2010 Hyundai Veracruz

nxs138

The way I look at torque is as follows: my current car has gobs of torque starting at very low RPMs. On roadtrips, I usually never have to get out of 6th gear, even going up hills, and I attribute that mostly to the high torque. In my wife's car, it's the other way around: it's a low torque engine, so the engine downshifts constantly trying to get up hills. So it's not as pleasurable going on long trips with her car since the engine needs to be in the higher RPM curve to take advantage of the power.

hvcowner

Oops - - so sorry! Somehow I missed it (not sure how - - I usually read everything here with great enthusiasm).

Aologies for the duplication.

palmerd

Thanks. This helps a lot. I just wanted to be sure that the Outlook engine can handle the weight. It just seems that to be 500 pounds heavier than everybody else they would have put in a bigger engine. But it seems that the engine they have can easily handle the haul.

Now I just have to decide whether I want the Outlook or the Veracruz. It is a difficult decision because I love the speed of the Veracruz being a lighter vehicle, exterior body style is great. But I love the room in the Outlook and the interior features. It's just very heavy. It's not that the Outlook has more standard features becuase it seems that the Veracruz has more, but the Outook's placement of items and the look of what they do have is very well placed. I like that.

They both are priced about the same which was very interesting to me being that VC was smaller (less interior room). It's hard to compete with the Outlook that is so much more roomier. But the VC's bigger engine probably makes up for it.

I guess you can see my dilemma. I've test drove both. I love them both in different ways. I don't know which to chose yet......

arumage

When loaded, the Outlook is still about $1.2k higher than the Veracruz ($1.7k if you want the captain's chairs). The Veracruz also has proximity key system for truly keyless start and entry, memory pedals and steering wheel, lit step-plates, puddle lamps, much more powerful stereo, etc. The Acadia carries a few more options than the Outlook, making it a bit of a better comparison. If anyone wants nav right now, the Outlook has it.

palmerd

Check this out. when I check their respective websites, it says that the VC has more legroom in the first row but in actuality the Outlook has much more room. How is this calculated??? The outlook seat goes back MUCH farther than the Veracruz...

arumage

I didn't think the Outlook had more legroom, but I did think it had a little bit more knee room around the steering wheel. Every manufacturer uses there own way of measuring legroom. I don't think there is any standard. The Veracruz has alot more room in the 2nd row though IMO, but less in the 3rd row. I guess it all depends on how much you plan on using the 3rd row.

nthe

" The sales person started at MSRP - - sheesh"

i can understand not wanting to pay sticker, but the vehicle had just come out, so of course the dealer is going to start at sticker on this one.

jg6

" The sales person started at MSRP - - sheesh"

i can understand not wanting to pay sticker, but the vehicle had just come out, so of course the dealer is going to start at sticker on this one.

Who cares where or what the dealer says?

If you do, then you need a lot of work in car purchasing. Don't let the dealer be in control!!

Fitzmall is selling the Veracruz $500 over dealer invoice.

I just bought a CX-9 for $200 under manufacturer invoice 3 weeks ago and they just came out. Did it take a little work? Of course, about 30 minutes of emailing and faxing. I had another quote right at manufacturers invoice pricing.

nthe

what i was saying is don't act surprised by a dealer asking for msrp, or close to it, when a vehicle is brand new. yes, you can get a better price, but dealers generally won't give it to you right off the bat. that great what fitzmall is doing, but not everyone is close to maryland or florida.

nthe

"Fitzmall is selling the Veracruz $500 over dealer invoice. "

i just sold my dealerships first veracruz yesterday at a better price than this.

jg6

$500 over invoice not a bad price for the general public but I wouldn't pay even invoice if I wanted to buy one.

csmab

I have seen this color at the auto shows but can't seem to find it when you build a Veracruz on the website. Is this the dark bronze? It looks a lot more gray than bronze. Has anyone seen a dark bronze at a dealer yet? Look at the dark bronze photo in the Veracruz gallery section of their website. I like this color but I wonder if it was a one off for the auto show circuit.

joe97

You're correct

doanej

"$500 over invoice not a bad price for the general public but I wouldn't pay even invoice if I wanted to buy one. "

let me quess, you would want it at 3K below invoice?

eadlertx

To nthe. In response to message #518, where are you located?

jg6

No just a couple hundred under invoice unless there are other incentives.......

simagic

Does anyone know if the Verecruz "limited" will be on display at the N.Y. car show this weekend????

stever

All the coverage seems to be about the Genesis - if no one in here knows, you could try asking in the 2007 Auto Show Season Meet Ups! discussion and see if anyone spotted it.

I don't see it listed in the Inside Line Guide to the 2007 New York Auto Show,

nthe

eadlertx,

birmingham, alabama

hvcowner

Hey, no worries. I got the vehicle for $350 over dealer invoice (way under msrp), and I was happy with that. I just didn't think they'd start off with the negotiations that high . . .but I only buy a new car once every 10 years so you'll have to forgive me .

>>what i was saying is don't act surprised by a dealer asking for msrp, or close to it, when a vehicle is brand new. yes, you can get a better price, but dealers generally won't give it to you right off the bat. that great what fitzmall is doing, but not everyone is close to maryland or florida.

hvcowner

Yeah!! It finally arrived .

The drive home was great. On the plus side so far:

QUIET. Super, super quiet.
Shifting is very smooth as is the ride.
Easy, very intuitive controls
Driver's seat positions well. I'm short (five foot), and find that a challenge.
Cloth seats are very soft feeling. I didn't get to see the cloth seats before I bought so I'm happy they aren't bad. I hated the Honda Pilot seat material.

On the negative:

Steering is NOT sporty at all. But it is nice and easy. It feels like power steering. A bit "floaty" feeling to me.

So, if anyone has any questions, feel free to shoot them my way, and I'll try to help .

Anita

joe97

For those interested, it's been reported coming this summer.

tidester

it's been reported coming this summer.

By whom?

tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper

arumage

There is some very good forum speculation on this. Some of the people stating this haven't been wrong yet, but that's far from official. I'm not sure when, officially, it will come out, but here's some good evidence that it's not too far off.

A little evidence

Hyundai Mobis is the current overseas version. LG/Hyundai is speculated to be the NA version.

nthe

hvcowner,

did you expect a sports suspension on a big suv?

arumage

Mazda offers a pretty sporty suspension for the CX-9 at the expense of ride quality, especially with the 20" wheels on the grand touring model. I think the Veracruz does a pretty good job of blending both performance and comfort together.

tidester

Thanks, arumage. However, that blurb was written over two years ago so it doesn't pin down the introduction date with much accuracy.

tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper

arumage

I didn't say I knew when. I just said I knew how. :P

For all I know, I could be some time in 2008 when the Genesis comes out before the rest of the lineup has nav. Around the forum circle, Joe97's date is what is being quoted though. :shades:

tidester

I didn't say I knew when.

That's right. It was Joe97 who suggested it would be this summer.

tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper

hvcowner

Well, I drove the Mazda CX-9, and it was very sporty feeling to me after 8 years of driving a Dodge Durango!

But I like the way the Veracruz drives . . .but if I didn't have kids to haul around I'd definitely be the owner of a sports sedan. Or a Mazda Miata :shades:

arumage

The CX-9's long rear doors scare me. I don't think I'll park near a CX-9 owner with kids. :P

sssfegy

Did you ever open the doors on the CX9? When you open the rear door at ANY angle, it stays there!! Meaning it's not going to do like the rest were the door will swing all the way if you don't hold it, or if you are on a hill and open the driver or rear door(again human control). Also did you notice that when fully open, it does not extend further than the front?
How about the difference between a stiff ride and an uncomfortable ride? Oh sorry that's a question for german car drivers, please neglect! :P

arumage

I test drove the CX-9. Since when are kids (or some adults) considerate to the cars near to them. I understand what you are saying, but the doors still open very wide. The doors are human controlled, but the driver is still held accountable for damage caused by his/her car. I have a 2000 Dodge Intrepid so I totally understand the implications of wide doors. The ride in the CX-9 is stiff on good pavement, which is not a bad thing, but can become slighty uncomfortable on rough pavement. The 18" wheels are more comfortable than the 20" wheels though. It's still a well made vehicle, and the looks are stunning... but with the odd ways I have to contort myself to get in and out, the slightly confining driver's seat, and the very poor 3rd row headroom, I've decided to look elsewhere. To each his/her own.

sssfegy

Using the same sense , no body teaches their kids to open the doors considerably, so they usually "push" the door, when you're in the back seat and do so, it will stop just were your finger stops(unlike your Intrepid in weight and engineering).
If you found the seat structure too confining for you, it did not fit your body structure period, good thing you did not buy it, but I trully would not go further on comfort when you are not at optimum positioning. I find it extremely comfortable(a hair better than my 01 A4), now that
I have a demo CX9, so it was easy for me when I drove the Veracruz to be able to tell how much different they both are, when you're used to european cars, active safety is at the top, so how much control you have is huge, and the difference was significant(wobbly steering, brakes, soft suspension,soft seat cushions,etc..). So like you said if looks,feel,fun factorand safety are high in your book go CX9, if value more important, go Veracruz great improvement over typical Hyundais. BTW, I will add a new link for CX9 vs Q7, since it's the only one that would hold its own against that beast! :P Ofcourse I mean performance!

arumage

It's not the seat that didn't fit me. I found the intrusion of the center console into the driver's side area a bit confining. Value is not the only reason the Veracruz is on top of my list right now. Entry and exit was better for the 2nd and third rows. Even though the CX-9 has more impressive legroom figures, every row was more comfortable in the Veracruz. The Veracruz has a more isolated ride than the CX-9. To be perfectly honest, I'd really like something in between the two. Safety is no better in the CX-9. It actually hasn't even been tested yet. In fact the Veracruz has a few safety feature that are not available in the CX-9. The Veracruz is also only about 0.2 seconds slower to 60 than the CX-9 and gets better gas mileage doing it. Check out Edmunds long term Q7. It's less than impressive for the money. The CX-9 and the Veracruz are both winners in my book. The CX-9 just isn't for me.

nthe

" when you're used to european cars, active safety is at the top, so how much control you have is huge, and the difference was significant(wobbly steering, brakes, soft suspension,soft seat cushions,etc..). So like you said if looks,feel,fun factorand safety are high in your book go CX9, if value more important, go Veracruz great improvement over typical Hyundais. BTW, I will add a new link for CX9 vs Q7, since it's the only one that would hold its own against that beast! Ofcourse I mean performance! "

since when is mazda (ford) a european car? LOL!

i've got news for you, the hp in the veracruz is identical to the cx9, so don't even try to tell me that the cx9 and veracruz don't compare to each other in performance matters.

winedogs

I hate to ask, but how many rows are you going to sit in? I will sit in one seat only. I don't think my kids will notice if the third row is not comfortable and I could care less if my in-laws are comfortable.

If the two front seats are comfortable, I am happy. Correction - if my wife is happy, I am happy!

arumage

I would like all my passengers to be comfortable, especially the ones in the 1st and 2nd rows. 3rd row comfort isn't quite as important, but I will certainly have adults back there from time to time. I don't really see the point of having a 3rd row if it's not comfortable to sit in. Personally, I'd be happy with a van (first vehicle was a 1988 Aerostar), but my wife is very anti-van. I suppose since it will be her primary vehicle, I had better get something she likes.

If only the 2 front seats mattered, I'd get a Miata. Then I'd put the rest of the money I saved into a CD or something. :P

sssfegy

"since when is mazda (ford) a european car? LOL! HP is the same!!"
LOL, A hint: Frankfurt,.., it is tough to reply to the rest without insulting your decision so I will stop here.

Mr. arumage, I would rather avoid or stop before an accident than hit the wall and see what happens.Active safety has never been tested by the government, so don't hold your breathe. Your last statement is exactly correct, it's not for you, you were not comfortable in it, so naturally it's disappointing, just FYI the Touareg and Q7 have a high center arm rest also for a reason, now you were not comfortable with it, does not make it uncomfortable for me, it's actually more comfortable than the Veracruz for ME! I can state the same about comfort in the other rows, I would never see myself in the 3rd row of the Veracruz because of the feel that I dropped down in a hole is very scary to me.
I also stated to be compared for perf. not reliability! I don't expect my A4 to cost me the same to run as an intrepid, the CX9 is Japaneese.
How about looks? :P I love the Veracruz from the "top" view!

toast

I thought the Veracruz would be my next vehicle. I actually came close to ordering a customized VERACRZ license plate prior to seeing the car in person.

Now after a pair of test drives and more exhaustive research I have decided against it. The Lexus comparisons swayed me into the showroom but the second tier dealership network came up woefully short of what you get from a Lexus or other premium dealer. One of the vehicles I drove looked more like a used car with several scuffs and far from the pristine condition I anticipated. The sales rep’s primary language was not English and his product knowledge matched his mastery of the language.

The Veracruz was not as quiet and isolated as I had expected. The seats were also not as comfortable as I would have liked in that they came up a little short for my 6’2” frame. I concluded that on an extended jaunt my joints may become disjointed. At full throttle I experienced some torque steer. Other than these concerns I thought the Veracruz still presented a compelling value …

Until I looked at the residual values: On a 27 month lease a Veracruz Ltd w/Ultimate pkg has an MSRP of $37,770, Invoice $35,009, Edmunds TMV of $37,770 the residual value is a meager 56% or $20,160.

If you compare this to an Acura MDX/tech pkg on a 36 month lease the MSRP is $44,165, Invoice $40,103, Edmunds TMV of $42,649 the residual is 67% or $29,590.

Although the MDX costs $4,879 more than the Veracruz using the TMV, at the end of 3 years the MDX is worth $9,430 more than the Veracruz. Even if you could get the Veracruz at invoice and paid MSRP for the MDX you would still be $300 in the hole. This is not an apples to apples comparison because of the term difference; my guess is the Veracruz is worth quite a bit less using a 36 month residual.

The majority of people keep cars 3-5 years, if you keep a car for a long time the depreciation of the Veracruz will not be that big of a factor. However the majority of folks that can qualify for a MDX will be much better off (at least $4,551) using the analysis above.

The Veracruz will attract many folks because it is a great addition to the segment. However after 3 or 4 years of ownership a Veracruz owner will become painfully aware that they purchased a Hyundai and not a Lexus or Acura. Hyundai’s time will come with continued product refinement and the creation of a separate dealer network which will trigger higher residual values. Until then you are not getting the value Hyundai would like you to think you are.

arumage

I doubt you'll see a big difference in brake performance between the two given the similar weight and brake size. The CX-9 does enjoy less body roll though. That might help you a little in a quick swerve maneuver.

arumage

A true MDX comparison would take a loaded MDX with equalivent options minus navigation so $49.5 - $2k = $47.5. That's nearly $10k over the MSRP of a fully loaded Veracruz. I am fully aware that alot of the dealer network sucks though. I have heard some rumors that they've started an initiative to upgrade the dealer network given the addition of the upcoming Genesis sedan.

toast

If you go to a site called Truedelta.com they do a decent job of making apples to apples comparisons on vehicles like the Veracruz and MDX. The value differences when factoring in equipment are less than the $10k you suggest but I grant you that people looking to buy place different values on different equipment packages. I don't particularly care for a navigation system and would rather have the ELS sound system offered in the MDX. My point is regardless of up front prices a Hyundai owner can expect to get significantly less in terms of resale value until quality is a proven element and this takes years to establish as Honda and toyota both learned prior to becoming market leaders.

arumage

"The value differences when factoring in equipment are less than the $10k you suggest."

No they're not. Go to Acura's website and price it out for yourself. Compare apples to apples, and you'll find out. The optional Hyundai stereo is more powerful by 195 watts and has all the same features including 5.1 surround sound. I completely understand what you are saying though even though the difference will never equal up to $10k of resale value.

simagic

Well, I've been waiting awhile for the Verecruz to finally come out and I'm in the time of my life that I want all the bells and whistles on my vehicle. Apparently a Verecruz "limited" with the "ultimate" package seems to be something not easily obtainable. How disappointing. It would be nice if Hyundai "offered" this vehicle that you could actually get one. I guess in a few months or so it might be easier to find one. Hmmmmm.

arumage

Yeah, it seems like they loaded the market right now with GLS models and SE models, which makes sense since that will be their sales "bread and butter" so to speak, but it is disappointing when you can't find the model you yourself are most likely to buy.

mit23

Purchased my AWD SE last week at $300 over invoice. Had a couple bad experiences at the dealership, which shall go unnamed. They found the car in Iowa, 260 miles away, but the car had 760 miles on it when it arrived. It almost killed the deal, but cooler heads prevailed.

I have a question though. When off, the windshield wipers are very visible. They must be at least 6 to 8 inches from the bottom of the windshield. When on, the driver's side wiper only comes within 8 inches or so of the side of the windshield. It's almost within my view. I'm going to take in for service, but I was wondering if this is normal. I can't see how it could be.

arumage

Nope, that's not normal. Check out this picture.

mit23

Thanks for the reply. I don't think the service manager had a clue when I was trying to explain it to him. Also, my post should probably be under a general topic, but I couldn't figure out how.

pat

I moved them here for you. You may not have been on the last page if you couldn't find a post box.

Anyway, welcome to CarSpace and congrats on your new ride!