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Chrysler won't back their own cars with leases I hear from the news.
Value of a brand new average Chrysler vehicle with zero miles is about 16,000 dollars.
Value of a new average Chrysler vehicle with 1 to 10 miles on it is about $8,000 in my book.
Value of a new Chrysler vehicle once it leaves the lot and is "used?" I'd say about $1,000.
Once it has 5K miles, $1.
Anything over 10K miles, $0. I woulnd't take it off your hands unless it was free, and i'm serious about this.
This is the gods honest truth!
Chrysler now agrees with me as residual values of their junk garbage vehicles is killing their cash flow!
GM is right around the block along with FORD.
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OW
My new auto passion is now a Bullitt Mustang...Got off the Asian kick, almost got carried away with the flight to an overseas product..Scanned some of Honda and Toyota forums, only to find misery aplenty...with the dealers not too helpful in solving problems or just plain nasty...
I have found 3 Bullitts within 15 miles, two Black and one Highland Green..Pricing is high $32,915..However the green one is in sight, no rebates as yet, but they are down to $29,600 and we are talking.. Reminds me of my first ride at 14, 35 Ford P/U..loud, and rough riding...They are both RWD with V-8 power..73 years of progress..
Gas mileage is not bad, no worse than the GPGT, and more fun too boot.
All three dealers also have the Shelby Mustangs in stock, and they are sure not worth the money..
My biggest stumbling block is the manual stick, but if the price gets sweeter, I will probably cave..
First of all, we know that Banks don't give a damn about the future, only what will make them money RIGHT now. Banks are not a reliable source.
Second, no one can predict the future or residual values.
Third, it is especially hard to predict the future value of lemons :lemon:
Fourth, any residual/resale value guide isn't worth the paper it's written on; come on people, it's all common sense!
Anyway, once Ford gets a different V6, an upgraded interior, and hopefully a nicer clutch, and brake which is not up too high in relationship to gas pedal height, I would say it is about a perfect car, if sold under $22K.
My lovefest with the Bullitt is overlooking the steep price and the 5spd gearbox..My next approach is an out the door price...period..I am bringing my car to the closing and a check for this amount..However prior to signing any papers I will test drive bringing the salesperson on board to witness any malfunctions. No rubber peeling exercises, for the triple digit run is to uncover any out-of-balance of running gear, tire balance, or quirks of vibration.. This is a stretch of road which blends itself for a great three mile run, been there and done that before. It's only 1 mile from the dealership..If it shakes--I walk...
My last on the floor shifting was the 59 Porsche and column shifting was a 61 Chevy..My favorite similiar car was my 71SS350 Camaro w/auto..I bought my wife an 82 Z-28 w/auto, wasn't much of a car but she liked so that was all that mattered..However being widowed I can maybe put up with the 5spd shifter..
Gas mileage is not a concern, however getting stopped by the local law folks could be a problem after a few pops..Small towns after hours creates some strange situations and people's curiosty never stops..
Gas is around $3.88 in Venice Fla..premium add .20, Fla this time of year is empty and when the kids go back to school inAugust the beachs will be empty..Love it!!
Watch Bullitt movie before you go to dealer. Unless something wrong on pre-drive, you will buy the Bullitt. Interesting that the iconic cars of the movie are back. The black Charger driven by the bad guys and the green Mustang by McQueen. These were and are real American cars. Hope that both of the present iterations are built in the US.
Had a 67 Mustang GT with high-perf package which included 289 V8 with solid lifters. Can still remember the great sounds of engine, burbling exhaust.
No movies, really don't need any additional motivation, if fact I could use some downers to abort this silly plot..
The 289 was a great powerplant and the 67 Stang was a sweetheart..
My son in Detroit about three months ago traded his stressed out 02 SLS in on 2008 Chrysler 300 Hemi and maybe I will chase a Dodge Charger Hemi next if the Bullitt chase ends..
At this stage anything is possible..except an Asian car..
The Motor City is in the dumps and I spent the last 19 mos going through a foreclosure suit on land north of Detroit..I take possession Aug 1st..Maybe the [non-permissible content removed] would like to start a warehouse facility on the 60 acres. or maybe a junk yard for SUVs and other Detroit iron.
The economy stinks, however the stock market is becoming lots of fun, the bull-bear rotation daily offers many opportunities...
Has anyone tried this bio-fuel and crankcase additive out of Canada that is available only thru the internet..Stumbled across it yesterday and sounds interesting..or maybe just a scam..Use an ounce every ten gals of gas and a couple ounces in the crankcase at oil change time..Can't remember the name, old age is showing.....It was linked to the Gas Buddy web site..
A Pontiac G8 will do 9/10ths of what the Bullitt will do, for maybe 6/10ths the price?
Bio-fuel additive? Sounds like scam central, and reminds me a bit of the "Gas Saver!!!" 0w-30 oil I saw at Wal-mart a few months ago.
Probably so for 9/10s. BUT, the Bullitt has the panache, charisma that the G8 lacks. Seems like MSRPs would be close though.
I won't buy new cars with more than say 15 miles on them. Got a Stealth new which had been test driven and transmission ruined in the process, no doubt. No more new cars which have been played with.
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You can get $15K for your used 2006 GTO that you paid $35K for 2 years ago...if you could sell it,that is, considering $4.20/gal premium gas. Buying American = steep loss.
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OW
Yes, it's that "giveaway Congress" that has to fix our broken Capitalistic system that allowed banks to come up with fantastic balloon loans to screw poor people (don't blame THIS congress for that) and the largely unregulated Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac problems (again, not the fault of THIS congress). And our kids already have to pay for the tax breaks we were given by the last congress because our broken government can't use just the money they've acquired through the existing taxes. Where'd that budget surplus go? Oh yes, the unnecessary Bush war in Iraq.
And it's all the fault of the Democrats...
If/when the Big3 need help, I would hope that our government can do what they did for Chrysler a quarter century ago and just co-sign the loans. And hopefully if/when that time comes, the people in charge of the Big3 will be able to turn their troubled ships around. If there's a modern-day Lee Iacocca among the top execs today, I have yet to see him/her.
Oil prices---they look for scrapegoats instead of looking in the mirror..Big oil--evil, spectulators---evil, sue OPEC was the left's solution...
Hudsonthedog----the left wants the country miserable, angry, and peeved before election..Global Warming is the biggest hoax ever laid before the American people. There are 1.4 billion cows and only 1 billion cars in the world..Maybe Gore should worry about fitting catalytic converters to the flatulenting herds.. The automobile is a small problem...The left has an idea that they can control the climate, really all they want to do is control your life...
At my age it ain't my problem, for I have enjoyed the freedoms of living in this great country and the opportunities available to us..Change is gradual and some day our population will wake up to the fact that their freedoms have vanished..
Universal Healthcare means no health care, a vast govt agency moving paper and providing nothing but lip-service..Look at Canada, Britian, and Europe...
Keep working, for I do enjoy the SS check, for it covers my excellent health care policies, my villa maintenance fees, groceries,booze, gas,utilities, and my daily Starbucks java.,mistake I know cause it a bigtime liberal hangout..
Still working on the Bullitt---slowly eliminating dealers due to rotten pricing quotes..Must be a vast-right wing conspiracy, Congress should pass a bill to allow everyone a car of their choice..
Everyone enjoy the day and do what pleases you...I see the 4 day work is catching on, next will be a 32 hr work week, I believe France tried that angle and bailed out..
Sorry I couldn't spend more time on cars this morning, not really focused on Bullitts today-yet..There are seven within 60 miles and some have been sunbathing for months under the Fla sun without a home..I love to pick on the dealers that have a few Shelbys collecting dust..End of August may be the prime time for my LOW-BIDS...Not in despair as yet.
I did find a plain new Mustang GT-5spd tranny that can had for around 22k., many bucks lower than the Bullitt.
Good luck finding that Bullitt.
While in many cases this may be true, it's amazing how, from the tone of your posts, you seem to root for this, as opposed to rooting for a turnaround.
And I'm sure you believe that the economy is doing as well as the Republicans would have you believe?
Can we get back to car talk here?
Now, the story must end by a complete overhauls that is just around the corner. US just does NOT make the best cars in the world and it should be. Period.
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Heck, I have a Cadillac and a Buick, each 19 and 20 years-old. I'm in no hurry to get rid of them.
If those imports are all that, why are you so willing to trade them so often? Are you worried some critical component will fail after three to five years? Heck, I should be able to get a Camry or Accord to last for fifty years if they are as hot as these import fanboys suggest.
I can't understand people who seem to root for the demise of key American industries. Even if you, personally, aren't affected, your fellow citizens and surroundings are. I'd hate to be the only guy who's doing well in a neighborhood where everybody else has just lost their jobs.
Many of those industries have been rooting for OUR demise for decades. Moving factories to foreign countries so they can pay third-world wages while still selling the products for first-world prices is NOT the American way.
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The fact that up until this year, GM was producing the horrendous GrandPrix proves my point. While my wife's 07 GP has provided 30k trouble free miles, the car car is horrible in terms of fit and finish, quality, comfort, design and refinement etc. When we go somewhere we should drive the GP for the additional fuel economy, but my 07 Expedition is so much nicer to drive and ride in, I'll pay extra to not be in a torcher chamber.
The US mfgs have a few vehicles I'd consider. Chrysler none, for GM it's be a Malibu, CTS, Corvette, and Silverado. For Ford it would be a Fusion, Mustang, F150-F350, Expedition, maybe the new MKS (it looks nice). If I was buying new I'd probably not buy any of the above, because their are to many other choices that are more appealing to me.
When I was looking to replace my Suburban (complete junk btw), I test drove a Denali XL, Yukon XL 3/4 ton, Armada, and the Expedition. Since I didn't want to buy new I was looking at used 07's and 08's. I liked how the Armada drove/performed the best, but I couldn't find a low mileage model w/o driving 3 hours. While I like the looks and performance of the Denali (not the price), I looked at 3 used 08's that were already showing signs of build quality issues. Misaligned trim pieces, door seals that were falling down, and one had horrible brake shudder at 5k miles (I know that isn't a big deal to repair). No thanks for the prices they were still asking.
Actually, I wasn't even considering the Expedition until I found a clean 07 EB for an attractive price. I drove it and was impressed by how refined and solid it felt, plus it had a h/d towing package that allows it to tow more than an of the 1/2 ton GMs without the bouncy 3/4 ton ride and handling (I do use my SUV to tow). Plus the majority of GM SUVs I was looking at were mfg in Mexico, the Expe was made in Michigan and I do prefer to buy domestic when possible. My Suburban was built in Mexico and it showed it.
I've owned makes from VW, Nissan, GM including Saturn, Chrysler, and Ford. Overall the best I've owned in terms of satisfaction were from VW and Nissan and the least satisfying have been from GM. That's my experience and really all that I can go by.
I will not stubbornly avoid GM. I will consider what they have when the next time to purchase a vehicle, but will not blindly think that GM is the only vehicle that is worth owning.
That's one thing that bothered me about the Ford Fusion. I do like the car, but when I saw on the domestic content sticker that it was made in Mexico and only around 30% US content, that just didn't set too well with me. I think I'd feel more patriotic buying a Nissan Altima that's made in the United States and is something like 60-70% US content. But, my Intrepid was built in Canada, so maybe I'm not exactly practicing what I preached. :surprise:
Where are the Malibu and Aura built?
I know GM has a plant near Kansas City that bulds the Malibu.
True about the Fusion.
The bulk of GM's hot-selling Chevy Malibu are produced at the Fairfax plant, with a lesser number of the four-door sedan being built at the automaker's Orion plant in suburban Detroit.
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(yes, I know the original title is "Point of KNOW Return").
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Sadly it maybe true.
For some reason I'm getting this mental image of "There's got to be a Morning After", played out just before the Poseidon otherwise known as GM rolls over and plays dead.
Hopefully that little mental image never comes true. :surprise:
I have NEVER rooted for the demise of the Big 3, per se...I have advocated that they are getting what they deserve because of, what I believe, was a vast amount of junk for 20-plus years...some folks bought creampuffs, but apparently many folks got burned, got burned badly, and got burned badly multiple times over the years 1975-2000...no, it ISN'T ancient history when you get burned by a vehicle make (take your pick, GM/Ford/Chrysler) in 1975, buy another in 1983, get burned again, and buy one more in 1992 and get burned again, this now becomes recent memory, going all the way back to 1975...
When any manufacturer makes junk, and suffers the consequences, we all hope that they learn their lesson...we WANT them to make the best products, but, if they don't, we find it hard to take our hard-earned money and buy their product...to simply "Buy American" if it is junk literally tells them to make more of it, since we will buy anything they make, with no demand of quality...
Buying the competitor's product has finally awakened the Big 3 to make changes in their products...why improve if you have record sales, but when you have record FALLING sales, after 30 years they finally sat up and wondered why...and they looked at Honda and Toy and Nissan and realized that their products were no longer the Sony transistor radios of the 60s with the junk moniker "made in japan"...now made in japan meant a quality product that folks preferred over the Chevy or Ford...
It was simply chutzpah, arrogance, hubris, that kept the Big 3 in their ivory towers...they have FINALLY realized that the natives are restless and we will buy a good product if they make one...but they better make it a good one, because if it falls apart in 75K miles, we will feel burned again, and we will NEVER come back, even in 100 years from now...
I want them to succeed, but they better have some humility and make a good car...they have been given one more chance by the buying public...if they blow it, they will become the Little 3...they will always be here, but they will become niche marketers instead of the dominant world force they once were...
You don't reinforce a child exhibiting bad behavior, but you praise the good behavior, and you always want the child to end up well...buying junk from the Big 3 only reinforces bad quality and lets them get away with it longer...buying the other import product simply serves notice that we will not stand for poor quality anymore...do we WANT them to die???...no, but if they won't shape up, then there really is no other alternative for them, and it is totally self-imposed...
Don't blame me, blame them...they pushed me away...
Lease was up in Jan 2005...so, we started looking in Nov, 2004...wife wanted a truck (country girl) so we went truck hunting...bought 2004 leftover, Dodge Ram pickup, 4 door, short bed, hemi engine ( the 4.7 and 5.7 engines had 100 HP difference, but the same 14 city/19 hwy mpg, so, after absorbing the $1000 extra cost of engine and 5 speed auto trans, we have 100 HP more for no more fueld cost than the small V8)...
Bought truck after Thanksgiving, almost December, kept Intrepid another few weeks and gave it back...
Intrepid performed fairly well, pretty comfortable, and avg 26-28 mpg on highway, so gas cost was admirable...
Hemi gets 19.5 on highway, 12.9 city running (painful on wallet)...however, I swear that Hemi goes from 0 to 80 in about 2 seconds...it really is amazing how fast it gets up to interstate speeds from a standing stop...
Oh, and the truck is HERS...make no mistake, the truck is hers...I get the Crown Vic...I do get the truck once weekly, when it is time to gas it up...:):):)...I feel lucky to drive it for an hour...it is almost like she looks at me and says..."Do ya feel lucky, punk???...well, do ya???"...with apologies to Dirty Harry...
And I thought I ruled this house with an iron fist...:):):):):):):)
I also had the hoses replaced, although the mechanic said I could probably get away with just a coolant flush. But those were the original hoses. He also put new front brakes on, using the higher-quality OEM parts, rather than the cheap $30 brakes I tended to put on the car when I'd do it myself.
I'm into the car about $940 so far this year. Earlier on I had the spark plugs replaced, power steering fluid changed, and something else I'm forgetting now. All I remember is that the total came to about $382. Damn, that's going to bug me now until I remember what the third thing was! Then, a few months later, the car started stalling out at random, and I had to have the camshaft and crankshaft position sensors replaced, and a vacuum line fixed. That was a bit over $500. Oh, and I had to replace a headlight bulb.
The a/c is starting to die again though, so the bleeding for 2008 is not over yet. Still, it's cheaper than a new car payment, pretty comfortable, and I've actually been able to break 32 mpg on the highway if I go easy on it.
I've thought occasionally about getting a new car, but I'll probably hold off as long as the Trep is fairly reliable. I'm also starting to rotate through my older cars more often, to keep them from killing batteries, getting flat spots on the tires, etc, so I doubt if that Trep will see 4-5K miles this year. Hopefully it should last awhile, still.
That's interesting that the two motors 4.7 and 5.7 had the same fuel mileage. A friend bought a Hemi Durango a few short years back because the salesman promised him he could return it during the first 6 months and the salesman would give him what he paid for it toward a smaller motored car... Guess what, the salesman didn't remember that when our friend went back to exchange!!!
But the neighbor went to inner city Chicago a few weekends ago on a girl scout trip, and the transmission acted up _again_ so they went to the nearest inner city Chrysler dealer where they promptly traded it for a new Chrysler Aspen with the smaller motor. My point is he says this SUV gets much better mileage for them.
A key point is his wife is an all the way person. She guns the car like she stole it all the time. Apparently a normal driver can get similar mileage from both motors although that seems against the laws of nature.
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I admire you for keeping the 'Trep alive like that. At 141K miles, I'd figure the car has already served me well and it's time to move on. I guess it's kind of fun seeing how far you can get it to go if you don't mind spending a little here and there to prod it along.
You mention the crankshaft sensors. My local mechanic diagnosed that on my Park Ave as I have a lit CEL on my dashboard. The car was running fine and he told me not to bother, but now I'm getting random stall-outs. I guess it's time to get it looked at.