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A nice 95 Lebaron convertible for $3K? I would much prefer that. Much more collectable and enjoyable I would think.
Richard
Mike, we're running regular at $3.63 to $3.68 here on I-95 in North Carolina. It's spring break and promises to be up to $3.80 by Friday morning. According to one dealer here who owns three gas stations, "It ain't coming back down this time." I'm with you. Forget the cattle and work on the energy problem. In this month's issue of North Carolina Business, there is an article entitled "The Black Plague". It talks about the huge availability of coal which is cursed by the federal government. Though power companies complain that they could use it and reduce rates, the EPA isn't likely to allow that to happen. Regardless of how one feels about the EPA, there is no question that it is a very powerful agency----some say the most powerful in federal government today.
Richard
MOST BORING CARS
Did anyone see the article on MSN yesterday with a list of the most boring vehicles. Three surprises on the list: Buick LaCrosse (4 cylinder), Nissan Altima, and BMW 535i. The others listed were the usual suspects.
Does anyone agree the LaCrosse should be on the most boring list?
"Does anyone agree the LaCrosse should be on the most boring list?"
Whether or not the LaCrosse or 535i should be on MSN's boring car list is really not at issue - what is at issue is what criteria is being used to determine the make-up of what makes a car boring and the population providing responses to questions about that specific criteria.
Or, if objective criteria is not being used, who or what determined relative "boringness" of the cars included in the list. It sounds to me that the list represents the opinions of some unknown editorial staff members using their own "feelings" about what makes this or that car "boring"!
I cannot tell you whether or not the LaCrosse belongs on a list of the most boring cars. I don't know what determines "boring" as opposed to "exciting"! It's really just an opinion and I have no opinion about the LaCrosse.
Now if you asked me about exciting cars, I could answer the 2015 Corvette Stingray Coupe with the big engine, the 2015 Ford Mustang GT, Ferrari, Lambourghini, Jaguar Coupe FS, Mercedes CLS and SL and CL, Bugati, and about 20 other exciting cars to drive.
Hope I answered your question.
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That's unusually high for Florida. Every time I'm there I see gas about 20 cents less than upstate NY. Filled the Lincoln with premium last night @ $4.05/gal.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Here you go:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4411433176.html
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
It's spring. The price of gas always goes up in the spring.
Remember that the demand for gasoline is pretty inelastic. For the most part, people will buy it no matter the price. At some point, the demand will drop as will the price. It's capitalism at it's finest.
Premium is about $3.79 a gallon at the local Shell. I drive a lot for my company and often drop $150-$200 a week for gas so I feel the high prices.
It looks kind of nice. What's the criteria they used for boring?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Ya think?
Based on your criteria, that Camaro may indeed fit the bill, but not at anywhere near asking price. $4K is the number, me thinks.
That LeBaron? I had a business colleague many moons ago that absolutely loved those cars. He commuted from just south of Columbus, OH to Cincinnati....EVERY DAY! Or, about 200 miles round trip. He preferred the turbo models, but I think he went through 3 LeBarons in the 7 years I worked with him. I don't remember him having any issues.
But, the one you posted was a "tow vehicle" Can't quite put my finger on why that bothers me as it looks like it was the "tow-ee" vs being the "tow-er". But, $2,500 and it runs. It has that going for it.
Personally, I'd try to score that Camaro for $4K over the LeBaron at $2,500.
Richard....I had a '69 MGB GT that I bought back in the mid-'80s. What a fun car.....WHEN IT RAN! The electronics were a nightmare. And, I had to "fiddle" with the carbs constantly to keep it running. I even rebuilt the carbs, but they were some of the poorest designed and built parts I had ever seen, on any car.
The brakes....well, I could have opened my car door and drug my foot to get it to stop quicker.
Man, did it look nice, though....real wood steering wheel and shifter, real wire wheels, etc.
I had it for about a year. One day, coming out of a grocery store, I saw a guy putting a note on my MG. At first, I thought he was trying to "mess with it". Come to find out, he was interested in buying it. It didn't take me long to make that deal. I don't even remember what I sold it for, except it was a cash deal and I had a wad of Benjamins that I immediately took to the AMC store to buy a Renault Fuego Turbo. I jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
Ha ha don't I know it. I took my wife for a ride in that old Corvette I use to have and her first comment was "is there something wrong with the muffler?". That V8 rumble is sweet music.
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The gas industry is a interesting one, with some free market enterprise, some government regulation, and plenty of corruption and collusion. In the spirit of a free market, the government has very little control over the price of gas. Aside from empty threats, the government's most powerful tool is the national reserve, which they can release to oversupply the market and drive down prices....temporarily. The supply is quite small compared to national demand, so that impact will be short lived.
If we want to end the power Big Oil has over us, the only true and workable solution I see is to remove demand. Stop buying the product and Big Oil loses its manipulative power. Speaking of which, I just bought an electric mower and am dumping the gas one I have. One more small step away from Big Oil
Forget the cattle and work on the energy problem. In this month's issue of North Carolina Business, there is an article entitled "The Black Plague". It talks about the huge availability of coal which is cursed by the federal government. Though power companies complain that they could use it and reduce rates, the EPA isn't likely to allow that to happen. Regardless of how one feels about the
The coal farce is based on the folly of science showing global warming is a major problem. Just the opposite. It's not been proven. The "science" cited is usually faux science and just bits and pieces. The Law of Parsimony applies: if you have to blame increasing average world temps on Global Warming, but then turn around and blame the last 10 years of global cooling on Global Warming as well, you're making an unnecessary complication in your hypothesis to explain your theory.
As for not burning coal here in our power plants, how does burning the same coal shipped to India or China in dirty burn situations improve world Global Warming? Balderdash. However, if someone will let me make money by being part of the New York Stock Exchange equivalent for trading the Cap and Trade credits for producing the innocuous gas CO2, I'll be happy to change my scientific view, go on tour to push the selected data points, make a video to be shown to school children to indoctrinate them, and in general be obnoxiously self-righteous about my viewpoint.
We should be using our coal. We should have been drilling for oil on federal lands, etc.. Political folly.
The EPA has been used as a way to bypass Congress. The Congress, bless their little hearts, wouldn't have voted for lots of these "rules" that come out which act as law. Time to back down the power of that agency; same for the IRS.
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"Richard....I had a '69 MGB GT that I bought back in the mid-'80s. What a fun car.....WHEN IT RAN! The electronics were a nightmare. And, I had to "fiddle" with the carbs constantly to keep it running."
GG - I had a bright orange MGB-GT in 1974 - I had traded my TR6 for it because it had been flooded by a thunderstorm one day and started rusting. You are so right about the MGB-GT. It sputtered, jerked, started in the mornings only when it wanted to start. It did not have an automatic choke - it was a manual choke. Very low to the center of gravity but since I was in my late twenties, I was skinny and very flexible - getting in and out was not a problem.
But that car was not very dependable, that's for sure. It was at the dealer's service dept. More than it was in my garage.
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Not anymore, as I was going home I saw it being loaded up on a flatbed. I wish the new owner the best of luck.
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Mike....I learned how to work on cars with that MGB. I didn't have a choice. I couldn't afford a mechanic, particularly as often as the car needed one.
I remember it had SU carbs. IIRC, either Weber or Zenith made replacement carbs for the MGB. But, I didn't find out until later that those were more dependable. By that time, I had already done total rebuilds on the old ones.
The battery was under the back seat. It caught fire once. Not a bad fire. But, I did have to replace the entire back seat. If the brake shoes got wet, stopping was a real adventure.
It had a great shifter/trans, and really direct and light MANUAL steering. It was a "chick magnet" too.
I replaced every bit of wiring in that car, along with 2-3 batteries.
It's no wonder there aren't many (any?) cars being designed or built in the UK any more.
>Premium is about $3.79 a gallon at the local Shell. I drive a lot for my company and often drop $150-$200 a week for gas so I feel the high prices.
Gas prices around here are at about $4/gallon for RUG.
I am planning to commute a lot this summer by bike.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
imid....I can't disagree about anything you stated concerning fuel.
The OIL fueled (pun intended) PACs are so rich, and so strong, there aren't many politicians willing to tackle the real issue. There have been a few times when some politicians try to open the kimono to see what oil companies are really doing regarding price fixing. But, once Shell, BP etc starts pulling campaign funds, those studies fizzle out.
The last time anyone started tightening the screws on big oil was with BP and the Gulf oil spill. We had a chance to clean up physically and economically the damage that they did. But, they rode out the storm. Threw some dollars at the clean up, and went on to business as usual.
Here's what I see happening. Oil demand has been stagnant for many years. It's actually been declining. Lot of reasons for this. Mainly, there are more efficient fuels, as well as cleaner mining techniques available. Cars are more efficient, and are about to get uber efficient in a short period of time. Then, there are alternate fuels (electric, more noise about hydrogen being thrown out there recently), which will drive demand down even further.
At some point, big oil won't be able to prop up pricing artificially or be able to price fix any more. Then, they'll cry about how environmental rules must be relaxed in order for them to compete. Failing that, they'll pull out the old trump card of how many layoffs they'll have to make if prices don't rise. Once we quit listening to that garbage, we'll finally see the open market determine the price of oil in this country.
China is already looking at ways to curb their demand. Europe has never had their own domestic oil sources, so they'll continue to pay the most. They'll be the first to embrace electrics, sooner than later.
10-15 years from now, big oil is going to be viewed as an industry that didn't change with the times....kind of like JC Penny or Sears.
Sounds like you have a good understanding of global warming, the IRS, and the EPA. Our views are the same. I just wish our elected leaders would get a little more aggressive in reining these out of control agencies in.
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GG said:I had a wad of Benjamins that I immediately took to the AMC store to buy a Renault Fuego
Wow. Big mistake
I asked my Mom to wait for me to come up before buying a new car. She didn't. Bought a VW Rabbit, AMC (the one with the glass dome) and a Corvair (non turbo).
You have her beat with the Renault...that is the worst car ever.
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Imid, well stated about oil, coal and the EPA. I agree wholeheartedly with all of it.
When the EPA talks about global warming I always ask myself if it were global cooling would they recommend driving more gas guzzlers and using more aerosol cans. I think not.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I believe to the MSN editors, boring means generic styling, quiet interior devoid of pavement noise, benign handling and lack of driving engagement. These attributes could be applied to most vehicles who seek to balance comfortable ride and good road manners...On that basis, the Lacrosse would be indeed classified as a boring ride.
Mako...for whatever reason, I thought that Renault Fuego was a "hot car" at the time. Within a month of me buying it, the shifter literally bent in half just from me rowing the gears. There was a little reverse lock out ring you had to engage to put the car in reverse (manual trans) that broke constantly, only allowing me to go forward, not reverse. The dealer said I had overheated the turbo when it locked up. They said it wasn't a warranty item (how can that be? I don't spool up the turbo. It was sealed so there wasn't any way for an owner to check or replenish the turbo lubrication). The driver's window kept coming out of its track.
And all that was just my first year of ownership. It only got worse from there.
I was timid at the time, and didn't give the dealership much pushback when it came to standing up for what was right in dealing with warranty work.
But, that wasn't the worst car I ever owned. That dubious distinction is saved for a Ford Tempo, which would quit for no apparent reason....on the highway....doing 50.
I, too, was considering a Fuego. As, for reasons unknown to me, my dad had bought a Renault LeCar (bright yellow with black stripes and an AM radio. Yes, total chick magnet!) to replace the Saab 900 that was rear-ended by a drunk driver (I was driving the Saab, the rear end gave its life to save ours. Was able to drive it home) that was a reliable and economical servant. Of course, it was made of tin... If I have my chronology correct, I bought an Acura Integra instead. I believe that I chose wisely...
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Did it have a problem with the ignition switch?
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@bwia said:
" I believe to the MSN editors, boring means generic styling, quiet interior devoid of pavement noise, benign handling and lack of driving engagement. These attributes could be applied to most vehicles who seek to balance comfortable ride and good road manners...On that basis, the Lacrosse would be indeed classified as a boring ride."
I guess on that basis, if what you say about the LaCrosse is true (and I have no reason to believe it is not), then perhaps it is a boring car - but many people love driving boring cars - less to take your attention from when driving.
I have had several :"boring" cars in my lifetime, but the one that comes to mind quickly is the 1988 Lincoln Town Car. Beautiful on the outside, comfortable on the inside, and drove like a flying carpet on the highway or even in a parking lot. Now that's boring!
Another car that comes to mind that was quite boring to me was 1968 Mercury Cougar. It was a Mustang in disguise, to be sure. I had a stick shift in it, but it was a 3-speed stick - now what could be more boring than a 3-speed manual transmission. The interior was plain and the seats about as comfortable as what you sit on to do your business in an outhouse. It was sluggish and had little, if any appeal to just about anyone.
Another boring car I leased was a 1989 Ford Taurus V6. I drove that thing from Miami to San Diego in 4 days - and it was about as stable as a "DoDo Bird" coming in for a landing. The interior was almost comfortable, but everything about the car was just plain "boring".
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Rag top looks pretty good. With a little reconditioning, you would have a nice "antique' at nearly 20 years. I'd do some new seat covers, find a replacement steering wheel, and some new head and parking light covers. I always did like the design of those cars. Not a bad deal for $2,500.
Richard
You only feel it until you get your travel check at the end of the month, right?
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who wondered about that. Not being mechanical, I thought that it was something that I just didn't understand. It does indeed look like the "tow-ee" rather than the "tow-er". Were it the "tow-er", I would be concerned for the stress on the transmission. Then again, it may now have a newer transmission. I would have some questions to ask. Still, at $2,500 and running, it might be a fun car for cruising around town with the top down.
My neighbor down the street still has one with wood siding. It is in mint condition. He used to be the Chrysler dealer here. Always said that the '95 model was his favorite since he opened the business in 1954.
Richard
And we always go south across the border to buy US gas (only 15 minute drive) as here in Vancouver the price for regular hovers around $1.50/L, Premium is closer to $1.60-$1.65L cdn.
That's equivalent to about $5.16 US/gallon for regular, and $5.67 Us/gallon fopr premium.
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Funny you should mention the brakes on your MG. I had the same problem. I'll never forget leaving school one day, I got a ticket for slowly moving through a stop sign. I tried to tell the cop that it was the stupid brakes that wouldn't stop the car in time. He didn't buy that excuse. The heater was a nightmare---only worked on mild days, never on cold days. As I mentioned earlier, the exhaust system was never fixed though several mechanics tried. Looks? Oh yes, it was beautiful----yellow with a black top and red interior, plus all the wood trim. A man at the bank was drooling to buy it. My mistake? I allowed him to purchase it with four payments. After two payments, he decided that he had inherited all of the problems. To get my other two payments, I had to contact the president of the bank. You can believe that the balance was quickly paid. The bank did not look kindly upon its employees who didn't pay their bills or meet their financial obligations. Since then, I have never wanted to sell a car privately.
Imid: Please see paragraph above. I just realized that I didn't respond to your post about selling my convertible privately. I suppose that I could do it, but people are so crazy this day and age that I hesitate to deal with possible buyers, especially coming to my house. With my luck, they would return to rob the house or worse.
Richard
With that description, I suppose that Cadillac would have to join the list of the boring. They say that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I doubt that MSN did any research. It was probably some editorial department guys sitting around the table having fun making a hit list.
Richard
To those on either side of the global warming issue try Googling "Glacier Girl" for an interesting story about a P-38 fighter plane that made an emergency landing on ice in Greenland in 1942. Fifty years later in 1992 it was rescued after being covered by 268 feet of ice. They used hot water to melt a sort of mine shaft to the plane and removed it in pieces. It went to southern Ky and was restored and flew again in 2002.
This an interesting story for several reasons but the first thing I thought of when I read it was " if global warming is a real problem, how did this plane accumulate 268 feet of snow and ice on top of it in 50 years?"
Mike, I had to laugh about the boring qualities of your '88 Town Car. Those qualities were what made my '89 Town Car so exciting to me. Different strokes, right?
Richard
Boring cars, I've driven (but not purchased/owned) a few. Which didn't make them bad, just functional without eliciting emotion:
Olds Delta 88: Company car, actually did elicit an emotion, fear!, when the seam on top of the gas tank split and started leaking gas at a somewhat prodigious rate.
Mercury Sable: Another Co car
Nissan Stanza: Hatchback, versatile, slow, a bit ungainly proportions but reliable and functional.
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Just drive past my Exxon station. RUG is still at 3.28. Need to fill up later!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Nope - I'm self employed so every fill up comes out of my revenue.
Today was a quick 60 mile day with all my sales calls in Boston - got less than 21 mpg. Last week was a 400 mile tour of CT on one day and a 300 mile tour of ME and NH on another - got about 25 mpg.
Yes the tax deduction is nice at the end of the year but I have to wait until next March to get my "reimbursement".
Great price for RUG. Here, the lowest prices are at Costco which just raised their price of premium unleaded to $409.9 a gallon and RUG $3.89.9. Remember, Costco is the very cheapest for gasoline down here. The average Premium Unleaded is $420 a gallon. I really don't remember every paying $420 a gallon for PUG. This must a a record price since even the AAA down here mentioned that PUG is the highest it's ever been in the State of Florida.
So, something is going on, I just don't know what it is. Probably a combination of spot shortages, refineries not working at full capacity, oil companies's twice a year price gouging to fill their coffers, shortages of ethanol, etc., etc., etc. All I can say is that it is now costing me about $350.00 a month just for gasoline - and I don't go anywhere. I use about 20 gallons a week, or one tankful each week.
And according the the AAA, prices will continue to rise to levels never seen before through the end of June. Could reach $5.00 a gallon for Premium Unleaded. And, they expect it to stay there throughout the summer. That will kill whatever growth we've had in our economy over the past couple of years.
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"Could reach $5.00 a gallon for Premium Unleaded"
Guess I picked a bad time to buy a car that requires PUG!
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It really only FEELS bad. If my math is correct - and you should assume that it isn't, because there's a very good chance that it isn't - if you drive 20K miles/year and use PUG instead of RUG, your annual premium over RUG amounts to a measly $200, based on a 20 MPG average. Even if you're getting 15 MPG, that takes it up to $266/year. I doubt anyone driving a new-ish car that is nice enough to need PUG is living and dying over a $20/month budget flux.
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Richard, don't be too worried about private sales. When I sold the Vette I worried that a lot of kids would want to joy ride. Within hours of putting it out on the street I got 2 calls, one from a flake and the other from a guy who lives a few miles away. He was so hot to buy it he literally burned rubber to the bank and was back in 15 minutes with hundred dollar bills. Didn't even want to test drive.
I see him tooling around in it from time to time. Since I know where he lives, if he robs my house I know where to find him.
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There was also a B-29 that made a forced landing up there but wasn't buried in ice. I saw a documentary of a group that went up and got it back into flying condition only to have it catch fire and burn up when they attempted take off.
As to the P-38 being buried by 268 feet of global warming I say it was caused by one heck of a snow job. :
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I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard a rich acquaintance complaining about the price of gas. If their car needs premium, it's even worse. It is interesting that as gas prices rise, Toyota continues to offer healthy discounts on the Prius. For those looking for big price breaks if we could become oil independent -- dream on. The price is set on world wide demands and market manipulation. I was outraged when I found out we EXPORT oil all the time.
"I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard a rich acquaintance complaining about the price of gas."
Whether you are rich, middle class OR poor, the price of gasoline is 75 cents more expensive than it was 6 months ago down here. That's a 20% increase! The price of a barrel of oil on the world markets has gone up only 10% since October. So, it would seem there is a gap of 10%. That is quite a gap, especially since we export hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil every day!
Rich, poor, or in the middle, it still means less money available for purchasing other products - with little if any hope for prices to stabilize.
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Half my fleet requires PUG.
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2/3rds of my fleet runs on PUG.
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5/6 of mine- and I could not care less; I've never selected a car based on the fuel grade it uses, and I'm not about to start now...
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My wife was driving a 1981 Renault R18 when we first started dating in 1982. One year later I bought my 1973 Bavaria(which my future wife found for me). The R18 broke more often than the Bav and was almost always more expensive to fix. The final straw was when the three speed automatic began downshifting to second on its own when driving down the Interstate on a steady throttle...
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Well the same people who will tell you that glacier's are melting due to global warming will tell you that global warming will put more moister in the air thereby causing more snow which will make the glacier grow. So when a glacier melts its global warming and when a glacier grows it's global warming. To much rain? that's global warming, to little rain? that's global warming. We had one of the coldest winters in history and they blamed that on global warming. Those who promote global warming have positioned themselves in such a way that no matter what happens it's global warming. The fall of Rome, World War II, the Grand Canyon, the Cubs not winning the World Series in over 100 years, the death of Peter the Great and his lesser known brother Jim the Average all caused by global warming.
Truth be told the climate changes all the time, in the past it has been colder than it is now and in the past it has been warmer than it is now. It will continue to change and at times it will do so quickly.
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I agree. The type of fuel a car takes has no bearing on what I drive. Heck, I'm considering a diesel powered Passat & ULSD is $.50 per gallon more than RUG.
It does however drive me bonkers when I talk to someone who drives a car that specifically requires PUG & they say: "I just use regular" or "I put mid-grade in it."
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