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Since it is so new no one willprobably have any experience in order time.
But a sold order to a customer does get some priority over a general dealer stock order so a 6-12 week period sounds reasonable. If you did not get preference it could be longer.
When i went into the dealership they said they have one on it's way and it was on their website listed as "Ship"
I will be pretty mad if It takes 3 more weeks I have plans to be out of town by then, nonetheless vehicle is stunning
Did you drive one first? How was the ride compared to a minivan? A large sedan? an SUV?
Did you have any trade-ins as part of this deal? If so, what did you have and what did you get? It will help those buying without a trade-in, since those with trade-ins get better prices on their new cars since the dealer is making money on their trade-in, as compared to those without a trade-in. It's the old, "I'll give you $1000 off the MSRP" because in reality the dealer is making $4000 off the trade in.
My reaction:
I was impressed with the overall layout and roominess. The second and third rows have a fair amount of room (head, shoulder and leg). The third row is easier to access than any vehicle I have tried. I found the the driver's seat position comfortable. The engine seemed to have sufficient power, and I found the lag in the transmission less troublesome than expected from the reviews I have read. Overall, acceleration was decent, maneuverability was good, and body sway was well controlled. Sitting next to a GMC Yukon, it looks much smaller.
The ride was a bit jiggly. My 16-year-old son rode in the third row and said he could really feel curbs, pot holes, etc. The outside rear view mirrors were odd shaped and not all that helpful.
I was disappointed in the cloth seats, the hard plastic on the dash and the overall "feel" (quality) of the interior (compared to my 2002 MDX). I also found the second row bench seats to be hard and not all that comfortable.
A couple of question for those who have driven an Acadia with up-level trim:
1. Are the second row "captains chairs" more comfortable than the second-row bench?
2. How is the leather (quality and comfort)?
3. Is the dash material the same as in the SE?
4. Are there other quality/luxury differences between the SE and the SLT-1 and SLT-2 trim levels?
I really want to like this vehicle.
Kelly
The interior was still full of hard plastics on the upgraded trim, although the dash is textured and does look good from a distance. You might want to wait to see the Enclave if you are coming from a MDX.
PeterJ6 their is no comparison I sacrificed a lot no 6-disc changer, no Leather Interior, no Sunroof and even in base form the Acadia is more than the Trailblazer EXT could ever want to be the Trailblazer is pretty narrow the Acadia feels like a Fullsize Suv but handles like a car I live in Rockville,Maryland but I purchased the vehicle in Virginia they have a total of 4 I could have got an SLT with Leather Captains Chairs in-dash changer and TV for 34,900 but I did not want to spend that much the MSRP was $36,900 and oh yeah Mines is also FWD GM has a hit on their hand no doubt
The best thing to do when trading in a vehicle is find out the price the dealer is selling your trade-in for. So if for example you have a 2006 Trailblazer to trade-in and the dealer is selling a comparably equipped used 2006 Trailblazer on his lot for $28K, then you should get $23-$25K for the car because even if the dealer sells it for $27K and buys yours for $25K, they're still making $2000 off of your car that they don't have to do anything to other than clean it up a little. But for the dealer to make $7K off the trade-in sounds crazy to me.
"Note that TCO is a comparative tool, not a predictive tool - your actual five-year cost of owning a particular vehicle will vary depending on your personal circumstances, such as your driving history and the number of miles you drive."
That seems fairly typical to me. The first year depreciation is always the killer. If you want to change your car every year, it is a good way to commit financial suicide.
One of the most prudent purchasing schemes is to buy a nice used model that is about 2 years old and then keep it for another 3 to 5 years. Of course if that is a Camry it'll be a dull purchase but fiscally prudent.
Then again, what do I know? I bought a Eclipse new (for about $23k) and traded it 5 years, 82k miles later for $8k (which now sounds pretty good as the guy above is losing $10k in one year).
Then I got a 3 year old Audi for about $22k, which we've now had 4 years and some 45k miles later is now worth about $7-8k. This was not such a good buy as we have sunk about $5-6K in maintenance into this car over that time, but at least it still looks and drives like it did when we first got it. I expect to keep this for another year or two, by which time I would still expect it to be worth about $6-7k trade as it has hit bottom on its depreciation hit.
Our other car is a Ford Freestyle which was fully loaded at $32k. Now 20 months later KBB tells me it only worth $19k. Ouch! That's $650 per month..
Of course if you want to change your cars regular like, and do not do many miles you could always lease.
- Looks very nice in person: not too big, not too small.
- The front seat seemed comfortable to me, with lots of leg room (more fore and aft movement than my van). Bobw I think you will find the seat height to your liking - it's not too high.
- The center console is a bit of a joke in terms of storage space. It has a tiny flip-up bin and then it slides back to reveal another pretty small bin. The glove box, however, is huge. The storage bin on top of the dash is a long reach away.
- Sat in all 3 rows. I am 6'0" tall and the 3rd row was tolerable depending on the position of the 2nd seat. If the 2nd seat was in its farthest rear position the 3rd seat wouldn't work for a 6 footer. Not enough knee space. Move it forward a couple inches and it was ok. It seemed to me you could adjust all three rows to come up with a reasonable compromise in leg room for 6 adults. I say 6 instead of 7 because I don't think you could put 3 normal-sized adults across the rear bench comfortably.
- I had no problem with the flip 'n fold seat, unlike some others who have had complaints about it not working smoothly (I did have to teach the salesperson how to use it though
- Minivan owners will be disappointed in the cargo space behind the 3rd row. One large suitcase and a smaller bag would be about it I think. It didn't seem like anywhere near the space I have in my van, although based on the specs it should have been closer. Looking at my old van specs, it has 20.3 cu. ft behind 3rd row, vs. 19.7 for Acadia. Either one of them is wrong, or they are measured differently. I think vans probably just have a lot more usable space due to lower floor height.
I didn't have time to drive it on my lunch hour, but one of them was running and the engine seemed very quiet at idle. The jury is still out on this one for me until I have a chance to drive it and decide whether I'm willing to give up the space of a minivan in exchange for AWD. Of course I could get a Sienna AWD and give up neither, but I'm not sure I can talk my wife into another van. The nice thing is that I don't really need to decide anytime soon.
Good luck w/ your decision!
I too am planning on using the auto show (in my case in Omaha in 2 weeks) to further evaluate the Sienna, Acadia and several other vehicles. Please keep us posted on your thoughts.
Comparing the 2008 T&C, it's a major redo. I like the idea of the new Swivel 'n Go 2nd row seats. This van seems packed (if you get all the options)with the best of all minivan and crossover features and much more storage than the crossovers.
Only thing is the T&C not available into the FAll
It doesn't seem like there is an option of a NAV system on the Veracruz. But maybe the dealer can install one.
I'm really interested in a fully loaded vehicle.
The T&C 2008 seems to offers more than all the above and although the prices aren't out on it yet, I read the range is $25K-$40K. So if $40K is loaded, that could be less than some of the others in the discussions that don't offer all the bells and whistles of the T&C. Estimated mileage is apprx 18/25. Check it out.
I have followed the 2008 T&C closely. I have a couple issues with it. One, it's not out until the Fall, and I don't know if I want to wait that long. Two, I'm still not sold on Stow 'N Go (uncomfortable 2nd row) or Swivel 'N Go (which doesn't Stow).
We will look at the Mazda CX-9, '07 Sienna (3.5L), Odyssey and others during the Auto Show.
http://www.cars.com/go/compare/trimCompare.jsp?acodes=USB70CDV081A0,USB70TOV111B- 0
Carcom-I would be willing to bet VeraCruz will have Navigation, as Suzuki XL7 does.
and the Sienna has greater overall cargo capacity behind every row, but maybe it will grow for 2008. The manufacturer page for Toyota matches to Cars.com, but not for Chrysler. It looks like Cars.com was overly generous to the T&C.
If you're looking for probably the most leg and other dimensions, check out the Nissan Quest. I sat in the 2nd row and it almost seemed like too much room. According to a 2007 brochure legroom is for 1st, 2nd, 3rd row - 41.7/42.1/39.6.
I bet most of the vehicles will have sufficient room for passengers. The biggest differences will be cargo area behind 3rd row. Also specs are not as good an indicator as actually sitting in the vehicle. On some cars there is hardly any room to put your feet under the seat in front of you.
Here is the link for the 2008 Dodge & Chrysler minivans:
http://www.allpar.com/model/m/2008-minivans.html">link title
Some of the dimensions decreased while others increased. So, seeing is believing. Can't wait to see all these vehicles in person.
The Swivel 'N Go seem to be regular size chairs with same dimensions as front so they will not Stow but do fold like in the '97's. Not sure if they can be removed.
I realize it would be best to have 2nd row comfortable seats to stow. Time will tell what we like best. Seems like there are always compromises.
Actually, under that sliding arm rest is a deep storage bin. There is a tray in the top of it that you can lift out. There is a power outlet down in there, and you can snake the power cord up to the upper level.
I test drove a base SE (the only Acadia I could find in the Salt Lake City area). The auto show is in town this weekend, and I plan on taking a closer look at it and some of the competition. Right now, I am leaning heavily to the Acadia.
Kelly
It looks like Cars.com was overly generous to the T&C.- That is odd, considering motortrend car adn driver and consumer Reports magazines said it had the most. In my oppinion, the best minivans outthere for convienience and features and the money are Odessey and T&C.
Haven't driven it much and we had only seen a base XE model when we ordered this one, so I was a bit nervous. All in all, I am quite satisfied so far. It drives and handles very well for a vehicle of this size, is quiet and comfortable on the road, has tons of room on the inside, and is done up in a manner better than what some people might expect out of Saturn or GM in general.
http://www.allpar.com/model/m/2008-minivans.html
"Three distinct seating configurations are available for 2008 in North America. They include a second-row bench seat with second-row covered storage bins and third-row fold-in-the-floor seating, a Stow 'n Go(R) seating and storage system that offers the only second- and third-row fold-in-the-floor seats in the industry and the new Swivel 'n Go seating that allows the second row seats to swivel 180 degrees to face rearward. Swivel 'n Go also includes a removable table that fits between the second and third rows with a fold-in-the-floor third-row seat. A one-touch power-folding third-row seat also is available"
Here is a correction: http://www.allpar.com/model/m/2008-minivans.html -
I would have to try them to know for sure.
Other than that, I think all the extra features and options are excellent.
It's still something I'll want to check out more.
I'm still looking forward to see and drive the Veracruz, CX-9 and the Enclave.
First Drive: 2007 GMC Acadia
This one is a bit older than that:
Full Test: 2007 Saturn Outlook XR FWD
And this blurb from the LA Car Show is so we don't leave the Enclave fans out: :shades:
2007 LA Auto Show - 2008 Buick Enclave
There's more in the Article Comments: 2007 Saturn Outlook Full Test discussion.
For what it's worth...here are my observations.
The Edge-
It is bigger and nicer looking in person than the photos reveal. The car drove nicely but had a rather pronounced high pitch sound when accelerating hard. I thought the leather seats were basic and short in the seat. The rear seats had good leg room but were very low.....so much that my knees were forced up into the air several inches. I am only 5 foot 9 inches so I think this is a significant issue. The other major problem was the windshield glare. It was the first thing I noticed when I got in the drivers seat. I could see a perfect reflection of the dashboard on the lower third of the windshield. I couldn't believe how bright and clear the reflection appeared. My concern was that the glare would cause eyestrain. Still, on my one mile test drivve I forgot all about it. I thought the instrument cluster was basic and oddly vertical. Usually the gauges are slanted a little so you don't look at them off axis. The car has the dunne pearl paint job and was very attractive. I might have bought it on the spot if not for the negatives....I still might.
Acadia road test-
It is bigger and longer than the edge with a third row seat. I thoght the interior looked nicer and more professional than the edge. The dashboard especially looked more adult-like. Acceleration was ok and the ride was smooth even going over train tracks.
On the negative side...2nd row bucket seats are small....so small that I think I would prefer the bench seat. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the second row has several large slots in the floor to allow the seat to move forward...I can see small objects falling into these slots or a woman with high heals getting stuck. But , I did see the floor mats they give you and they cover most of the slots.
Both cars had very small engine compartments....my explorers is twice the size. I can't imagine working on these engines....I hope they don't have to drop the engine just to change the spark plugs.
So which did I prefer? The acadia had the edge...no pun intended. But you are paying at least 3k more so I guess you get what you pay for. If I can find a color I like, I'll probably order an acadia in the near future.
Guys, come back to the topic of the lambdas, or at least crossovers.
I think this is a recycled story but if you need a review fix:
Don't miss the 2007 GMC Acadia (San Mateo Daily Journal)
Who cares what Edmunds says!!!!!!!!
Do your own research. Price both with comparable options.
A base stripped Outlook has a MSRP of $27,990.
A base stripped Acadia (8 pass. seating) has a manufacturers invoice of $27,677. The Acadia has another 5 HP, dual exhaust with chrome tips.
If you can buy an Outlook under MSRP you can get a slightly lower price than the Acadia.
TMV is holding close to MSRP, but it's early and not a lot of real world buying information is in.
Among the differences listed in the link above, the base Acadia comes standard with a 6 speed automatic that's not available on the base Outlook and has captain's chairs instead of a 40/60 bench for the third row. You can play with the Comparator tool to figure out differences with other flavors of the Outlook and Acadia.
The base Outlook comes with a 6 speed automatic!!!!!!!!!! If you are using Edmunds data to say it doesn't then Edmunds is wrong.
I deleted the captains chairs to get the comparable equipment to the Outlook. If you want captains chairs, add them to both vehicles.
Well DUH! But some are talking about minivans-with no lambda comparison going on. Lets stick to crossovers.
Yeah, that seems to be in vehicle pages that I found here. I'm confused about the "shiftable" part since there's D and L and a +/- button mentioned for both models, but I didn't look through all the trim lines to see if they were all the same.
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