Thanks for that input cplyons. Sounds like a great product but I really want the factory installed, fully integrated solution. I have it in another vehicle and the call and answer buttons are built right into the steering wheel along with the stereo audio controls, the calling number appears right on my dash just below the speedo, the microphone is fully integrated into the car, the radio, cd player and bluetooth all work together. No extra gadgets, gizmos, switches, etc. And no need for someone to start messing around with my new car to get everything installed. Sure, any feature can be added to a vehicle as aftermarket, but I guess my point is that Hyundai should be a bit more aware that this is a feature people want (and in fact is standard in many entry level cars)and demonstrate they are responsive to those wants.
I'm also very pleased that Hyundai did not force me to overpay for an in-dash navigation system. These things add at least $1500-$2000 to the cost of a vehicle.
Like cplyons, I also bought the Garmin Nuvi 660 from PCNation for $520 total (there is no tax and shipping is free). This unit is much better than any in-dash navigation i've tested. It's updatable via the web, it can function as an mp3 player, picture viewer, bluetooth device, fm transmitter, etc. Most importantly, it calculates routes in seconds and has Garmin's excellent routing algorithm. It's also very light and sits comfortably on top of dash or on the windshield.
Some cons: if you're parking in some shady area you should hide the unit and the mount so people won't break your windshield to get the device. Also it takes about 30 seconds to connect to the satellite after you turn it on.
Hyundai should eventually offer navigation as part of an option package. But personally, I'd rather save $1500 and have a portable, updatable unit.
I'm also a proud owner of both a Veracruz and a Garmin 660. The portability option is great. Spent $700 a year ago for a unit that goes from car to car with ease. I own 2 mounting units for my Veracruz and Ridgeline. Sure beats spending $4K on 2 independent factory units. And keeping the Garmin up-to-date is as easy as connecting it to my computer via USB. While some of the cool factor is diminished (vs. a factory unit), it does everything I need it to do at a fraction of the price of a factory unit. By the way, the flat section of the VC's dashboard is a great place to mount the unit using temporary tape. It's visible and accessible for both front seat passengers.
Not to pile on, but one last word about the Garmin vs built in GPS/Bluetooth: Remember fifteen years ago or so, when high end automakers installed a hard wired cell phone in upper line cars? You see this albatross occasionally in nice used BMW and Mercedes of the era.
Seeing these great cars weighed down with obsolete technology is a good reminder that if we're talking about rapidly evolving technology (like GPS), portable/replaceable wins every time.
What will the state of the art in GPS units look like in five years? Not too much like the LG coming to the Veracruz in October, I would guess. In that scenario if you have a built in unit it could be a liability not an asset at trade in time...
What experience have the owners of cars with built-in nav systems had with routings from their units? I've had a Nuvi 670 for about 4 months now and am quite disappointed in its ability to get from point A to point B in the most efficient manner. Granted, it will eventually get you where you want to go. But most of the time when I know the best way to navigate, the 670 will send you by some other route. This happens using either the "fastest route" or "shortest route" option. Comments, please.
I could not disagree with you more. I have had an RX330 for the past 3 years and have not had a single problem with the built-in navigation system. The screen is larger than portable units, plus, the system is tied into the car so even if you lose the signal it knows how far you have traveled from the last point of contact. I also do not want to have to disconnect and hide my navigation system everytime I park the car in public. In all, there are far more advantages than disadvantages in having a built-in system. You can also get updates for the DVD, true, they are not always free, but you aren't just SOL when streets/routes change.
Also, without it you can not get the backup camera which does help, especially if you have kids or live in a neighborhood with lots of kids.
For all these reasons, I don't think it would be a liability at trade-in time unless a dramatic advance occurs or you hold the car for more than 6 years, which most people these days do not do. If you do, then more power to you. I would think that if you are worried about technology passing you buy then a 6 year old car would have a lot of it, in addition to the nav system. To continue with your line of reasoning, I don't think people buying a fifteen year old car care that much about the technology, and those that have kept the car for that long have obviously gotten over/used to it by now.
The bottom line is that if you don't want to spend the money for a built-in system then it is perfectly within your rights not to do so. But you don't have to disparage the alternative to justify your choice.
While it does add value, the depreciation rate of built-in GPS/NAV is higher than the vehicle as a whole. So for most people, built-in GPS is a not high-value option monetarily.
The Navi on my 2003 Acura TL was laughably bad in its routing about 15 - 20% of the time, wanting you to go miles out of your way when the destination was straight ahead. THe one in my 2005 TL was better, but still flaked out on occasion. Maybe Lexus' is better...
The Highlander is now offering a separate backup camera--don't have to get the NAV. As well, the CX-9 offers a small one built into the rear-view mirror. On SUVs, you really shouldn't have to buy an expensive NAV for the sole purpose of having an important safety feature.
With that said, I like the look of a built-in NAV myself, especially since you don't have loose wires all over the place. If only manufacturers wouldn't charge $200 a pop to update the DVDs every year...
Just bought 2008...love it.....2 questions: 1 While you are cruzin at any speed and let off the accelerator to coast, the transmission will immediately down shift to a lower gear causing a rise in RPM and a drag on the engine...nothing serious but looks like it would effect the MPG and have never noticed this on any other car. (I can manually upshift and it takes care of the issue)
2 Can you program the key fob to unlock all doors with click instead of 2 clicks? Thanks
The one for the Veracruz will use a CF card. That means updates over the internet or through a DVD. I suspect it will be 150 USD a piece when they do decide to update.
I believe the 2008 Highlander does the same thing (downshift when letting go the accelerator). There was a brief discussion in the 2008 Highlander Edmunds forum, starting with post #1377
I do not have extensive first hand experience with Acura navigation systems but a friend of mine with an '06TL says his works fine. With the Lexus you can choose from three options, shortest, fastest, and I'm drawinng a blank on what they call the third. Often, one of them will take you further out of the way then necessary, but there is always at least one route that matches what I would do. I was very careful to check this out before we bought the car, since other navigation systems at the time had the problem you were referring to. In fact, now that I recall, the MDX, while offering more bells and whistles with the nav system, was not very accurate. When I entered our home as a destination from the dealer it gave us a much more circuitous route than what I would have taken.
Thanks for the hitch link, a Hidden Hitch with 30 min install time for $154 plus shipping does not seem too bad.
I am doing some "hair pulling" trying to figure out if I go the CUV route (VC, Saturn outlook) vs a small SUV 2nd Jeep. I want to stay with a V6 so just drove a new 08 Jeep Liberty today with torquey V6 and 5000 lb towing (I have an 01 Gr Cherokee with the old I6 that is rated that high but for reasons unknown the new Gr Cherokee only rates out at 3500lb towing?). I have the Veracruz in 3rd place after the Outlook now mainly since no one can tell me how well it tows but the salesman did point out the AWD locking feature which works at under 25mph for either snow or a pull-a-boat-outa-water operation and that got me thinking about the VC again. (Also drove an 08 Subaru Tribeca but just did not feel roomy enough for me despite it's glued to the road excellent AWD).
Anyone out there have an AWD VC that has towed 2500+ lbs with it??? I'll probably make a decision in the next month.
hate to mess up the looks of the rear end of the VC but really need a trailer hitch. Has anybody install one that does not detract from the looks of the car?
You can now get LED taillamps for the veracruz. One korean auto acessory store now sells them. They are made by Hyundai Mobis which means they are the real deal.
Is there any way to lock the XM Info on the song title or the artist? The owner's manual is no help. The way it is currently set up, after it scrolls through song title, artist, genre, it stays on the station name and I already know that.
ml.....on your question #2 dealer may be able to do it. There are a lot of things they can program differently, but, you have to ask them what the options are. For example, automatically locking all doors when you start the car, or, not.
I believe the reason for the double click is security. You may not want all doors to unlock in certain situations, since someone can then easily hop in the passenger seat or rear seat. I am thinking of my wife shopping and getting into the car in a parking lot when she is alone. It is probably safer if just the driver's door unlocks.
I kind of remind myself by - if I have one or more persons with me in the car, then two clicks. Just me, one click.
I ordered the hitch so that I can put a bicycle rack on it. It took 45 minutes to remove the towing hook on the passenger side. Two of the towing hook bolts are easy and the third is hidden behind the exhaust heat shield. You have to remove the two outboard nuts from the heat shield, drop the exhaust off of the orange rubber piece and wedge your hand up in to remove the third bolt. Now I am sure I only have 30 minutes to complete the install (when it arrives).
My wife has a 2007 Veracruz Limited, but I have not heard the backup warning system to date. Do you need to do something to activate it? I can look in the manual, but figured I'd ask here first. :confuse:
Nope. Just got to get real close to the object behind you, say 2 yards to hear the initial beeping, 1 yard when it starts to go crazy, and 18" when it stays on. Suggestion...stand behind the VC as she very slowly backs-up to another vehicle. She will hear the beeping as she gets closer, and then estimate the distance so she knows.
I took back my Veracruz to dealers place as it did not beep couple of times when backing out in parking lot. But the service department demonstrated with one person standing back. I thought it has to come very close. we need to find out to adjust the distance.
Got an '08 Limited AWD with the Ultimate Package. Didn't see any options missing, though when we looked at the manual, we noticed that we didn't have two 'if so equipped options' - the electronic folding mirrors and the mirrors that adjust downward upon reverse. Are these just misprints in the manual? I don't see those options available anywhere on the website for the '08s.
I don't really miss them, just thought we got the bells and whistles with the 08 Limited Ultimate.
A reporter seeks to talk with owners and serious shoppers of the 2007 or 2008 Hyundai Veracruz who are also parents. If you are interested in commenting on your experience, please reply to jfallon@edmunds.com no later than Thursday, November 15, 2007 and include your city and state of residence as well as the age of your child/ren.
On the drivers door where the outside mirror control is located, if you set the switch to the left mirror then your outside mirrors will tilt down when you reverse and return to their normal position when you select drive. Conversely if you set the switch to the right then only the right side mirror will tilt. When the switch is in the middle neither mirror tilts.
There are a number of "if so equipped" features described in the 08 owner's manual that are not available in the U.S. The two outside rear view mirror features you describe are available in other markets (Korea for one), but not in the U.S.
The folding mirror is obviously not available in the U.S. becuase the required switch is missing; and I'm sure the required motors aren't there either. The reversing feature would be nice, but I know my 08 Veracruz Limited is not so equiped either.
When you press the INFO button, the display reads "10,000 HZ and the radio emits a high pitch tone until you press the INFO button again to stop the tone. I have tried everything and talked to everyone at Hyundai. It can't be changed.
I tried the same suggestion and got the same surprising results. :surprise: I'm guessing the person who suggested it doen't have a Veracruz. It does reveal that there are hidden features in the radio, and I'm sure the test tone could be valuable for calibrating the level of the speakers.
I may spend some time holding down various other controls (and possibly combinations of controls) to see if there might be a way to enable the scrolling of song information on a continuous, rather than once only basis.
Like you, I've done a lot of checking around, but so far I can't find any documentation outside the owner's manual.
I bought a '07 veracruz about a month ago and i had a problem with a fuel pump. it didn't start the engine and keep cranking up. so i call them up and left it there over the weekend. they call me there is something wrong with the feul pump and replace it. its only a month old car.. anybody have similiar problem
question! i have a '07 veracruz SE AWD does the tail gate door open with the remote? it says to press about a second but it doesn't open. any suggestion..
The power tailgate door is available only on the Limited model. You can see what features are available by trim level here: Veracruz Feature Comparison
As you have no doubt discovered, the owner's manual doesn't make distinctions on many of these features, other than to say "if so equipped". Unfortunately, there are some features described in the U.S. manual (like power retracting side mirrors and "adjust on reverse" side mirrors) that simply aren't available to U.S. owners.
After reading the owners manual, I see no mention of how to break in this car. Even my salesperson made no mention of it. Does anyone on this board know? Your input would be appreciated.
No formal break-in is required in most modern cars. Today most cylinders are polished smooth(opposed to a honed finish of days gone by that required time for rings to seat). I would probably only pay special attention to maybe the brakes. No hard stops for the first few days of driving but that is only a personal opinion. Otherwise, simply enjoy your new car!
Just saw your message from July. You described the problem I am having with my '07 Veracruz perfectly i.e. the car seems to buck slightly when driving between 35 and 40 mph on a slight incline. Have you had any luck in resolving this issue? I have had mine back to the dealership but their computer indicates everything is within spec so they haven't been able to correct the problem.
Like you, I really like my Veracruz except for this annoyance, so I would like to find a solution.
Believe me you would be better off with a Toyota product,the Vera Cruz looks good from a distance but they have a lot to learn about quality and engineering!.
I have a 2007 Vera Cruz with the same problem the dealer & factory rep. are not in agreement, but I have driven 3 loaners and they all do the same,but their not the same models, the transmission is trying to hunt for the right gear,if you shift to manual it won't do that but defeats the reason for having a auto transmission plus the work involved.
"Replying to: hlauburn (Nov 01, 2007 2:51 pm) Believe me you would be better off with a Toyota product,the Vera Cruz looks good from a distance but they have a lot to learn about quality and engineering!."
Hlauburn,
Curious, can you elaborate on this statement please. Not debating what your saying. In fact maybe your right but I'd like to know if you've compared the Hyundai Veracruz to say a Highlander. Motortrend seemed to state the Veracruz held its own against the Lexus RX350.
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Like cplyons, I also bought the Garmin Nuvi 660 from PCNation for $520 total (there is no tax and shipping is free). This unit is much better than any in-dash navigation i've tested. It's updatable via the web, it can function as an mp3 player, picture viewer, bluetooth device, fm transmitter, etc. Most importantly, it calculates routes in seconds and has Garmin's excellent routing algorithm. It's also very light and sits comfortably on top of dash or on the windshield.
Some cons: if you're parking in some shady area you should hide the unit and the mount so people won't break your windshield to get the device. Also it takes about 30 seconds to connect to the satellite after you turn it on.
Hyundai should eventually offer navigation as part of an option package. But personally, I'd rather save $1500 and have a portable, updatable unit.
Seeing these great cars weighed down with obsolete technology is a good reminder that if we're talking about rapidly evolving technology (like GPS), portable/replaceable wins every time.
What will the state of the art in GPS units look like in five years? Not too much like the LG coming to the Veracruz in October, I would guess. In that scenario if you have a built in unit it could be a liability not an asset at trade in time...
Also, without it you can not get the backup camera which does help, especially if you have kids or live in a neighborhood with lots of kids.
For all these reasons, I don't think it would be a liability at trade-in time unless a dramatic advance occurs or you hold the car for more than 6 years, which most people these days do not do. If you do, then more power to you. I would think that if you are worried about technology passing you buy then a 6 year old car would have a lot of it, in addition to the nav system. To continue with your line of reasoning, I don't think people buying a fifteen year old car care that much about the technology, and those that have kept the car for that long have obviously gotten over/used to it by now.
The bottom line is that if you don't want to spend the money for a built-in system then it is perfectly within your rights not to do so. But you don't have to disparage the alternative to justify your choice.
Built-in GPS and resale
While it does add value, the depreciation rate of built-in GPS/NAV is higher than the vehicle as a whole. So for most people, built-in GPS is a not high-value option monetarily.
With that said, I like the look of a built-in NAV myself, especially since you don't have loose wires all over the place. If only manufacturers wouldn't charge $200 a pop to update the DVDs every year...
1 While you are cruzin at any speed and let off the accelerator to coast, the transmission will immediately down shift to a lower gear causing a rise in RPM and a drag on the engine...nothing serious but looks like it would effect the MPG and have never noticed this on any other car. (I can manually upshift and it takes care of the issue)
2 Can you program the key fob to unlock all doors with click instead of 2 clicks?
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I am doing some "hair pulling" trying to figure out if I go the CUV route (VC, Saturn outlook) vs a small SUV 2nd Jeep. I want to stay with a V6 so just drove a new 08 Jeep Liberty today with torquey V6 and 5000 lb towing (I have an 01 Gr Cherokee with the old I6 that is rated that high but for reasons unknown the new Gr Cherokee only rates out at 3500lb towing?). I have the Veracruz in 3rd place after the Outlook now mainly since no one can tell me how well it tows but the salesman did point out the AWD locking feature which works at under 25mph for either snow or a pull-a-boat-outa-water operation and that got me thinking about the VC again. (Also drove an 08 Subaru Tribeca but just did not feel roomy enough for me despite it's glued to the road excellent AWD).
Anyone out there have an AWD VC that has towed 2500+ lbs with it??? I'll probably make a decision in the next month.
I also see that they have a 680 and a 700 series that will be released later this year although the prices are $1,000.00 and up. Thanks.
I believe the reason for the double click is security. You may not want all doors to unlock in certain situations, since someone can then easily hop in the passenger seat or rear seat. I am thinking of my wife shopping and getting into the car in a parking lot when she is alone. It is probably safer if just the driver's door unlocks.
I kind of remind myself by - if I have one or more persons with me in the car, then two clicks. Just me, one click.
I share your love for the VC.
As prices drop, thefts of GPS units soar :mad:
I don't really miss them, just thought we got the bells and whistles with the 08 Limited Ultimate.
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The folding mirror is obviously not available in the U.S. becuase the required switch is missing; and I'm sure the required motors aren't there either. The reversing feature would be nice, but I know my 08 Veracruz Limited is not so equiped either.
I may spend some time holding down various other controls (and possibly combinations of controls) to see if there might be a way to enable the scrolling of song information on a continuous, rather than once only basis.
Like you, I've done a lot of checking around, but so far I can't find any documentation outside the owner's manual.
problem with a fuel pump. it didn't start the engine
and keep cranking up. so i call them up and left it there
over the weekend. they call me there is something wrong with the feul pump and replace it.
its only a month old car.. anybody have similiar problem
i have a '07 veracruz SE AWD
does the tail gate door open with the remote?
it says to press about a second but it doesn't open.
any suggestion..
Veracruz Feature Comparison
As you have no doubt discovered, the owner's manual doesn't make distinctions on many of these features, other than to say "if so equipped". Unfortunately, there are some features described in the U.S. manual (like power retracting side mirrors and "adjust on reverse" side mirrors) that simply aren't available to U.S. owners.
What other SUV or CUVs offer 2nd row Captain's chairs as an option? I've been looking at the Highlander and Outlook.
Thanks!
Does anyone on this board know? Your input would be appreciated.
No formal break-in is required in most modern cars. Today most cylinders are polished smooth(opposed to a honed finish of days gone by that required time for rings to seat). I would probably only pay special attention to maybe the brakes. No hard stops for the first few days of driving but that is only a personal opinion. Otherwise, simply enjoy your new car!
Craig
Like you, I really like my Veracruz except for this annoyance, so I would like to find a solution.
Believe me you would be better off with a Toyota product,the Vera Cruz looks good from a distance but they have a lot to learn about quality and engineering!."
Hlauburn,
Curious, can you elaborate on this statement please. Not debating what your saying. In fact maybe your right but I'd like to know if you've compared the Hyundai Veracruz to say a Highlander. Motortrend seemed to state the Veracruz held its own against the Lexus RX350.
Craig