So what’s with the garage floor? Do you have to carpet it for your new toy?
I was wondering if anyone would catch that.
Over the years a crack developed and part of it, near the entrance, settled a little. (Actually the previous owners didn't take very good care of this house and they let the gutters deteriorate to the point that water froze and thawed at the corner of the garage foundation, etc... You get the point. Settlement.)
It wasn't too bad until I had a new garage door installed. I told the installers to make sure the door was level since they appeared to be "going with the flow". A level door made the settlement much more apparent. If I don't fix it I suspect critters may be in there seeking warmth in the winter.
As you know, one thing always seems to lead to another. :sick:
I'll try to remember to post my evaluations after some seat time.
I had one of the original Regals. I can't say I enjoyed that experience very much.
The only similarity between the new Regal and any of the previous ones is the name.
I don't think she can get in a lot of trouble with the turbo. It's only 220 HP & 258 lb/ft of torque. The exhaust has a nice mellow growl to it though.
Oh, I wish I were kidding. Last year he woke me up in the middle of the night to ask my advice on what it meant when the dash light said "HOT" and there was smoke coming out of the front.
Turns out he lent his Buick to friend who had run it into the back of another car and driven one of the fans into the radiator. The car dripped coolant until it overheated.
He never bothered to pop the hood to see if there was any damage in the engine bay. Just kept driving it. :sick:
Yet he changes his oil every 3000 miles. At least one thing I told him sunk in.
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She has anything but a lead foot, so I know she wouldn't be tearing up the streets regardless. I think she just likes the idea of being cool enough to drive a turbo (in her own mind).
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I'm sure that the struts are original because he doesn't do anything to his cars until smoke is pouring out of the hood
Not that I wait until smoke is pouring out of the hood before I do maintenance or repairs, but the only car that did that to me was the Neon when it's AC compressor blew and I guess it siezed on the belts and made a really nasty loud noise and sqeal in addition to burning the belts thereby causing said smoke under the hood, until I of course, figured out what was happening and turned the AC off.
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The problem with those comparison is that the 85 HP Accord probably weighed about 2,000 lbs.
That may be true .... as a point of comparison, I owned both a '93 Accord and an '03 Focus. Weight was about the same for both (2778 vs. 2699), as was HP (125 for the Accord, 130 for the Focus).
However, the Accord was considered a mid-sized vehicle while the Focus was a compact.
Cars are overweight these days because of the nanny police and idiot lights, and tire pressure monitoring sensors, and more.
I do not disagree with you there. The bloat is incredible.
I checked the local dealership association website and for cars with over 200K miles; Import 8 makes with 19 cars, Domestic 13 makes with 69 cars. Chevy won with 23 cars with Ford in second with 19. Ford had three with over 300K miles.
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Michael, I applaud your wife's efforts to teach children the art of cursive writing. The "Handwriting Without Tears" is an excellent program for both teachers and parents to use. You have touched upon one of the most rigorous, emotional debates currently going on in educational circles around the country. I am passionate about the retention of cursive writing in our schools. Current trends are making me very sad lately. Beginning this year, 40 of our 50 states will no longer requre the teaching of cursive writing. It is not a part of the Core Curriculum legislated by President Obama and the U.S. Department of Education. Forty states signed up to follow the Core Curriculum---a national approach to what children will and will not be taught. That is a separate topic and I won't elaborate on it here.
There are stated pros and cons for doing away with cursive writing. In an attempt to be as objective as I can, here are a few:
Pros: Students have now learned to keyboard, text, and twitter their thoughts. Email has replaced the writing of postal letters. Creative writing, essays, themes, etc. are now routinely typed. Typing is clearer and easier to read and understand. Students can type faster and work is completed in a more timely manner.
Cons: The loss of motor skills, especially eye/hand coordination; the loss of an art form---communication through the flow of formed letters; not being able to read historic documents and family letters; the loss of speed vs. typing; being able to take notes, make notes, and sign signatures
Life is full of change, and the only person who likes change is a wet baby. Still, I hate to see cursive writing pass away as one of our oldest forms of communicaiton. It should at least be retained as an alternative in case technology is not available at certain times in our lives. Please tell your wife that she is doing a wonderful thing for her children. The U.S. Department of Education says that they are now turning over the teaching of cursive writing to the parents. They wish for the schools to spend the time on technology. I have to wonder how many parents will take up the task of teaching cursive writing. I'm not very hopeful at the prospects.
Did you catch this week's Top Gear show where they raced 3 $500 beaters against each other up the CA coast to San Francisco?
Two were Fords a Fiestia with about 200K miles and an old Ford Taxi (forget if it was a GM or a Crown Vic) with 425K miles. The third car was a Mercedes 190 or something.
The Fiesta blew up near the end and the Mercedes died 1/4 mile short of the finish leaving the big Ford as the only one running at the end.
The best part was where they did a lab analysis of all the stains on the interiors. :confuse:
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>Good post Imid. I really laugh at some of the comments:
I tried to be diplomatic, but I tire of the stereotypes of GM cars espoused in some discussion vs the stereotypes of others.
I have ridden in some cars that let one feel every pebble on the road. I sure would have hated to drive that car from W. Ohio to Williamsburg 10 years ago for a short summer stay. Lots of miles and we were comfortable on our cloth seats and mild ride mile after mile of bumpy road (Pennsylvania).
On the other hand it would be fun to drive a car like my Mustangs where I can whip them around a corner (why? I don't know.) and just have fun that it's a car that can be driven sportily or recklessly.
But I wear low on the idea that only one brand of car is the ultimate for people to buy. Frankly I doubt that the driving of 99% of us on this discussion would distinguish between a BCD car or a Stallion auto. Anyone driving at .9 G in circles? The car mags would make one think that everyone drives only on road courses like they stole the car. They are the same stereotypers that make some feel that the only spouse worth having looks like something off the runway on "Make Me a Super Model." There's a whole lot more to a person than looks. And the same is true for a car.
If someone personally wants a car that's overly sporty and extremely capable that's great. But I don't think it's worth a hundred posts about which one is better, mine or your'n.
And I am pleased that many love the car which they've chosen.
I love my GMs I've had through the years, and more so I loved the dealership because they serviced and made them great to own. But I have no doubt I'd be happy with a Honda, tyota, Nissan, or other brand if one fell into my lap. Long ago, I had sworn I'd never own another Ford because of their poor quality and fixing what was known to fail on their Windsor built engine. They also had other problems. Then I won a Mustang in a contest along with a bunch of other stuff. I owned the car for 9 months or so. I had to change my statement to, "I'll never buy another Ford."
But the stereotyping of GM vehicles as being one way hit my "On" switch. End of soapbox. I'm open to other opinions, even if I disagree. I'll try not to be disagreeable.
> The U.S. Department of Education says that they are now turning over the teaching of cursive writing to the parents. ... I have to wonder how many parents will take up the task of teaching cursive writing. I'm not very hopeful at the prospects.
About 1/1,000,000 th of the number who would take over teaching the child to throw a football, basketball, run track, etc., if the school were to quit teaching those skills for the recruiting value when the chillren get to high school for the all important teams.
. I could have waited on it. Instead, they gave me a 328 convertible as a loaner.
That's my baby, 328 Cabriolet......fun with the top down. I got 3 months left to enjoy it before the 535 comes...but it is good too, for other reasons.
Statistics and justifications can be presented in such a way that they support what the presenter said. You have a masters in this trait maybe even a PhD.
You are 100% correct...I do justify a large self indulgent purchase. It helps me to rationalize it. For 80% of my life I couldn't afford a really nice car, so I do feel guilty having it now.
And, lots of people, say oh sure , getting a new BMW, how can you afford that. Like i say, if you give up a pack of cigarettes, bottle of wine a day, 2 Lattes and as I told the golfer friend....if I golfed I wouldn't be able to afford the bimmer.
But, youare absolutely right, don't justify, just enjoy it.
For 80% of my life I couldn't afford a really nice car, so I do feel guilty having it now.
Why should you feel guilty? From what you've told us (and I believe you) you started a successful book business after several set backs. I'm sure you don't feel guilty about that so why feel guilty about your pleasure of owning an upscale car. You earned it.
Admit it and enjoy it. That's all I'm trying to say.
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But, youare absolutely right, don't justify, just enjoy it.
Totally agreed, Driver. If you can afford it, and want it, go for it and don't look back. There's a reason so many different choices of vehicles exist today, from bare bones to ubber luxo. And thank goodness for that, too, as I'd be pretty bored if only one brand of car survived, even if that was as something as nice as a BMW.
We could have comfortably afforded a high-end BMW at the time of the Hyundai purchase, and indeed we looked at Infiniti, Acura, and BMW, but decided we would put our money elsewhere. We're young with many years of work ahead, so into savings/retirement the extra cash went.
We're not totally rationally oriented, though. We splurge on travel and even on WaveRunners. Do they make financial sense? Heck no. But we benefit from the family time and can comfortably afford the occasional splurge. I don't feel bad about that.
I was just giving you a hard time about cost difference between the BMW and Hyundai. I appreciate your good attitude and gracious response!
Edit: Oh, I'm not a drinker or smoker. Talk about a cash saver!
You seem to know a lot more than I do and I guess searching Auto Trader makes you a real expert.
I just got done spending 14 years in the car business and I can tell you, we had LOTS of 200,000 plus mileage domestics traded in. They usually ran pretty well too. Of course, we wholesaled every one of them but they got snapped up by the wholesalers who would resell them on the small lots.
I would MUCH rather have a well maintained domestic than a 200,000 mile Volvo, volkswagen or Audi.
Hey gang, OK lay it on me. The car search has begun. Well.... at least the internet browsing has ramped up a bit. Not probably gonna pull the trigger for at least a month or so.
My question is, has anyone paid 20K or so for a used 4 year old car and financed 80/90% ?
The reason I ask is, one of the cars I am looking at would be a used Town Car (I know, I know.... ). There are plenty for sale and IMHO the sweet spot are the 06-08s at the moment.
Right now I could get an 06 (loaded w/nav) with 21K miles for 18,500 before negotiations.
There is also another listed that caught my eye, an 07 (loaded, w/nav) 24K miles advertised for 22K before negotiations.
They are both "certified" vehicles. I can't buy a 20K car cash, so financing would be required. Am I nuts to finance a 4/5 year old car? The payment would be significantly lower than leasing a new Avalon, LaCrosse, ES350 etc and I would budget for any possible repairs and would be keeping it for a long time.
I could afford a 2010 CPO (with the balance of the original B to B warranty) but it would also cost 7500+ more for basically the same car. Actually I prefer 07 down models because they were still built in Wixom and were available with nav (nav certainly not a deal breaker, but would like it mainly for the THX sound system)
I'm sure you don't feel guilty about that so why feel guilty about your pleasure of owning an upscale car. You earned it.
We know some people who are multi-multi millionaires. They won't buy an air conditioner, they finally bought a flat screen TV....have just the one, they shop at dollar stores, they only read a newspaper if we give it to them, he drives about a 6 year old Uplander and they could own whatever car they want, their refrigerator that was about 60 years old finally broke down so they bought a new one, they always go to KFC Tooney ($2 coin) Tuesdays.
Why am I mentioning this?
Many people just can't spend money if they have always had to be careful for all their life.
Yes, I was downsized 3 times, was 46 years old, no one would hire me, the only thing left was to try to work for myself. Worked hard and it all worked out. I am often greatful I didn't have much money earlier in life, or I wouldn't be as careful now. But, we are products of our past so it is hard to lose that completely, but I know you are right and I really like that you took the time to talk about it...your thoughts are very much appreciated.
Because they can't bring themselves to spend money if they don't have to.
Edit: Oh, I'm not a drinker or smoker. Talk about a cash saver! LOL......
We saw some friends today who could buy a newer car but they always drive their cars until they stop working. They have about 10 year old Volvos. They think it is a waste of money to buy a new car if their car is still running.
If I run the numbers, I think it only costs $2000 or $3000 more to trade in a car every 5 or 6 years instead of keeping it until it falls apart. You have a newer safer car, few repairs, no major big repair, better dependability, and some pride in driving a newer car.
You are wise to save money in your younger years for sure. Money can multiply if saved properly, and that will help secure your future. A fancy car can't do that. There's plenty of time later in life to get a fancy car. Travelling now is a good idea, people have plans they will do lots of travelling when they retire and some do, but most don't travel a huge amount. It's good to do it while you can.
But what's a WaveRunner? Is that like a Skidoo?
And I think your suggestions that I shouldn't feel guilty about driving a bimmer are really right. But, my one friend got a 7 Series and there is no way I could own one of those. I even feel funny being a passenger in it. It just seems to be a bit much to me.
the loss of speed vs. typing; being able to take notes, make notes, and sign signatures
Ah signatures, we hired some summer temps and on the paperwork there is a line to print their name and one to sign your name right under it. You wouldn't believe the number of these peoples whose signed name appears almost like their printed name.
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Thanks, Richard. A tribeca is a nitch car, especially in Southern California where 4 wheel drive is not needed. They only sell 5K a year.
I went from a 4Runner to an Accord Coupe. All this waste of money taught me was that I prefer the upright position of an SUV.
I am an older fart but not on your class! I repair public safety radios for a small sea coast city of 500K. In 3 years I will reach Social Security retirement age. With that and 16yrs X 2.7% of Calpers I should be able to retire.
The Mustang was a 1979 Pace Car with the 4-cyl turbo. I think those didn't sell nearly as well as the V-8s. I was entered along with 420 some other people who had answered questions correctly. I won the big prizes. My life changed. I had a young accountant who was interested in how to handle that kind of windfall, thanks to my dentist who recommended him. The accountant determined the value of the Mustang and other items for tax purposes.
If I run the numbers, I think it only costs $2000 or $3000 more to trade in a car every 5 or 6 years instead of keeping it until it falls apart. You have a newer safer car, few repairs, no major big repair, better dependability, and some pride in driving a newer car.
Well that depends on the car and over what period of time you save that $2-3K. The average driver should get at least 10 years on a car before spending much, if anything, on repairs. And unless you skimp on maintence your 2012 car isn't that much safer than your 2002 and should be pretty dependable.
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Thanks for your input Mako. I certainly hear you on many counts. I don't worry about making the note every month. That isn't the issue. I know people buy used cars all the time and no way they all buy them cash.
I'm in no hurry and will be looking at other options, quite possibly a newer model will be the better buy. I would never trade anything in "upside down". If I tired of it, I would trade/sell it only if I was in equity or at least even.
As for saving the whole purchase amount? It would be quite awhile as I have lots of expenses coming up. I am very close to getting engaged and will be planning a wedding probably late next year/early 2013. That is why financing is a must for this. Maybe one more three year lease would make sense this time.
Oh and you are not "shattering a dream" I've owned TCs before and many other nice cars. I just sold a perfectly good (but bad riding) 09 Genesis.
I nursed the turbo and cooled it down so it didn't carbonize the oil in the bearings, etc. I probably didn't use the turbo much compared to most drivers. I changed my oil frequently. Kept good oil in it, for the era.
I nearly killed myself on a downhill road in a park on drizzling evening when I went too fast into the 180 degree turn, hit the brakes, and the rear end started around on me. Very light in rear.
Tjc78 - I agree with what mako1a says. We're 2 of the youngest guys here (I think 28firefighter is the youngest). Even if we're not in the same financial or familial boat, no way I'd take out a loan on a 4 - 5 year old car. Even though parts for a town car are cheap & plentiful, you are guaranteed to have quite a few repair bills while still making payments. Especially since you are also talking about a daily driver.
Now I have 2 car loans right now, but bought both cars new.
A few of the guys here have bought used (Richard64) and were able to pay "cash" for their cars.
Id advise to do this ONLY if you could payoff the loan in less than 2 years.
In the future. I'm talking way in the future, I'd like to buy a slightly used 2 seat, RWD sports car. The 2 at the top of my list? A Corvette & a Cayman.
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The average driver should get at least 10 years on a car before spending much, if anything, on repairs. And unless you skimp on maintence your 2012 car isn't that much safer than your 2002 and should be pretty dependable.
My wife's 2004 X3 has 121,000 miles on it and it was paid off in 2007. Since the 50,000 mile mark the repair and maintenance costs(including 1 set of four tires) have amounted to $3998- a bit less than six cents per mile, or $83 per month. And note that $427 of that figure represents more frequent oil, ATF, and transfer case changes than BMW calls for. The only down side is that my wife now prefers to drive my 1975 2002(she doesn't like big boats either) and my son wants something smaller equipped with a manual transmission. All I know for sure is that I'm not going to get stuck with it... :P
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WaveRunner is the trade name for Yamaha's personal watercraft, like Jet Ski for Kawasaki and Sea Doo for Bombardier. 1.8 liters of fury on the water. If you want to talk irrational, consider that my stock WaveRunner has more power than many cars :surprise: It's our weekend fun. We're hoping to add a second one to our personal inventory in early 2012, but that decision will depend on whether or not we choose to replace my wife's aging vehicle. One expensive choice at a time.
We've been shopping for a midsize SUV, but to be honest, nothing strikes our fancy enough to pull the trigger and replace my wife's van. We'll see what 2012 brings. We may just decide to keep up with repairs.
I hope you enjoy that new 5 series when it comes in. The revised styling marks a much needed change from the "Bangled" 5 series years and I think it's now the most attractive in the class. Great choice. It's unfortunate you had a frustrating experience during the buying process, but I think you did everything right and am betting the ownership experience will make it all worthwhile.
I wouldn't be putting many miles on it, as we usually take the Elantra to work (GFs car we work in same building) and I also have the S10.
I certainly agree that the financing a 4/5 year old car is a risky thing. I certainly wouldn't do it with one that had more than 30K miles. Its just in the thinking stage at the moment.
That 06 if I got it for 17 and put a few grand down, there is an outside shot that plunking down 500/month on it (no prob) would pay it off in a little more than two years.
I just think that buying something used (that I know I like) might make more sense than leasing something at 500/month and then in three years be in the same boat. The only plus side is the leased car won't cost me a penny other than oil changes. I think another big thing is I really don't like many of the new cars in my price range. As I mentioned before the choices in large cars today, frankly... sucks!
The Z06 is awesome, but way too much of an animal for me to tame. I really enjoyed driving the Corvette I rented for my Dad for his 65th birthday. The Corvettes have long model runs. Guys buy them as mid-life crisis cars, drive them on nice weekends, and get sick of them in 2 - 3 years. A used Corvette with a 6-speed stick could be a fantastic bargain down the road.
Caymans are beautiful, perfectly balanced cars. I feel like a lot of guys get a Cayman as their "1st Porsche," drive it for a few years and then step up to either a Cayman S b/c they want more power (ARGH! ARGH! ARGH!$ or a 911 because they've jumped income brackets.
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Mako1a - Porsches are NOT CHEAP by any means. Besides their absoultely insane driving dynamics & stunning good looks, Porsches are built incredible well. They don't "cheap out" on anything. My Mom has a 2011 Cayenne. It is gorgeous. Every single surface is rich and everything about the car is well throught out. She LOVES how it drives.
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Tom, you know that out of all the posters here, I would be the one who wanted you to buy a Town Car. Still, I offer this bit of advice. If you want one that will be dependable and cost the least in repairs, try to consider a one or two year old TC. I searched Autotrader and Lincoln Vehicles Direct. There are only a few available in my area for 2009 and 2010. The '09's are running around $23k and the '10's are running around $27K. You might look at those sites for the ones in your area. Naturally, prices depend on the mileage and the condition. If you could swing $5k or $6k down, you might be able to do a four year payment for around $500 per month. I'm just guessing at this point. If you're going to make payments on a used car, try to stick with a relatively new model. I've had good experiences buying one or two year old models. I would hesitate to trust a model older than that. No matter what you decide, good luck and keep us posted.
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I was wondering if anyone would catch that.
Over the years a crack developed and part of it, near the entrance, settled a little. (Actually the previous owners didn't take very good care of this house and they let the gutters deteriorate to the point that water froze and thawed at the corner of the garage foundation, etc... You get the point. Settlement.)
It wasn't too bad until I had a new garage door installed. I told the installers to make sure the door was level since they appeared to be "going with the flow". A level door made the settlement much more apparent. If I don't fix it I suspect critters may be in there seeking warmth in the winter.
As you know, one thing always seems to lead to another. :sick:
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I had one of the original Regals. I can't say I enjoyed that experience very much.
The only similarity between the new Regal and any of the previous ones is the name.
I don't think she can get in a lot of trouble with the turbo. It's only 220 HP & 258 lb/ft of torque. The exhaust has a nice mellow growl to it though.
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Oh, I wish I were kidding. Last year he woke me up in the middle of the night to ask my advice on what it meant when the dash light said "HOT" and there was smoke coming out of the front.
Turns out he lent his Buick to friend who had run it into the back of another car and driven one of the fans into the radiator. The car dripped coolant until it overheated.
He never bothered to pop the hood to see if there was any damage in the engine bay. Just kept driving it. :sick:
Yet he changes his oil every 3000 miles. At least one thing I told him sunk in.
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"only" 220HP?
Have we all forgotten the days of 85 HP Accords, 110HP V6's and 140HP V8's?
When will the madness end?
Today, if your 4-banger (without turbo) doesn't produce 200HP, your V6 300HP and your V8 400HP, then you are way behind the times.
My wife's CX-7 makes 239HP, and she claims it's enough for her to merge into traffic or make a pass when necessary.
My ION has 140HP, which is decent for 2.2L.
Not that I wait until smoke is pouring out of the hood before I do maintenance or repairs, but the only car that did that to me was the Neon when it's AC compressor blew and I guess it siezed on the belts and made a really nasty loud noise and sqeal in addition to burning the belts thereby causing said smoke under the hood, until I of course, figured out what was happening and turned the AC off.
The problem with those comparison is that the 85 HP Accord probably weighed about 2,000 lbs.
Cars are overweight these days because of the nanny police and idiot lights, and tire pressure monitoring sensors, and more.
That may be true .... as a point of comparison, I owned both a '93 Accord and an '03 Focus. Weight was about the same for both (2778 vs. 2699), as was HP (125 for the Accord, 130 for the Focus).
However, the Accord was considered a mid-sized vehicle while the Focus was a compact.
Cars are overweight these days because of the nanny police and idiot lights, and tire pressure monitoring sensors, and more.
I do not disagree with you there. The bloat is incredible.
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There are stated pros and cons for doing away with cursive writing. In an attempt to be as objective as I can, here are a few:
Pros: Students have now learned to keyboard, text, and twitter their thoughts. Email has replaced the writing of postal letters. Creative writing, essays, themes, etc. are now routinely typed. Typing is clearer and easier to read and understand. Students can type faster and work is completed in a more timely manner.
Cons: The loss of motor skills, especially eye/hand coordination; the loss of an art form---communication through the flow of formed letters; not being able to read historic documents and family letters; the loss of speed vs. typing; being able to take notes, make notes, and sign signatures
Life is full of change, and the only person who likes change is a wet baby. Still, I hate to see cursive writing pass away as one of our oldest forms of communicaiton. It should at least be retained as an alternative in case technology is not available at certain times in our lives. Please tell your wife that she is doing a wonderful thing for her children. The U.S. Department of Education says that they are now turning over the teaching of cursive writing to the parents. They wish for the schools to spend the time on technology. I have to wonder how many parents will take up the task of teaching cursive writing. I'm not very hopeful at the prospects.
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Did you catch this week's Top Gear show where they raced 3 $500 beaters against each other up the CA coast to San Francisco?
Two were Fords a Fiestia with about 200K miles and an old Ford Taxi (forget if it was a GM or a Crown Vic) with 425K miles. The third car was a Mercedes 190 or something.
The Fiesta blew up near the end and the Mercedes died 1/4 mile short of the finish leaving the big Ford as the only one running at the end.
The best part was where they did a lab analysis of all the stains on the interiors. :confuse:
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What happens when the power goes out? :confuse:
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I tried to be diplomatic, but I tire of the stereotypes of GM cars espoused in some discussion vs the stereotypes of others.
I have ridden in some cars that let one feel every pebble on the road. I sure would have hated to drive that car from W. Ohio to Williamsburg 10 years ago for a short summer stay. Lots of miles and we were comfortable on our cloth seats and mild ride mile after mile of bumpy road (Pennsylvania).
On the other hand it would be fun to drive a car like my Mustangs where I can whip them around a corner (why? I don't know.) and just have fun that it's a car that can be driven sportily or recklessly.
But I wear low on the idea that only one brand of car is the ultimate for people to buy. Frankly I doubt that the driving of 99% of us on this discussion would distinguish between a BCD car or a Stallion auto. Anyone driving at .9 G in circles? The car mags would make one think that everyone drives only on road courses like they stole the car. They are the same stereotypers that make some feel that the only spouse worth having looks like something off the runway on "Make Me a Super Model." There's a whole lot more to a person than looks. And the same is true for a car.
If someone personally wants a car that's overly sporty and extremely capable that's great. But I don't think it's worth a hundred posts about which one is better, mine or your'n.
And I am pleased that many love the car which they've chosen.
I love my GMs I've had through the years, and more so I loved the dealership because they serviced and made them great to own. But I have no doubt I'd be happy with a Honda, tyota, Nissan, or other brand if one fell into my lap. Long ago, I had sworn I'd never own another Ford because of their poor quality and fixing what was known to fail on their Windsor built engine. They also had other problems. Then I won a Mustang in a contest along with a bunch of other stuff. I owned the car for 9 months or so. I had to change my statement to, "I'll never buy another Ford."
But the stereotyping of GM vehicles as being one way hit my "On" switch. End of soapbox. I'm open to other opinions, even if I disagree. I'll try not to be disagreeable.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
About 1/1,000,000 th of the number who would take over teaching the child to throw a football, basketball, run track, etc., if the school were to quit teaching those skills for the recruiting value when the chillren get to high school for the all important teams.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That's my baby, 328 Cabriolet......fun with the top down. I got 3 months left to enjoy it before the 535 comes...but it is good too, for other reasons.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
You are 100% correct...I do justify a large self indulgent purchase. It helps me to rationalize it. For 80% of my life I couldn't afford a really nice car, so I do feel guilty having it now.
And, lots of people, say oh sure , getting a new BMW, how can you afford that. Like i say, if you give up a pack of cigarettes, bottle of wine a day, 2 Lattes and as I told the golfer friend....if I golfed I wouldn't be able to afford the bimmer.
But, youare absolutely right, don't justify, just enjoy it.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Why should you feel guilty? From what you've told us (and I believe you) you started a successful book business after several set backs. I'm sure you don't feel guilty about that so why feel guilty about your pleasure of owning an upscale car. You earned it.
Admit it and enjoy it. That's all I'm trying to say.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Totally agreed, Driver. If you can afford it, and want it, go for it and don't look back. There's a reason so many different choices of vehicles exist today, from bare bones to ubber luxo. And thank goodness for that, too, as I'd be pretty bored if only one brand of car survived, even if that was as something as nice as a BMW.
We could have comfortably afforded a high-end BMW at the time of the Hyundai purchase, and indeed we looked at Infiniti, Acura, and BMW, but decided we would put our money elsewhere. We're young with many years of work ahead, so into savings/retirement the extra cash went.
We're not totally rationally oriented, though. We splurge on travel and even on WaveRunners. Do they make financial sense? Heck no. But we benefit from the family time and can comfortably afford the occasional splurge. I don't feel bad about that.
I was just giving you a hard time about cost difference between the BMW and Hyundai. I appreciate your good attitude and gracious response!
Edit: Oh, I'm not a drinker or smoker. Talk about a cash saver!
I just got done spending 14 years in the car business and I can tell you, we had LOTS of 200,000 plus mileage domestics traded in. They usually ran pretty well too. Of course, we wholesaled every one of them but they got snapped up by the wholesalers who would resell them on the small lots.
I would MUCH rather have a well maintained domestic than a 200,000 mile Volvo, volkswagen or Audi.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But you only kept it 9 months? I have to hear more
about that windfall. 6 or 8? Vert or Coupe? Did you
drive it like you stole it (so to speak since it was free)?
What year was this and why did you dump it so quick?
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
My question is, has anyone paid 20K or so for a used 4 year old car and financed 80/90% ?
The reason I ask is, one of the cars I am looking at would be a used Town Car (I know, I know.... ). There are plenty for sale and IMHO the sweet spot are the 06-08s at the moment.
Right now I could get an 06 (loaded w/nav) with 21K miles for 18,500 before negotiations.
There is also another listed that caught my eye, an 07 (loaded, w/nav) 24K miles advertised for 22K before negotiations.
They are both "certified" vehicles. I can't buy a 20K car cash, so financing would be required. Am I nuts to finance a 4/5 year old car? The payment would be significantly lower than leasing a new Avalon, LaCrosse, ES350 etc and I would budget for any possible repairs and would be keeping it for a long time.
I could afford a 2010 CPO (with the balance of the original B to B warranty) but it would also cost 7500+ more for basically the same car. Actually I prefer 07 down models because they were still built in Wixom and were available with nav (nav certainly not a deal breaker, but would like it mainly for the THX sound system)
Links:
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2006
Edit... we would be talking 4 year loan with hopes to pay it off in 3. 2010 would probably have to be 5 hope to pay off in 4.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
We know some people who are multi-multi millionaires. They won't buy an air conditioner, they finally bought a flat screen TV....have just the one, they shop at dollar stores, they only read a newspaper if we give it to them, he drives about a 6 year old Uplander and they could own whatever car they want, their refrigerator that was about 60 years old finally broke down so they bought a new one, they always go to KFC Tooney ($2 coin) Tuesdays.
Why am I mentioning this?
Many people just can't spend money if they have always had to be careful for all their life.
Yes, I was downsized 3 times, was 46 years old, no one would hire me, the only thing left was to try to work for myself. Worked hard and it all worked out. I am often greatful I didn't have much money earlier in life, or I wouldn't be as careful now. But, we are products of our past so it is hard to lose that completely, but I know you are right and I really like that you took the time to talk about it...your thoughts are very much appreciated.
Because they can't bring themselves to spend money if they don't have to.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
LOL......
We saw some friends today who could buy a newer car but they always drive their cars until they stop working. They have about 10 year old Volvos. They think it is a waste of money to buy a new car if their car is still running.
If I run the numbers, I think it only costs $2000 or $3000 more to trade in a car every 5 or 6 years instead of keeping it until it falls apart. You have a newer safer car, few repairs, no major big repair, better dependability, and some pride in driving a newer car.
You are wise to save money in your younger years for sure. Money can multiply if saved properly, and that will help secure your future. A fancy car can't do that. There's plenty of time later in life to get a fancy car. Travelling now is a good idea, people have plans they will do lots of travelling when they retire and some do, but most don't travel a huge amount. It's good to do it while you can.
But what's a WaveRunner? Is that like a Skidoo?
And I think your suggestions that I shouldn't feel guilty about driving a bimmer are really right. But, my one friend got a 7 Series and there is no way I could own one of those. I even feel funny being a passenger in it. It just seems to be a bit much to me.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Ah signatures, we hired some summer temps and on the paperwork there is a line to print their name and one to sign your name right under it. You wouldn't believe the number of these peoples whose signed name appears almost like their printed name.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
O man, I am really ROFLMAO !
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Mako, find out how you enter the contest!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
It wasn't free, he had to pay income taxes on its value.
But you only kept it 9 months?
Maybe he had to sell it to pay the tax bill.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
"paying off a dead horse". Take the choice TC
to a dealer other than the selling dealer and ask
for a buy bid on the car. It will be considerably
less than you're getting ready to pay. That buy bid
will be what you'll be offered if you get into a jam
and can no longer pay the note. The difference will
be your burden long after the car is gone. Look up
Trade-in value if you want close to the offering numbers
right now then subtract about 10% to get the buy bid.
Now this is the worse case scenario, but it could happen.
Do you still want to saddle yourself with this debt for a
5+- year old car. Also, how long would it take you to save
the full purchase amount? Would you still want what you
want today? Not to shatter a dream, but been there-done that.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I went from a 4Runner to an Accord Coupe. All this waste of money taught me was that I prefer the upright position of an SUV.
I am an older fart but not on your class! I repair public safety radios for a small sea coast city of 500K. In 3 years I will reach Social Security retirement age. With that and 16yrs X 2.7% of Calpers I should be able to retire.
I had three cars.
>Maybe he had to sell it to pay the tax bill.
The Mustang was a 1979 Pace Car with the 4-cyl turbo. I think those didn't sell nearly as well as the V-8s. I was entered along with 420 some other people who had answered questions correctly. I won the big prizes. My life changed. I had a young accountant who was interested in how to handle that kind of windfall, thanks to my dentist who recommended him. The accountant determined the value of the Mustang and other items for tax purposes.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Well that depends on the car and over what period of time you save that $2-3K. The average driver should get at least 10 years on a car before spending much, if anything, on repairs. And unless you skimp on maintence your 2012 car isn't that much safer than your 2002 and should be pretty dependable.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I had a friend at work with the exact same car.
Before he bought it he asked me and I told him to
go for the V-8. He didn't. Got numerous speeding
tickets, then the turbo went out and was too expensive
to fix. He ended up with a 4 cyl Mustang with a nice
decal on the side.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I'm in no hurry and will be looking at other options, quite possibly a newer model will be the better buy. I would never trade anything in "upside down". If I tired of it, I would trade/sell it only if I was in equity or at least even.
As for saving the whole purchase amount? It would be quite awhile as I have lots of expenses coming up. I am very close to getting engaged and will be planning a wedding probably late next year/early 2013. That is why financing is a must for this. Maybe one more three year lease would make sense this time.
Oh and you are not "shattering a dream" I've owned TCs before and many other nice cars. I just sold a perfectly good (but bad riding) 09 Genesis.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
I nursed the turbo and cooled it down so it didn't carbonize the oil in the bearings, etc. I probably didn't use the turbo much compared to most drivers. I changed my oil frequently. Kept good oil in it, for the era.
I nearly killed myself on a downhill road in a park on drizzling evening when I went too fast into the 180 degree turn, hit the brakes, and the rear end started around on me. Very light in rear.
Loved the Michelin low profile tires.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Now I have 2 car loans right now, but bought both cars new.
A few of the guys here have bought used (Richard64) and were able to pay
"cash" for their cars.
Id advise to do this ONLY if you could payoff the loan in less than 2 years.
In the future. I'm talking way in the future, I'd like to buy a slightly used 2 seat, RWD sports car. The 2 at the top of my list? A Corvette & a Cayman.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
My wife's 2004 X3 has 121,000 miles on it and it was paid off in 2007. Since the 50,000 mile mark the repair and maintenance costs(including 1 set of four tires) have amounted to $3998- a bit less than six cents per mile, or $83 per month. And note that $427 of that figure represents more frequent oil, ATF, and transfer case changes than BMW calls for.
The only down side is that my wife now prefers to drive my 1975 2002(she doesn't like big boats either) and my son wants something smaller equipped with a manual transmission. All I know for sure is that I'm not going to get stuck with it... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
WaveRunner is the trade name for Yamaha's personal watercraft, like Jet Ski for Kawasaki and Sea Doo for Bombardier. 1.8 liters of fury on the water. If you want to talk irrational, consider that my stock WaveRunner has more power than many cars :surprise: It's our weekend fun. We're hoping to add a second one to our personal inventory in early 2012, but that decision will depend on whether or not we choose to replace my wife's aging vehicle. One expensive choice at a time.
We've been shopping for a midsize SUV, but to be honest, nothing strikes our fancy enough to pull the trigger and replace my wife's van. We'll see what 2012 brings. We may just decide to keep up with repairs.
I hope you enjoy that new 5 series when it comes in. The revised styling marks a much needed change from the "Bangled" 5 series years and I think it's now the most attractive in the class. Great choice. It's unfortunate you had a frustrating experience during the buying process, but I think you did everything right and am betting the ownership experience will make it all worthwhile.
Anyone watching the US Open? Go Serena!
I like the Corvette Z06, but I'll have to wait until the UAW collapses before I buy one. I'll probably wind up with either a Cayman S or an Exige.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I certainly agree that the financing a 4/5 year old car is a risky thing. I certainly wouldn't do it with one that had more than 30K miles. Its just in the thinking stage at the moment.
That 06 if I got it for 17 and put a few grand down, there is an outside shot that plunking down 500/month on it (no prob) would pay it off in a little more than two years.
I just think that buying something used (that I know I like) might make more sense than leasing something at 500/month and then in three years be in the same boat. The only plus side is the leased car won't cost me a penny other than oil changes. I think another big thing is I really don't like many of the new cars in my price range. As I mentioned before the choices in large cars today, frankly... sucks!
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
and couldn't resist looking at the Cayman S. That car
is beautiful, but the price will knock you over. Even used.
EDIT- I meant Cayenne,(like the peppah) not Cayman.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Caymans are beautiful, perfectly balanced cars. I feel like a lot of guys get a Cayman as their "1st Porsche," drive it for a few years and then step up to either a Cayman S b/c they want more power (ARGH! ARGH! ARGH!$ or a 911 because they've jumped income brackets.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2007 Z06 w/ 15K Miles
2008 Coupe w/ 18K Miles
mako1a - LMFAO @ "Cayenne, like the Peppah" - Carmela Soprano
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Richard