The Silverado crew is accepted better but still thought off as blue collar, even though it's a 40-k list truck.
I think that's kinda odd that people rag on your truck! Now what other people think isn't going to change what I buy, but I was actually surprised at how many compliments my '85 Silverado gets! To me it's just a truck. I use it to haul firewood, take stuff to the dump, Home Depot runs, etc. I had been hauling dirt with it too until I found out a cubic yard of dirt weighs about 2700-2800 pounds...NOT something I should be putting in a half-ton truck! :surprise:
But still, I get compliments on it from time to time. And my friends think it's cool. Here's an old pic that someone took of my Granddad soon after he bought it. Maybe people notice it more because it's two-toned and sticks out more? And yeah, it's old but it's not THAT old. I still see these things around on a regular basis, so spotting one isn't like spotting the one remaining DeSoto Adventurer that still has its fuel injection system intact! :P
1999 LS 4WD 2Dr. I had problems with everything - starting from powertrain, suspension, brakes to all electrical components. I understand that my Blazer isn't representative of GM quality. But that's not the point of this discussion. We're talking styling here.
When I said some GM vehicles felt cheap, I didn't want to mean that GM wasn't improving. But it's hard to accept that Malibu's interior is at par with Accord's - even Edmund's reviewers won't buy that. Check the reviews. You can call this PR machine and claim that Honda has bribed Edmund's reviewers - but that won't help. I go to autoshows every year and I don't think Edmund's reviewers are parts of Honda's PR machine. Even Hyundais now look upscale compared to GM vehicles.
Bottomline - GM can't take any consumer for granted (with the exception of a handful diehard fans) when competition is so fierce. Edmunds still complains about Corvette's interior and they have been complaining all along - it's a shame that GM doesn't take good care of such high-value nameplates.
I can actually remember when the '57 Chevy came out.
I know by the time I was in middle school in the early 60s, the '55-'57 Chevys were already prized as great used cars, and great lookers also.
My mother bought a '55 Chevy new. She sold it in 1961 to my uncle, who in turn passed it on to his son (my cousin). The last I remember seeing it was in 1964.
I can't speak personally about the Honda auto tranny problems, as I've never owned a Honda.
But regarding Toyota Camrys, I have two (one of which is a 5-speed auto just over a year old), and I haven't had a single problem with the trannies (or anything else for that matter, except for some barely perceptible "sticking" in the steering on the older Camry in hard left turns).
As I've said before, any "woes" or "problems and solutions" boards here on Edmunds are by their very nature going to draw the complainers, whether they have real or perceived problems. The Edmunds' hosts have stated as much themselves.
GM will offer longer warranties!!! Finally!!! Also, fleet sales (as a percentage of total sales) is down!!! GM is finally doing something. Better late than never. To borrow from George W's language, GM needs to "stay the course". I would suggest that GM managers start reading Edmund's reviews as well and do something to get better reviews.
>As I've said before, any "woes" or "problems and solutions" boards here on Edmunds are by their very nature going to draw the complainers, whether they have real or perceived problems.
I see. If they're stating their Toyota doesn't work right their complainers or making it up. If they complain their GM didn't work right, it's just another example. LOL
I've noticed when the Accords had lots of problems on the discussions there were people quick to call them fakes. Same happened in this camry woes discussion.
Edmunds still complains about Corvette's interior and they have been complaining all along - it's a shame that GM doesn't take good care of such high-value nameplates.
GM has been making the Corvette the exact same way for more than 50 years. The concept has always been to provide exemplary performance at a relatively bargain price that the working car buff can afford.
This has also always meant that the Corvette was not necessarily as pretty inside and out as many other sports car brands. This does not matter to the Vette fan, because they are satisfied with the fact that Vette will outdrive the other sports cars, in spite the fact that many costs several times more than a Vette.
The Edmunds' complaints simply reflect the modern trend of people with money but no passion for driving. To these people a Porsche or a Ferrari are good for two reasons: the name plate and the leather interior. (Not to say there are no car lovers buying these fine machines. But there are many who buy them only for status.)
Frankly, given the preferences you show in your many posts, I would be disappointed if Chevrolet made a Vette you like. That would mean Chevrolet moved from making a machine machine lovers love to something status seekers want. Never been the Vette way and never should be.
I didn't say they're imagining their problems. Some appear to have very legitimate problems. Others have perceived problems, like complaining that their trannies downshift one or two gears when ascending grades with the cruise on. The horror! As I said before, these are 4-cylinder cars with 5-speed trannies, what do you expect? (It's not a 427 Chevy.)
Then there's a third class - paranoid - that is, they might have or eventually get the problems.
I'll rephrase my statement: As I've said before, any "woes" or "problems and solutions" boards here on Edmunds are by their very nature going to draw a disproportionate number of people with problems, whether they are real or perceived. The Edmunds' hosts have stated as much themselves.
Let's see what JD Powers and CR have to say when the surveys come out before we rush to judgment.
The basic complaint is that the Corvette's interior is too chintzy for a $45,000 sports car. They're not saying it should be turned into a bordello. How about an STS-like interior, at least as far as the seats and door trim are concerned?
But a top Honda official on Thursday gave naysayers a little more reason to doubt that hybrids are part of the long-term solution to kicking America's gas habit.
Honda may cut production of its Accord Hybrid after seeing weaker-than-expected sales in its first four months on the market, said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of Honda Motor Co.'s U.S. sales arm.
"We've had to reevaluate our position," Colliver said. "It's having a hard time in the market."
I think the Accord Hybrid's problem is that the Accord is long in the tooth. If they offered the coupe in a hybrid, I'd be in one, already. But the 4-door is just boring.
Yes, I know they traded MPG for more HP, unlike the Prius or Camry approach. Still, tog et over 30 mpg with a reasonably sporty drive, is pretty good. If only it were sportier.
If Honda is giving away Accord Hybrids, maybe now is the time for me to score one.
Given that at $45k the Vette outperforms cars that sell for $160k, what exactly do you recommend GM do?
Sure, GM could up the interior ante. But that means upping the price. And going further away from what the Vette stands for.
Or are you saying GM ought to lose money tricking out the interior of a car it cannot even keep in stock?
People who buy Vettes get the value from their expense every time they start the engine. Frankly, I prefer the simple interior over and STS interior. The only thing I want is a Vette with no leather inside.
I seriously doubt it would cost much more to put in a nicer interior (compared to the price of the car). And if cloth were made available, it might even be cheaper.
The problem with the Accord Hybrid is that the market has spoken quite clearly: it wants fuel economy ahead of performance. Therefore, a V6 hybrid (and top of the line) model doesn't make sense in this context. Honda should have mated the 4-cylinder with the electric motor, as Toyota did with the Camry.
Camry Hybrid is selling very well - and that means Accord Hybrid needs some design changes. It would be premature to conclude that hybrids won't sell.
Saturn would launch hybrids as well. If Saturn can keep the price right and offer a longer powertrain warranty (at least 5 years/ 60000 miles), Saturn would be in hybrid business as well. VUE hybrid's price seems attractive - but it doesn't offer 40 mpg like the new Camry Hybrid. So, it's difficult to say what would happen.
I wish GM luck - I wish GM builds a lovely s**y Chevy Colorado hybrid that would offer greeeeeeaaaaaaaat MPG. And, a lovely Colorado Hybrid would surely make Toyota retool its Tacoma plants
The next VUE (which will probably be on sale next year) will be avaliable with both the high value hybrid in the VUE and the new dual phase hybrid.
No SUV hybrid gets 40 mpgs, so I am not sure what your point is. Anyone who buys an SUV knows they will give up mileage to get additional storage, etc.
The dual phase hybrid will be available in autos as well.
Anyone who buys an SUV knows they will give up mileage to get additional storage, etc.
Well, any rational person who buys and SUV is going to know that. But how many times have we heard of someone buying a big SUV and then complaining about the fuel economy? :confuse: A few years back one of my cousins traded a 2000 Intrepid in on a 2002-03 Durango with the 4.7, and was shocked at how much it guzzled! C'mon, it's posted right on the window sticker!
210delray: I'll rephrase my statement: As I've said before, any "woes" or "problems and solutions" boards here on Edmunds are by their very nature going to draw a disproportionate number of people with problems, whether they are real or perceived. The Edmunds' hosts have stated as much themselves.
Also remember that purchasers of all vehicles are not represented equally on these boards.
210delray: Let's see what JD Powers and CR have to say when the surveys come out before we rush to judgment.
No, please remember, they are on the payroll of Honda and Toyota, and salivate with glee over the prospect of GM's demise, so even if GM made a vehicle that got 80 mpg, did 0-60 in six seconds, had the build quality of a Lexus and sold for $20,000, they would still rate it below a Camry...
Just because the Corvette doesn't 'measure up' with the quality of the interior with the rest of its class (or even if you or I may not buy a Corvette due to perceived difficiencies in the interior) is completely immaterial
The fact is that Chevy has NO problem selling every Corvette they can crank out. With no discounts. Seems as GM KNOWS what is needed to sell Corvettes and they meet (and exceed) the expectations of that market. If that means the Corvette doesn't have a 'world-class' (or even up par) interior, so what? It's only when (if) they started losing sales that it would be an issue.
I say that the Corvette is one of the things GM does RIGHT. Know a market, and then build a car FOR that market.
No, please remember, they are on the payroll of Honda and Toyota, and salivate with glee over the prospect of GM's demise, so even if GM made a vehicle that got 80 mpg, did 0-60 in six seconds, had the build quality of a Lexus and sold for $20,000, they would still rate it below a Camry... -end quote-
So you can back up the statement that JD and CR on the payroll of Honda and Toyota? Where is the evidence to back up such a statement? Accusations seem to fly around these forums which can not be substantiated. I would think twice before posting accusing someone of criminal activity unless willing to back it with some proof in a court of law. This goes beyond simply disagreeing with how good the data is, or how fair some analysis of a car is your view. -Loren
Ok, I'll concede the point. I've not even sat in ANY Corvette, let alone driven one. So, I'd really at least have to look at the current Corvette's interior to make my own judgment.
GM sould have spent a few more dollars on the vette interior. They did put the money into the drivetrain but another $500 in the interior would have been great.
The problem with the Accord Hybrid is that the market has spoken quite clearly: it wants fuel economy ahead of performance.
Yes and they should have made it look different. Much like performance lovers (want a sharp car) hybrid buyers want others to know that they are buying hybrids and doing the right thing.
Camry Hybrid is selling very well - and that means Accord Hybrid needs some design changes. It would be premature to conclude that hybrids won't sell.
The Camry is a 4 cyl. hybrid. That is why it is selling well. Those that care about economy enough to spend the big bucks want the most economy possible, ie the 4 cyl hybrid. There are few blah, mid sized sedan buyers that want to spend the big bucks to get a bit more performance and a bit more MPG.
Saturn would launch hybrids as well. If Saturn can keep the price right and offer a longer powertrain warranty (at least 5 years/ 60000 miles), Saturn would be in hybrid business as well. VUE hybrid's price seems attractive - but it doesn't offer 40 mpg like the new Camry Hybrid. So, it's difficult to say what would happen.
The C4 interior was a little on the cheaper looking side, but the C5 and C6 are fine. Like others have said, this is a lot of car for the money. A real drivers car.
General Motors today announced the best warranty of any full-line automaker, with coverage up to 100,000 miles or five years across its entire 2007 car and light-duty truck lineup in the United States and Canada, reflecting its success in dramatically improving the quality and durability of its vehicles.
GM’s new 100,000 Mile Warranty coverage is a fully transferable five-year, 100,000-mile powertrain limited warranty with no deductible. GM also has decided to expand its roadside assistance and courtesy transportation programs to match the powertrain warranty term. Altogether, it’s the best coverage in the auto industry.
GM tracks vehicle quality several ways, including analyzing warranty visits and the results of 10 million customer surveys each year, and studying the quality surveys of several independent organizations. GM has made significant progress on all fronts:
Warranty repairs at dealers have decreased 40 percent during the past five years. Two GM brands, Buick and Cadillac, placed in the top five in the J.D. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study released last month. GM swept the large pickup segment, placed 11 models in the top three of their segments and had two models top their segments in the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study released earlier this year. In the Strategic Vision 2006 Total Quality Index Study, five GM models topped their segments – more wins than any other manufacturer for the second consecutive year. GM dealers also rank among the leaders in the most recent J.D. Power and Associates Consumer Service Index study, which measures customer satisfaction among new vehicle owners with the dealer service department during the first three years of vehicle ownership. GM’s Buick brand ranked second in the American Customer Satisfaction Index study released last month, administered by the University of Michigan's National Quality Research Center .
Well, I'm skeptical about the new VUE hybrid because the MPG numbers are very close to that of 2WD CR-V (23-29 MPG for current model, 24-30 MPG (?) for the new model). 2WD CR-V costs less and is equipped with standard ABS, stability control, curtain airbags, CD player (IPod input for the 2007 model). A similarly equipped hybrid VUE would cost at least $3000 more and will get just about 3 more MPG. Plus lighter CR-V is peppier. Hybrid models need to provide at least 8-10 MPG, which is true in case of Camry Hybrid and that's why it's selling well. Still, it's good that GM is taking a step in the right direction.
Well, this won't help me. I don't drive more than 10,000 miles a year - so, Toyota-Honda-Nissan's 5 years/ 60000 miles powertrain warranty is as good. It's a shame that GM didn't increase the 3 year/ 36000 mile bumper-to-bumper coverage.
A short-circuited turn signal switch, dysfunctional power mirror or a broken front-wheel bearing would still cost me (I had all these problems with my Blazer on top of the powertrain problems). And, most of the problems happened right after my 5 year GM major guard plan expired. So, I still have no reason to look back. Possibly, those who drive a lot everyday would consider this extra warranty.
A 7 year/ 100,000 mile powertrain warranty would have been useful. This is a BIG JOKE.
Saturn would launch hybrids as well. If Saturn can keep the price right and offer a longer powertrain warranty (at least 5 years/ 60000 miles), Saturn would be in hybrid business as well. VUE hybrid's price seems attractive - but it doesn't offer 40 mpg like the new Camry Hybrid. So, it's difficult to say what would happen.
A 7 year/ 100,000 mile powertrain warranty would have been useful. This is a BIG JOKE.
Well at least you agree it will help sell cars. Strange how in one sentence you say it looks good but in the next post, after it is announced they did better, it is a joke
the talk about what GM needs to do is "if only, if only they'd increase the warranty, then their cars would be so much more competitive with the others."
Now they've done it and what's the first thing someone has to say is my 1986 X mobile that I didn't change the oil in and beat to death had the transmission fail, etc., etc., etc. Exactly what I've said before; no matter what they do, some people won't be happy.
A 5 year warranty is essential on new drivetrains like hybrid VUE and that's a bare minimum GM needs to offer.
Coming back to non-hybrid cars, 3 year/ 36000 mile warranty is not as good as competition. 5 year/ 60000 mile powertrain warranty is just as good. 5 year/ 100000 mile is as good as 5 year/ 60000 mile to many consumers and, therefore, isn't that big a deal.
Given GM's quality image, a warranty as good as Toyota warranty won't help GM boost its image in any manner. My suggestion to GM lovers: just wait for 0% APR and employee pricing deals!
" Exactly what I've said before; no matter what they do, some people won't be happy."
The size of the some is increasing every year. It's time to offer something competition doesn't offer. And, it's time to give Accord owners a reason to switch to Malibu. Telling that the 5 year powertrain warranty on new Malibu is a great reason sounds like a JOKE, doesn't it?
Perhaps if the Malibu was RWD, and looked more like it did in '68 or '69, people would be a little more inclined to buy one. Current model is an also ran, FWD car. -Loren
A few posts back I commented that 20% of new cars are leased and of the remaining 2/3 are kept at most 5 years.
So, almost 75% of new buyers get rid of their new car by the 5th year. Therefore 75% of new car buyers will be see this GM warranty as better than the competition. Of course Hyundai gives 10 years but 75% could still see Hyundai and GM comparable in powertain warranty.
As far as mileage the average per year mileage is over 15,000. So a little math and we get in 5 years, 75,000 miles. So a driver that goes above the average at perhaps 20,000 /year will still be satisfied at 5 years when he sells his car with 100k miles. The Honda/Toyota buyer would lose 40,000 miles of warrantied driving.
Yes a longer time period would be better, and if the competition steps up to the same warranty, GM would probably look at extending it? Yes Hondas/Toyotas 5/60k was good but GM just gave buyers another 40,000 miles of warrantied driving.
I feel very disappointed. GM is barely matching Toyota/ Honda/ Nissan/ Ford's 5 year coverage. Wagoner's money isn't where his mouth is - he knows that anything more than a 3 year/ 36K mile bumper-to-bumper coverage is too expensive. Hyundai at least puts its money where its mouth is and makes a convincing case for giving up Japanese nameplates. GM's 5 year coverage is too little too late. It would help GM sell lease-returned cars - that's all. It doesn't mean anything to someone who owns a Toyota/ Honda. I knew GM would do something like this. GM wants the bragging rights of 100K mile warranty. Silly GM. Customers can understand the difference between 10 year/ 100K coverage and 5 year/ 100K coverage. Dodge's 7 year/ 70K coverage was more attractive.
62 vettefp...don't bust your hump trying to explain and respond to lahiri...your wasteing your time. No matter what GM does, it won't satisfy lahiri.Every post made by lahiri is raggin on GM.
"Malibu needs to get a Jenny Craig makeover. It's too heavy. Even Cobalt weighs more than Accord/ Altima. Make the Malibu lighter, give it a more fun to drive 4-cyl engine, cut the fleet sales and boost warranty - that's all GM needs to do to get rid of 0% APR, employee pricing, cash rebates, etc. Oh! How about standard ABS as well?"
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I think that's kinda odd that people rag on your truck! Now what other people think isn't going to change what I buy, but I was actually surprised at how many compliments my '85 Silverado gets! To me it's just a truck. I use it to haul firewood, take stuff to the dump, Home Depot runs, etc. I had been hauling dirt with it too until I found out a cubic yard of dirt weighs about 2700-2800 pounds...NOT something I should be putting in a half-ton truck! :surprise:
But still, I get compliments on it from time to time. And my friends think it's cool. Here's an old pic that someone took of my Granddad soon after he bought it. Maybe people notice it more because it's two-toned and sticks out more? And yeah, it's old but it's not THAT old. I still see these things around on a regular basis, so spotting one isn't like spotting the one remaining DeSoto Adventurer that still has its fuel injection system intact! :P
When I said some GM vehicles felt cheap, I didn't want to mean that GM wasn't improving. But it's hard to accept that Malibu's interior is at par with Accord's - even Edmund's reviewers won't buy that. Check the reviews. You can call this PR machine and claim that Honda has bribed Edmund's reviewers - but that won't help. I go to autoshows every year and I don't think Edmund's reviewers are parts of Honda's PR machine. Even Hyundais now look upscale compared to GM vehicles.
Bottomline - GM can't take any consumer for granted (with the exception of a handful diehard fans) when competition is so fierce. Edmunds still complains about Corvette's interior and they have been complaining all along - it's a shame that GM doesn't take good care of such high-value nameplates.
I know by the time I was in middle school in the early 60s, the '55-'57 Chevys were already prized as great used cars, and great lookers also.
My mother bought a '55 Chevy new. She sold it in 1961 to my uncle, who in turn passed it on to his son (my cousin). The last I remember seeing it was in 1964.
Oh, how I wish we'd held on to that car!
But regarding Toyota Camrys, I have two (one of which is a 5-speed auto just over a year old), and I haven't had a single problem with the trannies (or anything else for that matter, except for some barely perceptible "sticking" in the steering on the older Camry in hard left turns).
As I've said before, any "woes" or "problems and solutions" boards here on Edmunds are by their very nature going to draw the complainers, whether they have real or perceived problems. The Edmunds' hosts have stated as much themselves.
GM will offer longer warranties!!! Finally!!! Also, fleet sales (as a percentage of total sales) is down!!! GM is finally doing something. Better late than never. To borrow from George W's language, GM needs to "stay the course". I would suggest that GM managers start reading Edmund's reviews as well and do something to get better reviews.
>As I've said before, any "woes" or "problems and solutions" boards here on Edmunds are by their very nature going to draw the complainers, whether they have real or perceived problems.
I see. If they're stating their Toyota doesn't work right their complainers or making it up. If they complain their GM didn't work right, it's just another example. LOL
I've noticed when the Accords had lots of problems on the discussions there were people quick to call them fakes. Same happened in this camry woes discussion.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
GM has been making the Corvette the exact same way for more than 50 years. The concept has always been to provide exemplary performance at a relatively bargain price that the working car buff can afford.
This has also always meant that the Corvette was not necessarily as pretty inside and out as many other sports car brands. This does not matter to the Vette fan, because they are satisfied with the fact that Vette will outdrive the other sports cars, in spite the fact that many costs several times more than a Vette.
The Edmunds' complaints simply reflect the modern trend of people with money but no passion for driving. To these people a Porsche or a Ferrari are good for two reasons: the name plate and the leather interior. (Not to say there are no car lovers buying these fine machines. But there are many who buy them only for status.)
Frankly, given the preferences you show in your many posts, I would be disappointed if Chevrolet made a Vette you like. That would mean Chevrolet moved from making a machine machine lovers love to something status seekers want. Never been the Vette way and never should be.
Then there's a third class - paranoid - that is, they might have or eventually get the problems.
I'll rephrase my statement: As I've said before, any "woes" or "problems and solutions" boards here on Edmunds are by their very nature going to draw a disproportionate number of people with problems, whether they are real or perceived. The Edmunds' hosts have stated as much themselves.
Let's see what JD Powers and CR have to say when the surveys come out before we rush to judgment.
Honda may cut production of its Accord Hybrid after seeing weaker-than-expected sales in its first four months on the market, said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of Honda Motor Co.'s U.S. sales arm.
"We've had to reevaluate our position," Colliver said. "It's having a hard time in the market."
I think the Accord Hybrid's problem is that the Accord is long in the tooth. If they offered the coupe in a hybrid, I'd be in one, already. But the 4-door is just boring.
Yes, I know they traded MPG for more HP, unlike the Prius or Camry approach. Still, tog et over 30 mpg with a reasonably sporty drive, is pretty good. If only it were sportier.
If Honda is giving away Accord Hybrids, maybe now is the time for me to score one.
Sure, GM could up the interior ante. But that means upping the price. And going further away from what the Vette stands for.
Or are you saying GM ought to lose money tricking out the interior of a car it cannot even keep in stock?
People who buy Vettes get the value from their expense every time they start the engine. Frankly, I prefer the simple interior over and STS interior. The only thing I want is a Vette with no leather inside.
Saturn would launch hybrids as well. If Saturn can keep the price right and offer a longer powertrain warranty (at least 5 years/ 60000 miles), Saturn would be in hybrid business as well. VUE hybrid's price seems attractive - but it doesn't offer 40 mpg like the new Camry Hybrid. So, it's difficult to say what would happen.
I wish GM luck - I wish GM builds a lovely s**y Chevy Colorado hybrid that would offer greeeeeeaaaaaaaat MPG. And, a lovely Colorado Hybrid would surely make Toyota retool its Tacoma plants
No SUV hybrid gets 40 mpgs, so I am not sure what your point is. Anyone who buys an SUV knows they will give up mileage to get additional storage, etc.
The dual phase hybrid will be available in autos as well.
Well, any rational person who buys and SUV is going to know that. But how many times have we heard of someone buying a big SUV and then complaining about the fuel economy? :confuse: A few years back one of my cousins traded a 2000 Intrepid in on a 2002-03 Durango with the 4.7, and was shocked at how much it guzzled! C'mon, it's posted right on the window sticker!
Also remember that purchasers of all vehicles are not represented equally on these boards.
210delray: Let's see what JD Powers and CR have to say when the surveys come out before we rush to judgment.
No, please remember, they are on the payroll of Honda and Toyota, and salivate with glee over the prospect of GM's demise, so even if GM made a vehicle that got 80 mpg, did 0-60 in six seconds, had the build quality of a Lexus and sold for $20,000, they would still rate it below a Camry...
Just because the Corvette doesn't 'measure up' with the quality of the interior with the rest of its class (or even if you or I may not buy a Corvette due to perceived difficiencies in the interior) is completely immaterial
The fact is that Chevy has NO problem selling every Corvette they can crank out. With no discounts. Seems as GM KNOWS what is needed to sell Corvettes and they meet (and exceed) the expectations of that market. If that means the Corvette doesn't have a 'world-class' (or even up par) interior, so what? It's only when (if) they started losing sales that it would be an issue.
I say that the Corvette is one of the things GM does RIGHT. Know a market, and then build a car FOR that market.
So you can back up the statement that JD and CR on the payroll of Honda and Toyota? Where is the evidence to back up such a statement? Accusations seem to fly around these forums which can not be substantiated. I would think twice before posting accusing someone of criminal activity unless willing to back it with some proof in a court of law. This goes beyond simply disagreeing with how good the data is, or how fair some analysis of a car is your view.
-Loren
Yes and they should have made it look different. Much like performance lovers (want a sharp car) hybrid buyers want others to know that they are buying hybrids and doing the right thing.
The Camry is a 4 cyl. hybrid. That is why it is selling well. Those that care about economy enough to spend the big bucks want the most economy possible, ie the 4 cyl hybrid. There are few blah, mid sized sedan buyers that want to spend the big bucks to get a bit more performance and a bit more MPG.
:shades:
So will we have Hyundai length warranties soon? Bet not.
-Loren
Well you got your warranty wish and then some.
Yes, the XLR interior is good.
-Loren
General Motors today announced the best warranty of any full-line automaker, with coverage up to 100,000 miles or five years across its entire 2007 car and light-duty truck lineup in the United States and Canada, reflecting its success in dramatically improving the quality and durability of its vehicles.
GM’s new 100,000 Mile Warranty coverage is a fully transferable five-year, 100,000-mile powertrain limited warranty with no deductible. GM also has decided to expand its roadside assistance and courtesy transportation programs to match the powertrain warranty term. Altogether, it’s the best coverage in the auto industry.
GM tracks vehicle quality several ways, including analyzing warranty visits and the results of 10 million customer surveys each year, and studying the quality surveys of several independent organizations. GM has made significant progress on all fronts:
Warranty repairs at dealers have decreased 40 percent during the past five years.
Two GM brands, Buick and Cadillac, placed in the top five in the J.D. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study released last month.
GM swept the large pickup segment, placed 11 models in the top three of their segments and had two models top their segments in the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study released earlier this year.
In the Strategic Vision 2006 Total Quality Index Study, five GM models topped their segments – more wins than any other manufacturer for the second consecutive year.
GM dealers also rank among the leaders in the most recent J.D. Power and Associates Consumer Service Index study, which measures customer satisfaction among new vehicle owners with the dealer service department during the first three years of vehicle ownership.
GM’s Buick brand ranked second in the American Customer Satisfaction Index study released last month, administered by the University of Michigan's National Quality Research Center .
A short-circuited turn signal switch, dysfunctional power mirror or a broken front-wheel bearing would still cost me (I had all these problems with my Blazer on top of the powertrain problems). And, most of the problems happened right after my 5 year GM major guard plan expired. So, I still have no reason to look back. Possibly, those who drive a lot everyday would consider this extra warranty.
A 7 year/ 100,000 mile powertrain warranty would have been useful. This is a BIG JOKE.
A 7 year/ 100,000 mile powertrain warranty would have been useful. This is a BIG JOKE.
Well at least you agree it will help sell cars. Strange how in one sentence you say it looks good but in the next post, after it is announced they did better, it is a joke
Now they've done it and what's the first thing someone has to say is my 1986 X mobile that I didn't change the oil in and beat to death had the transmission fail, etc., etc., etc. Exactly what I've said before; no matter what they do, some people won't be happy.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Coming back to non-hybrid cars, 3 year/ 36000 mile warranty is not as good as competition. 5 year/ 60000 mile powertrain warranty is just as good. 5 year/ 100000 mile is as good as 5 year/ 60000 mile to many consumers and, therefore, isn't that big a deal.
Given GM's quality image, a warranty as good as Toyota warranty won't help GM boost its image in any manner. My suggestion to GM lovers: just wait for 0% APR and employee pricing deals!
The size of the some is increasing every year. It's time to offer something competition doesn't offer. And, it's time to give Accord owners a reason to switch to Malibu. Telling that the 5 year powertrain warranty on new Malibu is a great reason sounds like a JOKE, doesn't it?
Please don't bring up memories of the '87 car. Time to move on.
Hope they make the Solstice Coupe. A little GM stylin' looking forward.
-Loren
-Loren
So, almost 75% of new buyers get rid of their new car by the 5th year. Therefore 75% of new car buyers will be see this GM warranty as better than the competition. Of course Hyundai gives 10 years but 75% could still see Hyundai and GM comparable in powertain warranty.
As far as mileage the average per year mileage is over 15,000. So a little math and we get in 5 years, 75,000 miles. So a driver that goes above the average at perhaps 20,000 /year will still be satisfied at 5 years when he sells his car with 100k miles. The Honda/Toyota buyer would lose 40,000 miles of warrantied driving.
Yes a longer time period would be better, and if the competition steps up to the same warranty, GM would probably look at extending it? Yes Hondas/Toyotas 5/60k was good but GM just gave buyers another 40,000 miles of warrantied driving.
Actually I don't think Malibu ever directly competed with Acord. It's between Civic and Accord.
It seems that the extended warranty is bothering you. This is what people said they wanted; it's here!!!
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I wonder if customers can tell the difference between 60,000 miles and 100,000 miles?
Of course GM wants bragging rights. That is what competition is about.
That's wrong. There's a 4-year/48 K Mi on Cadillac, Buick, Saab, and Hummer.
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Nooooo. Can't be. Ya mean he's just here trolling?
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lahiri, "Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread" #6742, 6 Sep 2006 9:07 am
Lahiri asked for more warranty. A Cobalt weighs more than an Accord?
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