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No, I didn't come back here to rant. I just missed you guys....in a platonic sort of way...... :P
What I want to know is what isellhondas has been doing while I've been gone? He and I, more or less joined Edmunds at the same time. Yet, he's got 3 times the postings I do.
He must have really doled out the critiques in my absence.
Sorry about your Giants. Not a Pats fan. But, NE by two TDs today.
Since I'm already off topic (sorry kirstie & tidester...I'm taking some "long time member license"), I'm looking for there to be a bunch of sales on TVs after the SB. I'm finishing my long treck into building a home theater in my rec room. I'm thinking big honking plasma TV. Anyone have any first hand experience?
It's a toss up between a Panasonic or Samsung 58" 1080P plasma. Suggestions? Thoughts? Recommendations? Costco will order me the Panasonic, and they'll double the manufacturers warranty, at no charge.
Didn't you know? Most of the posters on this board are prison inmates doing long terms. It's either keep posting or take a shower with "Bubba". Which would you choose?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Also I wasn't Navy so don't insult me by thinking I was Navy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I would be more worried by all the people that bought all those cars off an assembly line that was run by people as the were drinking beer. :sick:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Personally I will never do any business with a friend or a relative, its a good way to lose both.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Richard
Richard
We went back and forth for a while and ended up about $200 apart. I was just about to "Bobst" them and walk out when the image of joel's and greanpea's and mack's little children starving flashed into my mind. To my everlasting shame I did a laydown and gave away $178. I swear the salesman was licking his lips as he guided me into F&I "To see Debbie" no doubt thinking he has a real whale in the making.
Fortunately, my head had cleared by the time I sat down in F&I and I was able to resist the Mop&Glo for only $999 and the extended warranty ($1500 deductible, yikes). Please forgive me but I used the "My wife won't let me" excuse and I think I heard Debbie mutter something negative about my manhood as I left.
So now a week later, I'm having buyer's remorse. I feel terrible that I gave up that extra money. All the expert negotiators who post here are no doubt laughing at me. I can't sleep at night for fear that my neighbor might have paid $50 less.
The only thing that will make this situation better is if all you salespeople chip in and forward me the $178 that you cost me. I supose I could be satisfied that I got close to invoice and 0% for 5 years but then that would go against so much that I've learned here. I mean, I didn't even make the salesman cry (although he did ask at one point if I intended to let him make and money).
So anyway, no rush on sending me the money as I am sure today you are all running around your yards with your faces painted team colors. First thing Monday will be fine.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
That said, I qualify for Ford's Z plan and GM's GMS plan via my sister and bro-in-law, respectively. Through work, I qualify for the VP pricing on Nissan/Infinit products.
I've got a friend who owns a Toyota/Honda dealership (at least her Father does). She hooks me up with their wares.
The local BMW dealer goes to my church. I've been known to corner him after services to get something more favorable at his stores than just walking in off the street. Yes, I've shamelessly asked for a big discount on a car in the church parking lot from him (looking for lightening to strike me :surprise: )
That doesn't leave a whole lot of other brands out there that I can't get a "deal" on.
Maybe I can use "moo" if I'm ever in the market for a Porsche..... :P
Now, if I were in the market for a Chrysler product, I have to do the negotiation "thing". But, I can't see any time in the future that I'd consider their products.
Secondly, we bought the big Samsung for our new room addition. It is absolutely the best one that we have ever owned. The sound and picture quality is great. You won't believe where I bought it. After researching them at Best Buy, Circuit City, Rex, etc., I ended up getting it at Wal-Mart. As the assistant manager explained, the other guys work on commission. Wal-Mart employees do not. They can afford to lower the price quite a bit on the large models. I saved $500 over the cost at other places. Hope you find what you want. It is a fairly large investment, so you need to be happy about it.
BTW, it is nice to see you back here.
What did you buy? With 0% and close to invoice, you should be throwing a party. Don't worry about Debbie. She probably beats her husband with a tire tool if he opens his mouth.
Richard
Actually, we both lost most of our "seniority" when they redid the forums. I think I started sometime in 1997 and you may have too but all of us got moved up to April, 2001.
We may have lost a weeks vacation when that happened and we might not get our gold watches when the time comes.
A lot of changes and a LOT of people who have disappeared over the years.
Oh...nevermind...he's the guy running for President!
Oh, he’s still around. He got mad at me awhile back and said something to the effect that he’s, “done talking to me”. :surprise: I think he should follow his oft used line “life’s too short” and make up with me. He still talks to Jip and you know how they go at it.
He and I, more or less joined Edmunds at the same time. Yet, he's got 3 times the postings I do.
He must have really doled out the critiques in my absence.
Yeah, when he wants to, he’ll converse; just not at me.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
And it is too short to hold grudges and I don't.
OK, alright, I said, “life’s too short”. Don't tell me you want to go at it over this. :surprise:
Anytime you're ready.
Hey 'graph' this must be why you came back; you're a real peace maker.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
One of those "girl" cars. That's why Debbie's comments hurt. Well, I can always go down to the corner bar again and start a fight with some big dude. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
One of those "girl" cars. That's why Debbie's comments hurt. :surprise:
Did you buy a Toyoda ? :lemon:
Go with the Panasonic, better picture quality, and double the warranty?
I'm not a Giants fan either, on the contrary I root for the Cowboys but I am an NFC man. So I'm backing the NFC team. Plus I really think they have a chance of pulling the greatest upset in NFL history. I don't like the Patsies at all, they are a bunch of cheaters, starting from the top on down.
Tom (The Robot) Brady is not one of my favorite persons either. He may look like the nicest guy in the world after the games when he's all smiles but he's moral character leaves something to be desired.
:" :shades:
Whatever happened to bowke28 and dbauer?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
LOL Nope, I may be a girly man but stupid I'm not.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Good catch Mack... I didn't even see it... I just thought it was a dumb question that he asked and scrolled down.
GP
Yup... haha. I would have gotten invoice at 0% for 7 years.
We went back and forth for a while and ended up about $200 apart
Has mac taught you nothing?
How about a little more he said she said? There has to be some more drama and detail in the story than you're letting on. Any expletives, violence or nudity?
Did you check under the hood to see if any parts had been cannibalized?
Holy crap you bought a car :surprise:
You have been researching for sometime... Congratulations... :shades:
What did you get?
I feel one salesperson made a mini this weekend in New York :lemon:
GP
Sorry mack, that may have been overly harsh. Last new vehicle I bought was a Toyoda and it was pretty bad. I'm sure they build them better now but I'm a little gun shy.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
You're not alone. Particularly at work, but also at home, I've noticed that only a few can create but everyone fancies themselves good at editing. When a task needs to be done, there's a long silence, but once someone does it, many are willing to offer up "helpful" suggestions.
After a few decades, I'm reasonably good at not taking it personally.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
are
While I don't doubt that some technology may be shared I certainly don't think they would build the new Landcruiser on a 7 year old platform. What say you?
If anyone else has any info on this please feel free to chime in.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
:shades:
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
To keep this post honest: Car buying, like writing, is also creative. There are many car experts who give advice, but how creative are they when they sit in the negotiation chair? This was also a topic at church today. Few people will chair a committee, but many people will serve on the committee and tell you how to do the job.
Richard
I am so proud of you for using that humor.
There you go again---getting on the defensive. It's obvious that you missed chatting with him.
Be nice or I will move you from the corner to the closet. :lemon:
We thought it over, and after that we decided to get him the 2008 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. It is an absolutly phenomenal truck.
Here are the details:
4X4, leather, upgraded sound system, power windows/seats. It is Fire Red, and it has a Black hard top. 3.8L V6 Manual.
He loves it, and it drives like a dream. We told him everything that I have told you all. "If he flips/wrecks it, he is on him own."
I am giving him a chance in it, and if worse comes to worse. Well, you get the point. I wanted to thank everyone who helped, and THANK YOU FOR ADVICE! Really. It helped a lot.
I will be back!
How does this relate to car purchases? Well I was going to take all my game-related winnings (which now total $0), march right on down to my local Jag or Porsche dealer, hold the greenbacks aloft and cry, "Who wants to sell me a car today!"
Time to buy lottery tickets...
Congrats, NY/NJ Giants and Fans.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
DEPRESSION :sick:
GP
" New York Teams are Superior "
" Toyota is the superior import "
I can tell you guys this much... Morale is down in New England today. Hopefully people will want to put a end to their misery by buying a new or used vehicle.
GP
" New York teams are Superior "
" Toyota is the superior import"
There must be a way I can save this so I don't have to type it every time.
-moo
Thanks this will be as long week...
" New York teams are Superior "
" Toyota is the superior import"
That was easy
GP
Richard....thanks for the welcome back. I appreciate it. When I dropped out of here for awhile, I was getting a lot of flack about some of my views.
oldfarmer...I too want to know what "girly" car you bought. As far as that $179 you threw into the deal, look at it this way. You could have used it for about 1/5th the cost of a ticket to the SB, one night out with your beloved to Morton's Steak House, 4 tanks of gas, a really cheap suit, 45 minutes with your lawyer....
Watched the SB at a friend's house. He's got one of those gargantuan 60" Pioneer plasmas. I'm in TV lust (something my girlfriend believes I need therapy for).
I've budgeted $3K for a TV.
Like my car purchases, looks like I'm going to have to rethink what I've budgeted vs what I want.
I loathe shopping at Wal-Mart/Sam's Club, but if they can "cut me a deal", looks like I'm going to have to grace their aisles.
You were getting hit as hard as I normally did. It was obviously annoying for you, but I had to smile.
I'm glad your back. I already used your line on one of my test drivers from Saturday.
A younger man and his wife pulled up in an Acura CL late model. I greet them and he acts very nervous and talks very fast. He immediately starts explaining to me that he can afford our vehicles, he just doesn't understand why someone would pay $46k for a Cayenne. I assure him that noone is paying that amount and the lowest he would find one for would be around $52k (with options and destination added to base price). He acts a little stunned.
I try to talk slow and relax the way I look so that he'll calm down as well. He's talking so fast! I guess he must have been put through the ringer at another dealer. When I told the couple about the pricing on the cars, the wife didn't look too enthused. I asked her about that and she said that she wasn't going to spend $50k on a vehicle. Hubby insisted on test driving anyhow.
So we went out and I gave them a nice hood/trunk. He kept calling me "Mike" during the test drive though. I guess a previous salesman he had talked to on Saturday had that name.
When we got back, I looked at him and said...
"Sir, let's pretend my name really is 'Mike" and you've known me all your life. You could tell me anything. Sir, do you have any intention of purchasing this vehicle from me in the future?"
Him. "Scott, I just don't know."
"Sir, do I need to follow up with you then?"
Him. "I'll call you."
:P
Thanks, GG. You've got some great stuff that I don't mind using at all.
-moo
Although I'm not a Pats fan, I’m not gloating because I know what it feels like to go that far and not close the biggest deal.
The local franchise here in the ‘Burgh’ failed to close the deal in 95’ and didn’t get another shot at it until 2005 and I know that if they had to deal with your franchise that year they wouldn’t have made it. They never could close a deal against your franchise when the incentive program was the highest.
I also know that a lot of franchises and buyers too, think it is their birth-right to close all sales during the incentive program but it doesn’t always happen. It will be a cold day in the tropics when we see another franchise make the first 18 sales and not get the 19th. But you have to admit, as the regular sales event was nearing its end the deals were getting much harder to close and there were signs of a sale that was about to get away. I’m sure the realists in your franchise area could see the possibility of the last sale going to someone else although, right now, it’s still hard to accept it.
As the SM of the local franchise used to say after any sale got away, “in 48 hours we’ll be able to deal with this. Right now it’s just hard to take” and he was right.
Like you said, that negotiating session for the final sale kept you on the edge of your seat. I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen a better one.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl