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And do you honestly believe it's a pure coincidence that the numbers match exactly?
250, yeah, that's the first number I'd pull out of my head if I were making things up.
Give him a break.
Was.
Not.
Made.
Up.
See posts 7185 and 7258.
it is possible to push on the brake lightly and not engage the brake override system
Riding the brakes, like we said. Now there's a source to go with it.
Again, do you think he made up the 250 number and then official sources came up with the same number by coincidence?
PS
I don't think it was coincidence at all. It was lazy reporting. And a number that sounded good.
Does it sound even halfway rational, even to you, that the poster made up the fact that the brakes were pumped 250 times before the news report came out that verified that number? Obviously he had read the report.
Squirm all you want, everyone can see that you have been BUSTED !!
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It's possible he googled it the minute it came out, or it is more likely he saw it on TV or heard it on the radio. It's not like he stated the number a week before it came out in the online news sources; less than 24 hours is your problem?
What exactly are you questioning?
What career? On AdultSwingLife.com?
As Mark Twain said, "There are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics."
Concerning Toyota's problems - I wonder if Honda and other Japanese car companies have been cutting corners to cut costs, too? The Japanese economy is in terrible shape.
DQ's post was March 15 at 12:52pm.
I'm pretty sure GMA is finished by that time.
So he did watch in on TV.
Thank you, YouTube. :shades:
Not reasonable or possible that a random poster "invented" the 250 number, then EDMUND'S used it in a story later as a quote from Toyota !!!
Get REAL my main man !!!
They felt confident enough to put that in writing.
On that same GMA broadcast, Sikes is heard repeating this quote not once but twice:
I was STANDING on the pedal
So now you have to believe NHTSA is flat out lying to side with Sikes.
There's your source.
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Boston.com (dated 3/16, but refers to Toyota's report "yesterday").
Another from CNET stamped 3/15. Ditto, BBC.
So, why are we off on this tangent? You guys lost me a dozen posts ago.
ABC News
Don't ask me if Michels is on loan from Exponent.
"Oh what a twisted web we weave......"
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-He says he suffered UA in his Prius
-Toyota says "impossible"
-Then, someone did some sort of investigation on Sikes, painting him as unreliable because of financial woes (who undertook that investigation and then leaked it to the press?).
-Toyota says Sikes only pushed "lightly" on the brakes
-Police officer says he believes Sikes was on the brakes hard. Physical evidence of the brakes themselves confirms it
-Toyota says the recorder showed at least 250 presses of the brake/accelerator during this ordeal (if so, why didn't any of those activate the brake over ride Toyota states is installed?)
-NTSA says hard to reproduce any of the UA incidents, and is still investigating (using what data? Toyota's?. Toyota still contends they remedied them already
-Sikes' lawyer says he has no intention of suing Toyota, which removes the alleged fraud some say he was trying to perpetrate
-State Farm says they've had an awful lot of Toyota accidents, much more than usual, because of the issue with Toyotas
That about sums it up, I think. Hmmmmmm.....who has more to lose here? Toyota, just maybe?
So, why are we off on this tangent? You guys lost me a dozen posts ago.
The answer is because Gary did not believe DQ, so Gary wrote:
Post an earlier report or link.
Now that he has FOUR sources maybe he'll let it go.
No, they never said that, they said they would investigate.
NHTSA said he could not have been on the brakes hard in writing in a report to Congress. It was not Toyota.
-Toyota says Sikes only pushed "lightly" on the brakes
Again, no. They have not said anything about what Sikes did, in fact they have shown remarkable restraint. You're quoting so now it's your turn to name a source, please?
Police officer says he believes Sikes was on the brakes hard
Where did you read that? Source? He said he saw brake lights, nothing about hard, how would he even know?
Physical evidence of the brakes themselves confirms it
Absolutely not true! Light braking wore the material down gradually.
didn't any of those activate the brake over ride Toyota states is installed?
Because LIGHT application of the brake does not activate the override. Sikes was braking lightly, else he would have slowed to a stop, like he did at the end when the CHP said he slowed dramatically.
NTSA says hard to reproduce any of the UA incidents, and is still investigating
Wrong again. NHTSA already sent a letter to Congress saying it was not feasible for Sikes to have been on the brakes hard.
Sikes' lawyer says he has no intention of suing Toyota
Then why does he need a lawyer?
From ABC News...
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-runaway-prius-driver-foot-gas/story?id=1010- 5404
"According to Toyota, while Sikes' front brakes were worn away, his rear brakes were "fine," and a reading of electronic data from Sikes' car showed that he had applied the brakes and the accelerator alternately at least 250 times."
So it is back to NY and the 76 year old lady. I am sure she is a porn star or has been late on a CC payment at least once.
He is a seasoned veteran of the Toyota liars club.
Mike Michels
Vice President, External Communications
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
Mike Michels is vice president, external communications for Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc.
Michels is responsible for Toyota, Lexus and Scion product and marketing news, corporate business information, media relations, regional public relations activities and online media communications efforts. Prior to assuming his current duties, he was corporate manager of external communications for TMS.
Since joining Toyota in 1986, Michels has held a variety of positions, including Toyota Division product news manager, media relations manager, product planning manager, corporate publications editor and national public relations manager for Lexus Division. At Lexus, Michels was responsible for news media relations, product and technical press information and community relations activities for the newly established luxury vehicle brand.
http://jalopnik.com/5493693/america-you-brought-the-toyota-hoax-on-yourself?skyl- - ine=true&s=i
Every time the technician placed the gas pedal to the floor and the brake pedal to the floor the engine shut off and the car immediately started to slow down. NHTSA and Toyota field representatives reported the same results with the 2008 Prius owned by Mr. Sikes
story yesterday from The Wall Street Journal citing three people familiar with the investigation claiming they discovered a pattern of brake wear on the car inconsistent with the account from Mr. Sikes. That's a much more telling data point than even that found in this memo
it does not appear to be feasibly possible, both electronically and mechanically that his gas pedal was stuck to the floor and he was slamming on the brake at the same time
seemingly competent Jim Sikes wasn't willing to obey simple commands like "put the car into neutral" out of unstated-at-the-time fears the "car would flip" (highly improbable), or that this was a hoax perpetrated by a financially strapped Mr. Sikes (probable).
NHTSA needs to stop wasting money investigating this obviously bogus case and focus instead on other cases, especially ones involving injuries.
I am proud of you brother !!
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No, really, way to take it like an hombre. Kudos.
Have they actually investigated any of them. Or do they just look over the shoulder of a Toyota engineer/Technician?
Something else with the Michel's report on ABC. I did not hear him say the time frame of those 250 alternating gas, brake depressions. Only that 250 is the maximum number stored. Was that over 20 minutes or 20 hours or 20 days? If it is as Toyota claims, a non volatile scratch pad memory. Then it could have been over several days. It obviously does not reset when you shut off the car. Is there a time stamp for each depression? I think Toyota still has questions to answer. I think they are hoping Sikes past along with this bit of new data revelation will quiet the outcry. Now the public should demand a printout of each Hybrid that has been wrecked to have this data for scrutiny by a non Toyota person. And the NHTSA should hire someone competent enough to not be fooled by a quick tech's slight of data move.
No other excuse to offer. I am still skeptical of anything Toyota says.
il ask again since nobody had an answer the first time...this magical box that only toyota has the reader for...the same box that has been completley useless so far(at least according to toyota...unfortunatley they have the only reader so we will have to take their word for it)...here comes the best part...originaly it was"as many as 250 times"...now it is "at least 250 times" why cant they attach an exact number to it? They have the data right? I suspect that the part they left out was could have been as many as 250 times, but could have been as few as 1 time... :confuse: the truth lies somewhere between
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuitem.338d64bcebefdfd24ec86e10dba046a0- /
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/what%e2%80%99s-wrong-with-toyota%e2%80%99s-blac- k-boxes/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_hi_te/us_toyota_black_boxes
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota-clarifies-the-facts-about-155086.aspx
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Stop Toyota Prius Fact vs Myth Info
http://www.safetyresearch.net/2010/03/15/how-do-you-stop-a-toyota-hybrid-myth-v-- fact/
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota-prius-vehicle-throttle-155094.aspx
255 awfully close to 250 being reported by Toyota.
The number is nice but time period would be also interesting.
Krzys
I always thought the last generation of Corolla's were one of the most reliable models they built. No complaints from 2 co-workers who own a 2007 and 2008 model. Another disappointment, I guess.
But if the ABS kicked in during Sikes' driving of the Prius; it would have come to an immediate halt even with the accelerator fully depressed. EVEN with the brake override "allegedly malfuntioning" (which it wasn't) the Prius would come to a halt relatively quickly as the brakes far outpower the 110 HP Prius.
Are you sure the media didn't do their own homework here? It wasn't too hard for people to find Sike's history of corruption out after all, what did it take; about 12 hours?
Police officer says he believes Sikes was on the brakes hard. Physical evidence of the brakes themselves confirms it
Pure speculation based on incomplete observational powers and related smells. It doesn't confirm anything other than he smelled hot brakes and saw a brake light. Nothing about "hard" there.
-Sikes' lawyer says he has no intention of suing Toyota, which removes the alleged fraud some say he was trying to perpetrate
That doesn't mean he didn't intend to sue Toyota or get a new leased vehicle from them for free. He may have changed his own mind about suing Toyota after he realized what a sham his hoax was.
The AP investigation found that Toyota has been inconsistent - and sometimes even contradictory - in revealing exactly what the devices record and don’t record, including critical data about whether the brake or accelerator pedals were depressed at the time of a crash.
By contrast, most other automakers routinely allow much more open access to information from their event data recorders, commonly known as EDRs.
AP also found that Toyota:
- Has frequently refused to provide key information sought by crash victims and survivors.
- Uses proprietary software in its EDRs. Until this week, there was only a single laptop in the U.S. containing the software needed to read the data following a crash.
- In some lawsuits, when pressed to provide recorder information Toyota either settled or provided printouts with the key columns blank."
Source:
http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/business/local/article/ap_toyota_keeps_secret_da- ta_that_could_explain_crashes/24738/
So when data in the Event Data Recorders indicate that Toyota has a faulty product that has taken the lives of its customers, Toyota covers them up, lies about not having the data, refuses to provide them to the suing customers or selectively revealing the data to government investigators.
Toyota thinks that it is smart to reveal the accelerator and brake data in Mr. Sikes' Prius in its smear campaign against Mr. Sikes.
Toyota is going to pay for it's wise-guy decision.
Now Prius owners who got into an accident due to sudden unintended acceleration can no longer be framed by Toyota for hitting the gas pedal by mistake.
I should have sourced the info but I figured it would become common knowlege very quickly.
If I had made up such a number I probably would have chosen 234, 247, or some number which might have seemed more believable! I think an early measurement of the height of Mt. Everest came out as exactly 29,000 feet but the scientists thought that might seem made up so they added 3 feet; 29,003 seemed more legitimate. I think the most recent and accurate figure is 29,029 but please don't quote me on that.
Just proves that preconceived opinions are hard to dislodge. And using pejorative phrases like "spewing propaganda" is not likely to get much support.
Regards, DQ