It is true that a lot of what we think we know will be proven wrong. But it is also true that much of what we thought we knew 100 years ago, still remains true. In other words, sometimes we were right, sometimes we were wrong.
There are some smart folks on this forum and many won't be surprised to know that, by far, the most prevalent green house gas is plain old water vapor. Clouds, fog, steam, humidity, etc. Depending on the conditions, water vapor can make up as much as 95% of the total green house gases, whereas carbon dioxide is measured in parts per million.
With that in mind, why in the world would we commit billions, if not trillions, to only try to reduce tiny little carbon dioxide, which our plants need to survive and that we exhale with every breath we take? Truth be known, the progressives don't care about reducing carbon dioxide, what they really want is your money, in the form of a carbon tax in order to redistribute the wealth from your pocket to their pocket, and to spend as they see fit.
Even if some of the wealth makes it to a poor country, what really happens when wealth goes from a rich country to a poor country? What really happens is that the wealth goes from the poor and middle classes in the rich country and goes to the rich classes in the poor country.
"Driver100 probably has some copies in his book warehouse he can get you cheap."
Speaking of which, where in the devil is he? Driver, we need another "sign" from you that you have survived Global Warming. We know you're out there - and we know you have opinions about everything, so come forth and POST something!
@imidazol97 said:
I don't believe that. The boxes will be the same part number and the same box. If I were a plumbing supply or specialty store that would be the story I would use to try to get people to believe there is value added from paying more at my place than buying through the box stores. The box stores buy in bulk and pay much, much less. So the models they have on display will be substantially cheaper.
Very often the big box stores will work with the manufacturer for an exclusive item that looks very similar to the standard item but it will be cheapened up to meet a price point - brass becomes zinc, zinc becomes plastic....
Having been in the decorative plumbing and hardware business for a couple of decades, the better plumbing showrooms just don't sell those brands or at least the price point of the brands offered in the big boxes. It just isn't worth the hassle. There are lots of higher quality brands that bring exclusivity and a better profit margin to the showrooms. The showrooms don't want to fight the big boxes or the dot coms for low margin sales.
Now Delta, Moen, Price Pfister, et al make fine products for their price points. But if you were to compare a Delta faucet versus Rohl, Zucchetti, Viegener, Lefroy Brooks or any other premium brand, you would be surprised at the difference. It's like a CLA versus a 1980's S Class - you can just feel the difference.
will work with the manufacturer for an exclusive item that looks very similar to the standard item
Do any of you know of an example of a model in the Delta, Kohler lines that are differentiated thus and sold in the box stores and in the supply houses as the same part number but different materials?
"Do any of you know of an example of a model in the Delta, Kohler lines that are differentiated thus and sold in the box stores and in the supply houses as the same part number but different..."
This is a good question for NYCCARGUY! Go over to Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous and post your question to nyccarguy (Bradd). He follows that forum more closely. He and his father own a big plumbing supply business - and I am sure he can get you a great deal on anything you want!
@cdnpinhead said:
This was a number of years ago. Some things never change.
" I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists; these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. "
Ironic that Cincinnati is building a trolley short line with some federal money and I wonder if that comes from highway taxes. But they also are arguing over making more bicycle lanes on some main streets in/out of downtown taking away automobile lanes.
@robr2 said:
Now Delta, Moen, Price Pfister, et al make fine products for their price points. But if you were to compare a Delta faucet versus Rohl, Zucchetti, Viegener, Lefroy Brooks or any other premium brand, you would be surprised at the difference. It's like a CLA versus a 1980's S Class - you can just feel the difference.
I'll have to disagree there. I've used several of the very expensive brands, including hand made brass faucets from Harrods own plumbing department in London. While good, the high end Delta products work just as well and feel just as good as the others. Naturally, you have to be pleased with the design/patterns offered by any company.
@imidazol97 said:
Do any of you know of an example of a model in the Delta, Kohler lines that are differentiated thus and sold in the box stores and in the supply houses as the same part number but different materials?
If the model number and the UPC code are the same, it's the same product. Sometimes there may be a suffix or prefix that denotes it's a different version.
Years ago, we redid our powder room. My wife wasn't interested in any of the brands my employer represented - even at wholesale/display pricing, she felt it was too expensive. So off to Home Depot she went and picked out everything she wanted and gave me the list. I contacted a Kohler dealer I knew and listed out the model numbers. He remarked "hmmmm standard Home Depot stuff. Don't sell much of it - I have to special order it. Are you sure she doesn't want something nicer?"
"Do any of you know of an example of a model in the Delta, Kohler lines that are differentiated thus and sold in the box stores and in the supply houses as the same part number but different..."
This is a good question for NYCCARGUY! Go over to Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous and post your question to nyccarguy (Bradd). He follows that forum more closely. He and his father own a big plumbing supply business - and I am sure he can get you a great deal on anything you want!
As I said this morning, Bradd is the guy to consult. He gives excellent advice. If he could find my telephone number and call me, he can certainly find exactly what you need.
@graphicguy said:
Not debating that Global Warming is occuring. It's been happening for 1000s of years. Its cause is humans being human, volcanos being volcanos, cows being cows, etc.
The earth has been evelolving for 1000s of years. It's different than it was a 1000 years ago. It's different than it was 100 years ago. 1000 years from today, it will be different than it is right now.
Living things evolve and adapt. None of us are the same as our ancient ancestors. We've evolved. Generally speaking, we're taller, more disease resistent, etc. Species have evolved or died off.
The point of all this is that the only constant is change. The climate has changed. It will continue to change, for a whole host of reasons. Always has...always will.
I agree with how the late, great George Carlin sums it up (note, in typical Carlin fashion, some liberal use of mature themes and language).....
" the most prevalent green house gas is plain old water vapor"
That's a very interesting point, and it prompted me to look into it further. So I learned something new today.
Alas, turns out that is a sly bit of misinformation being disseminated. I was able to do a little research and zero in on the water vapor/CO2 relationship.
The above claim for water vapor as the most harmful greenhouse gas is simply untrue. In fact, water vapor is why rising CO2 has such a big effect on climate. CO2 absorbs some wavelengths of infrared that water _does not_ so it independently adds heat to the atmosphere. As the temperature rises, more water vapor enters the atmosphere and multiplies CO2′s greenhouse effect. Some scientists claim that water vapor will approximately double the increase in the greenhouse effect due to the added CO2 alone.
As for the idea of a funding conspiracy, I also dug into that a bit and while I can only find data up to 2006, it seems that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat. There has not been any gold mine for climatologists or surge in funding for these scientists. Most of the generous funding on "climate change" has gone to industry. (energy conservation, technology).
Oh, my, what a surprise that is!
@houdini1 said:
My problem with GW is that the U> MrShift@Edmunds said:
Hey guys! I'm here. I do read all of the posts here. I probably post a little more on Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous. Work has been a zoo lately. Today I sat down to eat lunch at 3:15 pm.
While we deal with different spectrums in the same business (me in the low end, you in the high end) I agree with you 100% and couldn't articulate any better than you have.
As far as faucets go, the 2 "regular" brands I would recommend are Delta & Symmons. If you are looking at the higher end, you should look at Grohe or Hans Grohe (my parents recently renovated their kitchen & their bathroom, they used Grohe & Hans Grohe).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I like the humor, snake, but your chart has incorrect data used to make your point!
Actually, I agree with the 1820-1980 number of pirates. However, there has been a rapid increase in the number of pirates since 1980. Those Somali pirates have multiplied significantly during the higher temperature ranges. So have the west African pirates.
Thus your data is as faulty as the environmentalists' data. Welcome to the club, snake!
More on Home Depot, Plumbing Fixtures, & how it relates to cars. Just like car companies and mega car dealerships have sales goals to meet, so do large fixture manufacturers. They've got massive overheads & boards of directors to satisfy. Doing business with the big box stores is a necessary evil for them. Just like @robr2 said, Home Depot goes to Kohler or Delta directly. They have a house account, unlike me who has to buy through a rep agency or distributor. The big box store tells the company what products try want to buy, how much they are going to pay, then put a check on the table.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
@imidazol97 said:
Ironic that Cincinnati is building a trolley short line with some federal money and I wonder if that comes from highway taxes. But they also are arguing over making more bicycle lanes on some main streets in/out of downtown taking away automobile lanes.
OOOOHHHH...sore subject to the locals. Tracks are being constructed. Trolly did get FED dollars. Not sure how much, though. I know they state is buying up land as far north as Dayton for contnuation of the light rail from Cincy, at some point.
I go downtown Cincinnati all the time. I could count bicycles I've seen in the downtown area on one hand....OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS. Exactly what we need....bike lanes....for the 3 bike riders that ride downtown every other month.
@graphicguy said:
Exactly what we need....bike lanes....for the 3 bike riders that ride downtown every other month.
I think those 3 bike riders would agree with you
I started riding my bike to work again. It's 8 miles each way. 80% is on a bike path next to the river. I hit only 3 stop lights. My company has a gym on site and I get a permanent locker. It's very nice way to commute.
@verdugo said:
I think those 3 bike riders would agree with you I started riding my bike to work again. It's 8 miles each way. 80% is on a bike path next to the river. I hit only 3 stop lights. My company has a gym on site and I get a permanent locker. It's very nice way to commute.
Verdugo....understand, Cincinnati is a city of very steep hills, throughout. Biking would be an adventure coming from those neighborhoods into the downtown area. Plus, Winter would be off the map for riding/commuting on a bike, probably a good portion of Spring (rain) would not be good biking weather, either.
So, with few bicyclists, in a city where bikeing is not popular (except for leisure in the 'burbs), and the prospect of spending money to create bike lanes in downtown Cincinnati is pretty ludicrous, wasteful, and unnecessary.
Now that I've been referred to as part of the Flat Earth Society (wasn't that an Al Gore quote in his campaign to make mo' money?) here's a chart. Looks like sea rise has been around a while and has slowed way down. Makes a difference when looked at without selecting narrow portions of data to try to scare folks.
As to the scare routine, look at the ads for gold and special mutual fund managers who try to scare people by predicting gloom and doom in the financial markets if you don't right away let them "help" you take care of your money. If they said that there's a small chance something might go wrong in the markets and you should be rebalancing your holdings, would people hurry to buy their gold or to invest with their help at their company? Nope.
But instead they have to try to scare people into thinking the investor must do something now, without giving it full analysis and ration thought even in some cases. They say the financial meltdown is coming and it will be twice as bad as 2008 or worse!!!!! Same technique is used by the Global Warming folks to try to scare folks into thinking the end is near. The earth will flood. Hollywood (FL) will be underwater in 10 years. Make a movie to show to school kids with errors in what is shown. Show glaciers melting even though ice caps in other areas are increasing, e.g..
We need to honor the Earth Day here on April 22. In 1970 Earth Day advocates were exhorting people to do anything they could to slow the Global Cooling due to the CO2 in the atmosphere and stop the advancing Ice Age. We were going to inundated with cold creeping southward as the glaciers grew and the colder weather meant the crop-growing areas would move southward in out country. Imagine Florida's crop being corn and beans!
We also need to change how we reused trash to reduce the amount of contamination we left in our path as we live here on Earth.
Does anyone else recall other goals? I heard a radio station playing some audio from the original Earth Day celebrations. Neat.
@MrShift@Edmunds said:
" the most prevalent green house gas is plain old water vapor"
That's a very interesting point, and it prompted me to look into it further. So I learned something new today.
Alas, turns out that is a sly bit of misinformation being disseminated. I was able to do a little research and zero in on the water vapor/CO2 relationship.
The above claim for water vapor as the most harmful greenhouse gas is simply untrue. In fact, water vapor is why rising CO2 has such a big effect on climate. CO2 absorbs some wavelengths of infrared that water _does not_ so it independently adds heat to the atmosphere. As the temperature rises, more water vapor enters the atmosphere and multiplies CO2′s greenhouse effect. Some scientists claim that water vapor will approximately double the increase in the greenhouse effect due to the added CO2 alone.
As for the idea of a funding conspiracy, I also dug into that a bit and while I can only find data up to 2006, it seems that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat. There has not been any gold mine for climatologists or surge in funding for these scientists. Most of the generous funding on "climate change" has gone to industry. (energy conservation, technology).
Oh, my, what a surprise that is!
The tone, content, and distortions found in your reply just goes to point out why so many of us have our doubts and misgivings about the global warming agenda. Here are some of the points you attempted to make:
*. "the most prevalent greenhouse gas is plain old water vapor."
-OK, you got my quote right.
*. "Alas, turns out that is a sly bit of misinformation being disseminated."
-Really? What is sly about a true straightforward statement like that, and how is it "misinformation.?
*. "the above claim for water vapor as the most harmful greenhouse gas is simply untrue."
What? I made no claim that water vapor was harmful. I only said it was the most prevalent greenhouse gas. Perhaps
you don't know the meaning of the word "prevalent"?
*. "as for the idea of a funding conspiracy, I also dug into that a bit and while I can only find data up to 2006, it seems that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat.
Conspiracy? You guys love to use that word. It is your word, not mine. Plus your info. is hopelessly out of date...and how about funding for "climate scientists" as opposed to "climatologists".
With that, I am ready to move on as I am sure that everyone is tired of this discussion. Here's an idea for you. Just reopen the global warming forum or start a new one so we can present our views there.
It's the old chicken and the egg wrt to bike lanes. The quick research I found shows that about 1% of commuters in Cincinnati do so by bike - on par with many major cities. If bike lanes or road share programs are expanded, you will probably see an increase.
As for winter and hills - come to Boston. We have a thriving bike commuting population - even in winter. This past winter, Hubway - the bike share system - experimented with a limited system over the winter and although business was only about 20% of summer, it gave them an idea of the popularity of bike commuting.
@houdini1 said:
Just reopen the global warming forum or start a new one so we can present our views there.
A forum site entitled "Global Warming: Do Cars/SUV's Contribute To This Phenomena?"
That way there is some connection with "Cars and SUV's"1 Quite frankly, I'm with you, houdini. The survival of our species is going to be determined by the human species' ability to adapt to changing conditions. So, in a few tens of thousands of years, if humans still inhabit the Earth, adaptation was successful. If they are no where to be found by then, you and me, our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren....won't know what happened anyway.
Now - BACK TO CARS, SUV'S, FAUCETS, HEPATITIS C, PRICE FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE, ETC.!!!
@MrShift@Edmunds said:
" the most prevalent green house gas is plain old water vapor"
That's a very interesting point, and it prompted me to look into it further. So I learned something new today.
Alas, turns out that is a sly bit of misinformation being disseminated. I was able to do a little research and zero in on the water vapor/CO2 relationship.
The above claim for water vapor as the most harmful greenhouse gas is simply untrue. In fact, water vapor is why rising CO2 has such a big effect on climate. CO2 absorbs some wavelengths of infrared that water _does not_ so it independently adds heat to the atmosphere. As the temperature rises, more water vapor enters the atmosphere and multiplies CO2′s greenhouse effect. Some scientists claim that water vapor will approximately double the increase in the greenhouse effect due to the added CO2 alone.
As for the idea of a funding conspiracy, I also dug into that a bit and while I can only find data up to 2006, it seems that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat. There has not been any gold mine for climatologists or surge in funding for these scientists. Most of the generous funding on "climate change" has gone to industry. (energy conservation, technology).
Oh, my, what a surprise that is!
OK, I'm not a scientific person and I'm technology challenged. Though I am a liberal arts person, I am still capable of doing research. You mentioned that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat. You've got to be kidding. You also said that you could only find data up to 2006. Well, I found a wealth of data up to 2014 and, believe me, the funding spent is enough to blow your mind. Please take note of the following:
EPA Funding:
1. Extreme Events Grants---14 of those in varying amounts
2. Global Change Grants---STAR grants of $42,000 per year up to 4 years, GRO grants of $50,000 each per year, P3 grants of $15,000 to $90,000 per year. There is no limit on the number of grants awarded if the application process reveals suitable projects dealing with climate change.
3. Fellowships---19 different categories under which to apply. Monies are awarded in varying amounts.
4. There are 173 research projects dealing with global warming that are currently being funded.
NIH (National Institute of Environmental Health) under the Department of Health and Human Services) Funding:
Awards of $275,000 for a 2 year project dealing with climate change impact are available.
National Science Foundation Funding:
To date, they have spent $766 million on global warming.
Federal Funding (including stimulus money and other budget sources) was $2 BILLION last year with a proposed increase to $2.6 Billion next year.
Scientists also received millions of dollars last year from oil companies, corporations, and private institutions.
In summary, I would hardly say that funding has been "flat".
@robr2 said:
It's the old chicken and the egg wrt to bike lanes. The quick research I found shows that about 1% of commuters in Cincinnati do so by bike - on par with many major cities. If bike lanes or road share programs are expanded, you will probably see an increase.
As for winter and hills - come to Boston. We have a thriving bike commuting population - even in winter. This past winter, Hubway - the bike share system - experimented with a limited system over the winter and although business was only about 20% of summer, it gave them an idea of the popularity of bike commuting.
robr2....Boston is one of my favorite cities. And you're right. It does have a large biking community.
Cincinnati has about 300,000 residents. If you're research is correct, that means 3,000 cyclists. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that 98% of those cyclists don't live downtown, where the proposed bike lanes are going along with the cable car lanes. That's 60 cyclists who potentially could use the bike lanes. My guess is they won't be using those lanes in the rain or the snow, and probably the times, like this past winter, when there were sginificant amount of days of sub-freezing temps.
So, for those 60, who want to ride their bikes, part time, in their own lane......too bad/so sad...not happening.
Founder of Green Peace: "no scientific proof... "
So that means it's settled.
"“There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years,” Mr. Moore said. “Today, we live in an unusually cold period in the history of life on earth and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be anything but beneficial for humans and the majority of other species.
“It is important to recognize, in the face of dire predictions about a [two degrees Celsius] rise in global average temperature, that humans are a tropical species,” he continued. “We evolved at the equator in a climate where freezing weather did not exist. The only reasons we can survive these cold climates are fire, clothing, and housing.
“The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming,” he said.
@imidazol97 said:
“The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming,” he said.
This Global Warming debacle is getting out of hand on SFTSF! I believe we've covered the entire gamut of Global Warming, CO2 emissions, man, cattle and giraffe "farts", coal, oil, firewood, forest fires, volcano eruptions, dinosaurs, and everything in between.
Enough! Please! I am getting dizzy! Can we talk about things like:
Where has driver100 gone? Anyone seen jmonroe? How's fezo doing? W hen is Richard going to buy a new computer so we can walk him through the process? When is oldfarmer50 going to order his new Mustang and what options is he getting?
Anything would be more interesting than this! Thanks!!!!!
@graphicguy said:
Cincinnati has about 300,000 residents. If you're research is correct, that means 3,000 cyclists. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that 98% of those cyclists don't live downtown, where the proposed bike lanes are going along with the cable car lanes. That's 60 cyclists who potentially could use the bike lanes. My guess is they won't be using those lanes in the rain or the snow, and probably the times, like this past winter, when there were sginificant amount of days of sub-freezing temps.
So, for those 60, who want to ride their bikes, part time, in their own lane......too bad/so sad...not happening.
"If you build it, they will come." IMHO, you would be surprised at how many people will bike commute if given the opportunity even in sub freezing temps. As for where they live, it really doesn't matter. If they commute downtown from the suburbs, that takes one more car off the street and hopefully reduces congestion.
Digging around I bit, I see the issue is with a new separated bike lane on Central Parkway. I can understand the frustration of losing travel lanes/parking to a bike lane.
Just like any other city, the purpose of the bike lanes and the new streetcar system is to spur downtown living and get cars off the city streets. With more and more people wanting to live in the city, things like this will make Cincinnati more appealing to future residents. Cities have to look at solutions other than more roads. Here in the Boston area, we are lucky to have great transit, bike share, car share and bike trails systems. They work in concert to get cars off the street. Yet there are a couple of hundred thousand people that insist of sitting in their cars for an hour to get 20 miles to work in the city.
To build on what was said earlier, what has happened to Driver? Even though I skip the majority of his posts, he's a mainstay around here and much of the reason that this board is approaching 100K posts.
We need to look after each other, regardless of differences in style.
LOL! My computer is only three years old. I'm more interested in your walking me through the buying process of a new MB. I plan to take my next check from the farm and purchase a new car in June. I'm now looking for what I want. There aren't many vehicles that interest me. I did look at the new CLA and it seems interesting. I really like the exterior design----very sleek and expensive looking. The only other possibility is a Honda Pilot which I like. Still, I think that it's time for a sedan. I'll be getting rid of the convertible. What are your thoughts on the CLA?
@cdnpinhead said:
To build on what was said earlier, what has happened to Driver? Even though I skip the majority of his posts, he's a mainstay around here and much of the reason that this board is approaching 100K posts.
We need to look after each other, regardless of differences in style.
I agree. We do miss him. He said something not long ago about being busy after he returned home. I can't remember what the "busy" involved. Hopefully, he'll return soon. If not, we'll put our resident detective on the case-----nyccarguy (Bradd). Btw, I never skip your posts. They are too thought provoking.
Btw, I never skip your posts. They are too thought provoking.
To be clear, I didn't mean that I skipped any posts in this forum. Just the opposite.
However, in another forum, now closed, one poster repeated posted anything negative about GM or any of the vehicles. Day after day after week. I didn't bother reading them unless quoted in someone else's response on the forum.
" I'll be getting rid of the convertible. What are your thoughts on the CLA?"
Very nice looking, Richard, and very much similar to the styling on the CLS550 on the exterior. But the interior leaves much to desire, IMHO.
If you can wait a month or three, I'd recommend the brand new C Class. It is totally redesigned for 2015. Bigger, sharper looking, exquisite interior - yor kind of car. If you decide on the C class, I'll get you the car cheaper than you can get it in NC.
@abacomike said:
I like the humor, snake, but your chart has incorrect data used to make your point!
The whole point is that correlation does not equate to causation. I could have used the number of iPhones being used and claimed it caused global warming.
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@sterlingdog said:
Good grief! You ride a bike 16 miles a day and still have the strength to work out in the company gym! I admire your stamina and determination.
That's nothing, it's 12.5 miles one way for me and there have been times I rode to work, walked up three flights of stairs, walked a mile or so during lunch, biked home then later biked 5 miles to the gym to work out.
Yeah I am crazy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
My commute here in Calgary is 10kms (6miles) each way. I have been cycling to work for the last 18 years(damn I'm old) at an average of 3 days/week year round. I don't ride below -20C and if the weather shows as being particularly bad. I've spent time on cycling advocacy with the City pathways groups and spent time reviewing proposed paths as well as roadway impacts on pathways. It's a fact that if you build good SAFE routes to cycle, people will use them. Too often they are simply window dressing for some political campaign where they impact motorists and provide none of the incentives for easy cycling. Many US cities have climates similar to Europe and most European cities have fantastic cycling infrastructure. Probably due to the fact that gasoline costs somewhere between $8-10/gallon...
Robr2.....I don't have an issue with street cars nor bike lanes. And, I think the street cars in particular could very well prove the "build it and they will come" paradigm.
We're not a bike commuting city, though! The area you alluded to (Central Parkway) isn't the safest and it's certainly not scenic.
It's way too easy to drive into the central city, and also to park in the city, even when the Bengals or Reds are in town. So, there's little impetus to bike.
I just don't want to pay for bike lanes when the space would be way under utilized.
Subaru released the 2015 Outback at the New York auto show last week:
The styling is a bit conservative, but fixes complaints about polarizing styling in the last generation that kept some people away. The 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder motors stay the same aside from some minor tweaks for reduced friction, and now a CVT is the only option for both motors with improved efficiency (25/33 mpg for the 4-cylinder). Eyesight is improved to handle higher speeds for autobraking, and rear cross traffic alert is now added. I'm liking what I see with this new Subie and am betting the new Outback will add to their sales growth.
@graphicguy said:
Robr2.....I don't have an issue with street cars nor bike lanes. And, I think the street cars in particular could very well prove the "build it and they will come" paradigm.
We're not a bike commuting city, though! The area you alluded to (Central Parkway) isn't the safest and it's certainly not scenic.
It's way too easy to drive into the central city, and also to park in the city, even when the Bengals or Reds are in town. So, there's little impetus to bike.
I just don't want to pay for bike lanes when the space would be way under utilized.
Keep in mind that when a city tries to become bike friendly, bike commuters increase. As for Central Parkway, commuters don't care about scenic - they care about safety and access. Give it to them and they will use it.
As for not being a bike commuting city, you really don't know that. You are basing your statement on what you see. In reality, Cincinnati is just below average for bike commuters and that is with it not being very bike friendly.
Also don't look at strictly from the POV of people who commute into the city. Part of adding bike lanes is to draw people to live into the city. Gentrification is the desired outcome.
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My problem with GW is that the U> @MrShift@Edmunds said:
There are some smart folks on this forum and many won't be surprised to know that, by far, the most prevalent green house gas is plain old water vapor. Clouds, fog, steam, humidity, etc. Depending on the conditions, water vapor can make up as much as 95% of the total green house gases, whereas carbon dioxide is measured in parts per million.
With that in mind, why in the world would we commit billions, if not trillions, to only try to reduce tiny little carbon dioxide, which our plants need to survive and that we exhale with every breath we take? Truth be known, the progressives don't care about reducing carbon dioxide, what they really want is your money, in the form of a carbon tax in order to redistribute the wealth from your pocket to their pocket, and to spend as they see fit.
Even if some of the wealth makes it to a poor country, what really happens when wealth goes from a rich country to a poor country? What really happens is that the wealth goes from the poor and middle classes in the rich country and goes to the rich classes in the poor country.
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Re: global warming
Before you take sides please read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton author of Jurassic Park. Only novel I've ever seen with footnotes and citations.
Driver100 probably has some copies in his book warehouse he can get you cheap.
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@driver100
"Driver100 probably has some copies in his book warehouse he can get you cheap."
Speaking of which, where in the devil is he? Driver, we need another "sign" from you that you have survived Global Warming. We know you're out there - and we know you have opinions about everything, so come forth and POST something!
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Very often the big box stores will work with the manufacturer for an exclusive item that looks very similar to the standard item but it will be cheapened up to meet a price point - brass becomes zinc, zinc becomes plastic....
Having been in the decorative plumbing and hardware business for a couple of decades, the better plumbing showrooms just don't sell those brands or at least the price point of the brands offered in the big boxes. It just isn't worth the hassle. There are lots of higher quality brands that bring exclusivity and a better profit margin to the showrooms. The showrooms don't want to fight the big boxes or the dot coms for low margin sales.
Now Delta, Moen, Price Pfister, et al make fine products for their price points. But if you were to compare a Delta faucet versus Rohl, Zucchetti, Viegener, Lefroy Brooks or any other premium brand, you would be surprised at the difference. It's like a CLA versus a 1980's S Class - you can just feel the difference.
Do any of you know of an example of a model in the Delta, Kohler lines that are differentiated thus and sold in the box stores and in the supply houses as the same part number but different materials?
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"Do any of you know of an example of a model in the Delta, Kohler lines that are differentiated thus and sold in the box stores and in the supply houses as the same part number but different..."
This is a good question for NYCCARGUY! Go over to Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous and post your question to nyccarguy (Bradd). He follows that forum more closely. He and his father own a big plumbing supply business - and I am sure he can get you a great deal on anything you want!
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Ironic that Cincinnati is building a trolley short line with some federal money and I wonder if that comes from highway taxes. But they also are arguing over making more bicycle lanes on some main streets in/out of downtown taking away automobile lanes.
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I'll have to disagree there. I've used several of the very expensive brands, including hand made brass faucets from Harrods own plumbing department in London. While good, the high end Delta products work just as well and feel just as good as the others. Naturally, you have to be pleased with the design/patterns offered by any company.
Richard
If the model number and the UPC code are the same, it's the same product. Sometimes there may be a suffix or prefix that denotes it's a different version.
Years ago, we redid our powder room. My wife wasn't interested in any of the brands my employer represented - even at wholesale/display pricing, she felt it was too expensive. So off to Home Depot she went and picked out everything she wanted and gave me the list. I contacted a Kohler dealer I knew and listed out the model numbers. He remarked "hmmmm standard Home Depot stuff. Don't sell much of it - I have to special order it. Are you sure she doesn't want something nicer?"
As I said this morning, Bradd is the guy to consult. He gives excellent advice. If he could find my telephone number and call me, he can certainly find exactly what you need.
Richard
Thanks so much for being the voice of reason.
Richard
Richard...not sure how reasonable I am. I think dating a teacher has really made me change my knee jerk reactions.
" the most prevalent green house gas is plain old water vapor"
That's a very interesting point, and it prompted me to look into it further. So I learned something new today.
Alas, turns out that is a sly bit of misinformation being disseminated. I was able to do a little research and zero in on the water vapor/CO2 relationship.
The above claim for water vapor as the most harmful greenhouse gas is simply untrue. In fact, water vapor is why rising CO2 has such a big effect on climate. CO2 absorbs some wavelengths of infrared that water _does not_ so it independently adds heat to the atmosphere. As the temperature rises, more water vapor enters the atmosphere and multiplies CO2′s greenhouse effect. Some scientists claim that water vapor will approximately double the increase in the greenhouse effect due to the added CO2 alone.
As for the idea of a funding conspiracy, I also dug into that a bit and while I can only find data up to 2006, it seems that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat. There has not been any gold mine for climatologists or surge in funding for these scientists. Most of the generous funding on "climate change" has gone to industry. (energy conservation, technology).
Oh, my, what a surprise that is!
Hey guys! I'm here. I do read all of the posts here. I probably post a little more on Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous. Work has been a zoo lately. Today I sat down to eat lunch at 3:15 pm.
@robr2
While we deal with different spectrums in the same business (me in the low end, you in the high end) I agree with you 100% and couldn't articulate any better than you have.
As far as faucets go, the 2 "regular" brands I would recommend are Delta & Symmons. If you are looking at the higher end, you should look at Grohe or Hans Grohe (my parents recently renovated their kitchen & their bathroom, they used Grohe & Hans Grohe).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Re: Global warming
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
"Re: Global Warming"
I like the humor, snake, but your chart has incorrect data used to make your point!
Actually, I agree with the 1820-1980 number of pirates. However, there has been a rapid increase in the number of pirates since 1980. Those Somali pirates have multiplied significantly during the higher temperature ranges. So have the west African pirates.
Thus your data is as faulty as the environmentalists' data. Welcome to the club, snake!
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More on Home Depot, Plumbing Fixtures, & how it relates to cars. Just like car companies and mega car dealerships have sales goals to meet, so do large fixture manufacturers. They've got massive overheads & boards of directors to satisfy. Doing business with the big box stores is a necessary evil for them. Just like @robr2 said, Home Depot goes to Kohler or Delta directly. They have a house account, unlike me who has to buy through a rep agency or distributor. The big box store tells the company what products try want to buy, how much they are going to pay, then put a check on the table.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
OOOOHHHH...sore subject to the locals. Tracks are being constructed. Trolly did get FED dollars. Not sure how much, though. I know they state is buying up land as far north as Dayton for contnuation of the light rail from Cincy, at some point.
I go downtown Cincinnati all the time. I could count bicycles I've seen in the downtown area on one hand....OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS. Exactly what we need....bike lanes....for the 3 bike riders that ride downtown every other month.
I think those 3 bike riders would agree with you
I started riding my bike to work again. It's 8 miles each way. 80% is on a bike path next to the river. I hit only 3 stop lights. My company has a gym on site and I get a permanent locker. It's very nice way to commute.
Good grief! You ride a bike 16 miles a day and still have the strength to work out in the company gym! I admire your stamina and determination.
Richard
LOL! Love that graph! You have such a unique way of putting things into perspective.
Richard
Verdugo....understand, Cincinnati is a city of very steep hills, throughout. Biking would be an adventure coming from those neighborhoods into the downtown area. Plus, Winter would be off the map for riding/commuting on a bike, probably a good portion of Spring (rain) would not be good biking weather, either.
So, with few bicyclists, in a city where bikeing is not popular (except for leisure in the 'burbs), and the prospect of spending money to create bike lanes in downtown Cincinnati is pretty ludicrous, wasteful, and unnecessary.
Now that I've been referred to as part of the Flat Earth Society (wasn't that an Al Gore quote in his campaign to make mo' money?) here's a chart. Looks like sea rise has been around a while and has slowed way down. Makes a difference when looked at without selecting narrow portions of data to try to scare folks.
As to the scare routine, look at the ads for gold and special mutual fund managers who try to scare people by predicting gloom and doom in the financial markets if you don't right away let them "help" you take care of your money. If they said that there's a small chance something might go wrong in the markets and you should be rebalancing your holdings, would people hurry to buy their gold or to invest with their help at their company? Nope.
But instead they have to try to scare people into thinking the investor must do something now, without giving it full analysis and ration thought even in some cases. They say the financial meltdown is coming and it will be twice as bad as 2008 or worse!!!!! Same technique is used by the Global Warming folks to try to scare folks into thinking the end is near. The earth will flood. Hollywood (FL) will be underwater in 10 years. Make a movie to show to school kids with errors in what is shown. Show glaciers melting even though ice caps in other areas are increasing, e.g..
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We need to honor the Earth Day here on April 22. In 1970 Earth Day advocates were exhorting people to do anything they could to slow the Global Cooling due to the CO2 in the atmosphere and stop the advancing Ice Age. We were going to inundated with cold creeping southward as the glaciers grew and the colder weather meant the crop-growing areas would move southward in out country. Imagine Florida's crop being corn and beans!
We also need to change how we reused trash to reduce the amount of contamination we left in our path as we live here on Earth.
Does anyone else recall other goals? I heard a radio station playing some audio from the original Earth Day celebrations. Neat.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams/environmentalists-wild-predictions.html
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The tone, content, and distortions found in your reply just goes to point out why so many of us have our doubts and misgivings about the global warming agenda. Here are some of the points you attempted to make:
*. "the most prevalent greenhouse gas is plain old water vapor."
-OK, you got my quote right.
*. "Alas, turns out that is a sly bit of misinformation being disseminated."
-Really? What is sly about a true straightforward statement like that, and how is it "misinformation.?
*. "the above claim for water vapor as the most harmful greenhouse gas is simply untrue."
What? I made no claim that water vapor was harmful. I only said it was the most prevalent greenhouse gas. Perhaps
you don't know the meaning of the word "prevalent"?
*. "as for the idea of a funding conspiracy, I also dug into that a bit and while I can only find data up to 2006, it seems that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat.
Conspiracy? You guys love to use that word. It is your word, not mine. Plus your info. is hopelessly out of date...and how about funding for "climate scientists" as opposed to "climatologists".
With that, I am ready to move on as I am sure that everyone is tired of this discussion. Here's an idea for you. Just reopen the global warming forum or start a new one so we can present our views there.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
It's the old chicken and the egg wrt to bike lanes. The quick research I found shows that about 1% of commuters in Cincinnati do so by bike - on par with many major cities. If bike lanes or road share programs are expanded, you will probably see an increase.
As for winter and hills - come to Boston. We have a thriving bike commuting population - even in winter. This past winter, Hubway - the bike share system - experimented with a limited system over the winter and although business was only about 20% of summer, it gave them an idea of the popularity of bike commuting.
A forum site entitled "Global Warming: Do Cars/SUV's Contribute To This Phenomena?"
That way there is some connection with "Cars and SUV's"1 Quite frankly, I'm with you, houdini. The survival of our species is going to be determined by the human species' ability to adapt to changing conditions. So, in a few tens of thousands of years, if humans still inhabit the Earth, adaptation was successful. If they are no where to be found by then, you and me, our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren....won't know what happened anyway.
Now - BACK TO CARS, SUV'S, FAUCETS, HEPATITIS C, PRICE FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE, ETC.!!!
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Another interesting graph shows a slope of 0.07... inches per year sea level rise -- that's 1/16th inch approx. per annum.
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OK, I'm not a scientific person and I'm technology challenged. Though I am a liberal arts person, I am still capable of doing research. You mentioned that funding to climatologists has been relatively flat. You've got to be kidding. You also said that you could only find data up to 2006. Well, I found a wealth of data up to 2014 and, believe me, the funding spent is enough to blow your mind. Please take note of the following:
EPA Funding:
1. Extreme Events Grants---14 of those in varying amounts
2. Global Change Grants---STAR grants of $42,000 per year up to 4 years, GRO grants of $50,000 each per year, P3 grants of $15,000 to $90,000 per year. There is no limit on the number of grants awarded if the application process reveals suitable projects dealing with climate change.
3. Fellowships---19 different categories under which to apply. Monies are awarded in varying amounts.
4. There are 173 research projects dealing with global warming that are currently being funded.
NIH (National Institute of Environmental Health) under the Department of Health and Human Services) Funding:
Awards of $275,000 for a 2 year project dealing with climate change impact are available.
National Science Foundation Funding:
To date, they have spent $766 million on global warming.
Federal Funding (including stimulus money and other budget sources) was $2 BILLION last year with a proposed increase to $2.6 Billion next year.
Scientists also received millions of dollars last year from oil companies, corporations, and private institutions.
In summary, I would hardly say that funding has been "flat".
Richard
robr2....Boston is one of my favorite cities. And you're right. It does have a large biking community.
Cincinnati has about 300,000 residents. If you're research is correct, that means 3,000 cyclists. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that 98% of those cyclists don't live downtown, where the proposed bike lanes are going along with the cable car lanes. That's 60 cyclists who potentially could use the bike lanes. My guess is they won't be using those lanes in the rain or the snow, and probably the times, like this past winter, when there were sginificant amount of days of sub-freezing temps.
So, for those 60, who want to ride their bikes, part time, in their own lane......too bad/so sad...not happening.
Founder of Green Peace: "no scientific proof... "
So that means it's settled.
"“There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years,” Mr. Moore said. “Today, we live in an unusually cold period in the history of life on earth and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be anything but beneficial for humans and the majority of other species.
“It is important to recognize, in the face of dire predictions about a [two degrees Celsius] rise in global average temperature, that humans are a tropical species,” he continued. “We evolved at the equator in a climate where freezing weather did not exist. The only reasons we can survive these cold climates are fire, clothing, and housing.
“The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming,” he said.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/26/greenpeace-co-founder-says-no-scientific-proof-hum/#ixzz2zdgIrqEC
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olfarmer, here are the latest sites for ordering your new Mustang. Option packages galore so get out your BIG checkbook. Recaro seats in red leather, line-loc on the GT and it will come in orange and triple yellow. What more could one ask for?
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2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
This Global Warming debacle is getting out of hand on SFTSF! I believe we've covered the entire gamut of Global Warming, CO2 emissions, man, cattle and giraffe "farts", coal, oil, firewood, forest fires, volcano eruptions, dinosaurs, and everything in between.
Enough! Please! I am getting dizzy! Can we talk about things like:
Where has driver100 gone?
Anyone seen jmonroe?
How's fezo doing?
W hen is Richard going to buy a new computer so we can walk him through the process?
When is oldfarmer50 going to order his new Mustang and what options is he getting?
Anything would be more interesting than this! Thanks!!!!!
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I recommend you just skip over posts if they trouble you. That's what I have done in
another forum.
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So, for those 60, who want to ride their bikes, part time, in their own lane......too bad/so sad...not happening.
"If you build it, they will come." IMHO, you would be surprised at how many people will bike commute if given the opportunity even in sub freezing temps. As for where they live, it really doesn't matter. If they commute downtown from the suburbs, that takes one more car off the street and hopefully reduces congestion.
Digging around I bit, I see the issue is with a new separated bike lane on Central Parkway. I can understand the frustration of losing travel lanes/parking to a bike lane.
Just like any other city, the purpose of the bike lanes and the new streetcar system is to spur downtown living and get cars off the city streets. With more and more people wanting to live in the city, things like this will make Cincinnati more appealing to future residents. Cities have to look at solutions other than more roads. Here in the Boston area, we are lucky to have great transit, bike share, car share and bike trails systems. They work in concert to get cars off the street. Yet there are a couple of hundred thousand people that insist of sitting in their cars for an hour to get 20 miles to work in the city.
To build on what was said earlier, what has happened to Driver? Even though I skip the majority of his posts, he's a mainstay around here and much of the reason that this board is approaching 100K posts.
We need to look after each other, regardless of differences in style.
LOL! My computer is only three years old. I'm more interested in your walking me through the buying process of a new MB. I plan to take my next check from the farm and purchase a new car in June. I'm now looking for what I want. There aren't many vehicles that interest me. I did look at the new CLA and it seems interesting. I really like the exterior design----very sleek and expensive looking. The only other possibility is a Honda Pilot which I like. Still, I think that it's time for a sedan. I'll be getting rid of the convertible. What are your thoughts on the CLA?
Richard
"We need to look after each other, regardless of differences in style"
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!
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I agree. We do miss him. He said something not long ago about being busy after he returned home. I can't remember what the "busy" involved. Hopefully, he'll return soon. If not, we'll put our resident detective on the case-----nyccarguy (Bradd). Btw, I never skip your posts. They are too thought provoking.
Richard
Btw, I never skip your posts. They are too thought provoking.
To be clear, I didn't mean that I skipped any posts in this forum. Just the opposite.
However, in another forum, now closed, one poster repeated posted anything negative about GM or any of the vehicles. Day after day after week. I didn't bother reading them unless quoted in someone else's response on the forum.
Maybe Driver went to visit relatives for Easter.
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" I'll be getting rid of the convertible. What are your thoughts on the CLA?"
Very nice looking, Richard, and very much similar to the styling on the CLS550 on the exterior. But the interior leaves much to desire, IMHO.
If you can wait a month or three, I'd recommend the brand new C Class. It is totally redesigned for 2015. Bigger, sharper looking, exquisite interior - yor kind of car. If you decide on the C class, I'll get you the car cheaper than you can get it in NC.
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The whole point is that correlation does not equate to causation. I could have used the number of iPhones being used and claimed it caused global warming.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That's nothing, it's 12.5 miles one way for me and there have been times I rode to work, walked up three flights of stairs, walked a mile or so during lunch, biked home then later biked 5 miles to the gym to work out.
Yeah I am crazy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Nice car but the big turn off for me is that infotainment system they have that looks like someone welded a Garmin onto the dashboard.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
My commute here in Calgary is 10kms (6miles) each way. I have been cycling to work for the last 18 years(damn I'm old) at an average of 3 days/week year round. I don't ride below -20C and if the weather shows as being particularly bad. I've spent time on cycling advocacy with the City pathways groups and spent time reviewing proposed paths as well as roadway impacts on pathways. It's a fact that if you build good SAFE routes to cycle, people will use them. Too often they are simply window dressing for some political campaign where they impact motorists and provide none of the incentives for easy cycling. Many US cities have climates similar to Europe and most European cities have fantastic cycling infrastructure. Probably due to the fact that gasoline costs somewhere between $8-10/gallon...
Robr2.....I don't have an issue with street cars nor bike lanes. And, I think the street cars in particular could very well prove the "build it and they will come" paradigm.
We're not a bike commuting city, though! The area you alluded to (Central Parkway) isn't the safest and it's certainly not scenic.
It's way too easy to drive into the central city, and also to park in the city, even when the Bengals or Reds are in town. So, there's little impetus to bike.
I just don't want to pay for bike lanes when the space would be way under utilized.
Subaru released the 2015 Outback at the New York auto show last week:
The styling is a bit conservative, but fixes complaints about polarizing styling in the last generation that kept some people away. The 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder motors stay the same aside from some minor tweaks for reduced friction, and now a CVT is the only option for both motors with improved efficiency (25/33 mpg for the 4-cylinder). Eyesight is improved to handle higher speeds for autobraking, and rear cross traffic alert is now added. I'm liking what I see with this new Subie and am betting the new Outback will add to their sales growth.
"when's old farmer going to order his Mustang?"
Just got a letter from social security saying I'll be getting a check in late July so.......
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Riches from the government should always be spent on transportation or giant flat screen televisions.
Keep in mind that when a city tries to become bike friendly, bike commuters increase. As for Central Parkway, commuters don't care about scenic - they care about safety and access. Give it to them and they will use it.
As for not being a bike commuting city, you really don't know that. You are basing your statement on what you see. In reality, Cincinnati is just below average for bike commuters and that is with it not being very bike friendly.
Also don't look at strictly from the POV of people who commute into the city. Part of adding bike lanes is to draw people to live into the city. Gentrification is the desired outcome.