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I didn't count on it in a 2007 model either but there you go.
The CTS has nothing to do with Asian car styling at all. Never said it did. The original may be a best rendition of the Arts & Science, but it is a wait and see, since I have yet to see one in the metal. Now I did say that. If you wish, I could list some American cars designed off of Asian designs. Ever heard of an Infinity J car, and a Ford Taurus, or rental car fame? Most of the knock-offs are from Euro designs, though some look diluted, as in a Japan knock-off of the Euro car, then copied in part by the American brand. Of course you have designs which are original, like the CTS, and Chrysler 300. And then there is the Monte Carlo, which I guarantee you was no knock-off of any Japan or Euro make.
If you really want to do a one on one with Honda vs, GM designs, then go for it. Take a Solstice and Honda S2000 to the track, being sure to let real drivers do the run. I think they would quickly let ya know which one is the real deal. There simply is nothing which compares. Go back in time to CVCC engines for clean air, Prelude tech advances, and then to today, as a Civic compared to Cobalt. Trust me, don't get into this one or one argument, and stick with what GM is doing or can do win the survival game, then thrive.
Small to mid-size cars, and minivan one on one, just don't go there, it ain't looking like it is fair.
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What is REALLY UNCOOL is worrying about what others think of you just because of what car you like. If you like Buicks and Caddies, then buy one and to heck what everybody else thinks! If they don't like what you drive, maybe they should make the payments on your next Camcord lemming-mobile! C'mon! You're an adult and not in high school anymore! Heck if you're neighbors are such yuppie idiots, I'd love to move there and come thundering down the street in a 1958 Buick Limited four-door hardtop or a 1957 Mercury Turnpike Cruiser.
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Saturn is GM SUVs now.
Is Saturn, Saturn now?
What is your take on current Saturn as a division, less the plastic models of days-gone-bye?
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The side profile (especially the window shape) is lifted directly from the Acura TL.
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Silverado SS. A guy down the road from me has one.
I had a memorable experience once, renting a Pontiac Grand Prix. It was the roughest, noisiest, most uncomfortable ride I can remember. But that was a couple of days ago, and things are better over at Pontiac these days.
Wouldn't it be great if the SS badged were reserved for cars that can do the 1/4 in 14 flat or maybe 14.50 or less? Treat the name with some reverance.
As per the numbers, I think the term you're looking for is "font." You don't like the font used for the numbers on the instrument panel.
I would assume the turbo HHR will run something like 14.3 or 4 in the 1/4 mile, since the same engine in the turbo Solstice/Sky runs 14 flat.
I find the interior of the A4 to be quite dull and I definitely dont see it as being better than the Lucerne. The A6 dash is a little more high end but I dont like the squareness of the design.
What is your problem with the numbers on the Lucerne's climate control?
Just reading the press release about the vehicle will answer some of your questions.
I thought Saturn's image was about service, plastic panels, and no-haggle pricing. Ooops! - that was the previous flavor of the month advertising image.
The fact that we are still discussing what each GM brand stands for after all these years of discussions indicates that the brand [non]differentiation isn't working.
What was the first?
I do too. Cabs. Bwahaha! :P
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SS is for Chevy. GXP is for Pontiac. Redline is for Saturn. Alpha is for Hummer. Its pretty simple actually.
actually "we" arent discussing brand differentiation. You are. Anyone with any common sense can figure out the difference between the brands, unless that person is blind of course. Those who cant see the vehicles would be excused.
Saturn hasnt introduced a new model with plastic panels since 2003.
BTW, the no haggle pricing is still around in case you missed it. Not quite "flavor of the month advertising image" as you stated.
Hope I didnt put any words in your mouth.
There have been myriad discussions for on this board about the images and intent of each GM brand. Perhaps you were out during those discussions. This is part of GM, and their "offensive". Very pertinent to this board.
Check out the Autoweek quote. GM has recently changed its flavor for Saturn. Don't know why you can't get the point that Saturn's image is fading from the original one to a new one. Meanwhile we still try to figure out what 5++ divisions are meant for as GM jiggers its intent.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070801/FREE/70730018/1024/L- ATESTNEWS
"It might be a slight exaggeration to say that Saturn is Opel's U.S. brand."
"But GM is clearly sticking with its strategy to give Saturn a European flavor."
That could work on the Cadillacs.
Take it easy. I didn't say it was a bad car but I will say it's not in the same league as the M3. I also did not mention it repeatedly. Just once was enough.
You're the only self proclaimed expert here. I'm just an enthusiast.
Have you found that post of me praising Toyota yet?
Look, the HHR is a cute little van, and it can look sporty and I suppose you can hop it up, but a Super Sport car, it is not. If GM has to reach down to vans for SS models, they are in trouble deep. Instead of trying to make an HHR into a sports car, how about fully developing the Solstice and Sky models. You know there is no roll bar, and not a place in which to install one. Ever read the Edmund's take on the Solstice ? And they left out some things, like the bathtub effect, and no usable arm rest. Yes they sell; on looks no doubt. You do know the Miata is still selling, on its merits, no doubt.
No, I am not going to read up on the HHR SS. Anyone foolish enough to pay excessive dollar for a nice economy, cute and functional car, somehow transformed into Superman HHR, is just throwing money away. When I pay more, I move on the another grade of auto. That said, people can burn money, if they so wish, I don't actually care.
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But even if you don't want to be conformist, the problem with unpopular cars is that the resale value suffers when you try to sell it. The Asian and European makes are super popular in the used car market here, the domestics don't do nearly as well (unless you have 1965 Mustang or something, pretty hot!)
Unless you drag race on a regular basis the wheel hop wasnt an issue.
What is really needed these days are SS labels on UPS trucks, fire trucks, ambalances, golf carts..... the sky is the limit.... oh doh, the Sky will be an SS, I meant the sky above us all, you know, the open space above the roof.
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As for the CTS for 2008, better styling is to be determined. More power is something nice, but the 3.6V6 should have been standard, or the price lowered from day one. If you mean more HP in the 3.6V6, that is nice, but the price is additional, is it not? The interior has to be better - yuppp!
The current transmission seems OK, and the new one seems just fine too, if it is like the Aura XR 6 sp, which seems to be just fine. A wider track you say, well then OK.
We'll see what it looks like. Different is not nessarily better or worse. Same with wider is not always better, as it depends on where you drive and park the car. The CTS is a foot longer than a BMW3, as in so what? By the size and buy the pound it beats the Bimmer - yea... and so does the DTS.
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Um... no. What's simple is that you'd never have to worry about wheel hop in an M5 or an M3. Wheel hop is the domain of high school hot rods, not $50,000 sport sedans. That's why caddies are not yet the equal of BMWs in image or anything else.
Did you find my Toyota post yet?
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Where is the 2008 Cobalt SS ?
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