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"Hard and sharp plastic? VERY disappointing since that is one thing that I dislike about my convertible. Thanks for the input."
I didn't think you'd like the CLA. Now the new C Class, that's something else. I was looking at the tons of pictures available now on most sites (2015 C Class). Just google it and you will see what I'm taking about. 40 miles is nothing since you won't see your dealer more than once a year for service.
The C and the E are gorgeous.
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Being from Canada, any car I see with black wheels looks to me like they have their winter rims w/ snow tires on and so looks like crap. I do not like this black wheel fad.
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Buicks use of French based names evokes a feeling of european luxury and grace. Had Ford gone that way with the Edsel it might have changed history. I,for one, was heavily influenced to buy my LaCrosse by this marketing ploy.
Yeah, the oil companies must be using the same "excuse book". Then, they just rotate them on their own whims. The old standby used to be "Middle East oil dependence is the reason the price is so high". Sounds to me like we could cut off their spiggot right now with no ill effects. It also seems that all of North America could provide their own oil that's needed if they're talking about exporting it, as they alluded to.
Big Oil is such a shady business. I always think of the scene in the Wizard of Oz where Toto pulls back the curtain on the "great and powerful Oz" when I hear about the likes of Shell, Conoco, BP, etc. They're either busy sloppily dropping oil in pristine waters, or trying to find another scam excuse to raise prices.
$4/gal seems to be the number that gets the most backlash around my 'burg. That's the number where my neighbors start to [non-permissible content removed] and begin to car pool (we don't have public transportation out in the boonies where I live).
laurasdada....I know you're a Jag fan, as is my sister. Several months ago while I was working in Manchester (U.K.), I rented an XF diesel. Very nice car. You'd be hard pressed to know it was a diesel, though. However, while a nice performer off the line, it ran out of steam quite quickly, which is the oppostie of what people in the U.S. want. Filled up at the end of the week before returning it to the rental agency. Didn't note the price of the fillup until I got my AMEX statement......$150, or thereabouts.
So, you wouldn't like these, either?
(My daughter's new car that she picked up a week ago)
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So, y
ou wouldn't like these, either?
Before you wrote that, I was going to say this. Black wheels can look like winter wheels, but the y do seem to look good on certain cars. I think the car has to be a smaller sportier looking car, and it works best with a car that is black, and possibly red, maybe yellow or silver. I saw a MB CLA all in black with black wheels and it looked pretty nice.
Same with colors...a Mustang can look nice in yellow, but not a full size Ford Taurus.
btw the Mini looks great in all black...it would look even better if it were right side up!
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Yeah, I don't know what's up with that. If you click on the thumbnail at the bottom of the post, it shows up correctly. And, I've been told it's correct on certain devices like an iPad.
The color is called Royal Gray, which is a gray-green shade. Black roof and black wheels.
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Yeah, the oil companies must be using the same "excuse book". Then, they just rotate them on their own whims. The old standby used to be "Middle East oil dependence is the reason the price is so high".
The same old excuses wouldn't work without the "compliant media" that this administration has under their thumb. Recall how the media stories went on and on in the previous administration about how the higher prices were all a government plot by the vice-president's previous company and prices were overlooked because the president had once owned an oil well or something.
Now what do we hear? Crickets. Other than an occasional excuse that we have to give money to companies that are FOB and might make solar panels or windmills as a solution for the nonproven global warming or cooling or whatever it is this decade.
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When I clicked on the picture it was larger and right side up. Also, I can see it is very dark gray and not black. I really like the way they did the side mirrors with British flags, I didn't see that the first time on my laptop PC.
What's an iPad?
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Trying to get more of a European flavor into the Buick line.
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They're called "Black Jack", as the colors are white / black / gray rather than the standard red / white / blue of the Union Jack. She had those added as an accessory.
This is her second MINI .. the first one got to be a bit small for her and she wanted 4 doors. Fully loaded with Nav, sunroof, tech package, heated leather seats. Plus it's an "S" model, so it has the turbocharged engine and AWD.
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That's an excellent point. I have 40K miles on the 2012 535 and I have only been back to the dealer for 2 oil changes and one set of tires...in 2 1/2 years. I am amazed at how little time I have to spend going to the dealer. With an oil change at 15K miles (I know that freaks some people out but I don't think it is a problem considering the new oils and the engineering in todays engines) and not much that goes wrong on a new car, that just isn't an issue.
The CLA is not going to be suitable for Richard...low roofline, not much space inside, low to the ground. Like you said, the new C Class or an E Class would be more his speed.
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That is going to be my downfall! I have an 08 C350 that I love. 37,500 miles and it puts a smile on my face every day I drive it - no logical reason to get rid of it...However I am smitten by the 2015 C-class, it looks fantastic, and the C 400 (or 450?) sport is rumored to have 375 HP, not quite AMG, but 100 HP more that what I currently have. I am going to have to resist a test drive. I fear if I put my foot in to it, I will be signing on the dotted line shortly there after...
Murphy....your C350 is the current C platform, correct? I think it's still one of the nicest looking luxury sedans on the market. Benz has been on something of a "hot streak" lately. I can't help but admire their recent offerings.
Yours? With a potent V6? I'm sure it does bring you plenty of driving pleasure....you haven't even broken it in, yet.
I was considering hitting the NYIAS, maybe camping out in Stamford, Metro North had a good train/ticket deal. But, couldn't swing it, I'm sure it was great.
I'm enjoying the XF, nice road trip to the Berkshires and back. MPG in the high 20s, power whenever you need it and a great ride/handling combo.
Hey, I was at Fenway last night. When is Pined Tar night at Yankee stadium?
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Ha! It was the last time he pitched against the Red Sox! Pineda is such a tool for thinking he could get away with it twice in 2 weeks. He knew the Sox were going to be watching him, he knew the cameras were going to be on him. Use some common sense. Hide it in your glove or on the inside of your belt for cryin' out loud.
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Graphic - you are correct, it is the current platform. Love the looks and how it drives. Profile thumbnail is a rear 3/4 shot of it! It is fantastic to drive, and has plenty of room as well. Only time will tell if I make the switch...
What is it they say in NASCAR - "It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught"
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Hi, Driver: That is actually the Jag XJ, the S, 7 and A8 competitor. Lovely in its own right, although I'm not a fan of the blacked out C pillar. The XF is the E, 5, A6 sedan competitor. The upcoming XE will be the C, 3 and A4 competitive model. Pace with grace.
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Europe (and Top Gear) seem to love their diesels. No personal experience, but from what I understand, torque but not as horsepower-y... I don't buy cars for anyone but myself, of course I never mind when others seem to enjoy my car. My XF is getting a lot of thumbs up from friends and coworkers. For better or worse, it remains unique in an absolute sea of 5s and Es.
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I promise, last post regarding climate change and how experts are so accurate about the outcome to be expected......(fun to read, too).
http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/13-worst-predictions-made-earth-day-1970
It is unclear whether the increased rate reflects an increase in the underlying long-term trend.
Yup, that pretty much sums it up. Of course, if someone wants to use recent trends without analyzing all the science behind them then you will want to run out and buy the New York stock exchange offerings quickly--because the price of stocks has gone up in the last few weeks. Good luck.
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Ummm...one guy that was in that article was a Nobel Laureate (he's since passed away).
Another awarded a Distinguised Scientist Award from the American Association of Scientists.
Another is the Chief Organizer for Earth Day,
These guys aren't scientists? They represent science that isn't "respected"?
I'm willfully ignorant?
MAybe I'm just not that bright. I am among the unwashed and unenlightened masses. That makes me obstintately ignorant.
These guys aren't scientists? They represent science that isn't "respected?"
Silly boy. You're using facts and logic -- rarely works in this environment (intended).
That said, hang in there.
Hi Laurasdad, is this the right car...hard to copy these days, so many sites won't let you do it any more?
This model is smaller and so it probably looks better with the Black Pack. Also, just me, and I like white cars, but I think it looks better in black. I like these Jags as you don't see too many so it is very unique.
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Since we're talking predictions, I wanna know where my free electricity is, and where is my flying car?
Aye, those are XFs. Albeit, older models as in '12 Jag nicely restyled the front end/hood. Notably streamlilned the (imo) awkward headlamps.
I value the "uniqueness." And, so far, the quality, style, ride/handling, comfort (and economy, given its power and a bit extra avoirdupois!).
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GG, just consider the source and don't worry about it. Your views are in the majority of those of us on this forum and also the majority of everyone in the U.S....especially those who are educated and have some understanding the GW scam.
There are only two reasons why someone would still believe (or claim to believe) in this scam. One, they are of an extremely limited intellect, or two, they have some sort of monetary gain to be made by pushing the GW agenda...and there are plenty of each type around.
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Global warming or not, it certainly doesn't hurt to be good to our little planet. Give a hoot, don't pollute! Remember, it's not nice to fool Mother Nature! And, no more tears for our Native American friend...
I'm a skier, I don't want no stinkin' warming during ski season.
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I've bought and sold somewhere between 150-200 cars in my almost 60 years of living, and I can honestly say the subject of global warming has never come up in a single transaction.
Maybe it would if I was buying or selling an electric car, but even then, I doubt it.
At the end of the day, for the masses buying cars, they're far more concerned with their wallet TODAY, not what harm one out of a hundred million cars worldwide might be doing to the environment.... Much as a cigarette smoker doesn't consider the impact an individual cigarette has on his overall health, even though he knows smoking tobacco is likely to kill him in the end.
Global cooling is here and has been for the last 10 years.
Forbes magazine:
"Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. That is because natural climate cycles have already turned from warming to cooling, global temperatures have already been declining for more than 10 years, and global temperatures will continue to decline for another two decades or more.
"That is one of the most interesting conclusions to come out of the seventh International Climate Change Conference sponsored by the Heartland Institute, held last week in Chicago. I attended, and served as one of the speakers, talking about The Economic Implications of High Cost Energy.
"The conference featured serious natural science, contrary to the self-interested political science you hear from government financed global warming alarmists seeking to justify widely expanded regulatory and taxation powers for government bodies, or government body wannabees, such as the United Nations. See for yourself, as the conference speeches are online.
"What you will see are calm, dispassionate presentations by serious, pedigreed scientists discussing and explaining reams of data. In sharp contrast to these climate realists, the climate alarmists have long admitted that they cannot defend their theory that humans are causing catastrophic global warming in public debate. With the conference presentations online, let’s see if the alarmists really do have any response.
"The Heartland Institute has effectively become the international headquarters of the climate realists, an analog to the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). It has achieved that status through these international climate conferences, and the publication of its Climate Change Reconsidered volumes, produced in conjunction with the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC).
"Those Climate Change Reconsidered volumes are an equivalently thorough scientific rebuttal to the irregular Assessment Reports of the UN’s IPCC. You can ask any advocate of human caused catastrophic global warming what their response is to Climate Change Reconsidered. If they have none, they are not qualified to discuss the issue intelligently.
"Check out the 20th century temperature record, and you will find that its up and down pattern does not follow the industrial revolution’s upward march of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), which is the supposed central culprit for man caused global warming (and has been much, much higher in the past). It follows instead the up and down pattern of naturally caused climate cycles.
"For example, temperatures dropped steadily from the late 1940s to the late 1970s. The popular press was even talking about a coming ice age. Ice ages have cyclically occurred roughly every 10,000 years, with a new one actually due around now.
"In the late 1970s, the natural cycles turned warm and temperatures rose until the late 1990s, a trend that political and economic interests have tried to milk mercilessly to their advantage. The incorruptible satellite measured global atmospheric temperatures show less warming during this period than the heavily manipulated land surface temperatures.
Central to these natural cycles is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Every 25 to 30 years the oceans undergo a natural cycle where the colder water below churns to replace the warmer water at the surface, and that affects global temperatures by the fractions of a degree we have seen. The PDO was cold from the late 1940s to the late 1970s, and it was warm from the late 1970s to the late 1990s, similar to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).
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GG, those predictions were incredible...just because someone says it doesn't mean it is true.
(for example - 11. "By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate... that there won't be any more crude oil. You'll drive up to the pump and say, 'Fill 'er up, buddy,' and he'll say, 'I am very sorry, there isn't any.'" - Ecologist Kenneth Watt)
Imid - loved the Earth Day cartoon.
Very interesting comment. I am sure you do consider gas mileage when buying a car...but not because of the environment, more because of your pocket book. Me too!
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So your daughter is in Australia?
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rise.
Just how do you measure sea level rise? I remember reading somewhere that the south of England is still rebounding from the last ice age when the weight of a mile of ice pushed much of the area below today's sea level. So if you took your measurement there you would conclude the sea was falling.
As to the Guam sized iceberg breaking off from the Antarctic that happens about twice a year and makes for some good hysteria on the nightly news.
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I know several people who purchase cars based on their environmental impact.
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I only know since I'm holding one. I'm taking it to my BIL this week end to update the operating system. It's iOS 4.3 which is so obsolete that the girl at the Apple help desk girl didn't know what it was. Hopefully this will cure my problems accessing Edmunds features.
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I remember reading the same thing about the Midwest and the Great Plains that they are slowly rebounding from the weight of the glaciers.
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Good one.
I really, really don't know why that picture posted to Edmunds upside down ... and, as a host (er, moderator), you'd think I would know better!
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Not to worry. Your picture may be upside down, but you're not as upside down as another Host who has recently appeared. Then again, who would listen to me? I'm "willfully ignorant".
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Mr Shift.....I promised to let the alleged climate change debate drop. If you want to engage this further, and no one else minds, I'll get serious.
BTW, I spent my formative years working for Olsen and DEC.
Switching gears.....jmonroe, if you're still around, this has your name written all over it.....
http://blog.caranddriver.com/lazy-cheap-nissan-shows-off-the-self-cleaning-car/
No, sorry, I don't. Not even if they were right side up.
Yesterday I saw a new Camaro, painted white, with aftermarket multispoke wheels that were also white. I normally would say I wouldn't like those either, but these worked for some reason.
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I like it!
I don't like washing my car that much. I probably wash the 535 twice a month, at the coin car wash. It seems that when I do wash the car, it rains the next day....or, I have to drive through a dusty dirty construction zone.
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Actually IMI, our, the "Global Warming Crowd," goal is to take whatever action can be taken to reduce the impact of carbon emmissions on the environment. Our Crowd really does not want to control the money nor control the population with rules. That is propoganda disseminated by the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh, folks who are basically employed by certain brothers who do want to control everything.
The bottom line is there is no good reason why humans should not take all possible action to reduce carbon emmissions. After all, what is the downside? If those actions do not impact global warming they would, without a doubt, improve the air quality. That is certainly worth a few extra dollars.
Strange, because that's where the leaders of the Global Warming Cabal are headed. Follow the money.
You must mean the Koch brothers who have been demonized by the self-righteous liberals as bad, but Tom Steyer is GOOD!!! LOL. Tom Steyer and Soros, the folks behind scenes who pull the puppet strings on the progressives who think they're doing good for mankind.
Remember, progressives are nothing more than patient Communists.
Remember Steyer has so much sway with the Dems that the Senate folks talked all night about global warming because he would donate $100,000,000 to their campaigns. Of course, legislation doesn't start in the Senate so there was no use in their campaigning via speeches all night, but it made good PR and money for their campaigns back home for the $150,000 jobs where they spend millions campaigning. Odd, isn't that.
Note also that Steyer is against the Keystone Pipeline as well. He'd rather have Buffet's trains running the oil in tank cars around the country waiting for a major train accident. Of course Buffet makes money that way where he'd lose out on the Pipeline, which Buffet also is against: isn't that odd that he'd be against something safer like that? Could it be the money trail again.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/SteyerHeadshot.jpeg/220px-SteyerHeadshot.jpeg
http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Political-money-will-flow-Keystone-oil-will-not-5427764.php
Tom Steyer, a hedge fund manager who makes money from the poor little folks who think they can make money in the markets against the big guys. Don't forget Al Gore who inherited and then used his money to make money in the markets from the gullible while he flies around on two private jets and lives a luxurious, consumptive life feeling entitled.
Koch brothers are industrialists, they actually make jobs instead of using their inheritance to fleece the little people out of money in the markets. The Koch bothers actually work.
Feel free to donate extra money to the Treasury--they take checks--if you wish to feel good about things that don't help. The biosphere involves too many large machines of homeostasis to be affected as the global warming cabal wants the low information folks to believe. But it makes good headlines and twitter texts in 140 characters or less.
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Ken...I think it's folly for humans to think they can control the weather.
But, if you insist, here's an answer.....no more cows....
http://www.newswise.com/articles/new-report-top-twelve-ways-to-slash-agriculture-s-climate-impact-could-reduce-co2-emissions-by-up-to-5-gigatonnes-per-year-by-2030#.U1pbCpA7Tto.email
Well, I can honestly say I'm doing my part for the environment. I eat all of the cow I can. And it's locally-grown, farmer's market cow, so I'm keeping my environmentally-responsible actions local.
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Might as well make laws against volcanoes too!
"Volcanic eruptions can alter the climate of the Earth for both short and long periods of time. For example, average global temperatures dropped about a degree Fahrenheit for about two years after the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991, and very cold temperatures caused crop failures and famine in North America and Europe for two years following the eruption of Tambora in 1815."
Impact of volcanoes on the environment
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