Perfect, but the chances you will ever need 3 Continentals in the future are slim.
I have been thinking; why not buy a retread RFT tire? It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying four brand new tires. While I understand cost is not necessarily the prime factor in the decision it probably makes sense in this case, since this a leased car.
With that said, I did a little digging and came across this 2005 comment from a U.K. website.
"To date there is very limited experience of retreading this new type of tyre [English spelling] but in principle there is no reason why a sound run flat tyre may not be retreaded. Given the unique structure of the run flat tyre, as already mentioned, they should not be mixed with traditional tyres and so to avoid this risk a retreaded run flat tyre must be marked and identified by the retreader as a run flat tyre."
On the other hand, retread tires suggests desperation and is definitely not de rigueur or fashionable on a late model BMW.
I have been thinking; why not buy a retread RFT tire?
Definitely not to be tried with a run flat. No plugs or repairs are to be done to the tires. Like you said...if you can afford to drive the car, you should be able to buy the proper tires.
I had a 67 Galaxie and I had 4 different tires on it at one point....I hope those days are over for me. The tires on a bmw are critical to the ride and handling, not a time to try to save a few bucks.
What is the designation that shows these tires are run flats. Nothing that I could see said they were run flats. I am sure they are run flats but I would like to know how to tell.
What is the designation that shows these tires are run flats. Nothing that I could see said they were run flats. I am sure they are run flats but I would like to know how to tell.
On the upper left of the description box on the second line under the size you'll see the words "Run Flat."
On the upper left of the description box on the second line under the size you'll see the words "Run Flat."
I was wondering, what if these tires are approaching their time-expiry date?
If tires have a lifespan of 6 years what if these tires were reduced because they are 3 or 4 years old. How can they reduce them 40%?
I noticed the road hazard insurance is $56...suppose that is per tire. BMW wanted $1500 for road hazard insurance, unlimited number if tires if they breakdown.
Another thought. I paid $2500 for 4 RFTs and an alignment. I can lease a Jetta for $100 bi-weekly or $2400 a year. I could have driven in the city with my bad alignment and bulging tires, and driven a Jetta as an extra car for what it cost me for new tires!
Reminds me I once had a color TV in about 1980 when 20 in TVs cost about $500. The sound went and the repair guy said it would cost about $150 to get the sound working. I thought to myself, I can buy a little black and white TV for $100....I could just set it on top of the color TV and I could get my TV fixed for $100, save $50.
Rubber ages due to environmental exposure, UV light, humidity, heat, etc. I'm sure you've seen a brittle piece of rubber hose, bicycle tube, or similar. It may be shorter than you think, but I'd say tires stored in a proper warehouse condition should last much longer than sitting somewhere in a shed or worse, lying outside on the ground. But even then it may not be forever, either.
However, the discount on those Michelins could be something as simple as clearing inventory from old models to make space.
>Here is a nice simple explanation of why tires expire
That must mean I shouldn't be driving on my 21-year old tire on my 1998?
Tom and Joke's column is woefully inadequate. The exposure to the sunlight is a factor in deterioration. My tire has been in a trunk or stored in a corner of my garage since the car it was originally on was sold.
I also had problems. It happens every now and then.
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I get it. I know rubber ages. I just think it's funny that we never heard about or worried about this until just recently.
It would also be affected by weather and temperature. Our CRV which is garaged in misty Seattle as opposed to one that sits cooking in the sun in Phoenix.
That must mean I shouldn't be driving on my 21-year old tire on my 1998?
Isn't a tire from a 98 car 16 years old? Not 21 years old.
It seems rubber does detiorate....all rubber under any conditions. I am sure this is being made to sound worse than it is. Even Tom and Joke do make some fun of detiorating tire warnings....saying maybe the tire companies want to boost their sales.
I tend to think tires will detiorate over time, most things do, and todays tires are more complex than ever. I don't know if I would run out and change a tire because it is 6 years old, but it should probably be examined fairly closely.
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When a Nebraska auction house opens its door to buyers later this year for a special sale of vintage cars and trucks, it will be like pulling the lid off of an automotive time capsule.
The auction is taking place at a dealership that closed its doors abruptly 17 years ago -- and hasn't been touched since. It will feature roughly 500 vehicles dating back to the 1950s, some of them brand new and still on the showroom floor, albeit under a thick coat of dust.
"This is a once in a lifetime auction that collectors only dream about -- finding a 'new' old car in a barn," states a write-up on the website for VanDerBrink Auctions LLC.
The auction will take place on Sept. 28 and 29 in Pierce, Neb.
In a video posted on the site, auctioneer Yvette VanDerBrink takes a tour of the dealership, saying "everything is just like it was left -- the parts counters, the parts books, everything."
And tucked in every nook and cranny of the property are vintage cars and trucks -- many of them still with plastic covers on the seats, stickers in the windows and straight-from-the-factory cardboard floor mats.
the never driven/no miles/in the wrapper is really a novelty. You probably can't drive any of them without a major teardown and rebuild. Kind of defeating the purpose of being all original!
so if you want it for a museum, fine. But not if you plan to drive it!
"That 40k is before rebates, discounts and trade. Taxes, license and dealer fees extra. "
Yeah, and Kia dealers are the worst when it comes to dealer fees, doubling the destination charge and ADM / MVA, etc of anywhere from $3,000 to $6,999 :surprise:
I'll take my NorthStar STS or the misses CTS premium - (both for far less btw) over any Kia anytime.
What is it with Kia dealers anyway, they seem to have the worst write-ups for this nonsense, especially in Florida??? :confuse:
Depends on the car. Go drive a previous generation Maxima, they TS like no other. The older Grand Prix supercharged did as well. My 12 LaCrosse with GM's hyper struts has zero TS.
Still enthusiasts will always prefer RWD.
That dealership with all the undriven cars is interesting. Some of the comments on the article were funny. That Corvette was a waste. It's not worth much, I'd rather have a 30-40k mile example I could actually drive. IMO those cars are best being shined up a put into a museum. Like Stick and Isell said they would need serious work to be driven.
I get it. I know rubber ages. I just think it's funny that we never heard about or worried about this until just recently.
Well, some of us definitely heard about it before. And a long time before. I used to own a motor home, and unless you're a full timer you never wear out the tires, you replace them due to age.
Back when I was in high school, around 1966, a friend of mine bought a 1954 Oldsmobile with 18k miles. The proverbial little old lady who only drove it to church on Sundays, and never exceeded 30 mph. The first time we hit highway speeds, it started throwing chunks of rubber. We made it home, but it felt like running on square tires.
That was quite a car. 324 CID V8 engine, 4 speed automatic, power steering.
What is it with Kia dealers anyway, they seem to have the worst write-ups for this nonsense, especially in Florida???
I sold cars and managed a dealership down here in Southeast Florida and I can tell you one thing - Florida is one of the few states where dealers fees and add-ons run rampant. The owner of the dealership I managed raised his dealer fees to $799 per sale. That, to me, is simply outrageous. But people seem to pay it or that dealership would not be the highest volume dealership for its brand in the world.
To avoid the hassles of dealer fees and add-ons, negotiating a deal OTD (out the door) is the best way to go. OTD prices can be better compared with other dealerships. That one dealer in Palm Beach who advertises that he has no dealer fees is not lower on his OTD price than any other dealer in the area.
Most dealers charge $699 for luxury vehicles and $599 at most other dealers.
As for $40,000 for a Kia, I guess the same could be said for the Genesis. I do know that drivers here in Florida prefer rear wheel drive cars over front wheel drive cars because of the roads and the weather.
You mentioned that your Cadillac Eldorado never had torque steer - neither did my Oldsmobile Toronado - but that's because the engine was not a "transaxle" or placed under the hood transverse mounted. It was mounted the same way all other engines that are rear wheel drive are mounted, but there were special gears that drove the front wheels. That made for a heavier car but it certainly was a very powerful V8.
My experiences with front wheel drive cars have been negative, unfortunately, because of the torque steer. My Pontiac X cars (1970's), my Ford Taurus (1990), my Pontiac Bonneville (2000), all of which had torque steer.
It is my understanding that torque steer has been all but eliminated in the new FWD cars like the Buick Lacrosse. One of these days, will have to test drive one of the newer FWD cars to see what you are talking about.
As for $40,000 for a Kia, I guess the same could be said for the Genesis.
I had a first year Genesis. Mine was a mid-optioned model that stickered for 36K. It certainly looked and felt as nice as any 50K+ luxury model. Great interior materials, fit and finish, etc. The problem was mine was one of the first off the boat and rode terrible. Jittery, uncontrolled and generally a mess IMO. Later 09s got a (unpublished) suspension update.
I got rid of it in about 2 years. It stranded me twice (in two days) and I couldn't take the ride any longer. The Hyundai dealer I bought it from was fantastic to deal with and always went the extra mile. They called the engineers at Hyundai corporate to track down why my car kept loosing all electrics. They tracked it down to bad grounds and fixed it for good on the first visit.
My cousin had an old Chrysler Newport with a 440. He had it pretty worked over. I remember as a kid he surprised many an 80s Iroc Z. There is nothing like a sleeper (especially an ugly noisy one!).
I remember the first time I test drove a '98 Maxima 5 speed. Came up an on ramp and punched it to merge (probably in 3rd gear) and practically shot off the road sideways. I learned then to keep 2 hands on the wheel if you were not cruising in a straight line!
I would not have thought an early Civic had enough torque to steer anything. barely had enough to get the car moving!
when I was in HS, the kid across the street had a friend visiting (they were 1-2 years ahead of me in HS). The friend had his mom's car, and his mom happened to be good friends with my mom.
anyway, it was an early/mid 70's FS plymouth. With the big engine (I think a 440) that they used tow a trailer. so one day he left, and burned rubber most of the way up the hill around from my house. It was spectacular. My mother grilled me as to who the heck did it, but I did not rat the kid out. Even though this was into the days of declining HP, whatever was in that car still had some serious torque.
...and I'll raise you a 1985 Dodge Lancer with the 2.2L turbo.
I see your Lancer and raise you a 1987 Daytona Shelby Z with the 2.2L Turbo II - 174 HP and 200 ft-lbs of torque...I often changed lanes when leaving red lights.
Do not be so fast to dismiss the Candeza. The NY Times believes it to be a worthy competitor to the Avalon, LaCrosse and cars of this ilk. Here are a few excerpts:
"...unlike most competitors, there’s no stripper base version, but rather a single well-equipped Premium model that starts at $35,900. Its features include leather-wrapped seats, an excellent touch-screen navigation system, a 550-watt Infinity audio system, rear-view camera, keyless locking and Kia’s own Uvo telematics system.
From there, a pair of lavish $3,000 option packages — the Luxury group is required if you want the additional Technology package — raise the price to $38,900 and then $41,900.
...This is a good car. And it’s impossible to step from the cabin without being impressed by the quiet style, powerful V-6, generous interior and intuitive technology.
...Inside, the burnished wood and leather do a reasonable Lexus impression. Nappa leather upholstery in the Luxury package, especially, makes the hides in some competitors — including the Avalon, Taurus and Impala — look like diner-booth vinyl.
Aside from that leather upgrade, the Luxury package adds a 12-way power driver’s seat with heat, ventilation and memory settings; an LCD driver’s display; a heated, powered tilt-and-telescope steering wheel; full-length panoramic sunroof with a power sunshade; and high-intensity adaptive headlamps.
The airy cabin lets passengers stretch in all directions,... Switches and systems are universally easy to operate.
The Technology package adds 19-inch alloy wheels, blind-spot and lane-departure monitors and water-repelling front glass. An adaptive cruise control lets the Kia keep smooth pace with traffic, even in stop-and-go Manhattan driving.
...The ride is pleasingly supple and quiet, with excellent bump control that tames every pothole in sight.
...As with other Kias, there’s a 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty; the Cadenza also offers free roadside assistance as well as free scheduled maintenance for three years or 37,500 miles."
The ECU in my 2007 MS3 restricts torque in gears 1-3 as well as when the steering wheel angle is above a certain fixed value. The torque steer that remains is manageable, but the car is obviously handicapped by its drive configuration. That said, 99% of the population aren't aware of the car and it's capabilities. It will eat stock pre-2011 Mustang GTs for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. For some reason a lot of truck owners want to race, the only ones that gives the MS3 a challenge are the Raptor and the SRT Ram-although I hung with one V10 ram to a surprisingly high velocity.From a roll the Mazda is surprisingly quick, especially with the extra 24 bhp added by the Mazdaspeed intake. A large percentage of the subcompact import tuner crowd can't spot it either; the EVO and STi owners are mostly wise to it, but that's about it...
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I could use a little bit of that torque steer in my 2012 Civic. Everything on that car seems geared for maximum mpg. Has neither the torque or horsepower to be considered fun... at least to me.
Not sure how Civic ever got labeled "fun to drive." Small size makes it nimble and tight in turns,and I know driving dynamics have changed changed from model to model, but engine is just adequate.
I averaged nearly 39 mpg combined in the month of June. That was with 1,000 miles driven. Calculated savings of about $1,400 a year in gas money over my 1999 Buick Regal. So that part has exceeded expectations. Though I do miss the overall comfort and driving dynamics of my Regal. Next ride will probably look at a Lacrosse.
Sounds like a lot of car for the money...but I am not sure about those leather wrapped seats. I'll consider one if it comes with a leather wrapped steering wheel as well as seats though.
Sure does; and keeps getting better. Based upon two Boston area dealerships a $39,025 MSRP Cadenza can be had for a little over $31,000. That's a lot of discounting in such a short time on the market. That price is in the same region as the top of the line Optima SX. Apparently, the slick TV advertising is not moving the metal or there is not much product differentiation between the Cadenza and the Optima. Or worse yet, the Cadenza is probably overpriced in the first place.
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I have been thinking; why not buy a retread RFT tire? It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying four brand new tires. While I understand cost is not necessarily the prime factor in the decision it probably makes sense in this case, since this a leased car.
With that said, I did a little digging and came across this 2005 comment from a U.K. website.
"To date there is very limited experience of retreading this new type of tyre [English spelling] but in principle there is no reason why a sound run flat tyre may not be retreaded. Given the unique structure of the run flat tyre, as already mentioned, they should not be mixed with traditional tyres and so to avoid this risk a retreaded run flat tyre must be marked and identified by the retreader as a run flat tyre."
On the other hand, retread tires suggests desperation and is definitely not de rigueur or fashionable on a late model BMW.
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Definitely not to be tried with a run flat. No plugs or repairs are to be done to the tires. Like you said...if you can afford to drive the car, you should be able to buy the proper tires.
I had a 67 Galaxie and I had 4 different tires on it at one point....I hope those days are over for me. The tires on a bmw are critical to the ride and handling, not a time to try to save a few bucks.
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On the upper left of the description box on the second line under the size you'll see the words "Run Flat."
I was wondering, what if these tires are approaching their time-expiry date?
If tires have a lifespan of 6 years what if these tires were reduced because they are 3 or 4 years old. How can they reduce them 40%?
I noticed the road hazard insurance is $56...suppose that is per tire. BMW wanted $1500 for road hazard insurance, unlimited number if tires if they breakdown.
Another thought. I paid $2500 for 4 RFTs and an alignment. I can lease a Jetta for $100 bi-weekly or $2400 a year. I could have driven in the city with my bad alignment and bulging tires, and driven a Jetta as an extra car for what it cost me for new tires!
Reminds me I once had a color TV in about 1980 when 20 in TVs cost about $500. The sound went and the repair guy said it would cost about $150 to get the sound working. I thought to myself, I can buy a little black and white TV for $100....I could just set it on top of the color TV and I could get my TV fixed for $100, save $50.
I ended up buying a new color set for $500.
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Personally, I think unless the tires in question are VERY old that it's a bunch of crap.
Not like a carton of cottage cheese.
However, the discount on those Michelins could be something as simple as clearing inventory from old models to make space.
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I guess just you were on the fritz.
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Here is a nice simple explanation of why tires expire somewhere between 6 and 10 years;
Tires do expire, eventually
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That must mean I shouldn't be driving on my 21-year old tire on my 1998?
Tom and Joke's column is woefully inadequate. The exposure to the sunlight is a factor in deterioration. My tire has been in a trunk or stored in a corner of my garage since the car it was originally on was sold.
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It would also be affected by weather and temperature. Our CRV which is garaged in misty Seattle as opposed to one that sits cooking in the sun in Phoenix.
I just think it's much ado over very little.
Isn't a tire from a 98 car 16 years old? Not 21 years old.
It seems rubber does detiorate....all rubber under any conditions. I am sure this is being made to sound worse than it is. Even Tom and Joke do make some fun of detiorating tire warnings....saying maybe the tire companies want to boost their sales.
I tend to think tires will detiorate over time, most things do, and todays tires are more complex than ever. I don't know if I would run out and change a tire because it is 6 years old, but it should probably be examined fairly closely.
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Published Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:22PM EDT
When a Nebraska auction house opens its door to buyers later this year for a special sale of vintage cars and trucks, it will be like pulling the lid off of an automotive time capsule.
The auction is taking place at a dealership that closed its doors abruptly 17 years ago -- and hasn't been touched since. It will feature roughly 500 vehicles dating back to the 1950s, some of them brand new and still on the showroom floor, albeit under a thick coat of dust.
"This is a once in a lifetime auction that collectors only dream about -- finding a 'new' old car in a barn," states a write-up on the website for VanDerBrink Auctions LLC.
The auction will take place on Sept. 28 and 29 in Pierce, Neb.
In a video posted on the site, auctioneer Yvette VanDerBrink takes a tour of the dealership, saying "everything is just like it was left -- the parts counters, the parts books, everything."
And tucked in every nook and cranny of the property are vintage cars and trucks -- many of them still with plastic covers on the seats, stickers in the windows and straight-from-the-factory cardboard floor mats.
Read entire article; Vintage cars - some in mint condition
If you go to the link there is a video of some of the cars at the dealership.
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Every one of those engines is probably seized. Every gasket is dried out and ready to blow etc.
And....HORRORS!!!! The TIRES!!!!
Just noticed...it looks like the roof of that Cameo is caved in!
I would love to attend that auction.
I didn't say it was from my 98. It is from a 12/92 leSabre.
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so if you want it for a museum, fine. But not if you plan to drive it!
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Yeah, and Kia dealers are the worst when it comes to dealer fees, doubling the destination charge and ADM / MVA, etc of anywhere from $3,000 to $6,999 :surprise:
I'll take my NorthStar STS or the misses CTS premium - (both for far less btw) over any Kia anytime.
What is it with Kia dealers anyway, they seem to have the worst write-ups for this nonsense, especially in Florida??? :confuse:
Still enthusiasts will always prefer RWD.
That dealership with all the undriven cars is interesting. Some of the comments on the article were funny. That Corvette was a waste. It's not worth much, I'd rather have a 30-40k mile example I could actually drive. IMO those cars are best being shined up a put into a museum. Like Stick and Isell said they would need serious work to be driven.
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Well, some of us definitely heard about it before. And a long time before. I used to own a motor home, and unless you're a full timer you never wear out the tires, you replace them due to age.
Back when I was in high school, around 1966, a friend of mine bought a 1954 Oldsmobile with 18k miles. The proverbial little old lady who only drove it to church on Sundays, and never exceeded 30 mph. The first time we hit highway speeds, it started throwing chunks of rubber. We made it home, but it felt like running on square tires.
That was quite a car. 324 CID V8 engine, 4 speed automatic, power steering.
I sold cars and managed a dealership down here in Southeast Florida and I can tell you one thing - Florida is one of the few states where dealers fees and add-ons run rampant. The owner of the dealership I managed raised his dealer fees to $799 per sale. That, to me, is simply outrageous. But people seem to pay it or that dealership would not be the highest volume dealership for its brand in the world.
To avoid the hassles of dealer fees and add-ons, negotiating a deal OTD (out the door) is the best way to go. OTD prices can be better compared with other dealerships. That one dealer in Palm Beach who advertises that he has no dealer fees is not lower on his OTD price than any other dealer in the area.
Most dealers charge $699 for luxury vehicles and $599 at most other dealers.
As for $40,000 for a Kia, I guess the same could be said for the Genesis. I do know that drivers here in Florida prefer rear wheel drive cars over front wheel drive cars because of the roads and the weather.
You mentioned that your Cadillac Eldorado never had torque steer - neither did my Oldsmobile Toronado - but that's because the engine was not a "transaxle" or placed under the hood transverse mounted. It was mounted the same way all other engines that are rear wheel drive are mounted, but there were special gears that drove the front wheels. That made for a heavier car but it certainly was a very powerful V8.
My experiences with front wheel drive cars have been negative, unfortunately, because of the torque steer. My Pontiac X cars (1970's), my Ford Taurus (1990), my Pontiac Bonneville (2000), all of which had torque steer.
It is my understanding that torque steer has been all but eliminated in the new FWD cars like the Buick Lacrosse. One of these days, will have to test drive one of the newer FWD cars to see what you are talking about.
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I had a first year Genesis. Mine was a mid-optioned model that stickered for 36K. It certainly looked and felt as nice as any 50K+ luxury model. Great interior materials, fit and finish, etc. The problem was mine was one of the first off the boat and rode terrible. Jittery, uncontrolled and generally a mess IMO. Later 09s got a (unpublished) suspension update.
I got rid of it in about 2 years. It stranded me twice (in two days) and I couldn't take the ride any longer. The Hyundai dealer I bought it from was fantastic to deal with and always went the extra mile. They called the engineers at Hyundai corporate to track down why my car kept loosing all electrics. They tracked it down to bad grounds and fixed it for good on the first visit.
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That Olds was an extreme example with 12 year old tires.
My dad had a 1955 Olds 98 2 door HT when I was in HS and I can tell you stories about some of the races I won and how shocked the losers were.
And could that car ever BACKFIRE! Turn off the ignition, count to ten, turn it back on...made an M-80 sound like a cap pistol.
Never blew the muffler either for some strange reason?
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I would not have thought an early Civic had enough torque to steer anything. barely had enough to get the car moving!
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anyway, it was an early/mid 70's FS plymouth. With the big engine (I think a 440) that they used tow a trailer. so one day he left, and burned rubber most of the way up the hill around from my house. It was spectacular. My mother grilled me as to who the heck did it, but I did not rat the kid out. Even though this was into the days of declining HP, whatever was in that car still had some serious torque.
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It was beige with blackwall tires, small hubcaps etc and most people probably would have figured it was a slant six.
But...it had a cop car drivetrain. High Performance 383 with a beefed up Torquflight, H.D. suspension and cooling system etc.
That Plymouth could lay a patch of rubber for as long as you stepped on the gas! When it finally shifted to 2nd, it would chirp the rear tires loudly.
That car fooled a lot of street racers at least for awhile.
I'll call your Civic and raise you a Saab 9-3 Viggen..
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I see your Lancer and raise you a 1987 Daytona Shelby Z with the 2.2L Turbo II - 174 HP and 200 ft-lbs of torque...I often changed lanes when leaving red lights.
Those early Civics were bad but it sounds like others were even worse!
"...unlike most competitors, there’s no stripper base version, but rather a single well-equipped Premium model that starts at $35,900. Its features include leather-wrapped seats, an excellent touch-screen navigation system, a 550-watt Infinity audio system, rear-view camera, keyless locking and Kia’s own Uvo telematics system.
From there, a pair of lavish $3,000 option packages — the Luxury group is required if you want the additional Technology package — raise the price to $38,900 and then $41,900.
...This is a good car. And it’s impossible to step from the cabin without being impressed by the quiet style, powerful V-6, generous interior and intuitive technology.
...Inside, the burnished wood and leather do a reasonable Lexus impression. Nappa leather upholstery in the Luxury package, especially, makes the hides in some competitors — including the Avalon, Taurus and Impala — look like diner-booth vinyl.
Aside from that leather upgrade, the Luxury package adds a 12-way power driver’s seat with heat, ventilation and memory settings; an LCD driver’s display; a heated, powered tilt-and-telescope steering wheel; full-length panoramic sunroof with a power sunshade; and high-intensity adaptive headlamps.
The airy cabin lets passengers stretch in all directions,... Switches and systems are universally easy to operate.
The Technology package adds 19-inch alloy wheels, blind-spot and lane-departure monitors and water-repelling front glass. An adaptive cruise control lets the Kia keep smooth pace with traffic, even in stop-and-go Manhattan driving.
...The ride is pleasingly supple and quiet, with excellent bump control that tames every pothole in sight.
...As with other Kias, there’s a 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty; the Cadenza also offers free roadside assistance as well as free scheduled maintenance for three years or 37,500 miles."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/automobiles/autoreviews/getting-comfortable-on- -a-bigger-stage.html?ref=automobiles&pagewanted=all
That said, 99% of the population aren't aware of the car and it's capabilities. It will eat stock pre-2011 Mustang GTs for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. For some reason a lot of truck owners want to race, the only ones that gives the MS3 a challenge are the Raptor and the SRT Ram-although I hung with one V10 ram to a surprisingly high velocity.From a roll the Mazda is surprisingly quick, especially with the extra 24 bhp added by the Mazdaspeed intake. A large percentage of the subcompact import tuner crowd can't spot it either; the EVO and STi owners are mostly wise to it, but that's about it...
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Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Not sure how Civic ever got labeled "fun to drive." Small size makes it nimble and tight in turns,and I know driving dynamics have changed changed from model to model, but engine is just adequate.
I averaged nearly 39 mpg combined in the month of June. That was with 1,000 miles driven. Calculated savings of about $1,400 a year in gas money over my 1999 Buick Regal. So that part has exceeded expectations. Though I do miss the overall comfort and driving dynamics of my Regal. Next ride will probably look at a Lacrosse.
Sounds like a lot of car for the money...but I am not sure about those leather wrapped seats. I'll consider one if it comes with a leather wrapped steering wheel as well as seats though.
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Pays to be a judge when you do that on a regular basis.
The only FWD I own with enough power to cause TS is the Eclipse and that's not even noticeable except under full throttle.
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Sure does; and keeps getting better. Based upon two Boston area dealerships a $39,025 MSRP Cadenza can be had for a little over $31,000. That's a lot of discounting in such a short time on the market. That price is in the same region as the top of the line Optima SX. Apparently, the slick TV advertising is not moving the metal or there is not much product differentiation between the Cadenza and the Optima. Or worse yet, the Cadenza is probably overpriced in the first place.
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