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  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    not as nice as the previous one posted at greenhybrid at same location

    My wife thought I was crazy. When we pulled into the lot I parked, got out of the car but then noticed the space at the end was empty. I jumped back into the car and backed it into the space and quickly took some pictures before another car came in and parked beside me. I was able to get 45 while on the island but my drive through the VA and WV mountains brought my average down to similar to yours. All in all incredible none the less.
  • gc77584gc77584 Posts: 65
    I've filled my TCH three times now, and I've got to say I've been a teensy bit disappointed in the MPG I've gotten in comparison with some of the other folks. Not disappointed with the car - I love it - but disappointed that I haven't been able to drive in such a way as to get the mileage that others have reported.

    The last two tanks have been 37.5 mpg and 36.3 mpg, and that's about 50/50 city/freeway driving. Freeway includes both stretches of several miles of 60-70 mph as well as Houston rush-hour, bumper-to-bumper, stop-n-go traffic. My commute is about 17 miles each way, with a mile or so at each end where I can pretty much run on electric at 35-40 mph. I've followed all the driving suggestions to maximize mileage, but I honestly don't know what else I could do to eke out more MPG. Well, now I think I know.

    I filled up again last night right before I got home (that was the 36.3 tank) and since it was cool this morning - only about 80 degrees - I decided to try driving to work without the A/C. WOW! What a difference! Windows were up, fan was blowing, but no A/C. I drove my exact same route to work in the exact same manner, but the electric motor was on much more of the time and was quicker to engage. My tank average when I reached work was 43.4 mpg. I'd guess that if I'd had the A/C running that it would've been 37 or maybe 38.

    Not much I can do about the need for A/C in Houston much of the year, but at least now I can stop wondering what I've been doing "wrong".
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    The A/C in ECO mode should not make that much, if any, difference. I'd look for something else for the reason you were able to get 43.
  • houtex1houtex1 Posts: 82
    I am still on my first tank of gas. According to the computer I am averaging 38.2 MPG. My commute is about 12 miles one way to work, but it is not too bad as far as stop 'n go traffic goes. I usually take I-10 West to work and take Memorial Dr heading into the city. What I've found so far is that it is work to keep a good MPG for city driving. You just can't let up for a minute as far as watching the displays etc :) I went through a 3 day stretch where my MPG was averaging 40. I do keep the A/C on all the time on Eco. The best advice I have seen here is to pick a speed a bit higher than you want to go and then let up on the accelerator. I do this alot, but I must admit that driving in this manner is getting a little old. Maybe it will become second nature at some point... I also find that when I do let up on the accelerator I invariably lose speed and can not maintain the speed I want. Maybe I will get better at this with time also.

    I do think that if I was driving like I used to in my old car my MPG would probably be in the high 20's. I can't say for sure as I haven't really tried that yet.

    If there was one improvement I would wish on the TCH, it would be that it recognize when you are going 30 or 35 MPH and go to battery only without having to let go of the accelerator.

    All in all i am still very happy with my vehicle and still have lots of things that I am learning how to use. Have not even gotten to the Nav system yet.
  • gc77584gc77584 Posts: 65
    My commute is about 12 miles one way to work, but it is not too bad as far as stop 'n go traffic goes. I usually take I-10 West to work and take Memorial Dr heading into the city. What I've found so far is that it is work to keep a good MPG for city driving. You just can't let up for a minute as far as watching the displays etc I went through a 3 day stretch where my MPG was averaging 40. I do keep the A/C on all the time on Eco. The best advice I have seen here is to pick a speed a bit higher than you want to go and then let up on the accelerator. I do this alot, but I must admit that driving in this manner is getting a little old.

    I do, I do - I do all that! I take 288 in from Pearland and don't get off until the south edge of downtown so I don't have the benefit of the Memorial stretch :-( It's really only the end of my drive that I can run on battery for any distance, once I get into downtown or once I get back to my subdivision after work. In the beginning of the drive while I'm still in the subdivision the car hasn't warmed up enough. Or coming home the engine is cold during my drive through downtown, though when it's 95+ degrees out it does tend to warm up pretty fast and I do get some battery driving. It's just never very much either way of my commute. It also doesn't help when some a** is riding my bumper, wanting to do 50 in a 35 zone.

    But...the average mileage I'm getting is still at least 10 mpg greater than on my previous car, so I really shouldn't complain.
  • houtex1houtex1 Posts: 82
    I can see where driving downtown where you have lots of stops and starts that your MPG would suffer. I do get some sustained battery time on Memorial when driving home. Coming out on I10 in the mornings is not bad either. I find that getting to a nice speed and then letting up on the accelerator helps on highways also. I'm sure we will all learn some new tricks as we go along. It's really nice that I have yet to stop at a gas station :) And yes it was unusually cool this morning in Houston. I'll have to try driving without A/C one of these mornings.
  • primo2primo2 Posts: 31
    i commute between las vegas and los first tank i averaged 41.9...that was with the a/c always on...with steep inclines and declines...i was very happy with the mpg...i seem to get the reverse mpg...better on highway than in the city...i have put over 3000 miles since i purchased my TCH on 5/17/06...i really love it all the way around... :shades:
  • gillesmtlgillesmtl Posts: 55
    When I drive on highways, I do get milage in the 40s range, which is great.

    However, when driving in downtown Montreal, which (to me) is similar to driving in Manhattan, trip milage can be anything between 25 and 40. It all depends on how often green traffic lights let you coast in EV mode.

    Close-spaced stop signs and red traffic lights are mpg killers because you must begin braking before having even reached 35 mph.

    I measured (at 300 miles on the ODO) that battery drain and charge currents are under 20 amperes (± 5 HP) in usual conditions. I think the TCH is designed this way to make sure its battery will last for more than 8 years.

    The dowside of this design choice is that at least 50% of the car's kinetic energy is lost during regenerative breaking.
  • r_nashr_nash Posts: 33
    I average in the low 40s. My last tank was 43.2 over 624 miles, which exceeded my expectations!

    I drive mostly freeway, but always hit rush hour traffic comming home and sometimes on the way to work. It often takes 45 minutes to an hour (or more) to go 25 miles. This week has been hot, 90 to 103F on the way home, so the A/C got a workout too.

    I try to avoid braking and brake lightly when I have to. I also use B instead of Drive when under 15 mph to better control my speed in bumper to bumper traffic, especially on downhill grades.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    I too have noticed that the TCH *SEEMS* to do better on hwy MPG than in the City. My best MPG run was 450 miles of ALL hwy driving that registered 42.5 MPG.

    It does not go to EV mode frequently enough in my opinion to completely utilize the HSD system to it's fullest in City driving.

    At least my TCH is that way, but I have a very short commute, just 7 miles one way.
  • r_nashr_nash Posts: 33
    I've noticed if my speed is 40mph or less, just lifting my foot from the gas for a second is all it takes to go into EV mode. With a little practice you can easily maintain 20-35mph in EV mode, even on gentle rises in the road for a half mile or more before the battery drops a bar. I do this all the time in city/surburban traffic after accelerating with the ICE.

    Don't try to accellerate from a stop in EV mode unless you just want to creep at 10 or 15 mph, it just takes too long without the ICE, and really draws down the battery compared to maintaining your speed.
  • willybillwillybill Posts: 83
    Just curious, my dealer told me that I don't need anything until 5,000 miles. I have 1,500 on it now and plan on taking it in to them in August just prior to a major 4,000 mile trip I am tentatively planning.
    That early initial oil change seems prudent to me, but I have asked them twice about that.
    What is the overall recommendation from others with some mileage on their TCH's?
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    What is the overall recommendation from others with some mileage on their TCH's?

    In the 80's with my BMW's they recommended an early change. I believe if a manufacturer felt they did not have an engine completely clean or that there would be early particles from the manufacturing process that needed filtered out then they would recommend a change at 1500 miles. The fact that they don't and then they warrant the powertrain for 60,000 miles makes me believe they have confidence in their scheduled maintenance.

    I don't know if the TCH has a more frequent schedule than a SE v6 or 4cy, but 5000 miles seems like a conservative schedule. A lot of engines with computer maintenance controls may let you go up to 10,000 miles based on your driving habits.

    A 4000 mile trip is a good example (unless you're towing) of a situation where 7500 or even 10,000 miles before you change the oil would be adequate.

    I changed mine at 5000 miles.
  • jlo_onejlo_one Posts: 12
    What a great post. Thank you! If I had read your post I probably would have bought the Camry hybrid when I test drove it. At the time, I noticed the gauge read 25.2. I asked the salesman if he could reset it so I could tell the gas mileage I was getting (he had said that the car was driven "rough"). He said he didn't know how or whether you could! I walked away from it.

    I have a G35 coupe and have gotten 34.5 mpg on the highway when I go 57 mph. To avoid the irate followers I find a slow truck and stay near it. I use the truck as my excuse. Don't get too close or you might get debris from the truck.
    The speed you go is so important on gas mileage. By the way, when I go 70-80 mph I get around 28 mpg (not bad).

  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I have a G35 coupe and have gotten 34.5 mpg on the highway

    Wow, that's pretty incredible for G35 Coupe. I had a 03 350Z (considered the G, probably should have gotten it) I averaged about 21.07 mpg on the Z in 16,278 miles with the same engine as your G. My FX45 that I traded for the TCH averaged 16.3 mpg.

    I'd have a difficult time driving the G like my TCH, too much temptation.

    My milage on the TCH is posted on I'm currently at 38.8 mpg over 5005 miles. I can get 38 to 41 driving with purpose, but I'm not sure how I would get below 36 without simply trying to do it. If the Lexus ES had a hybrid I might have gotten it as I did like the "quality" of my Infinity but the TCH is a great car for what it is and I'm extremely happy with it. I'm guessing I'll never go back to a gas guzzler now.

    (PS: I finally started pulling over and letting the blue hairs by me. It disturbed me watching someones granny flipping me off....just kidding)
  • bobflbobfl Posts: 19
    Hi all,

    I have had my TCH for about three weeks now. Have only been running short trips to the store etc. and getting about 35-36mpg. Yesterday took a bit longer day trip to Newport RI and tried to see what kind of mileage I could achieve. I was amazed, I averaged 44.5MPG going and returned at 43.5mpg. It was only a trip of 40 miles but it showed me what this car can do. Quite a car!

  • houtex1houtex1 Posts: 82
    I finally filled my TCH gas tank yesterday for the first time almost a month after I first got it. I was on vacation for about nine days where the car sat in my garage. I must say I am very pleased with the car in general and with the fuel efficiency I am getting. From long before I got the car I have been reading these forums and have tried to apply all the knowledge I have acquired to maximize fuel efficiency. Sometimes even testing my own patience. All of my driving has been city, but I think my daily commute to work is quite favorable for the TCH. It's between 13 and 15 miles depending which route I take. In the mornings I take an interstate (I10) which is undergoing a major expansion. The speed limit is 55 MPH but the traffic flows out of town well. In the afternoons I take backroads home that don't have too many lights and where the speed limit ranges between 35 and 40 MPH. I get lots of battery time coming home on this route. If my driving only consisted of coming and going to work, I think I would be averaging over 40 MPG.

    When I filled up yesterday (551 miles), the Tank average in the car marked 39 MPG. Actual computed ( by me) MPG is 38.4.

    I drive with the A/C in ECO mode most of the time. I have turned it off on a couple of cool evenings. I have the Michelin tires at whatever air pressure they were set at the dealer.

    Overall I find that achieving the highway EPA estimates is quite easy. I can't say the same for city driving. It takes some work and dedication in the city to get close to EPA estimates and if you are on a road with where there is a light at every corner and lots of stopping and starting, it will be difficult to achieve. The tools are there to help you though. Short trips also tend to impact the average negatively.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    When I filled up yesterday (551 miles), the Tank average in the car marked 39 MPG. Actual computed ( by me) MPG is 38.4.

    Don't know what you drove before the TCH but isn't 38.4 incredible for such a large comfortable car!!!!!
  • houtex1houtex1 Posts: 82
    I used to get 22 MPG on my Honda Element. I am quite pleased with the TCH. It's also really nice not to have to fill up on a weekly basis as I used to do.
  • r_nashr_nash Posts: 33
    LOL so very true! I used to get 12 to 14mpg driving my old F-150. I'm averaging 42mpg with the TCH since I bought it. Just incredible!
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    Got 38.34mpg (calculated, not computer) with mixed driving 2/3 hwy 1/3 city. At this rate, I'll only have to fill up once a month! :) OK, maybe a little more than that.

  • bing8bing8 Posts: 11
    Just took delivery of red TCH and would like to mention the mileage (MPG). First tank all city: 34.7mpg with ECO air on always. Took first highway trip and managed to get 37.8 mpg using cruise control all the time and ECO Air conditioner setting on constantly. The computer read 39mpg on that highway was off a little.

    Traded my 03 Avalon for the TCH. The Camry Hybrid is not as quiet (road noise) or as roomy as the Avalon. Will miss the large trunk but if I get 40mpg it's probably worth it.

    NON-HYBRID-4CYLINDER 07 CAMRY: I did test drive the 07 Camry (Avis rental) 4 cyliinder non-hybrid before delivery of MY TCH and got 21.8 (284miles) city and 29.9 highway (389 miles)for an overall 25.88. Again this was the non-hybrid 4 cylinder.
  • jbolltjbollt Posts: 737
    thanks! Maybe i missed it in your post, but at what point (mileage) did thr low fuel light come on?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    As I know this from going through this subject endlessly over the previous two years: Most gas tanks can hold more than the stated specs.

    The 2003-2005 Civic Hybrid tank is rated at 13.2 gallons, and one user put a little over 16 gallons in his HCH one time.

    Ford Ranger is another vehicle which has an understated tank capacity.

    TCH now also is added to the list.
  • r_nashr_nash Posts: 33
    I've seen the low fuel light come on around 30 to 35 miles before "empty" Twice now I've filled up at or very close to 0 miles to empty and found there is about 2.5 gallons left in the tank.
  • camygcamyg Posts: 11
    I did a little test on the effect of running AC while coming home from work two days in a row - first day running the AC (in ECO mode), and the second day with AC turned off and windows cracked down about 1-2 inches. The drive is about 20 miles through two small towns, 6 traffic lights, and two stop signs, with most of the rural roads speed limit at 55 mph and towns at 25 mph. Traffic was relatively the same both days, I used cruise control when traffic allowed in rural areas and tried to drive in the same manner both days. The first day, with AC on, set at 75 degrees, and about 98 degrees outside, the multi-display showed 35 mpg at the end of the trip and my tank average decreased by about .5 mpg. The second day - with AC off and about 89 degrees outside, the multi-display showed greater than 40 mpg (max it can indicate) at the end of the trip, and I know it was actually greater than 43 mpg because my tank average just rolled up to 43.0 mpg when I pulled into the parking lot in the morning, and just rolled up to 43.2 mpg when I pulled into my driveway in the evening. There was 350 miles on this tank at the end of the trip and it takes a bit to get the tank average to increase once you have this many miles on the tank.

    This indicates the mpg hit could be up to 8 mpg or more. Indications while driving otherwise has indicated at least 4-5 mpg hit.

    This would explain some of the large variances posted for real world mpg I've seen on this site.

    I have almost 2700 miles on the car now (loaded - silver). Below is my actual MPG data to date (area is mostly low rolling hills - Central Virginia, and I have only use AC in ECO mode so far):

    1st tank - 37.6 indicated, 35.2 calculated - using AC most of the time, combination highway, city, rural secondary roads. Pretty sure dealer did not have tank full.

    2nd tank - 38.6 indicated, 38.74 calculated - Start of a long trip, AC always on, almost all highway miles at 60 to 70 mph.

    3rd tank - 36.6 indicated, 35.2 calculated - AC almost always on, first 200 miles highway, rest was combination.

    4th tank - 38.5 indicated, 36.9 calculated - AC always on, start of trip back home, highway miles.

    5th tank - 40.1 indicated, 40.4 calculated - rest of trip home, then some combination driving.

    This gives a calculated overall average of 37.23 so far.

    Currently on the 6th tank with tank average of 43.2 indicated at 350 miles on the tank. I drove the first 125 miles shooting for max mileage (no AC and using all the tricks) and had 46.3 indicated at 125. Then I had to do more higher speed highway miles and use AC on hot days and mileage dropped to as low as 42.4. I still expect I'll get about 41 calculated on this tank. It continues to get better as I get more used to the car.

    Looking forward to even better mpg as car gets broken in.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I'm averaging 38.6 and I can't remember ever having the A/C off. I have started recently running it in the ECO mode but really have not noticed any difference in FE.

    There are some things I will give up (speeding for one) but A/C is not one of them, especially for a 4-5 mpg advantage on a commute. That might possibly save you a quarter on some of the commutes people have described. I'd rather give up my paper or coffee to pay for the A/C.
  • nmtchnmtch Posts: 2
    My TCH came with the wrong manuals, so I had no idea about ECO mode (it's effect remains to be seen). I'm driving in Albuquerque at elevation 5000 - 6000 and it's all hill with a lot of traffic lights. I'm generally driving 40-60 mph and I'm doing my best to not over-accelerate and maintain a steady speed. The climate control has been on auto, with the temp set at 68-69. But it's hot out there, so by the time the air conditioner settles down from full blast I'm usually near my destination. The gas mileage is better than what I was getting before, but a far cry from 40mpg city. Interestingly, nobody else out there seems to be reporting anything even remotely close to 26.5!
  • bnewinsbnewins Posts: 25
    I set my A/C at 77 in ECO mode here in VA. Outside temps 90 to 95. If it is several miles I can get 35+. Short trips are a killer because the cataylic converter never gets heated up. Sometimes I drive only a mile or two for several trips and will get 26-28. After the first oil change @1100 miles I took a 70 mile trip @ 65mph /w A/C on the interstate Richmond to Charlottesville and got 43 mpg. :)
  • clfrunclfrun Posts: 11
    One thing I have depends on where you drive, how you drive and how far the trip is in some situations.

    I got 36.96 MPG calculated, with that being mostly interstate driving with the air always on">, with a little city time mixed in for good measure.

    I guess I don't understand camyg's posting...where is the reading referred to as 'indicated' on the car. I read the manual...maybe it is one of the screens I have not used?

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