driver.....how about a book about how I know all the "Dirty Little Car Buying Secrets That the Dealer Doesn't Want You To Know".
Is there a market for a book like that I can get published? :P
Richard, if I'm not mistaken, I think the Grand Cherokee has a new, total redesign coming out next model year. Don't know about the Liberty, though. I know my younger sister has one. She's had it since they first came out. Can't remember the model year, though.
I also don't recall her ever complaining about it, either.
I haven't looked at Chryco vehicles very closely the last several years, outside of seeing them at the auto shows, and what I read about in these threads.
All I do know about Chrysler is that Fiat has started production of the 500 in Mexico already. And, that those will be hitting Chrysler showrooms within the next few months (2011?).
FWIW, it seems like I'm seeing a whole lot of new PT Cruisers on the road here recently, too. Don't know why because I thought Chrysler stopped making them. Obviously, I'm mistaken.
The no reserve and free shipping got lots of interest. People smelled a steal.
I guess its human nature to want something for nothing but like I said before, when my Son put his tires/rims on Ebay he put a reserve on them at $180 (sold them for $242.50). However, he said that he was NOT paying shipping but that did not discourage bidding. Once the tires/rims were sold he and the buyer were in email communication and my Son found out that the shipping for the 4 tires/rims were going to be about $120 through UPS. The buyer said, “fine, wrap them up”. He bundled 2 tires/rims together and each bundle was around 70 pounds.
While at a party for a relative last night, we got to talking about, what else, cars, and I told him he really screwed up paying to ship two 70 pound packages and he questioned me on this saying, “how so”?. I said, “look, there was least 30 pounds of air in each of those tires, so if you let out the air you would have only had to pay for shipping two 10 pound packages; maybe even less”. You should have seen the look on his face.
One they way home last night his mother said, “why didn’t he know to do what you said”? About the time I pulled into the driveway, I think I finally got it explained. :confuse:
Talking about tires if I told you guys what I just dropped for 4 tires OTD for the Genny on Tuesday you’d croke. Just like I did.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Actually, there's not much difference between Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, Chili's, or any other of those bistro-style chain restaurants. Lately, I've preferred local diners.
For once, we are in complete agreement on something.
Here's something else that should please you: my daughter swapped her '05 Acura TL (actually, she gave it to her husband) for a new Cadillac SRX. Back pain dictated the move; she couldn't comfortably get into & out of the TL.
She simply couldn't be happier. I've driven the SRX & like it more than I thought I would. As a result, the CTS has nailed a spot on the short list of cars that I'll consider when I replace my BMW next year.
how about a book about how I know all the "Dirty Little Car Buying Secrets That the Dealer Doesn't Want You To Know".
GG, Get it self published and take it door to door. Or go to the busiest corner in town and try selling it there.
I think the Grand Cherokee has a new, total redesign coming out next model year.
Yes, I just read that in the automotive section of todays newspaper. Lots of improvements. For example: This midsize SUV seats five and shares elements of its basic design with the Mercedes-Benz M-Class. This means Grand Cherokee moves to crossover-style unibody construction from a traditional truck-type design. See more at: 2011 Jeep Cherokee
Might actually get Richard into something closer to a Mercedes!!
She simply couldn't be happier. I've driven the SRX & like it more than I thought I would. As a result, the CTS has nailed a spot on the short list of cars that I'll consider when I replace my BMW next year.
You are going to make lemko have an accident!
After awhile, when we went to parties, I just said I was a street sweeper.
Get over here! My street's a mess!
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
Richard, what other SUVs are you considering besides the Jeep? Also, what criteria do you have? It sounds like a rear camera is high on the list along with heated seats.
My neighbor has had a Liberty for a few years but it's mostly used for commuting. No offroading or anything like that; they also have a minivan & use that for family hauling/trips.
To blend topics, I purchased a V6 Mitsubishi Outlander GT this past December. As of this morning it has almost 4300 miles. Some comparisons Liberty / Outlander: Engine: 3.7L V6 @ 210HP / 3L V6 @ 230HP Trans: 4 speed / 6 speed AWD: 4WD w/trail mode / AWD with Road, Snow & 4WD lock modes. MPG w/AWD: 15/21 / 18/24 (Premium is recommended but not required; I've run 1 tank of premium, some regular, and mostly midgrade and honestly couldn't see any difference in power or economy between the three) Weight (pounds) w/AWD: 4290 / 3780 Ground clearance (inches): 7.8 / 8.5 Turning diameter (feet): 35.5 / 34.8 NHTSA ratings: 5* except 3* on rollover / 5* except 4* on rollover Storage (2nd row stowed): 62.7 cu ft / 72.6 and 2nd row goes flat Seating: 5 / 7 - Admittedly the Outlander's 3rd row is tight but I've now used it a couple of times, once with an adult and recently with an adult & a child seat. Premium audio system: 368 watt, 8 speakers / 710 watt, 9 speakers Gloveboxes & cupholders: 1 & apparently 2 up front, can't tell about 2nd row / 2 & 5 up front, 4 second row, 2 3rd row Warranty (b-to-b & powertrain): 3/36 and 5/100 w/free towing / 5/60 w/free roadside assistance and 10/100
You might also want to compare maintenance schedules to estimate operating expenses. I don't know what the Jeep requires but Mitsu is now 6 months or 7500 miles between oil changes and uses a timing chain so there's no gotcha at 60K.
IMO the Liberty looks more rugged on the outside while the Outlander looks more sporty. On the interiors, the Liberty looks dated to me. Not even the presence of a nav screen can make it look modern. It also looks like they took a "this goes here" mentality as I don't see a natural flow from piece to piece; things like door speakers bulge out where they could be smooth. The Outlander w/nav is very clean and modern from a controls perspective.
I'll grant that, similarly equipped, the Liberty is less expensive but I find the Outlander to be a better package overall. Some of the little extras: - Clamshell tailgate. There are several benefits including a flat loading surface, the upper hatch can close while the lower is open allowing lumber to extend with support without needing the upper area to be partly or all the way open, and the lower portion is great when tailgating. - Aluminum roof. Shifts center of gravity lower giving the Outlander very good handling characteristics (2nd only to BMW in the slalom). - S-AWC can spin the front left, front right, and rear wheels at different speeds to gain/maintain traction. This is an adaptation of the Evo's system which can spin all 4 wheels at different speeds. - Idle Neutral Logic shifts into neutral when you've come to a complete stop, improving fuel economy. - Load-leveling headlights let you adjust the headlight angle down to compensate for when you've weighted down the cargo area or are towing. - HIDs and LED tail lights are brighter, faster, and more power-efficient than regular bulbs. - Rain-sensing wipers come on and auto0adjust speed to accommodate anything from a mist to a downpour. Rain-sense replaces the intermittent setting; normal low & high speed are still there. - Traffic reporting in the nav system is free. Very cool; it puts red lines around construction zones. There's also lane guidance to show & tell you when you need to be towards the right or left.
And, what's with the Jeep web site? Go to the specs and you get a list of options but virtually no numbers. No actual specifications; just nice pics showing what the specs would be for if they actually provided them. I get better, well actual, data from the downloaded brochure.
Over the past week I've put about 1000 miles on the Outlander as we've had to travel due to family health problems. I've managed 24-25MPG cruising at 75-80MPH so I've no reason to believe that if I could stay at or under the speed limit it would do even better.
When my wife was a R.E. Agent she had a lot ot "joyriders" too.
They would ask to see houses they had no intension of buying.
She once spent countless days driving a couple everywhere looking at houses. In the end, they walked into an Open House in an area they said they would nver consider and they bought it from the agent who had the open house.
Tell me...I'll take my chances, it can't be more than run flats for a BMW.
I’m sure you’re right and I could have gone with run flats but I know they would be harder riding so I didn’t go that route. You being a guy that drives a car more for handling than a smooth ride wouldn’t care about that but I do.
Anyway here’s the run down for four Bridgestone Turanza Serenity P235/R50-18 (97W, UTOG 440 AA A rating, 45K tread wear rating):
Mounted, lifetime balancing, lifetime alignment, road hazard warranty, taxes: $1354.82 minus a $100 American Express Gift Card (mail in rebate to get this). Whooppee, what a deal.
'graph'...I really like your numbers better. A lot better !!!!
I know, I could have bought less expensive tires but over on the Genesis forum a guy said he liked these tires and since I was leaning this way anyhoo, I bit.
I’ve been up and down the PA Turnpike yesterday round trip (40 miles) and again this morning and they are balanced perfectly, the car tracks a little better due to the alignment, they are every bit as road hugging, quiet and smooth riding as the OEM Dunlops.
Why do you need new tires....after only one year.
Because the OEM Dunlops were a POS. I got almost 15K out of them and I don’t think that’s anywhere close to what I should have gotten yet each tire store I went to said, “that’s about what you can expect from a performance tire around here”. Well, they always say that but I expect more than that. If these new ones don’t hold up, their replacements will be concrete wrapped with friction tape. :sick:
You peeling and doing donuts around the neighborhood.
Do I post like a guy that would do something like that during daylight hours? The answer is NO, double NO but with the mileage I got out of those Dunlops, I’d have a hard time proving that. :mad:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Dang, that's some pricey rubber. So did you go with Tire Rack on that purchase or just get them at the place that installed them? Those puppies are $212 each on Tire Rack and I have no idea what you paid on the installation but I hope you didn't get gouged too bad.
This pretty much applies to most Chrysler vehicles, but especially the GC which has been a lame duck for almost 3 years. You can get fantastic deals on them. Did you drive the V6 GCL or the V8 Hemi? The Hemi will help your lead right foot like it a lot more. You'll be astonished that the gas mileage isn't that much worse than the V6.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
"This means Grand Cherokee moves to crossover-style unibody construction from a traditional truck-type design. "
Hum, where did this come from? I had the '99 and '00 version on the Jeep Grand Cherokee. That version had unibody construction. Is crossover-style unibody different than standard Unibody? I think of the old frame style construction when someone says "traditional truck-type design".
I had the '99 and '00 version on the Jeep Grand Cherokee. That version had unibody construction.
Jeeps have had uni-body construction for a long time, my 1995 had it too. I think this is a stronger type of uni-body construction. Read about the improvements to the 2011 Jeep and you will be impressed. Maybe they were talking about an improved uni-body construction:
The 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee’s ruggedness is achieved with more than 5,400 welds in the body alone. Torsional stiffness is 146% more than the current Grand Cherokee and is stiffer than the BMW X5 and Toyota Highlander for improved durability and reduced noise, vibration, and harshness. With more than 3,700 mm of arc welding and 100 m of structural adhesive to augment welding, this marks a 53% increase in spot welds, a 42% increase in arc welds, and a 38% increase in structural adhesive
Good info on the GC, but I will pass. Chrysler/Jeep lost us as customers with problems with the earlier ones. Then they would not step up and correct problems that were design and mfg faults. So, we are out of them forever. Most recent purchase is a 2008 Saturn Outlook XR. I don't offroad so I think it is a much better choice for me than the GC. Just my opinion.
So did you go with Tire Rack on that purchase or just get them at the place that installed them? Those puppies are $212 each on Tire Rack and I have no idea what you paid on the installation but I hope you didn't get gouged too bad.
I looked at Tire Rack first and I saw their price. I also did some research on Tire Rack but I went to the local Firestone store and paid $218 a piece. I didn’t get gouged on the tire price, given I would have had to pay $52 for shipping with Tire Rack. The Tire Rack price for the road hazard was $25 and change and I paid $32 and change. So, I actually broke even with the more expensive road hazard (buying locally) but not having to pay shipping (buying locally). Just a coincidence, I guess.
As for the total package which was my choice for the lifetime balancing and lifetime alignment. The lifetime alignment was on sale until the end of this month for $120 vs. $150. A one time alignment would have been $50 and I know I will at least break even with the lifetime alignment. Tire Rack has local tire installers but I wouldn’t have saved anything there and might have paid even more for the mounting and lifetime balancing depending on what store I went to locally for that
Taxes? Yeah, I would have saved by not paying taxes with Tire Rack but I wanted a total package from one guy. No finger pointing if something wasn’t done right. I’m not going to put up with that. So, all said and done, once I was willing to bite the bullet on the price of the tires I don’t think it was too bad for a quality tire.
If Edmunds has a forum for “prices paid for tires” and I went over there, I’m sure I will find out I got screwed and slammed like a baby seal just like car buyers find out after they buy. I wasn’t trying to save the last penny but I was trying to get a very good tire. Time will tell.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
If Edmunds has a forum for “prices paid for tires” and I went over there, I’m sure I will find out I got screwed and slammed like a baby seal just like car buyers find out after they buy. I wasn’t trying to save the last penny but I was trying to get a very good tire. Time will tell.
So you mean you got clubbed !! I just paid $350 for all 4 of those tires with road hazard and lifetime balance and mount at my local shade tree shady mechanic/tire store !!! :P Ya right !! :shades:
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EDIT: I see a few people beat me to this suggestion but here it is anyways:
Richard,
There's a new totally redesigned Grand Cherokee coming out this spring.summer, so you might want to wait for that if you're in no hurry. I would strongly advise you to check it out.
I guess it happens to RE agents too. I read about an agent that was hired to sell someone's property, excpet that someone had unrelaistc expectations about the value, and after a year the property never sold. The RE Agent invested her time and money advertising the prpoerty, printing flyers, ads, open houses, only for the seller to drop her after a year. :mad:
Anyone contemplating the 2011 GC should remember that this is the first year for the remake. They have been having problems with suppliers and parts which delayed the release. The service techs will have absolutely no clue on fixing the problems that will occur. Do yourself a favor and buy the 2010 or wait a few years to let them work the gremlins out of the vehicle. Once you get past routine maintenance anything having to do with repairs could be a nightmare. Do you feel lucky ? Well do you punk? If you do, then camp out at the dealer to buy one of the first ones off the truck at 5k over msrp. [you've heard of the market adjustment sticker haven't you?]
Typically, when they say totally redesigned, what exactly do they mean? New platform, engine, trans, electrical, cooling, suspension, design, etc. I would think a lot of components would still be the same. :confuse:
There are two ways to look at a redesigned model. Buy a leftover one in the color you want, the options you want, at a reduced price or get the newer model when it becomes available.
This one is an all new model with new platform, engines, suspensions, interiors, etc.
It's unfortunate that manufacturers abused this "redesigned" term by calling old facelifted models as being newly redesienged when in fact they haven't been. To the unsuspecting joe and jane carbuyer that buys a car as a transport appliance every 6 years this might sound appealing, but to the rest of us it means nothing other than a new grille and a option package.
Beautiful cabin. Make sure you have the service advisor on speed dial. From the looks of the seat, you better have a real skinny right thigh. That center stack really intrudes on your leg room not to mention the cupholder on the door. My knee hurts just looking at it. Hopefully it's distorted by the photo because that is a big dealbreaker no matter how reliable the truck turns out to be.
Oh, I was just using that as an example. I have owned five Buicks over the years. I enjoyed them all with the exception of the '83 Skylark. It was a :lemon: built on a Friday. The catalytic converter fell out in the street a week after we bought it. Two weeks later the radio died and a new one had to be ordered. After a year, the paint began to chip off. Warranty paid for a new paint job. We drove it for three years (those 36 month payment days) and traded it for an '86 Chevy Blazer which I enjoyed until a lady ran a stop sign and totaled it in 1989. That was the day that I purchased my favorite car of all time---a new Lincoln Towncar. I drove it for seven years and 150K trouble free miles. Nothing will ever top it. People can say what they wish about memories being clouded, but we often remarked when we owned it that it was the greatest car ever made. I finally gave in and traded the Lincoln for a '96 Jeep Cherokee---emerald green with a red stripe and tan interior. It was a buckboard. We never enjoyed it. I traded it for a 2000 Tahoe which became my second favorite car of all time. It was the only car that I ever leased. I won't do that again. If I had done the usual purchase, I might still have the Tahoe. Buying it after the 36 month lease was going to be too much money in one car. I just turned it in and bought that horrible POS called a Cadillac. That was my worst car of all time. I'll stop here. I didn't realize that I was doing my car history. There were other cars before 1983 and several since 2000. We'll save those for another day.
Oh, hell yes. I can identify with your plight. How many students used to tell me that they were going to be the next great American novelist. :surprise: I once taught a creative writing course. One of my students, a lady in her mid-40's, would bring me a new chapter of her book at practically every class meeting. After the first two chapters, I pretended that I had read the others. :shades: Thank heavens the course ended before she completed the book. Her husband was military and they moved before the next semester began. I often wondered what poor professor had to finish "reading her book". The plot centered around her military travels, as if other people in the military never traveled. :sick: Her grade in the course? A "C" which was a Christmas gift from me.
I was hoping that you might chime in and give me your opinion. That's exactly what my wife wants---easy park and zippy with some cargo space. That's why she loved her old CRV. I am often reminded that I "gave away" her favorite car. I've got to make it right this time.
Well spend 2-3 months of intense studying for a 20 hour accounting test which is considered one of the hardest professional tests to take and see what you do when done.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
one thing those explorers are good for is to get your kid to decide what university they want to commit to. i told egghead yesterday, either pick a school or clean up the interior of the explorer. she decided to pick a school. making that final decision can be tough, although we said if you don't like the school, you can transfer. the new car angle which would save up some money didn't fly. we are ok with that.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
Richard, how much are you looking to spend? On my recent car-buying journey, I drove the Infiniti EX35 and absolutely loved it. Definitely would be zippy and easy to park; it has the rear-view camera too, with a full 360-degree view.
The back seat however is only barely usable for adults. Not a problem if it's usually just the two of you; you could just leave the seats folded flat and use the cargo space. The cargo area is adequate. It would be fine for two adults traveling with the usual complement of suitcases and such for vacation.
It was basically like driving my 350Z but with some utility thrown in. I decided it just didn't have the space we needed to transport our two dogs, plus luggage, but I really loved driving it.
The FX45 would be a little bigger, but the same basic idea.
Both of them are having super deals right now, although that's discounted off a fairly high starting price.
If that sort of thing is not what you have in mind - I'm biased because I just bought one, but would you consider a Volvo wagon? I bought the V70; the V50 is also nice, a bit smaller, maybe easier to park if that's an issue for you. Tons of safety features, beautiful cabin with the Premium package (leather and moonroof). Not exactly what I'd call "fun" to drive, but very, very pleasant. Most comfortable seats of any car I've ever owned.
Thanks so much for the heads up on the 2011 model. It looks really nice. The exterior design doesn't really look that different to me from the 2010. The cabin seems attractive and well appointed. Then there is the question of buying the 2010 for less money with the kinks worked out. Also, we'll be trying out other models. The nice thing is that we have plenty of time to make the decision.
Don't put that off on me. I don't publish books and I'm through reading the next great American novel. Can you imagine how interesting it would be to read a novel written by an accountant? Tax Tricks for Tuckered Dummies? How to Cheat on Your Taxes and Look Innocent? The Snake Guide to Slithering Under Government Radar? No thanks. I had rather read the travels of the military wife. :P (Snake, I'm just kidding around. At least you are direct and to the point. Many writers don't know how to achieve that quality.)
You could have gotten the Kuhmos with a UTOG of 600 and a 60k warranty for $150 or the Continentals (UTOG 540) for $169 at the rack. Of couse it is plus shipping and mounting. But if you like the tire and the deal then you should be happy.
Man! That was so nice of you to blend the two topics for me. I appreciate all of that time and effort. You know your research. The style of the Outlander isn't for me, though it seems like a very nice ride for the money. You asked what other SUV's were under consideration. Here is the list with no special order: Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, Jeep Liberty Limited, Chrysler Aspen, Honda Pilot, Honda CRV, GMC Acadia, Chevrolet Tahoe, Ford Explorer, and Mercury Mountaineer. The list is based solely on looks---not engine, gas mileage, stability, performance, etc. We've owned the Tahoe, Jeep, Honda CRV, and Ford Explorer. The Jeep was our least favorite. The Tahoe was our favorite from this list. It would be a simple solution if my wife was willing to drive something as big as the Tahoe again. She's leaning toward something smaller. We both do agree that this list contains what we are willing to consider. Prices are flexible. We are blessed after all of these years to now have money and property coming in from deceased relatives. Wish we had received some during our "peanut butter and jelly" days of teaching. Then again, we wouldn't have had our loved ones around. I'm not sure yet where we are in the process, but we are enjoying looking at various models. Thanks again for your input.
Now, Richard, far be it from me to offer marital advice (though as we approach 25 years in June I'm starting to think I have some clue but tomorrow that could change - not the being married - just the confidence...) but if the Mrs. still complains that you sold her beloved CR-V you might want to at least consider looking at a CR-V. I will grant you this opens the "the last generation CR-V was better!" can of worms but what the hey....
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
That is a difficult question to answer. For the first time in my life, I can afford most any car that I desire. That has only come about within the last six months. I have been so careful with money for so many years that I can't change my ways now. We recently purchased a $3K rug for our Florida room. We had wanted that rug for ten years. I felt guilty writing the check. My wife keeps telling me that we can now enjoy life a little more. I'm afraid that old habits are hard to break.
As for the new car, I've set a mental limit of $40K. Writing a check for that amount scares me half to death. Still, I want her to have something nice and safe. She left behind a life of grace and ease 43 years ago to marry a guy who just wanted to teach school. Never once has she complained about what we didn't have. Like me, she worked hard for 40 years. It's her turn to enjoy. We've both agreed that $40K is enough to put into an automobile at this point in our lives. We have other thngs that we want to do as well.
I know that you are enjoying your new purchase. Also, I know that you and your husband deserve it. Like me, you were a school teacher. You know what a dollar means.
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Is there a market for a book like that I can get published? :P
Richard, if I'm not mistaken, I think the Grand Cherokee has a new, total redesign coming out next model year. Don't know about the Liberty, though. I know my younger sister has one. She's had it since they first came out. Can't remember the model year, though.
I also don't recall her ever complaining about it, either.
I haven't looked at Chryco vehicles very closely the last several years, outside of seeing them at the auto shows, and what I read about in these threads.
All I do know about Chrysler is that Fiat has started production of the 500 in Mexico already. And, that those will be hitting Chrysler showrooms within the next few months (2011?).
FWIW, it seems like I'm seeing a whole lot of new PT Cruisers on the road here recently, too. Don't know why because I thought Chrysler stopped making them. Obviously, I'm mistaken.
I guess its human nature to want something for nothing but like I said before, when my Son put his tires/rims on Ebay he put a reserve on them at $180 (sold them for $242.50). However, he said that he was NOT paying shipping but that did not discourage bidding. Once the tires/rims were sold he and the buyer were in email communication and my Son found out that the shipping for the 4 tires/rims were going to be about $120 through UPS. The buyer said, “fine, wrap them up”. He bundled 2 tires/rims together and each bundle was around 70 pounds.
While at a party for a relative last night, we got to talking about, what else, cars, and I told him he really screwed up paying to ship two 70 pound packages and he questioned me on this saying, “how so”?. I said, “look, there was least 30 pounds of air in each of those tires, so if you let out the air you would have only had to pay for shipping two 10 pound packages; maybe even less”. You should have seen the look on his face.
One they way home last night his mother said, “why didn’t he know to do what you said”? About the time I pulled into the driveway, I think I finally got it explained. :confuse:
Talking about tires if I told you guys what I just dropped for 4 tires OTD for the Genny on Tuesday you’d croke. Just like I did.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
For once, we are in complete agreement on something.
Here's something else that should please you: my daughter swapped her '05 Acura TL (actually, she gave it to her husband) for a new Cadillac SRX. Back pain dictated the move; she couldn't comfortably get into & out of the TL.
She simply couldn't be happier. I've driven the SRX & like it more than I thought I would. As a result, the CTS has nailed a spot on the short list of cars that I'll consider when I replace my BMW next year.
Tell me...I'll take my chances, it can't be more than run flats for a BMW.
Why do you need new tires....after only one year. You peeling and doing donuts around the neighborhood.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I'm guessing you're somewhere in that $800-$900 range?
GG, Get it self published and take it door to door. Or go to the busiest corner in town and try selling it there.
I think the Grand Cherokee has a new, total redesign coming out next model year.
Yes, I just read that in the automotive section of todays newspaper. Lots of improvements.
For example: This midsize SUV seats five and shares elements of its basic design with the Mercedes-Benz M-Class. This means Grand Cherokee moves to crossover-style unibody construction from a traditional truck-type design.
See more at:
2011 Jeep Cherokee
Might actually get Richard into something closer to a Mercedes!!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
You are going to make lemko have an accident!
After awhile, when we went to parties, I just said I was a street sweeper.
Get over here! My street's a mess!
My neighbor has had a Liberty for a few years but it's mostly used for commuting. No offroading or anything like that; they also have a minivan & use that for family hauling/trips.
To blend topics, I purchased a V6 Mitsubishi Outlander GT this past December. As of this morning it has almost 4300 miles. Some comparisons Liberty / Outlander:
Engine: 3.7L V6 @ 210HP / 3L V6 @ 230HP
Trans: 4 speed / 6 speed
AWD: 4WD w/trail mode / AWD with Road, Snow & 4WD lock modes.
MPG w/AWD: 15/21 / 18/24 (Premium is recommended but not required; I've run 1 tank of premium, some regular, and mostly midgrade and honestly couldn't see any difference in power or economy between the three)
Weight (pounds) w/AWD: 4290 / 3780
Ground clearance (inches): 7.8 / 8.5
Turning diameter (feet): 35.5 / 34.8
NHTSA ratings: 5* except 3* on rollover / 5* except 4* on rollover
Storage (2nd row stowed): 62.7 cu ft / 72.6 and 2nd row goes flat
Seating: 5 / 7 - Admittedly the Outlander's 3rd row is tight but I've now used it a couple of times, once with an adult and recently with an adult & a child seat.
Premium audio system: 368 watt, 8 speakers / 710 watt, 9 speakers
Gloveboxes & cupholders: 1 & apparently 2 up front, can't tell about 2nd row / 2 & 5 up front, 4 second row, 2 3rd row
Warranty (b-to-b & powertrain): 3/36 and 5/100 w/free towing / 5/60 w/free roadside assistance and 10/100
You might also want to compare maintenance schedules to estimate operating expenses. I don't know what the Jeep requires but Mitsu is now 6 months or 7500 miles between oil changes and uses a timing chain so there's no gotcha at 60K.
IMO the Liberty looks more rugged on the outside while the Outlander looks more sporty. On the interiors, the Liberty looks dated to me. Not even the presence of a nav screen can make it look modern. It also looks like they took a "this goes here" mentality as I don't see a natural flow from piece to piece; things like door speakers bulge out where they could be smooth. The Outlander w/nav is very clean and modern from a controls perspective.
I'll grant that, similarly equipped, the Liberty is less expensive but I find the Outlander to be a better package overall. Some of the little extras:
- Clamshell tailgate. There are several benefits including a flat loading surface, the upper hatch can close while the lower is open allowing lumber to extend with support without needing the upper area to be partly or all the way open, and the lower portion is great when tailgating.
- Aluminum roof. Shifts center of gravity lower giving the Outlander very good handling characteristics (2nd only to BMW in the slalom).
- S-AWC can spin the front left, front right, and rear wheels at different speeds to gain/maintain traction. This is an adaptation of the Evo's system which can spin all 4 wheels at different speeds.
- Idle Neutral Logic shifts into neutral when you've come to a complete stop, improving fuel economy.
- Load-leveling headlights let you adjust the headlight angle down to compensate for when you've weighted down the cargo area or are towing.
- HIDs and LED tail lights are brighter, faster, and more power-efficient than regular bulbs.
- Rain-sensing wipers come on and auto0adjust speed to accommodate anything from a mist to a downpour. Rain-sense replaces the intermittent setting; normal low & high speed are still there.
- Traffic reporting in the nav system is free. Very cool; it puts red lines around construction zones. There's also lane guidance to show & tell you when you need to be towards the right or left.
And, what's with the Jeep web site? Go to the specs and you get a list of options but virtually no numbers. No actual specifications; just nice pics showing what the specs would be for if they actually provided them. I get better, well actual, data from the downloaded brochure.
Over the past week I've put about 1000 miles on the Outlander as we've had to travel due to family health problems. I've managed 24-25MPG cruising at 75-80MPH so I've no reason to believe that if I could stay at or under the speed limit it would do even better.
They would ask to see houses they had no intension of buying.
She once spent countless days driving a couple everywhere looking at houses. In the end, they walked into an Open House in an area they said they would nver consider and they bought it from the agent who had the open house.
I’m sure you’re right and I could have gone with run flats but I know they would be harder riding so I didn’t go that route. You being a guy that drives a car more for handling than a smooth ride wouldn’t care about that but I do.
Anyway here’s the run down for four Bridgestone Turanza Serenity P235/R50-18 (97W, UTOG 440 AA A rating, 45K tread wear rating):
Mounted, lifetime balancing, lifetime alignment, road hazard warranty, taxes: $1354.82 minus a $100 American Express Gift Card (mail in rebate to get this). Whooppee, what a deal.
'graph'...I really like your numbers better. A lot better !!!!
I know, I could have bought less expensive tires but over on the Genesis forum a guy said he liked these tires and since I was leaning this way anyhoo, I bit.
I’ve been up and down the PA Turnpike yesterday round trip (40 miles) and again this morning and they are balanced perfectly, the car tracks a little better due to the alignment, they are every bit as road hugging, quiet and smooth riding as the OEM Dunlops.
Why do you need new tires....after only one year.
Because the OEM Dunlops were a POS. I got almost 15K out of them and I don’t think that’s anywhere close to what I should have gotten yet each tire store I went to said, “that’s about what you can expect from a performance tire around here”. Well, they always say that but I expect more than that. If these new ones don’t hold up, their replacements will be concrete wrapped with friction tape. :sick:
You peeling and doing donuts around the neighborhood.
Do I post like a guy that would do something like that during daylight hours? The answer is NO, double NO but with the mileage I got out of those Dunlops, I’d have a hard time proving that. :mad:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Dang, that's some pricey rubber. So did you go with Tire Rack on that purchase or just get them at the place that installed them? Those puppies are $212 each on Tire Rack and I have no idea what you paid on the installation but I hope you didn't get gouged too bad.
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Hum, where did this come from? I had the '99 and '00 version on the Jeep Grand Cherokee. That version had unibody construction. Is crossover-style unibody different than standard Unibody? I think of the old frame style construction when someone says "traditional truck-type design".
Jeeps have had uni-body construction for a long time, my 1995 had it too. I think this is a stronger type of uni-body construction. Read about the improvements to the 2011 Jeep and you will be impressed. Maybe they were talking about an improved uni-body construction:
The 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee’s ruggedness is achieved with more than 5,400 welds in the body alone. Torsional stiffness is 146% more than the current Grand Cherokee and is stiffer than the BMW X5 and Toyota Highlander for improved durability and reduced noise, vibration, and harshness. With more than 3,700 mm of arc welding and 100 m of structural adhesive to augment welding, this marks a 53% increase in spot welds, a 42% increase in arc welds, and a 38% increase in structural adhesive
Very good article on the 2011 GC:
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And here I thought it was just me. :surprise:
So did you go with Tire Rack on that purchase or just get them at the place that installed them? Those puppies are $212 each on Tire Rack and I have no idea what you paid on the installation but I hope you didn't get gouged too bad.
I looked at Tire Rack first and I saw their price. I also did some research on Tire Rack but I went to the local Firestone store and paid $218 a piece. I didn’t get gouged on the tire price, given I would have had to pay $52 for shipping with Tire Rack. The Tire Rack price for the road hazard was $25 and change and I paid $32 and change. So, I actually broke even with the more expensive road hazard (buying locally) but not having to pay shipping (buying locally). Just a coincidence, I guess.
As for the total package which was my choice for the lifetime balancing and lifetime alignment. The lifetime alignment was on sale until the end of this month for $120 vs. $150. A one time alignment would have been $50 and I know I will at least break even with the lifetime alignment. Tire Rack has local tire installers but I wouldn’t have saved anything there and might have paid even more for the mounting and lifetime balancing depending on what store I went to locally for that
Taxes? Yeah, I would have saved by not paying taxes with Tire Rack but I wanted a total package from one guy. No finger pointing if something wasn’t done right. I’m not going to put up with that. So, all said and done, once I was willing to bite the bullet on the price of the tires I don’t think it was too bad for a quality tire.
If Edmunds has a forum for “prices paid for tires” and I went over there, I’m sure I will find out I got screwed and slammed like a baby seal just like car buyers find out after they buy. I wasn’t trying to save the last penny but I was trying to get a very good tire. Time will tell.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
So you mean you got clubbed !! I just paid $350 for all 4 of those tires with road hazard and lifetime balance and mount at my local shade tree shady mechanic/tire store !!! :P Ya right !! :shades:
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There's a new totally redesigned Grand Cherokee coming out this spring.summer, so you might want to wait for that if you're in no hurry. I would strongly advise you to check it out.
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Typically, when they say totally redesigned, what exactly do they mean? New platform, engine, trans, electrical, cooling, suspension, design, etc. I would think a lot of components would still be the same. :confuse:
It's all in your own, personal value system.
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It's unfortunate that manufacturers abused this "redesigned" term by calling old facelifted models as being newly redesienged when in fact they haven't been. To the unsuspecting joe and jane carbuyer that buys a car as a transport appliance every 6 years this might sound appealing, but to the rest of us it means nothing other than a new grille and a option package.
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Most people won't bring the cars in unless they notice the car isn't handling right or the tires are wearing.
Then they get the chance to sell you shocks, ball joints or other front end parts which may or may not be needed.
Richard
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Well spend 2-3 months of intense studying for a 20 hour accounting test which is considered one of the hardest professional tests to take and see what you do when done.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
i told egghead yesterday, either pick a school or clean up the interior of the explorer.
she decided to pick a school. making that final decision can be tough, although we said if you don't like the school, you can transfer.
the new car angle which would save up some money didn't fly.
we are ok with that.
The back seat however is only barely usable for adults. Not a problem if it's usually just the two of you; you could just leave the seats folded flat and use the cargo space. The cargo area is adequate. It would be fine for two adults traveling with the usual complement of suitcases and such for vacation.
It was basically like driving my 350Z but with some utility thrown in. I decided it just didn't have the space we needed to transport our two dogs, plus luggage, but I really loved driving it.
The FX45 would be a little bigger, but the same basic idea.
Both of them are having super deals right now, although that's discounted off a fairly high starting price.
If that sort of thing is not what you have in mind - I'm biased because I just bought one, but would you consider a Volvo wagon? I bought the V70; the V50 is also nice, a bit smaller, maybe easier to park if that's an issue for you. Tons of safety features, beautiful cabin with the Premium package (leather and moonroof). Not exactly what I'd call "fun" to drive, but very, very pleasant. Most comfortable seats of any car I've ever owned.
Thanks so much for the heads up on the 2011 model. It looks really nice. The exterior design doesn't really look that different to me from the 2010. The cabin seems attractive and well appointed. Then there is the question of buying the 2010 for less money with the kinks worked out. Also, we'll be trying out other models. The nice thing is that we have plenty of time to make the decision.
Richard
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If it is about your life as an accountant......find a good vanity publisher, and stick to your day job.
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Richard
They seem to offer automatic parking now. Even better than a rear view camera!
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Richard
Pretty good list you've got there. I imagine you'll do all right.
Why would I want to bore people to death?
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That is a difficult question to answer. For the first time in my life, I can afford most any car that I desire. That has only come about within the last six months. I have been so careful with money for so many years that I can't change my ways now. We recently purchased a $3K rug for our Florida room. We had wanted that rug for ten years. I felt guilty writing the check. My wife keeps telling me that we can now enjoy life a little more. I'm afraid that old habits are hard to break.
As for the new car, I've set a mental limit of $40K. Writing a check for that amount scares me half to death. Still, I want her to have something nice and safe. She left behind a life of grace and ease 43 years ago to marry a guy who just wanted to teach school. Never once has she complained about what we didn't have. Like me, she worked hard for 40 years. It's her turn to enjoy. We've both agreed that $40K is enough to put into an automobile at this point in our lives. We have other thngs that we want to do as well.
I know that you are enjoying your new purchase. Also, I know that you and your husband deserve it. Like me, you were a school teacher. You know what a dollar means.
Richard
This applies to ANY first year model, not just Jeeps. Excellent advice.
:mad: I've mentioned it months ago when we were talking about the GC.
Don't forget that the GC offers ventilated seats for the summer and heated seats/wheel for the winter.
It looks more like simple indecision than old habits.
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Why would I want to bore people to death?
What is it called? "The Best of My Posts on Edmunds"
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