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  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    Driver,

    Icons are their top of the line blades. They have a bunch of features that their other ones don't. I really like that there are no adapters needed required to install them (at least in the cars I've used them in.)

    I looked up a 2012 535i and it said:

    26OE Icon Front Left
    http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-26OE-ICON-Wiper-Blade/dp/B005JU60ZK/ref

    19OE Icon Front Right
    http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-19OE-ICON-Wiper-Blade/dp/B005JU5Z74/ref

    Let me know if you'd like me to look up another car. Amazon also lets you check if it fits your car.

    Your blades are more expensive than mine.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,248
    There really isn't any "research" necessary as the process of killing (inactivating) viruses is well known, and has been for a long time. A virus has a limited survival period outside of a living host, and cannot survive or replicate when exposed to high temperatures (170-degrees+). Heat exposure is the most common way to inactivate a virus, as it's guaranteed - there's no scientific basis for argument on probability of survival, as it is 0%.

    I don't believe anyone recommends a flu vaccine for those who aren't well at the time of inoculation.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,991
    But, how do you know that the Earth isn't flat?

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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Unfortunately, when I went to find out the price the screen wouldn't give me a price, and it said;

    Go to the local AutoZone - they carry the Bosch Icons.

    I've used them in the past on my Honda vehicles and although they work, they have the same problem as any other aftermarket wiper blade - they don't stay down as well as the original OEM blade. But in the snow, they are great as there is no openings for ice to freeze onto.

    With my Passat, the OEM VW blade is the same price as the Icon and uses the OEM mount so no adapter required to fit the Icons. The OEM blades on my Explorer are less than the Icons. BTW, both use the same type of design.

    Personally I change blades once a year. The weather in New England is brutal on the wipers.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I looked up a 2012 535i and it said:
    26OE Icon Front Left
    19OE Icon Front Right

    Verdugo....those are the right ones........and that is what I'll get. The left one is $22 and the right one $20 for some unknown reason, which I would be curious to know why.

    The two will cost about $44 with free shipping, much better than the dealers price of $140.......and they are probably better quality.

    Thanks, very helpful.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Go to the local AutoZone - they carry the Bosch Icons.

    Thanks for the info. It would cost about $1 or $2 more to buy from Autozone, which is close enough.

    This one has a larger difference between Left and right, $25 and $20.
    I guess the left blade could be larger......wider arc. hmmmm.

    Well, it is a toss up. I could get the left from amazon and the right from autozone and save $2 to $3. But then I would miss out on the free shipping.

    Have to think about that one.

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  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    Amazon also lets you check if it fits your car.

    Thanks for that link. I order tons from Amazon, but when wifey said "my wipers are not working right", I figured on going to the dealer. Now I just ordered from Amazon (Valeo 600-22 Series. CR says they're the ones to buy). Thanks

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    edited January 2013
    The left one is $22 and the right one $20 for some unknown reason, which I would be curious to know why.

    The one on the left is probably a couple of inches longer. Size matters.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,418
    Until you get t-boned by a big and very heavy...otherwise, I agree.

    I guess that it all depends on your comfort level; my biggest car car I ever owned was my first- a 1974 Monte Carlo. If I never again drive anything over 170" long and over 3500 lbs. I'll be happy as a pig in mud.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    But, how do you know that the Earth isn't flat?

    Because she goes for loooong walks and has never fallen off. :P

    FWIW, I have been getting flu shots for at least 10 years at the suggestion of my doctor because he feels people over 55 should get them. I told him I swore off of flu shots ever since I got out of the Navy. I told him I was a member of a flight crew and because of where we flew we had to get them twice a year and I got the flu every single time. His response was what we have been saying on this forum, "they use a dead flu virus today not the live virus as they did many years ago. Damn, are you really that old? (he looks at my chart to confirm I'm not confused). So, you won't have those problems anymore". So far so good and I don't even get a sore arm anymore.

    Just like cars, technology is pretty good these days. :)

    jmonroe

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  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    Glad I could help. Smart on amazon's part to include that. It reduces return rates.
  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    This one has a larger difference between Left and right, $25 and $20.
    I guess the left blade could be larger......wider arc. hmmmm.


    I figured as much. 26 vs 19 are the product codes. But could the left one really be 5" longer? Driver, you'll have to let us know. :)
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    The one on the left is probably a couple of inches longer.

    Yes, at first I assumed they would both be the same size, but the left one probably makes a larger arc......I don't remember changing wiper blades on any BMWs.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I figured as much. 26 vs 19 are the product codes. But could the left one really be 5" longer?

    I just checked and that's what they are 26" for left and 19 " for the right.

    The Evolution wipers are not as expensive, so probably not as good, but the codes are 4826 and 4819. Now I know why.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    >Until you get t-boned by a big and very heavy...otherwise, I agree.

    Just during the week a Mini was hit by a larger vehicle and the comment was that the injury or death of one of the people was due to the car's being so small. There was something about having to tear apart the car to get the person out... I listen to lots of Cincy/Louisville/Dayton and some Columbus radiio. I believe it was there rather than a local TV station showing the accident. So I don't have a definite link.

    To me it's obvious if most other vehicles on the road are larger than a Mini, you're likely to be hit by someone larger, heavier and with much more momentum than your vehicle.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,133
    IMO, a Mini, Smart Car, and Fiat 500 are just too small to be safe in today's world of 5000 lb SUVs and 4000 lb mid size cars. I know in NJ I wouldn't be caught dead in one.

    RB I know you like smaller cars, but I wouldn't DD that 2002 you have. It's not overly small, but doesn't have the safety equipment of the newer cars and would put you at a serious disadvantage in a collision.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    >Mini, Smart Car, and Fiat 500 are just too small to be safe in today's world of 5000 lb SUVs and 4000 lb mid size cars.

    Same for a Miata, Sky, Solstice, s2000 and many others. They're fun cars and some people take the known risk. Which is more fun, driving to work in a Miata or a Buick Enclave?

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Got out of the water and reached in my pocket, and there were the keys to my $60K 5er dripping wet still in my pocket. I was a bit concerned, and I don't imagine these keys are cheap - the kind that start the car while they are in your pocket.

    Anyway, I got home, locked and unlocked the car. Started it up fine. I am glad these guys thought to make them waterproof, or is it klutzproof? Anyway whewwwwww!


    I think I mentioned that I did the same STUPID thing.

    The summer after I got the Genny (August ’09) we were invited to use the extra bedroom at my brothers time-share condo in Myrtle Beach when one of his kids decided not to go. I usually don’t even take my car keys when I go to the pool but there was something I wanted to get from the car on my way to the pool area/beach. Even when I do take my keys I put them in Mrs. j’s beach bag but for some reason she decided at the last minute she wanted to do something in the kitchen so I left by myself. I got what I wanted from the car and waited for her but she didn’t show up right away, when I still remembered to put the key in her bag. Got to talking to some people and then my brother said, “are you going to sit here all day or are you going to go into the ocean now”?

    I go into the Atlantic and a couple of minutes later I realize I have the key in my pocket. :sick: I make a quick exit from the ocean and go to the poll area. I take the gizmo apart, remove the battery and use a fresh water spigot that was near the pool to flush it for a few seconds, tapped it, blew it out as best as I could then I put it in the sun to dry. In 20 minutes it was completely dry. I go to the car and when I was about 80 feet away (anxious I guess) I hit the open button even though I figured that I was out of range but I saw the tail lights flash. Just like you, whew.

    When we travel I always take her key as a back up so I knew I wouldn’t be stranded while on vacation and it never acted up. Being the paranoid type that I am, when we got home, I took her gizmo with me for about a month (battery removed but still with me) just waiting for mine to die but it never did.

    I still blame her for not leaving the condo when I did. :mad:

    jmonroe

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,133
    How is the Genny treating you?

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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    I would say at least that is an excellent argument to not recommend the flu shot from someone not yet fully 100% recovered from a sickness or prior flu.

    Andres, you are free to believe anything you want - that's your right. But before you espouse a belief that is not factual, you end up convincing others that your belief is, in fact, true and therefore people should not get the flu vaccine.

    Sick people and the elderly should be inoculated because getting the flu could be deadly. Over 20,000 people in the country die each year from complications arising from the flu.

    But as long as you do state that it is an opinion you have which is not factual!

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,343
    "...SmartCar..."

    Look up a YouTube video titled "SmartCar crash test". It show one being run into a wall at 70mph. It held up pretty well although they mention occupants would have been killed.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,874
    Evolution's seem to be the OEM blades.
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,874
    My commute involves interaction with dozen's of 18 wheelers, so I don't feel less safe in my Mustang convertible than my Explorer.
    Either one one could be crushed and maybe the 18 wheeler driver might notice.
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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    I know in NJ I wouldn't be caught dead in one.

    I don't have problems getting in those cars, it's the getting out I have problems with. So if I ever got into a Fiat 500 or a Porsche Carrera, I would be inside for the rest of my life - I can't get out of those cars.

    I agree with you *tjc, mainly because they are death traps on the interstates when doing 70mph. They are also seriously affected by crosswinds.

    Of the small cars on the road today, the Mini Cooper is, in my opinion, the safest and most stable. But I would not own one (especially since I'd never be able to get out of the car).

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,874
    edited January 2013
    Hi Burner,
    I tried to post these pictures of some 2002's months ago (might be a 1600 or two mixed in there).
    Driver and Imid coached me through how to post a picture and I don't want to get too rusty at it.
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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,711
    >don't feel less safe in my Mustang convertible than my Explorer.

    Many years back on I70 in this area traffic often came to a half due to construction. A pickup truck wasn't even safe enough--he was crushed between two semis when the semi behind him didn't both to slow down and stop.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,418
    I tried to post these pictures of some 2002's months ago (might be a 1600 or two mixed in there).

    Thanks, those are some great shots. Like I said, I'd happily drive a 1973 2002tii(with upgraded A/C) year round.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Driver and Imid coached me through how to post a picture and I don't want to get too rusty at it.

    You have learned well Grasshopper.....beautiful pictures. That yellow one would have made a great little Florida car.

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    Andres, you are free to believe anything you want - that's your right.

    Mike, you are 100% correct. Unfortunately, I think your efforts might be a waste of your valuable time. I kind of enjoy Andres wonderful way of seeing things, but, we spent a few weeks trying to convince him that CVS drug stores were not obligated to give him a $7 refund for a watch he wanted to return.....without a receipt. He thought management should go through video recordings to see if they could spot him buying the watch.

    As Voltaire said:
    I may disagree with what he says, but I'll defend his right to say it.

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,966
    You mention a survival period, surely if a waiting period instead of a heating period is used, survivability could be over 0% if you rush things.

    I don't believe anyone recommends a flu vaccine for those who aren't well at the time of inoculation.

    So your saying I have a good malpractice lawsuit to put against my doctor at Kaiser? Have a great lawyer to recommend? I'll give you 1% of the lawsuit if you recommend a winner! My doctor did exactly that, recommended the flu vaccine despite the fact I wasn't fully recovered from the first flu yet.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,966
    You are misremembering and misquoting me now.

    First, it was Rite Aid (and yes, Rite Aid is on the verge of bankruptcy; good riddens to them).

    Second, they did give me money for my returned watch, just only 70% or so of what I paid originally for a watch I had all of a few days, and it was in perfect condition.

    I insisted to the manager that he pay a full and fair refund, and he insisted it was on sale (starting that day just a few hours earlier when they opened), and so he'd give me the sale price; despite the fact he didn't think I bought it within the last 2 hours.

    Trust me, Rite Aid has lost about 18 years of business that went to Longs Drugs, Wal-Mart, and Target instead. I've also steered my wife and others away from Rite Aid because of the manager's idiotic decision.

    As I said, good riddens. I may shop their merchandise when it's on a 75% off fire sale clearance for bankruptcy, and I'll enjoy every minute of it!
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,966
    To me it's obvious if most other vehicles on the road are larger than a Mini, you're likely to be hit by someone larger, heavier and with much more momentum than your vehicle.

    But it's much easier to dodge and be missed in a Mini than it is in a Suburban. For one, you are a smaller target, and for two, more manueverable and if you are paying attention, you won't get nailed (at least not t-boned; sometimes getting rear-ended is inavoidable).
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,966
    edited January 2013
    You keep mentioning facts but do you really know them as facts.

    First, you are assuming that Kaiser didn't skimp out and get "cheap" in their vaccinations. Perhaps they went to a vendor that wasn't using the right amount of heat and time to kill all the viruses?

    What about quality control? How can you be so sure it's foolproof? I hear of HIV being transfused into an otherwise healthy patient all the time with donated blood. Mistakes happen; it's called human error.

    For all I know my San Diego area Kaiser got the supply from TJ, Mexico, and they failed to keep it long enough to kill all the viruses, or heated it to 150 degrees instead of 170.

    You seem so sure of your facts yet were you personally involved with my injection from manufacture, to transport, shipping, and delivery? How do you know the needle wasn't tainted?

    As with anything medical, there are risks associated with any procedure, and no, vaccines aren't 100% foolproof just like anything.

    What I do know is that I got sick twice (I think the flu twice) in a row. Different strains back to back? Possible, but highly unlikely. Never happened in my entire life of 34 years except that one time I let that needle go in my arm.
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  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited January 2013
    Mike, you are 100% correct. Unfortunately, I think your efforts might be a waste of your valuable time

    Thanks, *driver, I think I understand after reading his last posts. One way to respond is, "...I'm DONE..."! Responding to the last few posts will only frustrate me, and I have enough of that in my life!

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  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    edited January 2013
    Second, they did give me money for my returned watch, just only 70% or so of what I paid originally for a watch I had all of a few days,

    We bought a $60 halogen reading lamp at IKEA over a year ago....December 2011. All of a sudden it didn't work properly....would flash on and off Jan 2013.

    It had a 60 day warranty. Since we are away for most of the year it was used for less than 2 months. We wanted to buy replacement, because we liked it so much, and we wanted to go back and buy a 2nd light as well.

    I took the light back to IKEA, waited in line. I explained we didn't have the receipt, the lamp shines bright, then dim. Without even blinking she said, let me look up the price of this model....we will refund you the full amount, but at whatever the lowest price was during the year(makes sense, I am sure people would buy at the low price then try to get a refund for the higher price).

    I told the nice customer service rep that was OK with me, if when I buy the 2nd light, they charge me the same lower price....ha ha.

    Anyway, the lamp was never on sale, so we were given a credit card so we could pick up a new light at no charge, and we bought another one.

    I was impressed that IKEA handled this so well. It makes sense, who would go through the trouble, of bringing back a light, getting a new one, and that dragging a new one home, and assembling it, all to try to get a newer light.

    Rite Aid was well within their rights and actually were doing much more than they had to, by offering a refund for an item without a receipt.
    Stores don't have to give a refund if you can't prove you bought it there.

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    How is the Genny treating you?

    Fine so far. In fact, just last week it turned 50K miles (got it in March ’09). So it appears that once you get past the dreaded 43K mile point with a Hyundai, like when the ’05 XG350 blew up, you can relax.

    For me a car with 50K miles is really miled up because I’ve never put that kind of miles on a car going to work. I was spoiled for most of my working career because I only drove less that 10 miles round trip and a lot of the times less than 6. Now I drive around 45 miles round trip so that is a real shocker for me. At least they are very easy miles because about 40 of those are PA Turnpike miles. When I get home we almost always take Mrs. j’s car so I don’t mile up the Genny running it around town. Plus, it lets me know how the Subie is doing.

    Just for the fun of it whenever I get rid of it (dealer or private sale) I’m going to be sure to make a point of it that almost all of those miles are highway miles. I know, dealers especially have heard this with every trade they take, but in my case I can hold a straight face when I say it. I know it won’t mean a thing but I’m going to let them know how it was driven. Heck, I might just talk myself into keeping it if I can’t get at least a little bump out of them. :) It still looks pretty good to me although right now it has some winter PA pike grime on it. :(

    jmonroe

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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,966
    Because of the brand and type of watch, I don't believe where the watch was bought was contested or refuted or up for discussion. The manager never brought that up in his argument.

    Big difference with your IKEA story; you had that light for over a year! I had the watch well within the (perhaps 60 day warranty period), and my best recollection is I returned it after a week at most (maybe 5 days). That's a HUGE difference.

    Maybe he should of refused to give a refund. That policy would have made more sense than paying back pennies on the dollar. AS long as he could show me where in writing it stated that on the reciept (back of receipt probably), or in the store on a big sign, I could accept that they don't accept any returns without a receipt as long as that was their policy before the incident and not just conveniently after. No where in the store did I see we'll refund items at pennies on the dollar if you forget or lose your receipt.

    Anyway, he admited the sale price had just started a couple hours earlier that morning. He even admitted he didn't think I had just bought it only to return it a couple hours later. So that policy holds no water. It doesn't apply nor make sense to my case. It is frankly, irrelevant.

    If he'd of sent me packing to look for that receipt, maybe I'd of found it, or maybe I'd come back with an itemized credit card detailed statement proving I bought it there. Either way would have been a better argument than "a sale started a few hours ago today, so I'm gonna slight you."

    The bottom line is Rite Aid is on death's door and Ikea is still in business.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,251
    edited January 2013
    If you had your original receipt, why didn't they just give you a refund for that price since they had the information right in front of them. What am I missing here?
    Just read that you did not have a receipt so he did what he had to do...that's why it's best to just keep the receipt in the box it came with for at least a year...for just this situation. It's not the stores fault that you lost the receipt...it's on sale now, so that the price you get. Any Walgreens or CVS will have the same policy. Lesson learned here folks...KEEP YOUR RECEIPTS!

    The Sandman :confuse:

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  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Anyway, he admited the sale price had just started a couple hours earlier that morning. He even admitted he didn't think I had just bought it only to return it a couple hours later. So that policy holds no water.

    I’ll admit that the manager used a pretty lame excuse for not giving you a full refund but it appears that he has the right to be unreasonable and hang onto “store policy” if he wants to. I ran into a much more costly technicality when the XG350 blew up than what you did with a watch and I’m still kicking myself to this day for not putting up more of a fight than I did. All I’ve been able to do so far is to take a few sales away from my unreasonable dealer and he knows it. I doubt that it’s worth the time and effort to do that with Rite-Aid for penny ante purchases but you can always give it a try.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,248
    I'm afraid that if you don't understand standard medical laboratory Q/A, particularly when it comes to something as well-understood as survival period of viruses, no one can help you.

    And, since you seem to have the worst luck of all time, ever, in the history of mankind, with people constantly out to get one over on you, I'll acquiesce to the notion that your doctor deliberately malpracticed, and additionally, likely got the vaccine on the internet black market, which was made by Indonesian 5-year olds and packed in syringes tainted with cholera.

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  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    Well put, Kirstie. I'm thinking andres needs to stop being angry with the world in general. He's too young to have built up such a low tolerance for life. Wait until he hits 60 or 70 like a lot of us here. My 85 year old mother would have him take that watch out to the garage, hit it with a hammer then yell like Tarzan and never think about it again. Life's too short to bog down on little stuff.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Our store had several Smart Cars traded in that had less then 1000 miles on them. People bought them and quickly grew to hate them.

    I was a passenger in one once and it scared me so bad I couldn't wait to get out of it. In the snow they are worthless.

    One step better than walking....nope...I'ld rather walk!
  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,388
    edited January 2013
    ...And, since you seem to have the worst luck of all time, ever, in the history of mankind...

    Kirstie, after I read *driver's comments about my trying to educate someone who seems to be uneducable, I took his advice and said "I'M DONE" and refuse to respond to the individual. Perhaps I should repeat this caution to you - why try to box your way out of a paper bag or continue to respond to those posts when you know you cannot change anything or educate him. Say to yourself, "I'M DONE!"

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,248
    I'd sooner have a moped.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I have, several times said "I'M DONE" responding to his inane posts but then I forget and get roped in.

    This time...I'M DONE!
  • sterlingdogsterlingdog Member Posts: 6,984
    Andres, I'm not posting to you again about the watch. I learned that lesson when you first appeared here with your story last year. I'm actually posting because you're such a young man to be feeling so bitter about the world. You seem to be an intelligent person who gives a lot of thought to various issues. That is a good thing. What bothers me is that you take things so to heart when you need to realize that life has some big and small bumps in the road. It's how we react to those bumps that's important in terms of living a healthy and happy life.

    You had a problem with a $7 watch, but you recovered 70% ($4.90) of your cost. The loss of $2.10 is unfortunate but not worth hating Rite-Aid or its manager. In addition, individual stores are different though they belong to the same chain. Another Rite-Aid store may have refused any refund; another may have given you a full refund. Regardless of what happened, I wish that you could see the situation in a more positive light. It really isn't healthy to dwell upon a problem for too long, even minor problems.

    The flu shot is another example; it's your choice. I'm sure that your doctor would never intentionly set out to make you sick. It's not something for you to consider as law suit material. Law suits are expensive, time consuming, and very stressful. One should only embark on that path in the worst of situations and when there is no other avenue available. Even then, you have to consider the cost to you in so many ways. Take it from an old man who knows. Winning a law suit doesn't necessarily end in happiness. The loss of relationships with friends, family, and professionals can be a big price to pay.

    At the age of 34, I would like to think of you as being an optimistic young person who concentrates on the wonderful possibilities for the future. You want to be a happy and productive person---and i'm sure that you are in many ways. Try to avoid the negative as much as you can. Life was never promised to always be fair or easy. It's how we deal with it that makes the difference. If you're not very happy or have a lot of negative feelings about things, it wouldn't hurt to speak with someone you trust---minister, physician, counselor, close friend, family member, etc. I'm sure that I speak for all of us here when I say that we wish you well, and that we appreciate your contributions to this forum. We'll be hoping for a positive post in the near future.

    Richard
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 32,594
    I'd sooner have a moped.

    Yeh, at least you know your chances are slim to none....so you won't have any false illusions about your safety.

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,248
    You forgot about the best part - it's a tiny fraction of the cost. I could actually get by with one here fairly easily. No store that I frequent is more than 1.5 miles away, all on roads that only lead into and out of this neighborhood, which is itself a dead-end. Very little traffic, and I never go out (locally) at night.

    Anything could happen, and I could get clobbered, but it beats walking, and it beats spending a lot of money on a vehicle I simply don't want.

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  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    And apparently I can't do math. That's 7" longer not 5".
  • verdugoverdugo Member Posts: 2,288
    It held up pretty well although they mention occupants would have been killed.

    Who cares how it held up if the occupants are dead? :sick:

    I also saw a video (it was a British program, and no, it wasn't Top Gear) where they crashed a mini at 70mph into a concrete barrier. The occupants would have survived.

    The thing that I didn't like is that the Smart hit the barrier at 45 degrees, not head on. At 90 degrees, I don't think anybody would've survived.
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