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In your case, you probably could have made a scene and completed the deal, but at that point, walking was likely the best idea, since would you really want to have to finish a deal with those idiots?
If it was me, I would have been so P.O'd that I would have gone over to the other women, told her that I was getting 1K off (in case she wasn't), but more importantly, that I dropped out and she was the only negotiater, so she should cut the price!
Heck, I would have offered to be her 3rd base coach on the deal, just for the fun of it!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
My guess would be that they never planned to include coupes in that 1000.00 off MSRP deal ESPECIALLY a V-6 NAVI. I think they really screwed up by not specificing that part.
BUT...they definatly SHOULD have honored the deal they offered to you. Once you agreed to buy the car and put a deposit on it, they should have put that other woman on hold until you either bought it or not. They should NOT have let someone drive a car you were buying and your financial arrangements shouldn't have had anything to do with anything.
That's just my opinion.
1. You get the car you want
2. You get the financing you want
3. The guy who shoved the loan down your throat gets a charge back.
I agree with Isell, if they agreed to sell it they should have and I am sure your ethnic back ground/age had nothing to do with it, I would guess kiawah hit the nail on the head, the other customer was offering more green backs.
It is different. The dealer agreed to a deal but when they saw a higher bidder they went after it. I know this happens and I know business is business but this is what has given dealers the rep that they have.
If this happened to me I would have offered more to get the car with no intention of following through with the deal and I would have dragged my feet until the other customer had left the store if I could have. In either case, I would have gone clear to the point of signing on the dotted line, then left. The only problem with this is, the salesman who was on your side gets burned. That’s business too and maybe you’ve done him a favor in the long run because now he sees how the store will steal from one salesman and back the other salesman for the almighty dollar. So, if he leaves and goes to a better run store, he’s better off.
Just wait a bit, you'll see other vehicles and have other opportunities to make a deal.
That’s a given. Buying a hot car is never good for the buyer and this tale proves that once again. It sounds like a young guy and he really wanted this car and once he came to terms with the dealer he should have been the one to drive that car home even though he will save money by waiting..
I’m a firm believer in fighting fire with fire.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Not when an offer is already accepted by the seller. There are penalties when a seller backs down, aren't there?
2018 430i Gran Coupe
You guys won't believe it! I settled down in my favorite Lazy Boy chair with a bottle of water, some cashews, and took my meds. Last thing I remember is the Bills running back a kick-off or punt return. Then I was out!
Mackabee
Man was I surprised when I woke up this morning. Dallas better bring their A Game for the Pats next week or they can kiss the undefeated season goodbye.
Mackabee
BE SURE to place your experience on this site in the "Dealership Review" section. At least it may help other potential buyers who might be considering a visit to that same dealership. There ARE some nice dealers. I met one this past Friday. Because he is helpful, low key, and intelligent, I will probably purchase from him when he finds my car. Good luck to you. You'll find what you want. Just be patient and keep looking. Also, you can learn much by just watching this site.
Buying a "hot car" CAN be a good thing if the buyer is happy with the deal. It isn't always about money and the dollars spent aren't always the most important thing for a lot of people.
I wouldn't want to work in a store that would operate like that one.
All three vehicles, Kelly said, ended up on the side of the road. His "rock-solid" Range Rover was the only vehicle not to flip over.
I wouldn't want to work in a store that would operate like that one.
I have to admit that even though I knew you wouldn’t work in a store that operated that way (heard your comments about stuff like this many times), I’m a little surprised that you agreed with me but I guess when you’re right you’re right and I know I was right about this.
Although I did like what ‘stickguy’ said about being a coach and what ‘joel' said about paying it off via another loan so you get the car you want, financed the way you want and the dealer is “charged back”. I’m sure if people knew about the ‘joel method’ they would probably go for it. Darn, he might even become famous for this tid bit of info, like that other guy who used to hang out here that has a “method” named for him. Heck, with the 'joel method', they’d get the car and stick it to the dealer at the same time. What can be better than that? That’s even better than my method.
Buying a "hot car" CAN be a good thing if the buyer is happy with the deal. It isn't always about money and the dollars spent aren't always the most important thing for a lot of people.
I agree that if you just have to have a “hot car” then you’ll be satisfied even though you’ll have paid more to get it NOW. Me, I’d rather wait till it cooled off a little. I never was the type that had to be the first on the block with anything but I guess I’m showing my age with that comment.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
What dogs those are now!
Heck, I would have offered to be her 3rd base coach on the deal, just for the fun of it!
Now that's an idea I like. In this case, the slime ball sales manager has it coming.
‘Rover’, now don’t fall over, I’m going to agree with you about Range Rover’s.
I’ve mention that I’m doing some consulting work for my old employer. Well, lately, I’ve been traveling the PA turnpike for a couple exits (about 20 miles) from the other building where I also did some work.
The speed limit is 65 but I set the cruise control between 70/75, just so I don’t get run over by EVERYONE (don’t want to mess around with those 18 wheelers). There is not a lot of traffic but I’ve noticed how the guys that drive the panel trucks and SUV’s do like to do a lot of lane changing and how those vehicles lean quite a bit as a result of this (especially the panel trucks). Now for the part you’ll like, almost everyday I see these same two Range Rovers driven by youngest type women who also like this dart in dart out lane changing thing except that as their vehicles start to lean they seem to right them selves pretty good. They seem much more stable than any of the other SUV’s (those panel trucks are just awful with this). Do Range Rovers have a system that corrects for this type of instability?
I’ve heard you mention several times about the number of woman that drive Range Rovers. I guess their fathers/husbands are trying to give them a safe handling machine and there is nothing wrong with that if you can afford to do it. It would be even better if they were taught better driving techniques but then like I said the guys aren’t any better and they’re driving less stable vehicles.
I told you you’d like this post.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Thx
mACK
It means the bank charges the dealer back the money they made on the loan because the customer paid it off to quick. Most banks work on a "No charge backs after 90 days" policy.
Everybody makes mistakes ! :P
Right idea wrong field. The one he looks at is about 20 south west of Boston.
Here we go again with internet lingo. If OP means “Original Poster”, then yeah, I did “know that” but I was giving the one who said “charged back” (joel) a chance to answer since I’m not one to horn in on something I didn’t start (got too many bloody noses like that as a kid).
Now, if that ain’t what that means, tell me, please.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
OP Observation Post
OP Ocean Pacific
OP A character on the Andy Griffith Show
OP Old People (If this is the case then he was talking about you jmonroe)
OP Other Post
Just for the people who don't know. Reserve is profit for financing you. Even if you go with your bank they will make a profit on the loan.
Also thanks JM for explaining "OP"... I am not up to date with all the lingo and text talk.
What a game last night.... I have to give props to Romo. He did played Pisser the last 48 seconds of the game. The game was wicked.
There is alittle Boston lingo for you. :shades:
Please note: If you buy a car (or any item) using the equity in your home and you can't/don't make a few payments, it won't be the car that is taken away from you...!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
If you step up to a Supecharged Range Rover Sport then it has Dynamic Response which adds hydraulically actuated active sway bars front and rear in addition to ARM. Dynamic Response doesn't just limit body roll it almost eliminates it completely. It is a strange feeling to be driving a truck that is nearly three tons and about 6 feet tall with almost no body roll.
One of the techs here saw a scariest police chase video a while ago where the police are chasing a old body style 1999 or 2000 Range Rover. The police either shoot out or use spike strips to puncture the passenger side rear tire. He keeps driving on the flat until wheel gets so hot that it comes off the car. Now the Range Rover is driving on three wheels with the rotor occasionally sparking on the ground at nearly 60 mph. He said he could see the air suspension fighting to keep the truck up right but eventually he went around a corner too fast and it failed flipping the car over.
Something I've noticed lately is manufacturers (not just of cars) intentionally limiting production to keep the hype up. It seems that nothing makes some people want something more than being told they can't have it.
The Nintendo Wii is a good example of such intentional limiting. No one can tell me that if they wanted to meet demand, they couldn't have this far after introduction.
In the car arena, the limited run Mustangs are a good example. The GT500 and Shelby GT's could have sold in much higher volume and a much lower price ($7k markup on the Shelby GT's, $20k+ for the GT500's) if Ford had decided to build them. Mazdaspeed 3 and Volkswagon R32 are two more examples. I wonder how many customers they've lost for life who rushed to the dealer to buy a $35k Shelby GT only to be told they'll pay closer to $45k.
I'm sure dealers could care less, since they get to pocket the money or get brownie points with their best customers. However, the manufacturer just loses sales. I can understand the Italian exotics keeping the run limited to keep the prestige.
Then they did what you suggested and up the production so that every one that wanted one could get one. Guess what? The mystic of owning one was gone, now it was just another car that was readily available and there resale value was killed, and it has basically destroyed the SVT program.
That's a nice way of putting it. This is a tough call. If I were a lawyer which I'm not (but I play one on TV)
Mackabee
Stay out of this, you're the one that got me into this discussion in the first place.
Furthermore, don't you listen to anything I've said, "I'm not old, I'm experienced".
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I did watch the highlights. Tough break for the Bills
Mackabee
Mackabee
Mack, I already ordered the vehicle latter part of Sept and it's at my local dealer. I was hoping to get some financing deal, but guess that won't happen. But I will try...
Have been real busy with work, so hopefully will be able to get over there in the next week. "the waiting is the hardest part...."
Of course, none of this applies if you're an "early adopter."
Very good
If you really
Mackabee
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Mackabee
Just curious but how long does it take to do something like that?
Mrs.jmonroe would never allow me to spend that much time on the computer. :mad:
Keep up the good work.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
And the dealership internet connection slows to a crawl, when Mack is back in town.
Cause and effect?.... nahhh
Thanks for the reply.
Since I’m a technical guy I figured it must have been something like that. Then a little while after I posted my question I remembered many moons ago you posted a picture of some high tech stuff under the hood of a Range Rover (something model) that is probably what you are describing. I’ll bet that stuff adds a few bucks to those things not to mention the nightmare they must be if/when they need serviced.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
We haven't hand any problems with the Dynamic Response system at all since it debuted two and a half years ago. The system will sometimes make some clicking nosies when it activates under certain circumstances and people have complained about that but it is part of the normal operation of the vehicle. You probably won't even hear it unless the windows and/or sunroof are open.
This is the second generation of the system though and the first generation was troublesome. The first Gen system was called ACE(Active Cornering Enhancement) and came out on the Series II 1999 Discovery. At the time it was the only SUV in the world with a true active suspension as the current generation air suspension in the Range Rover was more reactive then proactive. The hydraulics in ACE and the Dynamic Response system can just make great adjustments more quickly the the air suspension systems can.
The air suspension Rover uses is now in its fourth or fifth generation depending on the model and it wasn't till the fourth version that most of the kinks were worked out.
Mack