interior. Keep in mind a loaded Enclave will still be cheaper than a loaded Tahoe.
Well if it makes you feel better I would pick the Pilot of the Pacifica. It's just that the third row is so small. The Pilot really needs to be redesigned. It doesn't even have a power lift gate.
That's one feature that I just don't understand. People can't shut the lift gate anymore? I can see it on very tall vehicles MAYBE, but on a Pilot? What's the point? Next thing you know people will be complaining that they have to grab onto it to open it rather than using a remote like a TV.
Maybe pretty soon people will be complaining they have to parallel park because the new Lexus can parallel park for you without your hands being on the steering wheel. LOL
I think the power liftgate was created for the minivan croud, for those with a baby in one arm and a bag of groceries in the other. It's a cool option, but I say, "Just get a cart!"
I think that may actually be a better feature. People can't seem to parallel park but they should be able to grab onto a handle to lift a hatch. At least that feature is helping them do something they can't.
If you can't parallel park, you need to go back to driver's ed. I can parallel park my wife's Intrepid, which is 203" long. The LS460, which parallel parks itself, is 198" long. Maybe they just need to add that feature to an Expidition EL or Suburban. Most everything else shouldn't be that hard for everyone.
The parallel park feature is an option that is aimed at people getting the L, which is over 202 inches in length. It can also park in a standard non parallel spot. I agree that this feature would be more useful on a Yukon XL or Suburban though. 220 inches is nice on the inside, but terrible when it comes to finding that parking spot!
I don't even think 202" is long enough to need that, especially in a car. I can understand it in larger SUVs where there are larger blind spots. This would be an addition I could see on an Escalade or something.
Didn't expect my last post to get so many responses, but along those lines ....So then maybe you would agree with this - since there are a lot of crappy drivers on the roads who can't seem to drive as good as they should be required to drive, don't use their turn signals, hold on to their cell phones and talk while driving in states where hands free calling is the law, car manufacturers should start incorporating some features from the "Night Rider" car- a GM car - like autodrive - just tell the car where you want to go and the car takes you there and is the best auto pilot one could have. The driver wouldn't have to steer because the car knows exactly how to get to your destination safely and knows how to use turn signals. This feature could be an option (but should be required for crappy drivers that caused accidents)and maybe the additional cost to the consumer would be worth it because you would get a substantial discount on your insurance.
That's enough off topic stuff, right? Let's get back to the main topic.
Less than four weeks until the production Enclaved is unveiled. Pics will most likely leak onto the web about a week in advance though, so expect to know what the production Enclave will look like, inside and out, sometime within the next three weeks. I can't wait!
Also, has anyone's dealer confirmed a date of when the Acadia or Outlook will be available for purchase or test drive? Hopefully sometime sooner than next January.
Ooooh! Anger management? I think you have to take these comments with a grain of salt...sarcasm can be rampant here sometimes!
What I don't understand with the power lift gate is how people open them up if they have their hands full? Won't they have to put down some of their bags to free up a hand so that they can reach into their pockets and get the key?
I think a power liftgate is just like an automatic locking system in a car: you don't really need it, but it does make your life easier! So overall it can be a useful feature.
Neither freestyle nor edge are the real competition to the GM Lambdas. Even the Freestyle has 30 cu ft less cargo area and looks like a stationwagon...though it does get better mpg...If opting for Freestyle's cargo space, I'd go with a Veracruz in a heartbeat.
The real competition to the Lamdas are the mid and full size SUV's which have a huge market out there. If they can convince the soccer mom/dad (I am one) that this vehicle can do everything they want and more AND is cool to drive then they will sell out their plant all year long.
Chevrolet and GMC alone has sold over 450,000 Trailblazers/Tahoes/Suburbans/Envoys/etc. this year already even with gas at $3 per gallon. There is a huge market for people and stuff haulers.
I said that the Freestyle would be the competition to the Acadia (Outlook/Enclave) not Lambdas. And even though the Acadia is a couple inches longer than the Freestyle, the Freestyle has more 2nd row legroom (36.9" vs 40.2") and about the same cargo space behind the 3rd row.
Acadia/Outlook/Enclave are GM vehicles built on the Lambda platform and at this time are the only vehicles built on this platform. Expect to see minivans built off this platform though.
I don't need it, but I want it. I wouldn't even consider a car that didn't come with these features. Even my 12 year old car has power locks and key fobs. If you want the worlds simplest car thats fine but don't criticize me for wanting a car that makes my life easier.
People, People, People-- I come here because I am very interested in this vehicle, will be in the market for something like it and need data. Is there a moderator? Host? Should someone screen posts for appropriateness? In other words, let's stick to the subject
Not sure if this is totally accurate. Acadia has adustable second row seat. Is the 36.9" the minimum, maximum, half-way or what? I could not find the answer where I was looking.
Cargo volume numbers look very strange if that is indeed the case:
Enclave Freestyle Cargo Volume to Seat 1 117.0 86.1 Cargo Volume to Seat 2 68.9 47.4 Cargo Volume to Seat 3 19.7 20.7
That's probably correct because the Acadia is about 3" wider, and 2-4" taller than the Freestyle, so when you start folding the second and third row of seats, you start getting a lot more cargo room than strictly behind the third row.
And if the 36.9" is adjustable you have to look at the impacts. If you move it back a few inches to have it equal the Freestyle's 40.2" in the second row, then you've reduced the Acadia's third row leg-space, which starts at 33" The Freestyle and the Acadia both have 33" of legroom in the 3rd row.
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roof rails on a base unit or fog lights, as it was mentioned that these 2 items are not included on the base Acadia
That's suprising! They should have made fog lights standard, to simplify package.
PS. The Pilot is ugly and small! Even the Veracuz (the smallest of the new crossovers) offers better styling and more utility. Maybe the new model Pilot coming out in a while will be a better comparison.
The pricing is still a bit of a shock for me since I expected a fully loaded Acadia to go for $7,000 less then what its being sold for.
The mid-40s is getting pretty expensive for the Acadia/Outlook, but then again that's fully optioned, which I assume not many people will get (i.e. mid 30's will be the sweet spot for most people, which isn't a bad price at all). At least GM is offering every option in the book, which is good for people who want all that.
I was pricing the Mazda CX-9, and almost fully loaded it comes to $40k (that includes AWD, NAV, bluetooth, rear seat dvd, not sure about moonroof). The CX-9 is very close in size to the Lambdas, hence the comparison. If the Enclave reaches high 40s and gets into the 50's with similar options that I want, that'll be a mistake on GM's part: you're now getting into MDX, Q7, and X5 territory, which are already well-established "luxury" brands. Buick still has the "this is your dad's car" stigma (my dad own a Buick, by the way ;-) ) , so not sure people who can affort $50k will want it if they can slip into an Acura, etc.
less is more. If you're trying to make a fashion statement, then the Enclave, of the 3, is probably the direction to go. If one is looking for a clean crisp functional style that's several $1,000s less, then the Outlook/Acadia may be the wise way to go in this mkt. Will give the Outlook the nod in this area, of appearance, as it seem to have a less Tahoe/Yukon look from the front. However, the new Acadia's bumper/loading(more paint-scratch resistant)design seems definatly more desirable for those who often/regularly load and unload medium/heavy camping type items via liftgate.
So, torn between the latter two...If going with GM Lambdas.
I lied about it being the only problem. What's up with having to reach across the shifter to the cupholders? I know this is picky, but I wouldn't want to spill Coke all over the center console.
Any indications that the ride in any of these new crossovers will be comparable to a minivan? I think the Pilot rides fine, but you know the saying, "If mama aint happy, aint nobody happy."
A fully loaded Enclave will probably not hit 55K, since a fully loaded 2007 MDX costs 48K. I saw a new MDX over the weekend, didn't drive it, but it looked MUCH MORE LUXURIOUS then the previous generation, which I always thought looked rather pathetic. The interior with the RL styling and extremely bucketed seats for first and second row are huge improvements. The grille is also very futuristic and cool looking. Great vehicle, but still a little small... to bad they don't offer and MDX-L with about ten inches of additional legroom distributed to the three rows. Then that would be a no brainer for me. But they don't, so the Enclave seems like the way to go for me, especially since it will have sliding second row seats, and interior exterior styling is second to nobody.
Does anyone know how close the Enclave interior will come to that of the concept? I have only seen pics of the front seats and dash, both of which are identical to the concept. The features I'm wondering about are: full length center console- I doubt it, but would be nice; HUGE glass roof- probably will be like other two, with sunroof in front and skylight in back; DVD entertainment- overhead power sliding with one screen per seat and third row flip up screen, not going to make it, probably one overhead in second row; third row leather bucketed seats- the R-Class has them, so maybe, but most likely not.
If anyone could provide further detail as to how closely the production Enclave interior south of the front row seats will compare to the concept I would greatly appreciate it.
Again, you can have a whole lot of something, and that is not interior spacioiusness or fuel economy or passenger carrying capability. But you can go off roading in the Escalade!!
This is the way I like it. Mazda CX-9 The shifter is higher so unless I have some giant monstrocity of a movie theater Coke, I'll be able to put the vehicle in gear without spilling my Coke, and I don't have to worry about hitting anything in the way to my mouth.
The more I learn about any of these vehicles, the more I am intrigued about the Hyundai Veracruz. The Acadia and Outlook are styled too much like your average SUV and will most likely have a driving dynamic I'm not going to like. The CX-9's gas mileage is a little poorer than I'd like. All of them are a little more expensive than I'd like. I'm hoping Hyundai can come in with a happy medium between all these wishes. The styling works for me, and the size is fairly decent. If it can come in priced well, and offer all the options of the competitors, which it does in Korea, it should be a winner.
Envoy XL does give 3rd row seating for 2 adults. I have ridden in the 3rd row for a couple of 2 hour trips. Confortable and I an 6'1" 200 lbs. I don't know that I would want to do an 8-10 hour trip, but 2 was fine.
I've been kind of eyeing the Pilot lately. Not bad, not great looks. I've almost decided that the Pilot could have been the next generation Trooper. Maybe change the grill to the Isuzu signature grill and hang the spare off the rear door. :-)
lamdas will handle and ride better than the Envoy.
There is no way the Enclave is going to hit $55k. I would say realistically the Enclave will start around $34k and go up to $46-$47K fully loaded. I dont think it's going to have a lot of features not found on the other two, I just think it will have fewer options and a nicer interior. Keep in mind a loaded Enclave will still be cheaper than a loaded Tahoe.
That's one feature that I just don't understand. People can't shut the lift gate anymore? I can see it on very tall vehicles MAYBE, but on a Pilot? What's the point? Next thing you know people will be complaining that they have to grab onto it to open it rather than using a remote like a TV.
But yes I agree, it seems like overkill.
Right on.
That's enough off topic stuff, right? Let's get back to the main topic.
Also, has anyone's dealer confirmed a date of when the Acadia or Outlook will be available for purchase or test drive? Hopefully sometime sooner than next January.
That'd be cool. It would probably take 75% of the people off of the road. I could support that.
What I don't understand with the power lift gate is how people open them up if they have their hands full? Won't they have to put down some of their bags to free up a hand so that they can reach into their pockets and get the key?
I think a power liftgate is just like an automatic locking system in a car: you don't really need it, but it does make your life easier! So overall it can be a useful feature.
WRONG...I NEED my key fob for the doors :P
GM Lambdas. Even the Freestyle has 30 cu ft less cargo area
and looks like a stationwagon...though it does get better mpg...If opting for Freestyle's cargo space, I'd go with a Veracruz in a heartbeat.
Chevrolet and GMC alone has sold over 450,000 Trailblazers/Tahoes/Suburbans/Envoys/etc. this year already even with gas at $3 per gallon. There is a huge market for people and stuff haulers.
I come here because I am very interested in this vehicle, will be in the market for something like it and need data.
Is there a moderator? Host? Should someone screen posts for appropriateness?
In other words, let's stick to the subject
Cargo volume numbers look very strange if that is indeed the case:
Enclave Freestyle
Cargo Volume to Seat 1 117.0 86.1
Cargo Volume to Seat 2 68.9 47.4
Cargo Volume to Seat 3 19.7 20.7
And if the 36.9" is adjustable you have to look at the impacts. If you move it back a few inches to have it equal the Freestyle's 40.2" in the second row, then you've reduced the Acadia's third row leg-space, which starts at 33" The Freestyle and the Acadia both have 33" of legroom in the 3rd row.