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Satisfied?
There was a song with the lyrics
I'm not a pheasant plucker
I'm a pheasant pluckers son
and I'm sitting plucking pheasants
till the pheasant plucker comes.
Now try saying that.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
But, what a wild experience. Just goes to prove, takes all kinds.
In another episode, another wash, I was behind a lady who did exactly the same thing as you experienced. She stepped on the brakes to avoid the dryer at the end of the wash. I guess she didn't believe that it would swing up and out of the way. I was behind her and I stepped on my brakes. The person behind kept bumping into my car. The major problem was my passenger (my boss and the car owner) was claustrophobic. It really made for an interesting 10 minutes or so. He's yelling at me to get him out, water is still spraying the car, so he can't open the door, we are feeling the bumps as the rollers go under the tires, and the car behind us keeps hitting us. Not pleasant at the time, but quite amusing now.
Sorry, but now I wonder if anyone caught my 3rd baseman reference.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Dirty Jobs is a very entertaining and eye opening program. I wouldn't even think about doing half the stuff that Mike Rowe does. He also does some commercials for Ford so I guess that makes selling cars a dirty job too?
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
That is because there is data available that can be used to qualify actuarial. What data is available to say that someone in the paper industry will treat a car better than someone in the advertising, legal, data processing, sewer construction, civil engineering or distribution? Big difference.
Worst drivers by occupation.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
By the way, if one is indeed more wreckless then their insurance premiums should be lower due to fewer wrecks! Of course, Jips meant reckless! :shades:
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
I don't like to give advice, just throw thins in to think about.
On the one hand you paid $23k 7 years ago, and are moving up to a much better vehicle for $4k more than you paid for your first Explorer- which is pretty good.
On the other hand, if you pay about $6k more, you get a brand new car with 4 wheel drive and the way you want it...and it will last you an extra year, and you know it has been driven well.
If you buy this vehicle: Cost $27000 less $5000 trade in, less $5000 value at the end of 6 years makes the cost of driving $2833 a year.
Buy new (4 wheel drive) Cost 33,000 less $5000-might get more on a trade for a new car) less $6000 value at end of 7 years makes the cost of driving $3142 a year.
If true, and i think it is all reasonable, driving the brand new car, will cost you $300 a year more.
I am not advising, just something to consider. And I calculate lots of things that way, and can justify buying lots of nice thing that way to my wife. Like a 52 inch TV over a 40", for just $50 a year based on 10 years.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Guess they didn't interview Tiger.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I would have never heard the end of the "I told you so's".
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I could spend a lot of money in Nashville, between tuition and Joel trying to sell me a new car.
Richard--
A couple of weeks ago I know that I mentioned we seriously considered a certified 08 Rav4 at a Toyota dealership in OKC. My wife and I were both disappointed in what we perceived to be the excessive wear on the interior, particularly the back seats. It was used, so a stain or two wouldn't have been a deal-breaker, but there was pilling of the cloth fabric, several discernible thin spots--just plain rough usage. Curiously, it had been a fleet car driven by a Toyota employee, which doesn't speak well for Toyota's own staff. I have an 18 year-old Toyota with a much better looking interior.
My feeling is that no matter who drove it prior to you nothing beats looking for yourself and running your hands over every surface, but if that's impractical you should ask and do whatever is necessary to make the most informed decision.
Gogiboy
ps. Last weekend I traveled with a colleague to MI and picked up my "miracle" dog from my folk's house. 2000 miles in two days and worth every minute and dollar. He's by my feet as I type this. Despite the traumatic ending of his previous trip with me he plopped right down and slept most of the 16 hour drive back to OK.
Gogiboy
Richard
Interesting sentence. I agree completely though, retail price is just one component of the total picture. Value at the end of use is important, and enjoyment while using are other components. Real estate salespeople say the most important feature of a house is location, location location. I say it is "do you like the way it feels", resale value isn't as important as how much you enjoy the house.
And people giving up a house on HGTV because they won't come down $5000 on a $300,000 house. What does that work out to over 25 years?
I am always interested in how people become wealthy or successful (not always the same). I have read several books on how people created successful companies. It could be considered personal and private, and if you don't care to explain that is fine....but would you care to tell me (us) how you became "independently wealthy"?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Dogs never hold it against you. They know you are trying your best. Another nice thing about dogs is you can drive a new Jaguar, or an old jalopy (I mean hooptie, my new word I learned from oldfarmer), and they love you just the same - as long as they can go with (I can't say the same for some old girlfriends).
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
What does that make the wife (or husband) in negotiations--the second baseman?
And isn't it second and third base or, better yet, home plate that we are all trying to get to metaphorically speaking as well as in financial negotiations? So, in the grander scheme of life we need a second and third baseman to actually reach home. I also agree that the salesman (pitcher) often has a third baseman backing him/her up in the form of a sales manager and if I can continue along the baseball path (analogy), the F & I guy is either "cleanup" for the home team (dealership) or the opposing manager if you are the visitor (potential buyer). :P
I think the above paragraph has something to do with car sales, but I'm not sure.
Gogiboy
You made a very good point about the car purchase. I have never purchased a car that I haven't first seen on site. In this particular case, I trust Joel completely. If the seats had stains or the exterior had little dents, he would tell me. I've been reading his posts for two and a half years now. He is the consummate professional.
Thanks for the input.
Richard
Richard
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Wealth is relative. I'm not quite 7 figures yet, but I can live my remaining years in comfort with or without any further income. Thus the term independent.
I sold real estate in Phoenix in 1975-76 during the interest bump from 6% to 12%.
I learned a lot during that time. Especially how to make a home sell at peak value. I made a lot after that selling and buying houses at just the right time and place.
I gave up much of my wealth buying and selling automobiles. They hold no value over time. I was a sucker for the new car smell. I guess I still am.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I think most of us posting here would fall into that category !!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
unfortunately, to me, light steering effort is becoming the norm.
A few weeks ago, i drove my mom's '03 malibu about 400 miles back from PA.
Last fall, she got new tires, and what a difference from the other times i had driven it any distance.
I found it very satisfying to drive and got 29 mpg to boot.
The steering in our '09 escape is light as i recall, but my wife has only let me drive it a few miles, even though we have had it for about 10 months.
I think she likes it. :shades:
2003 Ford Explorer XLT SUV
4.0 Liter 6 Cy. Soch Sequential-port F.I.
Transmission: Automatic with OD
Color: Gray Pewter
Comfort Equipment and Accessories:
Power Steering
Power Door Locks
Power Driver's Seat
Cassette Player
Gauge Cluster
Tachometer
Tilt Steering Wheel
Tinted glass
Passenger Side Air Bag
Reclining Seats
Compact Disc Player
Power Brakes
Power Windows
AM/FM Stereo Radio
Radial Tires (New)
Trip Odometer
Air Conditioning
Rear Air Conditioning
Cruise Control
Driver Side Air Bag
Front Bucket Seats
Leather Upholstery
Anti-Lock Braking system
Third Row Seat (Never Used)
Alloy Wheels
Interval Wipers
Rear Window Wiper
Carpeting
Day/Night Lever
Driver Side Remote Mirror
Body side Moldings
Center Arm Rest
Inside Hood Release
Maintenance Free Battery (one year old)
Clock
Rear Defroster
Console
Satellite Radio (My Purchase)
Vanity Mirror (Driver & Passenger)
Duel Sport Mirrors
Luggage Rack
Keyless Entry
Map Lights
Fold Down Rear Seat
Child-Proof Locks
If you need the VIN number, I can send it privately. The mileage is now at 104,649. There are five very small scratches on the driver's side and one pinhead sized dent, probably from a rock. I didn't see any other defects. This vehicle is a smoker's car. The interior could use a new set of floormats. My wife's heels have finally put a hole in the driver's mat. The only repair is a front passenger power window. I forced the old one down during an ice storm. I think that I have revealed all that I know.
Richard
I'm not a bit surprised. The "Dirty Jobs" show illustrates this fairly well.
That brings to mind another thought. In 6 months the 2011 Explorers will be out and there will be big reductions on 2010s...brand new ones. My guess, is if he waits, he will get a new one for less than the slightly used one.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Nicely done. Risk and reward fascinate me. Buying real estate at the right time can be rewarding, buying at the wrong time can be a disaster. If you came through it and can retire nicely that is great.
It's unfortunate that you like to have a new car so frequently, however you could have had worse vices, like losing it at the crap table. As long as you enjoy your new cars, seems you did fine. Thanks for sharing.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Excellent point...I will always be present if my wife makes a major purchase, and she will be present if I make a major purchase.
Once I was looking at cars and the salesman asked if I was ready to buy. I said, my wife has to come in and look at it. He said, "Can't you make decisions for yourself?". I didn't go back.
Another story. I have a friend and his first wife's Dodge Shadow broke down. She went across the street to the car dealer and bought a new car....and took it home. That was the final straw and why she became the ex.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Passenger Side Air Bag
Reclining Seats
Compact Disc Player
Power Brakes
Power Windows
Compact disc Player should add a few hundred :P
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
That salesman must not have been married.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That was the new convertible if I remember the story right.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Richard
Richard
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Richard
Richard
Richard
I found this internet price for a new EB 2009 Explorer;
2009 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer SUV
Time to buy a new 2009 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer SUV? It is important to do your research and know facts like the internet pricing which is $30,512.00, cash rebates and MSRP price of $32,925.00 before going to the dealership in order to get a the best deal possible. Details like a basic warranty of 3 yr. / 36k mi, and a fuel economy rating of 20 hwy / 13 city MPG will help you compare the '09 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer SUV to other car models.
new 2009 EB Explorer
Not sure when this appeared. It might mean the brand new Ex might cost only $2000 more. Maybe even less if you found a 2009 still on a lot somewhere (might be lemon yellow though if still there).
The other thing I forgot to calculate is for the extra amount, you will be covered by the warranty for at least one more year.
Actually another thought, the 4WD will be worth more and will be easier to sell at trade in time.
And, you did see the mileage; rating of 20 hwy / 13 city MPG . Gas is going up again.
Sincerely,
S.A.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
The story also detailed another Toyota owner who's 2001 Avalon had a mysterious brake failure.
This makes me wonder how long this stuff has been going on. Are the 2003s included in Toyota's recall? Certainly the 2001s are not. I also wonder if the brake and/or throttle systems from those previous years are similar to the current problem systems.
I fear that Toyota's problems may be just beginning.
Oh, an as an added insult CNN is misspelling Toyota as "Toyoda" in their scroll.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Now there's a term we haven't seen around here for awhile.
CNN is misspelling Toyota as "Toyoda" in their scroll.
They were probably referring to Toyota's president, who's name is Akio Toyoda.
Not in the Sunbelt, where buyers are reluctant to pay for a feature that they rarely need. I haven't heard Richard say that he's sorry that he didn't get 4WD on his current truck or that he wants it on his next truck.