Well, to me, that is an absolute must have. And that is just the normal fob and key (heck, on the Accord, it is all one unit).
Sticking a key in the lock hole and turning it? how barbaric. Even worse, is having to look the door when you get out of the car.
and among other benefits, you can pop the trunk as you are walking up. even with your hands mostly full.
also very handy when you need to open the car for passengers and you haven't gotten close enough to put the key in.
the Contour I got for my son a couple years ago didn't have it. Drove me nuts whenever I had to use the car.
I tend to just use the fob without even taking it out of my pocket. Just way more convenient.
Now, the no button entry thing? That I can't figure out how it adds any value to me. It would also confuse me most likely, having to keep track of the dumb fob!
No, not really. I just fail to see any use for this. Just a gimmick that may impress someone enough to sell a car I suppose.
Besides, we had one malfunction on a used car awhile back. We had to have the car towed to the dealer (I think it was an Audi?) and it cost a fortune to get it fixed.
Just like the Homelink that was a must have for a poster recently. My remote works just fine and it's never in the way. Why would I want to pay extra for something I don't care about.
Most of my customers have the same "who cares" attitude as I do about Homelink but for a few, It must be very important to have.
I combined yours & isell's comments; I should have labeled yours.
Anyway, I guess I'm confused. The keys would bother you in your pocket when you're in the car but not when you're outside the car, like at a movie or restaurant? :confuse:
You have to carry a fob and/or key to access and start the car. When you're not in the car you stow them somewhere comfortable about your person. FAST and similar systems let you leave the fob where you stowed it. There's pretty much no chance of dropping the keys, scratching your door, having to pause at the car to open it during a downpour (or drowning the fob during said downpour), needing to de-ice the lock, etc.
When I get out of the car I press a button by the handle & the doors lock.
Of course, the normal lock/unlock fob buttons are there if you would rather use them. And if you really want a key, Mitsu does embed an emergency/valet key in the fob.
If we can add it on to the car we might as well have it.....once you get used to it you will wonder how we lived without it.
Back in 1999, we leased a Ford Expedition that had a 6-CD changer in between the front seats. It was amazing that you could have 5-7 hours of music available to you.
When I bought my Saturn L300 in 2002, I thought the heated seats were the greatest thing. Living in Colorado, I used them extensively in the winter; in the summer, they were nice to have to loosen up sore muscles after playing golf.
Some years later, the next 'must have' feature was an AUX port in which an iPod can be plugged in. Nice to have many hours of music available without scanning radio stations or switching CD's (even with a multiple CD player).
On our latest purchase, the car has both a USB port (which will not only play the iPod, but charge it and allow the steering wheel controls to be used) and Bluetooth (for hands free cellphone use).
30 years ago, most cars didn't have A/C and were equipped with a 3-speed automatic or 4-speed manual transmission. Now we've got cars with 6-speed manuals and 7 and 8 speed automatics.
It's called progress. Embrace it!
Or, you just may be more comfortable driving cars with 2-speed automatics, drum brakes and no seat belts.
If you think about it, ask your sister-in-law how she compares the floating ride of her Lincoln Town Car to her new Genny.
Richard and 'tjc78'
When my Son gave my SIL a test drive I honestly thought she was just being kind by saying that she liked a lot of things about the Genny, even the ride. I remember saying to both my Son and Mrs. jmonroe that coming from the floaty ride of a Town Car she surely couldn't like the soft but firm ride of the Genny so there is no way she is going to get that car. It's just talk. When we found out that they went with the Genny I was surprised to say the least.
In the fall when they were up for another visit I asked her again how she liked the ride since by then she had it for a couple months. Same answer, "I really like that car". My Brother then chimes in and says, "I like to drive that car as much as I can even though it's her car. I just like the feel of that car and I'm glad we got it".
Richard...I should point out here that HIS car is an '08 Sebring hardtop convertible. He still likes that car but says when they go out, especially when they go on I 95 he likes to take the Genny because of its power and they have a V6 not the V8 like mine.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I have 3 gig of MP3 music on a memory stick (thumb drive), whatever you call it. My Camaro has an aftermarket stereo with the USB right in the front of the stereo. Plug in the stick and listen. Stop and restart the car, it picks up where it left off.
However, my Toyota (2010) just has an ipod jack which I can plug into after setting up the ipod for about 2 to 4 hours then the battery goes dead.
Is there a way to plug a USB (no batteries required) into that jack in the Toyota?
Why do aftermarket stereos have better features than factory ones?
Just a gimmick that may impress someone enough to sell a car I suppose.
Why would I want to pay extra for something I don't care about.
I'm like you (well, not really :P ) about not being easily impressed by a lot of things that are on cars today and that "no need for a fob" or the push button start is not why I bought that car. In fact, I didn't even know about the button on the door until the salesman pointed it out and I remember him saying, "you'll really like this feature". It was just something that was there so I had no choice if I wanted that car.
Now, if those thingies ever act up I'll be the first to say why did they put that POS on the car. :mad:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I am not too sure if this is the one they showed on the news last night. There seems to be quite a few..google "wristwatch cell phones.
I'll keep trying to find the one they mentioned on the news, it said it was ideal for driving, and could answer without pressing any buttons. Cost is $83 and there are more at: watch cell phone
Try getting through a Northern winter without bun warmers and see if you can survive.
Lets see I have been through something like 50 winters all well north of the 40th parallel and I have had bun warmers for 0 of those years. I survived, but then again I wear pants.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Sticking a key in the lock hole and turning it? how barbaric. Even worse, is having to look the door when you get out of the car.
This coming from the guy who thinks automatic transmissions are a fad. :P
Of course I also like a stick and am a sucker for gimmicks. The stick shift thing I got from my mom. Both parents kind of liked gadgets though dad was the one who liked them in the car.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
Or, you just may be more comfortable driving cars with 2-speed automatics, drum brakes and no seat belts.
Perfect for isell!
My brother who just buys a new Civic every 10 years wanted to find a car that did not come with a right side mirror. I think he kept hitting it on a post in his garage.
I am sure isell would say, "Who needs a right hand mirror? Just another useless item I can live without".
The aftermarket is always a couple of years ahead of factory systems. They have the ability to try out specialized products in smaller markets to see what works and what doesn't.
It doesn't make sense for a car manufacturer to invest in and install unproven stereo technology in, say, a million production cars, if it's at risk of becoming obsolete or useless.
Also it's cheaper to manufacture old technology such as CD players and aux jacks, instead of new cutting edge tech.
I just like the feel of that car and I'm glad we got it".
Coming from a Lincoln Town Car, she just discovered "The feel of the road" and she appreciates that feeling. The Gennie will be softer riding than a bmw, so that might have been too much of a shock, but it's nice to see someone likes and has learned to love "the feel of the road".
Not quite. I wouldn't own a car without A/C, power windows, locks etc and a decent CD player. I just don't care about the silly things like rain sense wipers for crying out loud.
And I'l take a stick too but my wife won't.
As far as color, if there are 8 choices available, I would probably be happy with five of the eight.
I didn't mean to be confusing. I don't like fobs and car keys in my pocket at any time---inside or outside of a car. If my wife is with me, she puts them in her purse. If I am alone, I carry them in my hand unless it's cool enough for a jacket. I admit that carrying them in my hand can cause problems. I have left fob and keys in more than one store. I had a real problem in a store once. I put the fob with keys down to pick up a pair of pants. When I realized an hour later than I didn't have my keys, I returned to the store. After much searching, I found them down between two stacks of pants. I did the same thing in a grocery store last year. After about 30 minutes, I found them on a shelf between the olives and the spice jars. I had picked up two jars to compare the ingredients. I know. I'm a lug nut case.
I don't see why American culture can't condone a man carrying a purse. Think about it. On our bodies, we have to carry a wallet, loose change, car keys, breath mints, hankerchef, cigarettes and lighter (for some of us), chap stick, small pocket knife, etc. I hate to have all of that stuff in my pockets. I just thought of something. Perhaps I could put it all in an empty laptop case and get away with it. No, that wouldn't work. Can you see me at the check-out counter rummaging through my case for the wallet? Such is the plight of man!
well, my family had 1 car when I was a kid, and it was a stick. So, that's what I learned to drive on. But being a car nut from when I was little (as in having multiple car rag subscriptions when I was about 12), I would have gotten one anyway.
my mother, who just turned 80, still drives a stick (gen 1 saturn SL). junky car, but it's got a clutch!
I'm surprised that your brother prefers the V6 in the Genny over his V6 Sebring. My convertible just growls and takes off with power. That was one thing that I liked about mine when I first drove it. In fact, on I-95 I have to slow down because I'm doing 80 before I realize it. The Genny must be a real power house.
BTW, on my three hour trip to the beach last week, my convertible got 29.1 mpg. For that car, I was impressed.
Don't you just know that Isell is a great salesman? He would never pressure you to buy a certain car because it had all of those fancy features. That's my kind of salesman.
My brother who just buys a new Civic every 10 years wanted to find a car that did not come with a right side mirror. I think he kept hitting it on a post in his garage.
Did your family lose a sister way back? I know someone that's whacked a few right side mirrors. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
When you "feel the road" as you say, do you prefer rock and tar, cement, or plain asphalt?
What I prefer is for my car's tires to maintain contact with the roadway as I accelerate around a corner & hit something uneven, like a pothole or a dropoff on a rural (fun) road. Cars with decent suspensions can do that, usually at the expense of what some call a "rough ride." The people who prefer the car to feel like the living room (well, family room these days) sofa don't understand a word of what I just wrote.
Isell is a great salesman? He would never pressure you to buy a certain car because it had all of those fancy features
I agree, it is nice to see a salesman who doesn't try to sell you on that crap. I guess if he doesn't push you to buy necessities like heated seats and rain sensing wipers, he won't push you to buy mop n glo.
The people who prefer the car to feel like the living room (well, family room these days) sofa don't understand a word of what I just wrote.
I understand what you are saying but unless you are racing around curvy roads "road feel" losses any real meaning. I have a sister that lives 972 miles away and 964 of those miles are open interstate and the entire route is basically flat with very east turns. You really don't want road feel for that trip.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
stick - my mom's last car was a Sentra 4WD wagon with a stick. She was 77 or 78 when she had to give up driving.
Sad thing is my dad wouldn't let us drive it a bit to keep it going because he thought we'd try and take it. He was convinced she'd get better. He finally gave it to my older brother and it promptly had a load of things go at once as a result of having sat there. I should have snucj around when dad wasn't around to keep it going.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
The people who prefer the car to feel like the living room (well, family room these days) sofa don't understand a word of what I just wrote.
I don't necessarily want a bone-jarring ride, but I do want the steering and suspension to communicate what is going on at all four contact patches. A lot of manufacturers think that all you need to do is increase the spring rates and increase the steering effort- but it isn't that simple. Over the years I've had more than a few older guys tell me that I would eventually tire of small sports/performance cars and that I'd wind up driving a big boat with a marshmallow suspension. Well, at the ripe old age of 53 I still prefer light, nimble, and fast. The only big sled I could realistically see myself owning is an Alpina B7. That said, several of my friends did wind up replacing their Z28s, RX7s, and Corvettes with minivans, Camrys, and Impalas. Meh, I'd rather drive my 1975 2002 slushbox.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
964 of those miles are open interstate and the entire route is basically flat with very east turns. You really don't want road feel for that trip.
I respectfully have to disagree. After driving the RAV4 for 3 weeks I can say that numb steering is numb steering. You can turn the wheel a tenth of the way and nothing happens. When you can "feel the road" every fraction of a turn is transmitted, just feels like you are in control.
Not sure about you but every car I have driven even the slightest movement of the steering wheel changed the direction of the car. Some might have been more responsive than others but they all did that. If the RAV4 did move a tenth of the way with nothing happening there must have been something wrong.
Now that being said take the drive from just north of Denver to just west of Chicago in a day and tell me you want to feel every bit of the road. Trust me as someone who used to routinely drive very long (8 hours or more) drives in a multitude of vehicles a nice smooth ride is so much better.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
He finally gave it to my older brother and it promptly had a load of things go at once as a result of having sat there.
The worst thing that anyone can do to a car is to let it sit around without being driven somewhat regularly. Just going out and starting it up and “letting it run for a while” is just as bad. You’ve got to get into it and drive it for at least 10 miles under a load on a fairly regular basis. Slosh all the fluids around and get them hot. Once the cycle starts with a car being put on the road it has to stay on the road or troubles start as your brother found out. It seems as though even the knobs have to be moved.
My Brother who lives in the next town down the road from me is married to a single child. Her mother stopped driving her ’68 Impala years before she passed away and my SIL wanted to sell the car when she stopped driving it. My Brother said he’d like to get that car when the time came and he drove it for few miles on a weekly basis when they went to visit her. He’s had that car for about 15 years now and it’s in almost perfect shape and it has less than 70K miles on it. The only thing he did wrong, according to my Sons, was to have it painted a different color than the original color about 6 years ago because the paint had badly faded. It was a light silver blue now it’s a dark blue. You should have heard Son #1 ripping on him about how he ruined that car.
My Brother doesn’t care about showing the car although he has taken it to a few local car cruises just for the fun of it and Son #1said, “and I’ll bet they laughed you off the lot didn’t they”? :confuse: My Brother said, “no they didn’t. Not everyone is a car geek like you. In fact, there were quite a few cars there that were painted a different color than the original”. Son #1 said, “tell me what cruises you took it to so I know not to waste my time going to those”.
You just have to keep them running regardless of the color.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
That just so true... The roads in NJ are no picnic either and I miss my floaty Toyota!
To Jmonroe,
I am just stunned that a Town Car driver likes the ride in the Genesis. Not long after I got mine a guy in a TC pulls up and asks me how I like my Genesis. I told him its OK and that he wouldn't like it because it rides hard.
On another note, a good old NJ pot hole just cost me $266.00 for a new Dunlop. Coincidentally, the exact same one I replaced about 3000 miles ago for a screw through the side wall. Just a tick over 10K miles and over $500.00 spent on tires.
but every car I have driven even the slightest movement of the steering wheel changed the direction of the car.
I remember reading a review for a big Ford in the 80s, and it said the Ford steering felt like the car was "dumb". That was how I found Fords, more solid cars, but slow dumb steering compared to more nimble Chryslers and GMs.
After driving the RAV4 (excuse me, Toyota RAV4) for 3 weeks my car felt like it didn't have power steering. Took awhile to get used to the extra effort needed to steer, but once I got used to it again, I realized how much better it is.
I taught driving so I am aware of how some people drove on a highway, constantly adjusting the steering wheel back and forth, when the car will basically go straight if the wheel is kept centred.
I don't like fobs and car keys in my pocket at any time---
What you need is to invest in good pair of cargo pants, also available as shorts. Lots of extra pockets for keys, knives, pen, kleenex, shopping lists, etc.
Ideal for traveling in countries where there are lots of pickpockets...like most of Europe and South America etc. I think they can still get it, but I don't know how with good velcro seals and or buttons.
Crazy thing with mom's last car is that the brother who ended up with it (oldest brother - got anything like that) was the one in the family who should have known about letting a car sit. He'd already killed one car that way. College prof. Had a sabbatical in England for six months. Left his 77 Nova in my folks garage. His FIL, a service manager for Chevy, says it will start right up and be fine after six months. My brother starts it up. Engine seizes. End of Nova. Nova no va.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
I am just stunned that a Town Car driver likes the ride in the Genesis.
That is why I told my Son and his Mother that there was “no way” that they would buy a Genesis. It was just talk, but I was wrong. However, that was only time I was wrong last year.
On another note, a good old NJ pot hole just cost me $266.00 for a new Dunlop. Coincidentally, the exact same one I replaced about 3000 miles ago
I’m going to say another “no way” and I won’t be wrong this time. I can assure you of that. “There ain’t NO WAY you’re ever going to drive MY Genny”. I’ll say it again for clarity “NO WAY” . It just ain’t gonna happen, not a prayer of doing that. :sick:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
There ain’t NO WAY you’re ever going to drive MY Genny
HA! I don't blame you... I was so mad. It was on a narrow road (with a barrier on one side, RT 130 in south jersey) in rush hour and I saw it but there was just no way to avoid it, people on either side of me. It was either hit the pot hole or hit another car.
You're correct. I probably don't understand. I guess it all comes from our personal experiences. I grew up in a family with big boats. We considered floating a priority. In my job, I drove from New York to Miami and as far as the Mississippi River on a regular basis. When you do that much driving, you want a comfortable ride. Don't get me wrong. I know what "road feel" is like. I owned an MGB and a Miata. They were local fun cars. I might take them on a three hour trip to the beach, but no more distance than that. It's like Isell always says, "That's why restaurants have menus."
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Sticking a key in the lock hole and turning it? how barbaric. Even worse, is having to look the door when you get out of the car.
and among other benefits, you can pop the trunk as you are walking up. even with your hands mostly full.
also very handy when you need to open the car for passengers and you haven't gotten close enough to put the key in.
the Contour I got for my son a couple years ago didn't have it. Drove me nuts whenever I had to use the car.
I tend to just use the fob without even taking it out of my pocket. Just way more convenient.
Now, the no button entry thing? That I can't figure out how it adds any value to me. It would also confuse me most likely, having to keep track of the dumb fob!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
No, not really. I just fail to see any use for this. Just a gimmick that may impress someone enough to sell a car I suppose.
Besides, we had one malfunction on a used car awhile back. We had to have the car towed to the dealer (I think it was an Audi?) and it cost a fortune to get it fixed.
Just like the Homelink that was a must have for a poster recently. My remote works just fine and it's never in the way. Why would I want to pay extra for something I don't care about.
Most of my customers have the same "who cares" attitude as I do about Homelink but for a few, It must be very important to have.
Guess this is why restaurants have menus.
Anyway, I guess I'm confused. The keys would bother you in your pocket when you're in the car but not when you're outside the car, like at a movie or restaurant? :confuse:
You have to carry a fob and/or key to access and start the car. When you're not in the car you stow them somewhere comfortable about your person. FAST and similar systems let you leave the fob where you stowed it. There's pretty much no chance of dropping the keys, scratching your door, having to pause at the car to open it during a downpour (or drowning the fob during said downpour), needing to de-ice the lock, etc.
When I get out of the car I press a button by the handle & the doors lock.
Of course, the normal lock/unlock fob buttons are there if you would rather use them. And if you really want a key, Mitsu does embed an emergency/valet key in the fob.
We also lived for years without power windows, remote control TVs, remote keys,
color tv, air conditioned cars, automatic transmissions.
If we can add it on to the car we might as well have it.....once you get used to it you will wonder how we lived without it.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I am proud of you boy. An A+ in safety for today.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Back in 1999, we leased a Ford Expedition that had a 6-CD changer in between the front seats. It was amazing that you could have 5-7 hours of music available to you.
When I bought my Saturn L300 in 2002, I thought the heated seats were the greatest thing. Living in Colorado, I used them extensively in the winter; in the summer, they were nice to have to loosen up sore muscles after playing golf.
Some years later, the next 'must have' feature was an AUX port in which an iPod can be plugged in. Nice to have many hours of music available without scanning radio stations or switching CD's (even with a multiple CD player).
On our latest purchase, the car has both a USB port (which will not only play the iPod, but charge it and allow the steering wheel controls to be used) and Bluetooth (for hands free cellphone use).
30 years ago, most cars didn't have A/C and were equipped with a 3-speed automatic or 4-speed manual transmission. Now we've got cars with 6-speed manuals and 7 and 8 speed automatics.
It's called progress. Embrace it!
Or, you just may be more comfortable driving cars with 2-speed automatics, drum brakes and no seat belts.
Richard and 'tjc78'
When my Son gave my SIL a test drive I honestly thought she was just being kind by saying that she liked a lot of things about the Genny, even the ride. I remember saying to both my Son and Mrs. jmonroe that coming from the floaty ride of a Town Car she surely couldn't like the soft but firm ride of the Genny so there is no way she is going to get that car. It's just talk. When we found out that they went with the Genny I was surprised to say the least.
In the fall when they were up for another visit I asked her again how she liked the ride since by then she had it for a couple months. Same answer, "I really like that car". My Brother then chimes in and says, "I like to drive that car as much as I can even though it's her car. I just like the feel of that car and I'm glad we got it".
Richard...I should point out here that HIS car is an '08 Sebring hardtop convertible. He still likes that car but says when they go out, especially when they go on I 95 he likes to take the Genny because of its power and they have a V6 not the V8 like mine.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Could you explain how that works.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I have 3 gig of MP3 music on a memory stick (thumb drive), whatever you call it.
My Camaro has an aftermarket stereo with the USB right in the front of the stereo. Plug in the stick and listen. Stop and restart the car, it picks up where it left off.
However, my Toyota (2010) just has an ipod jack which I can plug into after setting up the ipod for about 2 to 4 hours then the battery goes dead.
Is there a way to plug a USB (no batteries required) into that jack in the Toyota?
Why do aftermarket stereos have better features than factory ones?
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Why would I want to pay extra for something I don't care about.
I'm like you (well, not really :P ) about not being easily impressed by a lot of things that are on cars today and that "no need for a fob" or the push button start is not why I bought that car. In fact, I didn't even know about the button on the door until the salesman pointed it out and I remember him saying, "you'll really like this feature". It was just something that was there so I had no choice if I wanted that car.
Now, if those thingies ever act up I'll be the first to say why did they put that POS on the car. :mad:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Most people I know don't need them, they usually wear pants. :P
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I am not too sure if this is the one they showed on the news last night. There seems to be quite a few..google "wristwatch cell phones.
I'll keep trying to find the one they mentioned on the news, it said it was ideal for driving, and could answer without pressing any buttons.
Cost is $83 and there are more at:
watch cell phone
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Lets see I have been through something like 50 winters all well north of the 40th parallel and I have had bun warmers for 0 of those years. I survived, but then again I wear pants.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
This coming from the guy who thinks automatic transmissions are a fad. :P
Of course I also like a stick and am a sucker for gimmicks. The stick shift thing I got from my mom. Both parents kind of liked gadgets though dad was the one who liked them in the car.
Do I detect some Hondaism there?
Don't forget, it was said by someone who doesn't care what color the car is, or if it has air, automatic or seats.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Perfect for isell!
My brother who just buys a new Civic every 10 years wanted to find a car that did not come with a right side mirror. I think he kept hitting it on a post in his garage.
I am sure isell would say, "Who needs a right hand mirror? Just another useless item I can live without".
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
The aftermarket is always a couple of years ahead of factory systems. They have the ability to try out specialized products in smaller markets to see what works and what doesn't.
It doesn't make sense for a car manufacturer to invest in and install unproven stereo technology in, say, a million production cars, if it's at risk of becoming obsolete or useless.
Also it's cheaper to manufacture old technology such as CD players and aux jacks, instead of new cutting edge tech.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Coming from a Lincoln Town Car, she just discovered "The feel of the road" and she appreciates that feeling. The Gennie will be softer riding than a bmw, so that might have been too much of a shock, but it's nice to see someone likes and has learned to love "the feel of the road".
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
And I'l take a stick too but my wife won't.
As far as color, if there are 8 choices available, I would probably be happy with five of the eight.
I don't see why American culture can't condone a man carrying a purse. Think about it. On our bodies, we have to carry a wallet, loose change, car keys, breath mints, hankerchef, cigarettes and lighter (for some of us), chap stick, small pocket knife, etc. I hate to have all of that stuff in my pockets. I just thought of something. Perhaps I could put it all in an empty laptop case and get away with it. No, that wouldn't work. Can you see me at the check-out counter rummaging through my case for the wallet? Such is the plight of man!
BTW, what was your question? :P
Richard
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0
Rain sensor wipers are nice. They vary the speed to match the amount of rain. Very handy. Once they are on, you aren't constantly fiddling with them.
my mother, who just turned 80, still drives a stick (gen 1 saturn SL). junky car, but it's got a clutch!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
BTW, on my three hour trip to the beach last week, my convertible got 29.1 mpg. For that car, I was impressed.
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Did your family lose a sister way back? I know someone that's whacked a few right side mirrors. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
What I prefer is for my car's tires to maintain contact with the roadway as I accelerate around a corner & hit something uneven, like a pothole or a dropoff on a rural (fun) road. Cars with decent suspensions can do that, usually at the expense of what some call a "rough ride." The people who prefer the car to feel like the living room (well, family room these days) sofa don't understand a word of what I just wrote.
Different strokes. . .
I agree, it is nice to see a salesman who doesn't try to sell you on that crap. I guess if he doesn't push you to buy necessities like heated seats and rain sensing wipers, he won't push you to buy mop n glo.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Don't they have fold up mirrors for those people?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Could you explain how that works.
I am afraid you will have to ask Mapquest and Navteq that question. They put my house across the street.
I understand what you are saying but unless you are racing around curvy roads "road feel" losses any real meaning. I have a sister that lives 972 miles away and 964 of those miles are open interstate and the entire route is basically flat with very east turns. You really don't want road feel for that trip.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Sad thing is my dad wouldn't let us drive it a bit to keep it going because he thought we'd try and take it. He was convinced she'd get better. He finally gave it to my older brother and it promptly had a load of things go at once as a result of having sat there. I should have snucj around when dad wasn't around to keep it going.
I don't necessarily want a bone-jarring ride, but I do want the steering and suspension to communicate what is going on at all four contact patches. A lot of manufacturers think that all you need to do is increase the spring rates and increase the steering effort- but it isn't that simple. Over the years I've had more than a few older guys tell me that I would eventually tire of small sports/performance cars and that I'd wind up driving a big boat with a marshmallow suspension. Well, at the ripe old age of 53 I still prefer light, nimble, and fast. The only big sled I could realistically see myself owning is an Alpina B7. That said, several of my friends did wind up replacing their Z28s, RX7s, and Corvettes with minivans, Camrys, and Impalas. Meh, I'd rather drive my 1975 2002 slushbox.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I respectfully have to disagree. After driving the RAV4 for 3 weeks I can say that numb steering is numb steering. You can turn the wheel a tenth of the way and nothing happens. When you can "feel the road" every fraction of a turn is transmitted, just feels like you are in control.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Now that being said take the drive from just north of Denver to just west of Chicago in a day and tell me you want to feel every bit of the road. Trust me as someone who used to routinely drive very long (8 hours or more) drives in a multitude of vehicles a nice smooth ride is so much better.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The worst thing that anyone can do to a car is to let it sit around without being driven somewhat regularly. Just going out and starting it up and “letting it run for a while” is just as bad. You’ve got to get into it and drive it for at least 10 miles under a load on a fairly regular basis. Slosh all the fluids around and get them hot. Once the cycle starts with a car being put on the road it has to stay on the road or troubles start as your brother found out. It seems as though even the knobs have to be moved.
My Brother who lives in the next town down the road from me is married to a single child. Her mother stopped driving her ’68 Impala years before she passed away and my SIL wanted to sell the car when she stopped driving it. My Brother said he’d like to get that car when the time came and he drove it for few miles on a weekly basis when they went to visit her. He’s had that car for about 15 years now and it’s in almost perfect shape and it has less than 70K miles on it. The only thing he did wrong, according to my Sons, was to have it painted a different color than the original color about 6 years ago because the paint had badly faded. It was a light silver blue now it’s a dark blue. You should have heard Son #1 ripping on him about how he ruined that car.
My Brother doesn’t care about showing the car although he has taken it to a few local car cruises just for the fun of it and Son #1said, “and I’ll bet they laughed you off the lot didn’t they”? :confuse: My Brother said, “no they didn’t. Not everyone is a car geek like you. In fact, there were quite a few cars there that were painted a different color than the original”. Son #1 said, “tell me what cruises you took it to so I know not to waste my time going to those”.
You just have to keep them running regardless of the color.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
That just so true... The roads in NJ are no picnic either and I miss my floaty Toyota!
To Jmonroe,
I am just stunned that a Town Car driver likes the ride in the Genesis. Not long after I got mine a guy in a TC pulls up and asks me how I like my Genesis. I told him its OK and that he wouldn't like it because it rides hard.
On another note, a good old NJ pot hole just cost me $266.00 for a new Dunlop. Coincidentally, the exact same one I replaced about 3000 miles ago for a screw through the side wall. Just a tick over 10K miles and over $500.00 spent on tires.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
That reminds me of asking for directions once.
The guy said "You can't get there from here"
After a brief discussion of not making our destination, my coworker was told the solution to the problem. You have to go somewhere else first.
All down south of course. That's what makes southern living so much fun.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
A TENTH? I guess that means a ‘56 Pontiac Chieftan is OUT. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I remember reading a review for a big Ford in the 80s, and it said the Ford steering felt like the car was "dumb". That was how I found Fords, more solid cars, but slow dumb steering compared to more nimble Chryslers and GMs.
After driving the RAV4 (excuse me, Toyota RAV4) for 3 weeks my car felt like it didn't have power steering. Took awhile to get used to the extra effort needed to steer, but once I got used to it again, I realized how much better it is.
I taught driving so I am aware of how some people drove on a highway, constantly adjusting the steering wheel back and forth, when the car will basically go straight if the wheel is kept centred.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
What you need is to invest in good pair of cargo pants, also available as shorts. Lots of extra pockets for keys, knives, pen, kleenex, shopping lists, etc.
Ideal for traveling in countries where there are lots of pickpockets...like most of Europe and South America etc. I think they can still get it, but I don't know how with good velcro seals and or buttons.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
That is why I told my Son and his Mother that there was “no way” that they would buy a Genesis. It was just talk, but I was wrong. However, that was only time I was wrong last year.
On another note, a good old NJ pot hole just cost me $266.00 for a new Dunlop. Coincidentally, the exact same one I replaced about 3000 miles ago
I’m going to say another “no way” and I won’t be wrong this time. I can assure you of that. “There ain’t NO WAY you’re ever going to drive MY Genny”. I’ll say it again for clarity “NO WAY” . It just ain’t gonna happen, not a prayer of doing that. :sick:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
HA! I don't blame you... I was so mad. It was on a narrow road (with a barrier on one side, RT 130 in south jersey) in rush hour and I saw it but there was just no way to avoid it, people on either side of me. It was either hit the pot hole or hit another car.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
Richard