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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Do you remember what you paid for the 72 Riviera ?
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    . I would say that with 3 or 4 in the car, their performance could certainly be considered anemic.

    I am not so sure it would be considered anemic. An additional person in a Yaris would only add about 5% more weight. While the added weight will slow it down, I don't think it would be that much. Its not like towing a boat.

    Some want to enjoy the best that life has to offer, and some want to die with a big bank account.

    Ah, so if someone doesn't want to shell out the extra & grand to get the BMW 3 series with 300 HP as opposed to the standard one with 230 HP it automatically means they don't want to enjoy the "finer things in life"? Or even if they drove a Ford over a BMW for that matter? There are many people enjoying the best of what life has to offer, but what they consider the best of what life has to offer isn't in cars.

    Personally there are many more things I would preferre to spend my money on than rough riding cars with way mire HP than I need.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    No, only if you want to have a life.

    Sorry I have taken many a four banger well past 150K miles and they still ran very well.

    Along time ago I realized some basic truths about cars and HP, they are as follows;

    1.) HP can't make you drive through the guy in front of you, you can only go as fast as the traffic in front of you.

    2.) In city driving if there is no one in front of you at the light, using a lot of HP only gets you to the next light quicker. The cars that you left behind will be behind you again at the next light.

    3.) In the country it doesn't matter how fast you get to your speed, what matters is if you can you maintain it. Believe it or not in the Accent I have left more than my share of BMWs behind on the winding roads around here.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    When you have a chance to turn left your light is red, cross traffic is turning green, and you want to clear the intersection before someone hits you.

    Well that can be done in any car. That is unless cross traffic is a Bugatti that floors it the instant the light turns green. Heck I have been in that situation on a bicycle and cleared the intersection.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • murphydogmurphydog Member Posts: 735
    No doubt that works well in chicago, however out here we do have those funny things called hills. Again on this specific on ramp you can see the 150 HP cars even when their owners are flogging them struggle to get to cruising speed - and it is even worse when their lose their momentum when the vanpool cuts them off at 35 just as they were hitting 40 - 45 and making their final run.

    So yes in many many cases you are correct, but there are indeed a few exceptions to the rule

    Attemp to put in a link to google street view of on-ramp.

    http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=47.667344,-122.129155&spn=0,0.002787&t=h&z=19- &layer=c&cbll=47.667507,-122.129154&panoid=LnF4w7JPz_HrLrg_lCD6mg&cbp=12,201.99,- ,0,9.24
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    71 Riviera. Not really. It was slightly used so I am thinking it was probably under $3,000. Could have been less but probably not over $3,000. Those were the days, huh!!

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    Believe it or not in the Accent I have left more than my share of BMWs behind on the winding roads around here

    I do have to admit, that is a bit difficult to believe. Someone may want to put a call in to Ripley's. ;)
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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Should have kept it. My 72 Impala Custom Coupe msrp'd at 3400. Vinyl top and a/c-auto am radio and a 350 v-8. Maybe my favorite car of all time. Of course I was 25 at the time -- everything seemed better.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    We don't have hills in Chicago?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    I haven't really needed the V8 for safety reasons. My research before we bought the car indicated that the V6 had plenty of power for the SRX. I did notice on the steep climb to Grandfather Mountain that the SRX exhibited an effortless attempt in getting there. Those hair pin curves and steep grades were taken with ease. The V8 does suck the gas. My mountain trip only yielded 17 mpg. I'm not overly concerned because the old Explorer never got above 17 mpg.

    Richard
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Surprising as it might seem that little car is pretty nimble and can do corners very well. I do have some good tires on it which is very important and helps a lot. Also I do have better than average driving skills. Tires and the drivers ability do play a lot in how well a car can maneuver.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    I see you are headed northbound on the Saw Mill River Parkway at 122 miles per hour in a 2010 BMW X5 M.

    What an idiot. I just hope that when he crashes, he doesn't take any innocent bystanders with him. :sick: :lemon:
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    "I think cursing speed is the speed all the cars passing you are going at."

    Even the "cursing" speed is slowed down because of the preposition "at" sitting at the end of your sentence. Drop it and you'll go much faster. (Wink).

    Never use "at" at the end of a sentence.

    Richard
  • murphydogmurphydog Member Posts: 735
    Not like the ones we have here - Last time in Chicago was on the 20th floor of a building in Schaumberg and I think I could see the Rocky Mountains in the distance.

    Don't get me wrong, more power is usually not needed - but there are times when it makes a world of difference. You are more than welcome to take this onramp during the peak commute and in progressively less powerful cars and let me know how you do. In this specific case more power is better.

    I don't know the grade here -but it is similar to what you see in the mountains. The folks on the freeway are all ready up to speed as they hit the hill, but the on ramp merges after a very sharp right hand turn that also has two general purpose lanes become 1. The carpool lane is between the GP lanes and the freeway, so no only do you have to contend with mergeing within your lanes, you then have to cross slower moving Busses and vans - and did I mention that the on ramp becomes an exit in aobut a quarter of a mile all up hill? And nothing adds to the adventure when a dump truck or two is ahead of the pack as you approach the sharp bend.

    Clearly you can make it with a 100 HP car, but there is much more stress involved in the process....
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,347
    "...We don't have hills in Chicago?..."

    Speaking of hills and horsepower makes me think of the little town I grew up in which was on the steep banks of the Hudson River. Some of the streets must have been built by mountain climbers because they seemed as if they ran straight up the side of the hills. In truth they might have been 35 degrees but it seemed that when you drove them you risked tipping your car over backwards.

    On of our favorite tests of manhood was to stop on these hills and stomp on the gas. If you had a really powerful car the wheels would spin forever and you would just sit there smoking. The cars with limited-slip rear ends could be pushed around by hand until they made an almost complete revolution and went tearing back down the hill.

    People said we were crazy but we weren't worried. We were 17 and indestructible so we couldn't have gotten hurt.

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  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    The mention of your Impala brought a little story to mind. When we pulled into our hotel parking lot in Blowing Rock for the weekend, a nice young couple pulled in beside us. They were driving a 1988 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Sedan. It looked beautiful and I told them so. It turned out that the car was left to him two years ago by his grandmother. She had always had it serviced regularly and kept it garaged. Still, after 22 years it needed a paint job. The grandson had it painted the original color by an antique car collector. He then ordered new tires that were an exact match to the original whitewalls. It has 150,000 miles on it and runs great. This young man, in his thirties I believe, told me that he loved the lines and style of the older cars. He was delighted that his grandmother remembered him with such a nice gift. His wife told my wife that the car was the apple of his eye. The young guy said that it had done really well on their vacation in the mountains. I told him not to worry about parking next to me because I knew that neither of us wanted any scratches, dings, or dents. I noticed each night that he made sure to park next to me. They were such a nice young couple. The second morning they were going out at the same time as us. His wife made the remark that our SRX was so pretty. Her husband said that some day they would have a car like ours. I told him not to wait too many years to do the purchase. My wife told them to work hard, save some money each month, and they would have what they wanted in a few years. I hope that they follow that advice.

    Richard
  • jwilliams2jwilliams2 Member Posts: 910
    I am not so sure it would be considered anemic.

    Sorry, but yes, it would be anemic.

    the best of what life has to offer isn't in cars.

    Certainly ranks right up there. And this is a car forum.

    rough riding cars with way mire (sic) HP than I need.

    As I said, different strokes.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Personally there are many more things I would preferre to spend my money on than rough riding cars with way mire HP than I need.

    Like what?

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    He must be one of lemko's relatives.
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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Believe it or not in the Accent I have left more than my share of BMWs behind on the winding roads around here.

    Glad you added the "or not".

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    and it is even worse when their lose their momentum when the vanpool cuts them off at 35 just as they were hitting 40 - 45 and making their final run.

    That was hilarious!

    And the picture came out perfect, I see exactly what you mean.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited October 2010
    Those hair pin curves and steep grades were taken with ease. The V8 does suck the gas. My mountain trip only yielded 17 mpg.

    It may not be broken in yet. Gas mileage may improve.

    I do think hp can mean more safety when used correctly, but hp also has other benefits. One is effortless mountain climbing. Another, is picking up speed on an entrance ramp, and the car not sounding like it might get a hernia!

    HP just adds to the enjoyment of driving. I think my 328 has 265 hp, my wife's 330 has the 300hp. It is so much more forgiving, shifting is smoother, and if I am feeling lazy I can keep it in a lower gear for a longer time without noticing. Only a difference if you care about these things. I have HD TV but don't always remember to find the same station in HD, the picture quality difference is usually not that important to me (unless I am watching tennis), so different things are important to different people.

    Last paragraph wasn't directed at you Richard, it was just that I had these profound thoughts I had to document before I forgot them.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    What an idiot.

    That's exactly what I was thinking. A moron probably has 30 points on that guy as far as common sense goes.

    I just hope that when he crashes, he doesn't take any innocent bystanders with him

    That would be nice but unfortunately, it doesn't usually work like that.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,669
    you need a certain amount, but once you have enough, any more is just overkill.

    And to me, a "normal" 3 series has plenty, and probably more than I will ever use.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    "I think cursing speed is the speed all the cars passing you are going at."

    cursing" speed is slowed down because of the preposition "at" sitting at the end of your sentence. Drop it and you'll go much faster. (Wink).

    I am glad you are back to point that out for me *ha ha).

    Actually, when I read the sentence now it does look a little silly.

    However, if you do want to see some times when it is better to use a preposition at the end of a sentence, check out:
    prepositions

    I thought it was interesting.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    you need a certain amount, but once you have enough, any more is just overkill.

    I could say something here, ah, well, I'll try,
    "That's what my wife says too"

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    you need a certain amount, but once you have enough, any more is just overkill.
    And to me, a "normal" 3 series has plenty, and probably more than I will ever use


    Seriously though, some people want a 60 inch TV, some a 40", some want a speaker system, some 2 speakers are fine, some want a $4000 bicycle and some a $150 3 speed is fine, some need a 500 amp audi system and for some a 50 amps are fine, and on it goes.

    Once you get used to remote keys or power windows it is difficult to go back. Once you get used to 300 hp, it is difficult to go back....except .maybe when I am 80 and I just need to get from A to B..

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    edited October 2010
    I’ve mentioned the young ladies at work that have 3 Series. I‘d say there are at least 11 of them in the parking lot that belong to these ladies and another 5 or 6 to others. That’s a pretty good percentage for about 400 employees.

    Yesterday a fellow worker ask me if I knew one of the girls and I said, “yeah, I think I know the one you're talking about. Why do you ask”? He goes on to tell me that she passed him on the road while going to work and she was doing almost 120 MPH. I asked him how he knew that and he said because when they got to the parking lot he called out to her. She was about 50 feet in front of him. For driving all that fast she wasn’t that far ahead of him. So that's a little proof that short bursts of speed don’t mean all that much in the end. Anyway, she admits that she was going 120 when she passed him and waved at him as she went by.

    I said, “isn’t she the one that parked her car on an angle in a parking space last spring and took up 2 parking spaces and two of the guys that work in the shop parked so close to her that she couldn’t get out? Wasn't she stuck there until a second level manager pleaded with them to move their vehicles”? He said, “yeah, your right. That was really funny”. I said, “then why wasn’t she laughing instead of crying while waiting in the lobby for those guys to move their vehicles so she could go home”. He just shook his head and said, “she learned a lesson that day. I just hope she doesn’t learn another one the hardest way”.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Please review my previous example of how to correct this type of sentence !!!

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    edited October 2010
    Driver, I will sum this up for you. HP is like a lot of other things...It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    “she learned a lesson that day. I just hope she doesn’t learn another one the hardest way”.

    Maybe she and the guy from NY should get together. :P
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Like many things, like nicer vacations, antique pocket watches, racing unicycles (OK I made that one up), a nicer house, helping out the charities and the less fortunate and winning the great Northern IL whiskey war.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    edited October 2010
    Yes, I am aware of those revisionists out there who wish to make life simple----"24/7", "Back in the day...", "No problem", etc. Tina Blue likes her prepositions at the end of her sentences because she thinks that it "sounds better". It also prevents her from having to construct a grammatically correct sentence. I'm sorry, but I'm old school, especially when it comes to using "at" to end a sentence. When I was in 3rd grade, if a student asked the teacher where the crayons were AT, the teacher would exclaim, "Behind the preposition AT." We soon learned that rule of English grammar. Tina Blue may wish to change things, but she needs to remember that saying it over and over doesn't make it right.

    Many of the little things in life keep disappearing or becoming unimportant. If it continues, then we lose the big things. Today, people are so eager to have things made easy. Why shred fresh coconut when I can buy frozen? Why read a book when I can just see the movie? Why iron a shirt when I can just wear it wrinkled? Why give Driver 300 HP when 250 HP would be enough? Why not just text instead of talking with someone or writing them a letter? Does quality matter? Does self-respect and the joy of accomplishment matter? Is it no longer true that "No pain, no gain" still exists? Have ethics, pride, and a sense of self awareness disappeared? Perhaps I'm not very flexible to change. That's fine. After all, the only people who love change are wet babies. End of rant.

    Richard
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    So what you are saying is never end a sentence with "at".

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    That's what I told him in fine print. Like you, I should have repeated it in one sentence. (I bet that they did have unicycle races in the 1800's.)

    Richard
  • murphydogmurphydog Member Posts: 735
    LOL - in hindsight it is kind of funny, but man when you are stuck in the middle of it...whew is all I can say!

    Can't believe I have yet to see wreck...
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    OK from now on I will not end a sentence with "at".

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Never use "at" at the end of a sentence.

    In Laos, one kip equals 100 at. :P :P

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    young ladies at work that have 3 Series. I‘d say there are at least 11 of them in the parking lot that belong to these ladies

    Are you tracking these young ladies? How many ladies at work drive Hondas?

    At least they are getting noticed, which is probably what they want.

    Does she drive fast because she has a bmw, or does she have a bmw because she drives fast? If she can go 120 mph and hasn't lost her license yet, I think she probably does know how to drive that thing - and she probably appreciates the handling, not to mention the hp.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I will sum this up for you. HP is like a lot of other things...It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    Good statement houdini. Insurance is like that too!

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Like many things, like nicer vacations,
    I go on about 8 trips a year, 3 or 4 are vacation trips, I don't need any more trips. antique pocket watches,
    I would much rather put my money into a car that I use every day, than a pocket watch that is a nice item, but, which I don't need every day.
    racing unicycles
    Or even bicycles. I used to love riding a bike, rode it all over the city in my younger days when drivers were more courteous, but a bike is good, but how much bike do most people need? A good old 3 speed Raleigh would be fine for me.
    , a nicer house,
    We have the perfect house for us, one floor and overlooking the city and bay. We have moved enough, I don't want to ever move again.
    helping out the charities and the less fortunate
    We do that, sent money to Haiti. Even sent money for Pakistan, then I get an email explaining that if Pakistan could afford 40 of the most dangerous planes around F 16s at a cost of $40 million each, they should be helping their own people,
    winning the great Northern IL whiskey war
    Never drink the stuff!

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  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    I'm sorry, but I'm old school, especially when it comes to using "at" to end a sentence.

    I strongly agree. Do you think that we believe as we do about this because we were among the last students to be required to diagram sentences? (You & I are roughly the same age.)

    And as long as we're discussing grammar, how about 10 lashes with a wet noodle for those among us who use "that" instead of "who"? A recent post discussed a neighbor "that" bought a new car. The correct wording, obviously, would be the neighbor "who" bought a new car.

    That vs. which

    Rule 1. Who refers to people. That and which refer to groups or things.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    When I was in 3rd grade, if a student asked the teacher where the crayons were AT, the teacher would exclaim, "Behind the preposition AT." We soon learned that rule of English grammar.

    I think everyone here knows I ain’t the best with grammar but there are some things that were pounded into me. When I was in 5th grade I had a typical older lady school teacher that taught English. Like your 3rd grade teacher she was a stickler for not ending a sentence with a preposition…not that I always avoid that mind you but when I catch myself doing it I still think of her.

    There was another thing that she would go off about and I mean she went OFF on it. It’s South Western PA slang for y’all in the South. I’m sure ‘mako1a’ and ‘jayrider’ know exactly what I’m referring to. It’s the use of the word “younz” and here in South Western PA it is very common. My family never used it so I didn’t acquire that bad habit, good thing. When she heard a student say “younz” she would send them to the board to write 25 times (first offence, next offence another 25 and so on), “I will not use the word younz when speaking to others. It is not proper English and I will no longer say it”. Believe it or not there were some kids that went to the board 3, 4 and 5 times before they worked that word out of their vocabulary.

    End of rant.

    You English teachers do go on and on about that kind of stuff. I didn’t think you’d ever END that lesson. :P

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Perhaps I'm not very flexible to change. That's fine. After all, the only people who love change are wet babies. End of rant.

    Excellent rant, and enjoyable essay. But, you know me, I won't go down without a good try, and here it is:

    What happened to English is a changing language and that is what makes it so vibrant? After all, you know what happened to Latin. That's my excuse and I am sticking to it.

    Check this out:
    Is proper grammar to end a sentence with to?
    No, not unless you have to!

    You may find this article of interest too, on the other hand, only read it if you are having a good day. ending a sentence with a proposition is ok

    Do I at least get a B+ for trying?

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,134
    That's fine. After all, the only people who love change are wet babies. End of rant.

    I love that line.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,134
    I strongly agree. Do you think that we believe as we do about this because we were among the last students to be required to diagram sentences? (You & I are roughly the same age.)


    I'm 32 and remember doing that in school. I'm sure that I would have a tough time doing it now!

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    In Laos, one kip equals 100 at.

    Good try Tidester. How did you come up with that one? You should get a B+ for trying too.
    (Yes, snake, you should get a B+ too, for don't end a sentence with "at".)

    Coins
    Coins were issued dated 1980 in denominations of 10, 20 and 50 att, followed by commemorative 1, 5, 10, 20 and 50 kip in 1985 for the 10 years of the Lao People's Democratic Republic. However, due to chronic inflation there are no coins currently in circulation in Laos

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,158
    Tend to agree (not with your wife, but about horsepower).

    When I have it, I use it. When I don't, I miss it.

    I can tell jumping from my TL to my (my son's) 4 cyl Accord how much I miss power. When I was driving the Accord regularly, didn't even notice the lack of power. Now, I do.

    Used to be I drove sports/muscle cars from my power fix. But, that was only on nice weekends. Now, driving 300+ HP every day, I don't think I can go back to something less powerful as a daily driver.
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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,134
    I don't think I can go back to something less powerful as a daily driver.

    It can be tough. I float between three cars (09 Genesis V6, 08 Elantra, 99 S10 V6) they are all really different in terms of power. As long as I remember which one I am driving I am fine. It sounds crazy, but the other day I was driving the Elantra and went to merge on the highway in a space the Genesis would have no problem with and it was a little closer than I liked.

    Another thing with cars is braking performance. Whenever I drive the S10 I have to constantly remind myself it doesn't stop anywhere near as fast as the Genesis or Elantra.

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  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Believe it or not there were some kids that went to the board 3, 4 and 5 times before they worked that word out of their vocabulary.

    Apparently, your teacher didn't send you to the board for using "that" instead of "who"...
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