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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    edited July 2012
    On August 1, it will be one year since I've read or posted on Edmunds. Did I miss anything?

    Well, we did some XM Satellite subscription renewals, dishwasher and garbage disposal work and a member had an engine blow up but that ain’t no sweat off your eyes.

    So, to what do we owe this near annual comeback? You need a new disposal or something? :confuse:

    BTW, is it true that ‘isell’ is now selling Kia’s in your neck of the woods?

    Welcome back.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Your dad was a very wise man. Based on your posts over the years, I believe that he passed his wisdom on to his son.

    Richard
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,217
    edited July 2012
    "...is it true that 'isell' is selling Kia..."

    Isell took after me and is collecting old cheap junk cars to litter his lawn. ;)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,242
    Glad to see you here!

    You missed the Hyundai XG story. That was kind of a big deal. I thought I had it bookmarked, but I'm sure jmonroe has a link for you.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    For those of you who don't watch the Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous or RWTIV topics, here is the latest on my wife's car search...
    After driving the Mini Cooper Countryman and Clubman she decided she wanted to try a Mini Cooper S Countryman(more power, tighter suspension), and we found this 2011:

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    We both really liked it; I'm no fan of FWD but it's her car and she gets to choose.

    My BMW dealer has a couple of 2011 3 Series from BMW's corporate fleet and they both have under 8,000 miles on them and are priced almost $10,000 off of the original MSRP. We looked at them but they didn't really excite either one of us; their main advantage is that we would continue to receive first class treatment from the BMW service and parts department.

    So anyway, we are going to try a get the Cooper S Countryman. Here's are the negotiations up to now:

    "Internet" Price : $26,916
    My offer : $25,500 OTD(inc. TTL- Ky sales tax is 6%)
    Their counter-offer : $27,525 OTD($1,400 off the asking price+ TTL and "Doc. fees")
    My final offer(not yet made): $27,000 OTD($25,000 + 6%)

    I'm going to wait for a while -maybe a day or longer- before making any counter-offer. In any event, I doubt that any dealer in the Louisville area is swamped with customers; high temperatures are forecast to be above 100F through Saturday.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,973
    I couldn't even imagine going through the last year worth of posts.....

    Driver bought a Florida home, a 5 Series, an Audi, and almost has the check written for a white Passat.

    Jmonroe has gone on a personal attack against Hyundai (rightfully so) and now has a pimped out Subaru

    Stickguy bought a Volvo, and is still trying to get rid of the minivan

    Richard bought a McMansion in his hometown.

    NYC bought a 3 series

    Fezo has still not gotten a free car, but from all accounts is feeling much better and now has his own thread on Edmunds

    OldFarmer continues to scour Craigslist for autmotive gold, still wants to know why all used cars have 140K miles.

    GraphicGuy also bought an Audi

    I replaced my Genesis with a Buick and can't understand why weddings are so expensive

    All this happened in between the popular topics mentioned earlier.

    Now where were we?

    Oh Garbage disposals. :shades: :shades:

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,973
    Great color on that mini, RB. Good luck, I think your 27K should fly.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    I couldn't even imagine going through the last year worth of posts.....

    What a great summary. If I had known you could do that I would have saved myself about 500 hours of time this last year.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    All this happened in between the popular topics mentioned earlier.

    Now where were we?


    Very nice overview. Did we really spend THAT much time in non-sales talk this past year? :sick:

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    Mini Cooper S Countryman(more power, tighter suspension),

    That's a nice looking Mini. Your offer sounds good, but you may have to wait them out.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786
    Yeah, as said, solid summary. Maybe do one of these quarterly and I'll be back in Septmeber. Don't need any appliances at the moment, save for a truck. :shades:

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123
    tjc.....GREAT REVIEW! Loved it! :shades:

    Roadburner...I think you're buying at the right time. No one is really going out to buy cars in this heat. Plus, you'll get really good service from BMW buying that Mini.

    I think you'll cut the deal. Like that you're taking a deep breath for a couple of days to let the dust settle.

    Can't help but wonder what the dealer would do if you walked in with a Cashier's Check for $26K and tell him...."here 'ya go. I'm all in! You want it or not?"
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,380
    It is supposed to be 101-103 here Saturday. I was trying to convince the wife it was the perfect day to shop. Should be dead, and after dragging them out through the lot a few times, they will be dying to offer a deal I can't refuse, just to stay inside!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    It is supposed to be 101-103 here Saturday.

    It sounds like it’s going to be HOT everywhere in the East/Northeast. It’s supposed to be 100 in the Burgh tomorrow. 95 right now according to some people that went out for lunch. Last week it was 80 at 7:15 AM when I got out of the car in the parking lot. It got worse from there…102 at the end of the day upon my return. :surprise:

    I’m not doing anything tomorrow but going to my brother’s or Son #2s pool.

    If a dealer wants to come over and drink some lemonade with me I COULD be interested.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,973
    Thanks guys. I also realized I forgot that Mako bought a Mustang.

    2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,380
    my daughter just reported from our pool that the temp is up to 91. more like a sauna than a swimming pool!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    Mako bought a Mustang. Yes I did...and I still like it.

    Been rough here. I've been reading all the posts, but stopped posting until

    most of Virginia is back on the grid. WV has about 50,000 customers still

    without power. Anyone without A/C and/or a pool has got to be suffering.

    We lost power for 32 hours, but since we have a whole house generator, it

    didn't do much except waste about 40 gallons of propane from a 2,000 gal

    tank. I asked the neighbors if they wanted to come have breakfast and a

    shower, but they said they liked roughing it. Ex Marine Colonel (go figure).

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,504
    Nice dude! I'm jealous. Fenway was electrifying when I went to a Red Sox/Tigers Game. That place must SHAKE when the (1st place) Yankees come to town. Have a Fenway Frank for me:)

    GO YANKEES!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,504
    I know many of us here are "new car only" guys & many are "used car/demo car only" guys. While the debate will always go on and on, here is a nice purchase my buddy picked up:

    2011 Audi CPO A5 2.0T Coupe. I'm not sure If its a Premium Plus or Prestige. Its has a lot of options, I wont say LOADED, because I'm sure its missing some. Black/Brown Leather, Auto, NAv, Xenon Lights, sunroof... MSRP of well over $50K. 42,000 miles. The girl who leased it before, got it in late '10 and took a 2 year lease, then got bought out by a "pull ahead" program. He bought it for $37K Out the Door. Dealer showed him full service records. Oil Changed every 3K, even though the mechanics told her every 10K is what the car calls for.

    Nice ride for a great price.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,380
    42,000 miles in 1.5 years on a lease? talk about a mistmatch!

    not sure how much I would pay for something like that. lot of miles to start with. and if you drive a fair amount, in a couple years you will be in that 80/90K range, and the value is going to get hammered.

    a deal like this I will always look at anticipated use (miles) and duration (how long to hang onto it).

    Me, I am fine with used (such as the 2007 X3 I found), but my wife really wants to have a nice new car for herself (new car smell, no one else's "emissions" in it). So not sure I could sell her on it, even though it will save a lot of $ outlay now.

    odds are that I won't be buying new for myself any time soon though.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    It sounds like it’s going to be HOT everywhere in the East/Northeast.

    Even up here near Toronto it is 96 right now with a high of 98 predicted. I had to go to the store and when I got out of the car I thought I was going to melt!

    Tomorrow it is going to cool down to 80!

    Imagine those people without electricity for this week!

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    I've been reading all the posts, but stopped posting until
    most of Virginia is back on the grid.


    I was wondering how you were doing with the new Mustang and if your power was on. I suppose you could go out and cool down in the car every once in awhile if it was a problem.

    I don't think posting will use up too much electricity from the grid...lol.

    Nice having an update on your car, glad you don't want to trade it in yet.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    2011 Audi CPO A5 2.0T Coupe. I'm not sure If its a Premium Plus or Prestige.

    When we were looking for an A4 we test drove a 2011 A5 because that was the only equivalent manual they had in stock.

    I think your friend got a great car because it is a great looking car and it handles so well. I don't think the 42K miles is a huge problem because they had to be highway miles to put them on that fast.

    I was reading where Audi might start to manufacture in the U.S. to get the costs down and increase sales...just like they did successfully with the Passat.

    It will be interesting to hear your impressions of the car once you go for a ride in it.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    Nice car; I will say that I could be tempted by a S5 mit der stick...

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    my daughter just reported from our pool that the temp is up to 91. more like a sauna than a swimming pool!

    The pools around here are pretty warm too but not 91. On July 4 th at Son #2s it was only 82 but it rained a couple days before that so that cooled it off from around 86 he said but I was fine with the 82.

    I know you guys are going to think that I’ve had too much lemonade but I had a hard time wrapping my brain around this one myself:

    When we lived in SC we went to Hilton Head lots of times (only 2 1/2 hours away). One summer during the week of July 4 th (maybe ’95) both sons came down for a visit so we went to Hilton Head. The water temp in the Atlantic was 92; yeah I said the OCEAN was 92 and it felt like it. I still can’t believe it. The first time I told the know-it-all engineers I work with about that I got, “sure jmonroe, sure. Now lets go get you a coffee…BLACK, before the boss shows up”. :sick:

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,380
    You, my learned friend, are easily distracted by shiny objects...

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,380
    I'm more used to the Jersey shore in late July/early August, where the temp might range from 59-72 or so. Never toward the 90s though.

    our pool tends to run warm, since the back yard gets full sun all day, so when it is this hot and sunny it really gets hot. Good news is, never need a solar cover!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    edited July 2012
    You, my learned friend, are easily distracted by shiny objects...

    Guilty as charged; but when it comes to actually buying I tend to stay with vehicles from Hiroshima, Munich or Toledo... ;)

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    Be glad this isn't your local weather forecast.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    Sorry to get off the topic of cars again, but..................

    Just a brief note: I did learn a valuable lesson from my experience yesterday with the drain pipe from the sink. The lesson is, line a plumber before an emergency happens, ask friends or people at work. I have a plumber that 2 people at work highly recommend. I am sure the job could have been done for 1/3 of the price, but you don't have much choice in these situations, unless you are prepared.

    Now a question that won't be easy to answer. There are marks left in the stainless steel sink from using a powerful drain cleaner called Lightening. Also, food was left on the inside of the dishwasher door over night and it stained the stainless steel door.

    As anyone had this kind of problem or knows of the way to get rid of the stains?

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    Be glad this isn't your local weather forecast.

    Clever.....and makes me feel a little better.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676
    Is the stainless the type that has a texture like it would have if you used a Brillo pad rather than being polished? You might try that on it, but the sulphuric acid that's in the Lightning is probably the problem. Check the label on the container if you can. Someone on the net said it's sulphuric acid buffered which is still sulphuric acid. In searching I found some stainless steels are resistant more than others. You might try stainless steel specific polishes and cleaners. The damage may become less obvious with time if the Brillo buffing idea isn't correct for the texture of the surface.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,618
    edited July 2012
    . . .I would have saved myself about 500 hours of time this last year.

    Plus the multiple for those who read or responded to the responses.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Well, that sure gets me up to date. Thanks, TJC. Of course, some things don't change. We were talking about dishwashers last summer, I believe.

    However, GG in an Audi? Last I heard he sold the Acura and bought the BMW. So glad to hear that Richard moved into a small place. :) ...and that Driver finally pulled the trigger on a Florida home.

    Mostly glad to hear that Fezo is alive and well... hopefully, everyone else is as well.

    But Isell and Kia? Say it ain't so! I'll have to go hunt down the Kia stores in the area and find him.

    You can thank Kirstie's FaceBook post for motivating me to come say hi. My dad died on Aug. 1 and I got way behind and never really got back into reading past messages... although I used to read a couple of weeks worth at a time.

    I'm still driving the 06 Accord (manual, of course). I came out of retirement last month but not back to education. I went to work for my church 4 days a week. Great fun, great people.

    So great to hear from familiar faces... er, usernames. :) But no Edmunds facelift in a year????
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Yes, I do need to find jmonroe's story. Too much wax, perhaps?
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786
    edited July 2012
    42,000 miles in 1.5 years on a lease? talk about a mistmatch!

    not sure how much I would pay for something like that. lot of miles to start with. and if you drive a fair amount, in a couple years you will be in that 80/90K range, and the value is going to get hammered.


    OTOH, I have traditionally done well on buys like this (Okay, maybe this one is a bit extreme). I drive less than avg miles as I work from home, so a high mile lease return or the odd duck like a one year old car with 25-30k miles could often times be bought cheap for the model year. By the time I'm ready to move on, the miles are back to average (or better), and the resale evens out for a low TCO. I have been on the lookout for something like this on my truck hunt, but with the used car market now doing its thing, those deals aren't there anymore.

    I wouldn't want to be the guy turning in the lease that far over on the miles, however ($$$).

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,380
    I did that with my recent volvo purchase. 5 YO (elapsed time), but 91K but the price reflected the miles, and it was in great condition (must have been a lot of easy highway time)

    but, I WFH too now, and just use it around town, and at the end of the year my duaghter will be using it. So ideally, maybe 5K year average, so in 6 years it will maybe be 120-125k? reasonable to me.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    Is the stainless the type that has a texture like it would have if you used a Brillo pad rather than being polished?

    Yes, they are both like dull brushed stainless steel. The lightening container is gone, but I might be able to find if it has sulphuric acid in it.

    I think it would be worth trying a polish as you suggested. It actually seems to be coming out slowly as the sink gets used and the dishwasher is used, I would say it is getting lighter each time.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,593
    But no Edmunds facelift in a year????

    I think there has been a facelift within the last year. The page looks different and we haven't been able to post for many days at a time.

    Sometimes the emotorcons disappeared, lots of fun....and you missed it all.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Disappearing emotorcons, no posts for days at a time... sounds familiar to me. ;) But I did miss the great people and all the sales stories.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123
    tallman.....just a FEW details missing. The Audi S4 is my SO's. I still have the BMW.
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    And I am indeed alive and getting well but I am still in NYC 4 months down the road.

    That said, it looks like I am going home this Wednesday. I'll still have to commute in every couple of weeks or so but that's fine. Will know more Monday.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676
    edited July 2012
    Congratulations on your going home soon.

    Is one of our members here sending a car to pick you up to carry you home? A BMW? Sebring convertible? :blush:

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    edited July 2012
    Yes, I do need to find jmonroe's story.

    OK, since you asked. Go to posts 74779, 74794, 74851, 74861, 74870 and others in the string if you want even more about how I was worked over by both my dealer and Hyundai corp. when the engine blew up in Mrs. jmonroe’s ’05 XG350 with less than 43K miles.

    About this ‘isell’ Kia thing. I believe he is incognito with probably a beard and some body padding to complete his disguise. However, he will be well recognized when you’re at the negotiating table with him due to his disdain for buyers who are hung up on the color of the car they want. That’s what will blow his cover. ;)

    One more thing. I guess we owe one to ‘kirstie’ for dragging you back in here. She has been a model den-mother and has carried our fight to the top dogs at Edmunds who wanted to jack up our dues even more than what they are now. She is very well appreciated around here. That is, unless we find out that she got you back in here with a better discount than what the regulars got last month. :(

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    That said, it looks like I am going home this Wednesday.

    'fez' that's the best news yet. You're in the lead with Energizer Bunny. Don't stop now.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited July 2012
    we lost power for 32 hours

    Being cut off from electric power is, without a doubt, one of the most horrendous situations to be in!!!

    Back in 2007, we got a direct hit from hurricane Wilma in mid-October. We were without power for 5 days. We had no running water for 4 of those days - couldn't take a shower because the city uses electric power to pump water put of the aquifers. I had to take a big bucket down to our pool and fill it up so we could flush the toilets. We went over to city hall to get drinking water and gas stations could not pump the gas out of their storage tanks. So I went over to the dealership where I worked and we siphoned gasoline from the new cars and trucks on the lot and gave it to our employees.

    It was so hot down here (October is a very warm month here in South Florida) so we went to the dealership where the owner had two huge diesel generators which he used to run the air-conditioning. So we stayed there until the power was back on. In Boca Raton and Delray Beach, many homes were without power for 3 weeks.

    Definitely don't want to go through something like that again. We lost 70% of the trees here in our condo community.

    2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123
    That said, it looks like I am going home this Wednesday.

    Great news!!!!!! :):):)
    2024 Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD Long Range
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I wouldn't make them choose between a BMW and a convertible. A BMW convertible would be just fine. Rather than have them go through the trouble of driving it back home I would gladly pay their air fare back to wherever and just keep the car. Just the kind of guy I am.

    Talking to a woman here last night. Unlike me she doesn't have nice insurance and currently owed $4 million for treatment! Of course there is no way she'll ever be able to pay it. Got to find her some outfit that picks up such cases. Meanwhile they continue to treat her.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,380
    you know that it is just going to end up in BK court anyway. She knows it, the hospital knows it. Just the way the game is played I guess.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Back in 2007, we got a direct hit from hurricane Wilma in mid-October.

    In Boca Raton and Delray Beach, many homes were without power for 3 weeks.

    Definitely don't want to go through something like that again. We lost 70% of the trees here in our condo community.


    My brother lives in Delray Beach and I heard and saw some of the devastation that Wilma dealt out in October 2005 (I’m sure you meant 2005 not 2007). He and most of the people in his over 55 community (off Hagen Ranch Road) lost their pool screened in covering. Because of all the people that were having that replaced I think it was around 5 months before he finally got his but that was all the damage that he had. The communities common areas did have landscape damage but where he is it wasn’t as bad as 70%. When I visited him in January 2006, I remember seeing a home made sign at The Boys store in an old time horse drawn cart that said “Thanks Wilma”. :mad:

    I hope your pneumonia is on the way out. BTW, what is it with you south Florida retirees? A few months ago my brother contracted Legionnaires Disease, which as I understand it, is an upscale designers version of the common garden variety of pneumonia that you have/had.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

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