The extended versions of the Envoy carried 7 people and had similar carrying capacity as the Acadia and therefore could be used for most of the same functions. That is why most buy a vehicle like the Envoy and Acadia.
The big differences are the Envoy can pull more and can go of road with true truck capabilities. The Acadia cannot do these but has other advantages like MPG, drivability (r & H) and is a bit lower.
These attributes could and are attractive to different kinds of buyers. Issue is that with gas at a possible $3 and up (well under $2 today but in the past and future) the possible buyers for the Envoy are going to get smaller and smaller. And most likely the vehicle will not be updated in the future and allowed to fade out of existence with time.
I visisted a Saturn dealer in Ohio this weekend and he was quoting payments in the $490 to $550 range for a near top of the line model and a $450 per month or so for a bare bones base model. This is a Lease with the GM employee discount and 2k down. I understand that this truck has only been out a few weeks, maybe I am nieve or something but I cant see myself shelling out that kind of money on a LEASE for a Saturn. I could get the Lexus RX or even a Tahoe (Toledo/Detroit area) cheaper than that with the same amount of cash down. The gas mileage is not THAT much better with these crossovers... Thank God our lease is not up until May. I am sure the lease rates will come down by then!
Hum. Why would anyone lease with at deal like this. I know rates are a couple of points higher than May 2004, but about $32K financed for 63 months was less than $570 month.
For example I just checked and financing $30K for 60 months at 6.25% would be $583 a month.
I got my wife's GSM supplier number the other day and tried looking at Acadia and Envoy pricing. It must have changed since 2004. The prices I was seeing were about $600 over invoice. Most basic Envoy without any extra option was in the mid 23K range. Yesterday's paper showed the most basic Envoy with a price of $22.5K. So, even if I'm getting a break on doc fees, I think I could hard-ball my way to a lower price than the GSM pricing. Will have to check on that since a good friend's son is selling Hummers (and Buick, GMC & Pontiac) at the dealer we purchased from in 2004.
I also tried looking at the Outlook GSM pricing and it only said "See Dealer" without giving a price :-)
Someone posted pictures of a white SLT Acadia. It has the Brick interior, and it looks as if the carpet is a medium blue. Someone else posted pictures of a light blue Acadia and the interior must be the light Titanium and it looks to have the black carpet.
I went to the GMC site and looked at colors. In leather the Brick interior is not available on the Red Jewelcoat or Deep Blue Metallic. Cloth interior only seems to come in Ebony and Titanium. Wonder if both of those have the black carpet, so you would have to move up to leather to get a carpet color other than black?
Saturn on the other hand shows Black, Grey and Tan in both cloth and leather...no details on the carpet color differences, if any.
The name is Albook (no offense taken). Sorry about the confusion-what I was trying to say was that They should have added this inexpensive feature- it's like the one feature the forgot. It is really convienient, but in my second point, I wanted to mention that it shouldn't be the the determining factor in the car purchase. For one thing, it's got the most cargo space of any crossover, And I doubt thatfold down seat in a MAzda CX-9 adds 20-25 extra ft of cargo space. Have a famly member with a Montego, and that doesn't help interior space much. it would be the closest thing to your van. If you really need the extra length, then may I suggest Suburban? You won't be able to beat the capability of your van anywhere-anytime soon. But keep complaining, guys, Lately GM has gotten good at hearing, and made some key upgrades. I'd bet this will be on the '08. About the styling thing- i think the Acadia looks little like the Envoy. They did want to give it a truck like look- but it looks new to the GM family. WHoever purchased that Acadia- the photoslook great! Looks like you were breaking the neighborhood cookie cutter bond (since it's parked next to a Tahoe and Suburban!).
I'm pretty sure the carpet in all of the Acadias is black, not blue. Actually, from seeing it in person, I would call it more of a charcoal, since it's not really jet black.
The Outlook apparently does have a beige carpet option, based on the pictures in the Edmunds review.
I was quoting the GMC site for Light Titanium and Ebony as the color choices in cloth and Leather with Brick as another choice in Leather. Call it black and grey if you want, but GM calls it ebony and titanium :-) Just to be picky. Saturn web site goes with Black, grey and tan with all 3 available in cloth or leather.
I looked at the interior pictures of the Acadia (GMC on the steering wheel) and that has to be blue carpet in a white Acadia with the brick leather interior...not sure if that is a production model if they only come with black carpet. See post #1512. I'll go by the GMC dealer sometime and see for myself.
Look at the last photo of the open tailgate on post 1512. I think the floor carpeting behind the 3rd row just looks blue because of the way the sunlight is hitting it (and maybe being filtered through the tinted glass of the open tailgate). Yet the back of the 3rd row seat looks like the same charcoal color that comes with the other interiors. You know they have to be the same color, although they look different. I think it's an optical illusion.
I'll just have to go see one. The mats/carpet for the second row look more blue than charcoal to me as well. I was wondering if the SLT trim level with Brick leather came with something other than black/ebony/dark charcoal carpet. My trooper has a medium - light tan/beige and I like that since you can actually see the floorboards.
Looking at the Saturn pictures on Edumunds show Outlook pictures with a much lighter interior, I guess that would be the TAN option.
I built an outlook on the site today. Price for what I wanted (practically decked out) came to 35g.Only complaint that 6 disc CD changer with MP3 shouldn't be an $835 option! But price was still attractive. Thanks for the info, Steve.
The color is Ebony which is a very dark gray but not quite black! Same as in my Envoy and a usual GMC interior color/combination. I mean this is professional grade!
I have seen the acadia half a dozen times in the past two weeks but never noticed the rear hatch window. Does the window roll down or flip open? I don't remember seeing a control except for the one that opens the full hatch. Is the window fixed? It would be a minor hassle to have to open the full hatch just to drop in a bag of groceries.
You need to adjust the color settings on your computer monitor. It is not blue.
Now, mind you you should not use photographs to tell you the true color of anything--much less digital ones, and much, much less on the internet. Even your own eyes can deceive you depending on their health.
Anyways. Who said they wanted a fold-flat front seat?
Hmmm, the Vue is a shorter vehicle inside. anyone know the length of the Acadia from inside rear hatch to back of front seat? Maybe it is long enough to carry most anything w/o folding the seat? OK it will not hold 2x4x10 but what do people want to carry?
This was competely loaded except for DVD. It have everything else and was listed at $ 48000. Not a bad price...and I LOVED the interior. Loved the power seats. Loved how flow in 3rd row folds flat like my 2004 Durango. (Which is what I would be replacing)
However, torque steer when I floored the gas petal was TERRIBLE TERRIBLE. I've driven race cars, SUV's, Cars and everything else, you name it. I floored this CUV and it went ALL OVER THE PLACE but STRAIGHT. I need to drive the 4 wheel drive version to see what that's like. It will obviously be NIGHT and DAY.
I like the looks of the Outlook interior better than that of the Acadia. I like what they have done with the fake wood accents on the doors and dash. It really looks nice in black. I think I like the back of the Outlook and the front of the Acadia. I drove them both - wonderful vehicles except for the transmissions.
I think you're probably correct about the color. Had a dying CRT monitor replaced by an LCD a couple of months ago and I have noticed some color are not the same :-).
Fold flat seat. Probably would not work on the Outlook/Acadia, but on my Trooper the seat fold BACK flat if I remove the headrests and move the front passenger seat forward. Second row folds down, so I have pretty flat 1st and second row, but behind the second row there is a drop to the cargo floor of a few inches. With that I can carry at least 10' inside.
This was competely loaded except for DVD. It have everything else and was listed at $ 48000. Not a bad price...and I LOVED the interior. Loved the power seats. Loved how flow in 3rd row folds flat like my 2004 Durango. (Which is what I would be replacing)
However, torque steer when I floored the gas petal was TERRIBLE TERRIBLE. I've driven race cars, SUV's, Cars and everything else, you name it. I floored this CUV and it went ALL OVER THE PLACE but STRAIGHT. I need to drive the 4 wheel drive version to see what that's like. It will obviously be NIGHT and DAY. -
Interesting. Not many reviewers--if any--complained about torque steer. Buy an Chevrolet Impala SS and you'll see what torque steer is.
GM has an accessory that does the ipod controlling. Give the dealer a call
Personal Audio Link (PAL) The Personal Audio Link (PAL), soon to be available on select models from Chevy Accessories, turns up the volume on vehicle personalization by bringing your Apple® iPod®(1) and your vehicle audio system together.(2) Hidden within the auxiliary glove box, this cool connection lets you utilize the factory radio controls to navigate your personal music library. As an added benefit, the iPod charges while it’s connected and the ignition is on.
iPod is a mobile digital device. iPod is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc., registered in the US and other countries. All rights reserved.
Not compatible with iPod Shuffle; may not be compatible with some older iPod models. Personal Audio Link not available with base audio system on HHR LS
This site says the PAL will be available for the Acadia by June 2007: Personal Audio Link. Does anyone have more current information?
Actually for $835 you get a high powered audio system which includes 6 cd/300 watt amp/9 speakers/subwoofer/rear seat audio controls I still should not have to pay 835 for what I can mostly get on a Pilot for free. But price still good.
Actually for $835 you get a high powered audio system which includes 6 cd/300 watt amp/9 speakers/subwoofer/rear seat audio controls I still should not have to pay 835 for what I can mostly get on a Pilot for free. But price still good.i>
You got me thinking about this. You said the comparable type audio system was free at Honda. I took a look at the Honda website and the "free" audio system is pretty base. Pilot has a am/fm/CD system with only 4 speakers (vs. 6 over at GM).
I am wondering if I missed your point?
LX AM/FM/CD Audio System with 4 Speakers
EX /EX-L AM/FM/6-Disc In-dash CD Changer/Cassette Audio System with 7 Speakers
Even the uplevel system does not compare with the GM system: 6 cd/300 watt amp/9 speakers/subwoofer/rear seat audio controls
Even the uplevel system does not compare with the GM system: 6 cd/300 watt amp/9 speakers/subwoofer/rear seat audio controls But I still have to pay extra. That's my point. In the Honda, I may not get best system, but it comes on model. Seriously, 6 disc changer should be standard on every car! Zmann, I'm not agreeing with you either, because I would pay the extra 800 bacause I am saving 3grand (comparably equipped) on a much nicer, better quality vehicle that I would rather be seen driving!
I guess I do not understand. You still have to pay for the uplevel audio system. It is not standard. Am I missing something? The cost of the system is just buried in with a bunch of other items. It is not free.
YES-you are! This DOES come standard on the Pilot EX. You DO NOT pay extra. That means if you get any EX It WILL be in there. If you get an Acadia SLT it MIGHT NOT. Got it?
YES-you are! This DOES come standard on the Pilot EX. You DO NOT pay extra. That means if you get any EX It WILL be in there. If you get an Acadia SLT it MIGHT NOT. Got it?
Yes, but it does not make sense. Sorry.
You said:"I still should not have to pay 835 for what I can mostly get on a Pilot for free. But price still good."
It is not free, you pay for it, it is just part of a package. GM has it as free flow and you can get it if you want to.
So I popped to the GMC dealer this lunch time. Took a look at a FWD SLT1 with red exterior and cream interior.
First things first. The red with cream is a NICE color combination. Secondly it is a large imposing vehicle but it does not overwhelm you like a Tahoe might. It looks very solid and I like that. Personally I thought it was more handsome that the Outlook I looked at last month.
I thought I would like the interior of the Outlook more, but now having sat in both, I can honestly say that the interior of the Acadia looks much better in actual than in photos - until you start tapping things (but I'll come to that later) and so I would be quite happy with the Acadia.
I was impressed with the quality of the leather. The car has sat outside for a day (it was delivered yesterday) and though it is warm today (a balmy 36F) compared to yesterday I did not get that freeze your butt to the seat feeling like you do with poorer quality leather in some cars (my Freestyle and Eclipse spring to mind..)
For fit an finish I found some niggles. On this car, the rubber surround on the audio dial was faulty and needed fixing. While pressing the center dash near the air vents I noticed that the dash flexes and creaks - to the extent that it felt quite fragile. GM could have done a better job there. We all know that the top of the instruments sounds hollow. If you look for it you'll find cost cutting dotted around on the car.
I tried the second row seat mechanism again. Again, this got part way and then got stuck. The salesman had to give the seat a good push before it would open all the way. Perhaps it is me, but this is 2 out of 2 cars now that had seats that were difficult to collapse. Perhaps the seats will improve as they get more use and "break in" a bit. I commented about the open tracks on the floor for the seats and the salesperson confirmed that the car came with mats (in the trunk) that would cover the majority of the tracks. I commented about detritus falling in and gunking up the tracks and he stated that I was the second person to comment on that. To my thinking the second row seats may end up being the Achilles' heel of this car.
I sat in the third row, and with the second row fully back I still feel as if there is no more knee room than in a Freestyle. The comfort of the seat and seat back was better than the Freestyle and with the second row pushed forward it was quite comfortable. I believe that there is an extra inch or so of head room than in a Freestyle as well, which means that it is considerably more comfortable than a Pacifica as this was the reason I ending up buying a Freestyle over the Pacifica (more usable third row). GM has definitely learned a lesson or two over the two established 6/7 seat cross overs out there.
I did not get to drive it. One of these days I'll take one for a test drive.
In summary, the car has a few niggles but the car is certainly still good. It could have been true great however. How many of these niggles are first year production blues? I don't know. However luckily for me I am in no hurry to buy. I would put the car at the top of my purchasing list, however I would wait until the 2008 model become available. By then I would hope that the first year blues will be over with and the latest gadgets (interactive remote starter, PAL, detachable DVD system) will have made it to the street.
I saw all three CUVs in fully loaded form, and after seeing each of them side-by-side, if the cost difference between the Enclave and other two when fully equipped is under $5K I will ABSOLUTELY get the Enclave. It's so much better looking and has better quality materials too. The chrome grille, chrome door handles, chrome roof rack, HUGE chrome wheels, and chrome tailight surrounds combined with Cocoa Almond exterior color is AMAZING! :surprise: I was unable to get in the Enclave since it was on one of those revolving dispaly things but I was able to get within about two to three feet from it and could easily see the interior looks, color, etc. (The doors were wide open. )
I noticed how some people commented about both the second row seat tracks and the "cheap" second row slide handles, but after closely looking at these details on both the Outlook and Acadia on the show floor I was unable to find any problems. The sliding of the second row seat worked perfectly and folding it up to gain access to the third row worked effortlessly every time. There were carpets covering the tracks while I did all of this so there was no way that anyone could get hurt, debris could fall in them, etc.
I was also extremely impressed with the leather quality in both of the CUVs, and was pleased when I saw the amount of leather covering the upper portions of the doors. The faux wood trim on the Outlook looked astounding and the Acadia's metallic trim was almost equally impressive. There were some plastics on the dash and console that looked somewhat like a product of cost-cutting, but they were by no means as bad as some of the interior materials that can be found throughout the interiors of the competition.
Roominess throughout the car (headroom, legroom, knee room) was excellent in all three rows. One problem that I did find with the CUVs was that on both the Outlook and Acadia the second row seemed to be lacking some thigh support. I think the Enclave is supposed to have slightly upgraded seats (like the inflatable bolsters for the third row, seat perforations, better leather quality) but I doubt this would change the thigh support and was unable to test it as they wouldn't allow anyone up on the platform.
On a side note, I also found myself quite impressed by the Mercedes-Benz GL450. I know that the specs say the Lambdas are larger vehicles inside, but they both felt to be about the same size in all three rows :confuse: , and the third row seats on the Benz were more comfortable for me. I know its a lot more money, but I could probably get one with a few thousand miles on it for around the same price as the V8 Lambda variants (which is the type I would get) and it offers some additional features that the GM vehicles don't like an excellent second row entertainment sytem with dual screens, memory passenger seat settings, and some other goodies.
In conclusion, it looks like I'll be waiting about another year for the V8 Enclave to arrive and if it meets my expectations I'll have found my next vehicle.
We went back to the dealer today (Eagle GMC in Homosassa, FL) after discovering via GMC's online inventory search that they had a model we would like due to arrive any day now. We were looking for a FWD SLE in Liquid Silver/Titanium with only a few options, mostly the upgraded sound system package which includes the 6 disc changer, Bose speaker system and the 3 zone climate control. No, I don't know why climate control is packaged with the sound system upgrade, but the three features were just what we wanted in addition to standard SLE equipment. Also got power seats, though the 6 way manual driver seat would have been just fine. We also wanted the trailer hitch for light towing (1000 lbs) but the one they had lacked this feature, so we will add it when aftermarket hitches become available.
Anyway, after a short negotiation we bought the car, which hasn't actually arrived at the dealership yet. It's still on a car carrier somewhere in the southeast. We weren't able to get much of a price break - Acadias are selling about as fast as they can get them - but we didn't pay a premium like some dealers are trying to charge. We saw "additional dealer profit" ranging from $999 to $1764 on the window stickers at various dealerships in central Florida. Don't know if they are actually getting it from buyers, but it gives the dealer a big edge when discussing trade-in value. We got a pretty decent trade-in for our 03 Chevy Tracker ZR2 but only a few hundred dollars discount off the MSRP. The Acadia should be in by middle of next week and I can report more after we get it. Meanwhile we drove home in a loaded Buick Terrazo minivan cause the dealer has a potential buyer for the Tracker already and wanted to keep it on the lot.
Congratulations! You are a very lucky person indeed. The Acadia is over and beyond nice. I test drove one last Sat. afternoon and loved it. This one was a charcoal gray metallic color with light gray interior. The seats were cloth. It had a pretty decent ride, was extremely comfortable and I felt as though the interior quality was superb.
Excellent job with the Acadia GM! I was thoroughly impressed with the CUV.
It is not free, you pay for it, it is just part of a package. GM has it as free flow and you can get it if you want to.Guess I get your point. But what I am also saying is since this feature is already on vehichle, you don't have the hassle of trying to find/ order one just to get it. Like Pilot comes w/ standard sunroof. Now you don't have to go looking for an EX with a sunroof! Now some may not want this to save money, but Pilot is offered at an attractive price already. Acaida is to-think about that.
Just went last night, and was impressed with Enclave. I sat in about every 3 row crossover but liked Acadia the most for room and interior. To the guy who said he'd rather have GL-I CANT BELIEVE YOU! I was just thinking the same thing! But the GL doesn't have captains chairs, and less interior room. But I like the DVD in the headrests. YOu know it starts at 54g right. Tried R class?
I know what you are saying. Issue is there are two ends to this discussion. Honda is at one end and you have no choice in what you buy. They offer a few models and few or no options. The other end is everything is freeflow and you can get whatever you want.
GM actually now is much closer to Honda than they used to be. Having few or no options allows much fewer parts in the plant and can also make it easier for customers to deal since comparing exactly the same vehicles (Honda vs. Honda) and negotiating is tougher on the dealer. Other side is many do not want to be forced to get a loaded vehicle, i.e. look up 2 or 3 discussions and the guy wonders why they force uplevel stereo with 3 zone temperature. If he was to go to a Honda store there would be no choice in anything. Anyway GM is really trying to reduce the number of permutations but it is tough.
Like the sunroof. Many do not want a sunroof for many reasons, perhaps they need the headroom or live in Arizona and hate the heat or never want it open or want to save $600. With that Pilot they are out of luck. A few years ago there was talk of getting the ordering process down to 2 weeks. Order the vehicle exactly as you want it and have it in 2 weeks. did not go anywhere because there were too many variables. Even looked at housing vehicles in warehouses so that any permutation could be found.
Just got my Acadia. It's an SLT-2 with DVD, Sunroof and 19" wheels. Paid $300 over invoice ($1,900 off MSRP). Deal was just on the Acadia, no trade involved. Got an additoinal $1000 off for Conquest rebate and another $1000 off for GM card bonus promotion. Just love the car. I had previously test driven an Outlook and another Acadia (SLE model) and it both occasions I noticed a lag in the acceleration when hitting the gas peddle hard. This was also noted in several reviews. No so with my car. The vehicle just arrived this week at the dealer, so I wonder if GM updated the transmission software to fix the lag. Fit and finish on the car was excellent. I think GM has really built a winner. If GM continues to put this type of effort and quality into their new products and if the long term reliability is good, then Honda and Toyota better watch out. GM is coming back strong.
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The big differences are the Envoy can pull more and can go of road with true truck capabilities. The Acadia cannot do these but has other advantages like MPG, drivability (r & H) and is a bit lower.
These attributes could and are attractive to different kinds of buyers. Issue is that with gas at a possible $3 and up (well under $2 today but in the past and future) the possible buyers for the Envoy are going to get smaller and smaller. And most likely the vehicle will not be updated in the future and allowed to fade out of existence with time.
For example I just checked and financing $30K for 60 months at 6.25% would be $583 a month.
I got my wife's GSM supplier number the other day and tried looking at Acadia and Envoy pricing. It must have changed since 2004. The prices I was seeing were about $600 over invoice. Most basic Envoy without any extra option was in the mid 23K range. Yesterday's paper showed the most basic Envoy with a price of $22.5K. So, even if I'm getting a break on doc fees, I think I could hard-ball my way to a lower price than the GSM pricing. Will have to check on that since a good friend's son is selling Hummers (and Buick, GMC & Pontiac) at the dealer we purchased from in 2004.
I also tried looking at the Outlook GSM pricing and it only said "See Dealer" without giving a price :-)
I went to the GMC site and looked at colors. In leather the Brick interior is not available on the Red Jewelcoat or Deep Blue Metallic. Cloth interior only seems to come in Ebony and Titanium. Wonder if both of those have the black carpet, so you would have to move up to leather to get a carpet color other than black?
Saturn on the other hand shows Black, Grey and Tan in both cloth and leather...no details on the carpet color differences, if any.
About the styling thing- i think the Acadia looks little like the Envoy. They did want to give it a truck like look- but it looks new to the GM family.
WHoever purchased that Acadia- the photoslook great! Looks like you were breaking the neighborhood cookie cutter bond (since it's parked next to a Tahoe and Suburban!).
The Outlook apparently does have a beige carpet option, based on the pictures in the Edmunds review.
And interior color wise, the choices are Gray and Black with cloth and Gray, Black, and Brick if you get leather.
The Outlook is similar, but with a Beige choice, and it has carpeting that's matched to the upholstery.
The place to start one would be over on the Future Vehicles board.
See the Help link at the bottom for info on creating a discussion (or yell if you have trouble).
I looked at the interior pictures of the Acadia (GMC on the steering wheel) and that has to be blue carpet in a white Acadia with the brick leather interior...not sure if that is a production model if they only come with black carpet. See post #1512. I'll go by the GMC dealer sometime and see for myself.
Looking at the Saturn pictures on Edumunds show Outlook pictures with a much lighter interior, I guess that would be the TAN option.
Thanks for the info, Steve.
It is not blue.
Now, mind you you should not use photographs to tell you the true color of anything--much less digital ones, and much, much less on the internet.
Even your own eyes can deceive you depending on their health.
Anyways. Who said they wanted a fold-flat front seat?
Look at the 2008 Saturn Vue on the Vue forum:
This was competely loaded except for DVD. It have everything else and was listed at $ 48000. Not a bad price...and I LOVED the interior. Loved the power seats. Loved how flow in 3rd row folds flat like my 2004 Durango. (Which is what I would be replacing)
However, torque steer when I floored the gas petal was TERRIBLE TERRIBLE. I've driven race cars, SUV's, Cars and everything else, you name it. I floored this CUV and it went ALL OVER THE PLACE but STRAIGHT. I need to drive the 4 wheel drive version to see what that's like. It will obviously be NIGHT and DAY.
I think I like the back of the Outlook and the front of the Acadia. I drove them both - wonderful vehicles except for the transmissions.
Fold flat seat. Probably would not work on the Outlook/Acadia, but on my Trooper the seat fold BACK flat if I remove the headrests and move the front passenger seat forward. Second row folds down, so I have pretty flat 1st and second row, but behind the second row there is a drop to the cargo floor of a few inches. With that I can carry at least 10' inside.
This was competely loaded except for DVD. It have everything else and was listed at $ 48000. Not a bad price...and I LOVED the interior. Loved the power seats. Loved how flow in 3rd row folds flat like my 2004 Durango. (Which is what I would be replacing)
However, torque steer when I floored the gas petal was TERRIBLE TERRIBLE. I've driven race cars, SUV's, Cars and everything else, you name it. I floored this CUV and it went ALL OVER THE PLACE but STRAIGHT. I need to drive the 4 wheel drive version to see what that's like. It will obviously be NIGHT and DAY.
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Interesting.
Not many reviewers--if any--complained about torque steer.
Buy an Chevrolet Impala SS and you'll see what torque steer is.
Personal Audio Link (PAL)
The Personal Audio Link (PAL), soon to be available on select models from Chevy Accessories, turns up the volume on vehicle personalization by bringing your Apple® iPod®(1) and your vehicle audio system together.(2) Hidden within the auxiliary glove box, this cool connection lets you utilize the factory radio controls to navigate your personal music library. As an added benefit, the iPod charges while it’s connected and the ignition is on.
iPod is a mobile digital device. iPod is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc., registered in the US and other countries. All rights reserved.
Not compatible with iPod Shuffle; may not be compatible with some older iPod models.
Personal Audio Link not available with base audio system on HHR LS
This site says the PAL will be available for the Acadia by June 2007: Personal Audio Link. Does anyone have more current information?
Kelly
Actually for $835 you get a high powered audio system which includes 6 cd/300 watt amp/9 speakers/subwoofer/rear seat audio controls
I still should not have to pay 835 for what I can mostly get on a Pilot for free. But price still good.
You seriously think Honda is giving away stuff for free?
I still should not have to pay 835 for what I can mostly get on a Pilot for free. But price still good.i>
You got me thinking about this. You said the comparable type audio system was free at Honda. I took a look at the Honda website and the "free" audio system is pretty base. Pilot has a am/fm/CD system with only 4 speakers (vs. 6 over at GM).
I am wondering if I missed your point?
LX
AM/FM/CD Audio System with 4 Speakers
EX /EX-L
AM/FM/6-Disc In-dash CD Changer/Cassette Audio System with 7 Speakers
Even the uplevel system does not compare with the GM system: 6 cd/300 watt amp/9 speakers/subwoofer/rear seat audio controls
But that is off topic. Back to lambdas...
But I still have to pay extra. That's my point. In the Honda, I may not get best system, but it comes on model. Seriously, 6 disc changer should be standard on every car!
Zmann, I'm not agreeing with you either, because I would pay the extra 800 bacause I am saving 3grand (comparably equipped) on a much nicer, better quality vehicle that I would rather be seen driving!
YES-you are! This DOES come standard on the Pilot EX. You DO NOT pay extra. That means if you get any EX It WILL be in there. If you get an Acadia SLT it MIGHT NOT. Got it?
Yes, but it does not make sense. Sorry.
You said:"I still should not have to pay 835 for what I can mostly get on a Pilot for free. But price still good."
It is not free, you pay for it, it is just part of a package. GM has it as free flow and you can get it if you want to.
First things first. The red with cream is a NICE color combination. Secondly it is a large imposing vehicle but it does not overwhelm you like a Tahoe might. It looks very solid and I like that. Personally I thought it was more handsome that the Outlook I looked at last month.
I thought I would like the interior of the Outlook more, but now having sat in both, I can honestly say that the interior of the Acadia looks much better in actual than in photos - until you start tapping things (but I'll come to that later) and so I would be quite happy with the Acadia.
I was impressed with the quality of the leather. The car has sat outside for a day (it was delivered yesterday) and though it is warm today (a balmy 36F) compared to yesterday I did not get that freeze your butt to the seat feeling like you do with poorer quality leather in some cars (my Freestyle and Eclipse spring to mind..)
For fit an finish I found some niggles. On this car, the rubber surround on the audio dial was faulty and needed fixing. While pressing the center dash near the air vents I noticed that the dash flexes and creaks - to the extent that it felt quite fragile. GM could have done a better job there. We all know that the top of the instruments sounds hollow. If you look for it you'll find cost cutting dotted around on the car.
I tried the second row seat mechanism again. Again, this got part way and then got stuck. The salesman had to give the seat a good push before it would open all the way. Perhaps it is me, but this is 2 out of 2 cars now that had seats that were difficult to collapse. Perhaps the seats will improve as they get more use and "break in" a bit. I commented about the open tracks on the floor for the seats and the salesperson confirmed that the car came with mats (in the trunk) that would cover the majority of the tracks. I commented about detritus falling in and gunking up the tracks and he stated that I was the second person to comment on that. To my thinking the second row seats may end up being the Achilles' heel of this car.
I sat in the third row, and with the second row fully back I still feel as if there is no more knee room than in a Freestyle. The comfort of the seat and seat back was better than the Freestyle and with the second row pushed forward it was quite comfortable. I believe that there is an extra inch or so of head room than in a Freestyle as well, which means that it is considerably more comfortable than a Pacifica as this was the reason I ending up buying a Freestyle over the Pacifica (more usable third row). GM has definitely learned a lesson or two over the two established 6/7 seat cross overs out there.
I did not get to drive it. One of these days I'll take one for a test drive.
In summary, the car has a few niggles but the car is certainly still good. It could have been true great however. How many of these niggles are first year production blues? I don't know. However luckily for me I am in no hurry to buy. I would put the car at the top of my purchasing list, however I would wait until the 2008 model become available. By then I would hope that the first year blues will be over with and the latest gadgets (interactive remote starter, PAL, detachable DVD system) will have made it to the street.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90X4CQNwV7w
I noticed how some people commented about both the second row seat tracks and the "cheap" second row slide handles, but after closely looking at these details on both the Outlook and Acadia on the show floor I was unable to find any problems. The sliding of the second row seat worked perfectly and folding it up to gain access to the third row worked effortlessly every time. There were carpets covering the tracks while I did all of this so there was no way that anyone could get hurt, debris could fall in them, etc.
I was also extremely impressed with the leather quality in both of the CUVs, and was pleased when I saw the amount of leather covering the upper portions of the doors. The faux wood trim on the Outlook looked astounding and the Acadia's metallic trim was almost equally impressive. There were some plastics on the dash and console that looked somewhat like a product of cost-cutting, but they were by no means as bad as some of the interior materials that can be found throughout the interiors of the competition.
Roominess throughout the car (headroom, legroom, knee room) was excellent in all three rows. One problem that I did find with the CUVs was that on both the Outlook and Acadia the second row seemed to be lacking some thigh support. I think the Enclave is supposed to have slightly upgraded seats (like the inflatable bolsters for the third row, seat perforations, better leather quality) but I doubt this would change the thigh support and was unable to test it as they wouldn't allow anyone up on the platform.
On a side note, I also found myself quite impressed by the Mercedes-Benz GL450. I know that the specs say the Lambdas are larger vehicles inside, but they both felt to be about the same size in all three rows :confuse: , and the third row seats on the Benz were more comfortable for me. I know its a lot more money, but I could probably get one with a few thousand miles on it for around the same price as the V8 Lambda variants (which is the type I would get) and it offers some additional features that the GM vehicles don't like an excellent second row entertainment sytem with dual screens, memory passenger seat settings, and some other goodies.
In conclusion, it looks like I'll be waiting about another year for the V8 Enclave to arrive and if it meets my expectations I'll have found my next vehicle.
Anyway, after a short negotiation we bought the car, which hasn't actually arrived at the dealership yet. It's still on a car carrier somewhere in the southeast. We weren't able to get much of a price break - Acadias are selling about as fast as they can get them - but we didn't pay a premium like some dealers are trying to charge. We saw "additional dealer profit" ranging from $999 to $1764 on the window stickers at various dealerships in central Florida. Don't know if they are actually getting it from buyers, but it gives the dealer a big edge when discussing trade-in value. We got a pretty decent trade-in for our 03 Chevy Tracker ZR2 but only a few hundred dollars discount off the MSRP. The Acadia should be in by middle of next week and I can report more after we get it. Meanwhile we drove home in a loaded Buick Terrazo minivan cause the dealer has a potential buyer for the Tracker already and wanted to keep it on the lot.
Excellent job with the Acadia GM! I was thoroughly impressed with the CUV.
Ron M.
To the guy who said he'd rather have GL-I CANT BELIEVE YOU! I was just thinking the same thing! But the GL doesn't have captains chairs, and less interior room. But I like the DVD in the headrests. YOu know it starts at 54g right. Tried R class?
GM actually now is much closer to Honda than they used to be. Having few or no options allows much fewer parts in the plant and can also make it easier for customers to deal since comparing exactly the same vehicles (Honda vs. Honda) and negotiating is tougher on the dealer. Other side is many do not want to be forced to get a loaded vehicle, i.e. look up 2 or 3 discussions and the guy wonders why they force uplevel stereo with 3 zone temperature. If he was to go to a Honda store there would be no choice in anything. Anyway GM is really trying to reduce the number of permutations but it is tough.
Like the sunroof. Many do not want a sunroof for many reasons, perhaps they need the headroom or live in Arizona and hate the heat or never want it open or want to save $600. With that Pilot they are out of luck. A few years ago there was talk of getting the ordering process down to 2 weeks. Order the vehicle exactly as you want it and have it in 2 weeks. did not go anywhere because there were too many variables. Even looked at housing vehicles in warehouses so that any permutation could be found.