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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited December 2018
    Humidity was @ 83/85%, translation: danger of fogging the inside windows. So A/C was directed to inside windshield window. Traffic, 4/5 lanes each direction was heavy, but moving briskly most of the way. So in my case, the task was to “deconflict” situations one cant necessarily see & pay attention to what other drivers are “advertising”.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Everywhere, USAPosts: 126,124
    Maybe, we could just re-name this discussion, "Drivers without headlights".

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited December 2018
    Well I don’t know. In addition to vision degradation, lateral G steering & stopping distances are diminished (by 15%-30%). So with someone signaling, I will do reasonably what I can letting them in or pass them, creating the space they need to merge. Non-signalers can create distress and surprise where non/none existed before.

    It goes without saying that what should’ve been @ most a two car accident, can be 4, 5, 6, etc. very easily.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    kyfdx said:

    Maybe, we could just re-name this discussion, "Drivers without headlights".

    LOL Well, discussions need to run their course. Pretty soon, we'll be on to LLC again. :D
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,928
    Even here where it rains 80% of the time at this time of year and it is still dim at 8am and getting dark at 4pm, I see wipers with no lights. People need to be taught that lights aren't there just to help you see, they are to help you be seen.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited December 2018
    fintail said:

    Even here where it rains 80% of the time at this time of year and it is still dim at 8am and getting dark at 4pm, I see wipers with no lights. People need to be taught that lights aren't there just to help you see, they are to help you be seen.

    That’s “spot on”, given WA also has that lighting law. For the (“can’t fix stupid”) set ...enforcement!?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    ruking1 said:

    fintail said:

    Even here where it rains 80% of the time at this time of year and it is still dim at 8am and getting dark at 4pm, I see wipers with no lights. People need to be taught that lights aren't there just to help you see, they are to help you be seen.

    That’s “spot on”, given WA also has that lighting law. For the (“can’t fix stupid”) set ...enforcement!?
    Oh, but that's so much work.....
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    How's this for inconsiderate?!

    I finally took the time last night to set up my timers for the vehicles' block heaters. The unit for my wife's car seemed to work just fine, but the one for my Q7 did not turn on. So, fifteen below zero, I started that poor thing and it was NOT happy with me.

    You might not think that a few heating pads for an hour or two would make that much difference, but my fuel economy when I arrived at work was a full four mpg lower than on Friday (when temps weren't a whole lot different). Ouch!

    Plus, it took several miles of the trip to my daughter's school before the engine was warmed enough that we were getting reasonable heat inside. :(

    I am going to have a little heart-to-heart with that timer tonight when I get home....
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited December 2018
    Indeed ! Sorry to hear about COLD winter related issues. Diesel fuel, motor oil, car batteries benefit (better mpg, etc.) from being warm in the cold. Please let us know what about the timer caused the problem.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    edited December 2018
    Checked the timer and reset everything last night. Got up this morning and checked again.... time was nearly the same as light night when I set it! So, it is the timer that does not time. Great. Well, I guess it could be worse.... it could be user error! :D

    Funny thing, though... it worked just fine when I tested it inside, so apparently it just doesn't work when it is cold. How useful!
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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    edited December 2018
    My wife had an incredibly close call this morning. I reviewed the dashcam footage..... and oh my it was close!

    She took my son to the bus stop out on the main road at about 0650. There were two other cars sitting in the pull out that they use for the bus stop, one with its lights on (and pointed at her as she waited at the stop sign on the main road). She needed to turn left onto the main road, then loop around back into the pull out.

    She stops, looks to the left, then goes.... and wouldn't you know it... there was a car coming in the right lane! It had one headlight out (driver side) and, according to her, the passenger side light was "extremely dim," so she didn't notice the car there just to the right of the stationary car in the pullout with all its lights shining on her.

    So, basically a person driving to work in the dark using only parking lights. In. Sane. Thankfully, they did not collide, though I have to suspect it was darn close. Sadly, she doesn't bother clearing her rear window, so the rear camera view is mostly useless for this event. The front camera did capture the other vehicle for a brief moment, but the angle on that one (being out the front) was fairly poor, too.

    I'll see if I can pull a clip on it tonight - the entire sequence might be five seconds long!
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,928
    I can't drive without cleared windows - when it snowed while I was in MI last month, I had to clear them before driving, it really irks me.

    Wasn't out during the dark today, no lightless sightings, but I did see a red light sitter get honked at pretty hard, which always pleases me.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 117,591
    I just got back from a couple of days in Houston, and have to report on an interesting driving habit. Happened to us several times. 

    In slow lane on highway, with an exit lane to our right. Seems like folks like to use that exit lane for passing traffic, then swoop to the left at the last minute to continue on the highway. 

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    See any good close calls?
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 117,591
    ruking1 said:

    See any good close calls?

    You mean, other than the ones we were almost involved in?

    They loved to do it right when the lane exited from the highway, and the lane stripe changed from dashed to solid.

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  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,700
    I have a name for drivers like that.... it’s not appropriate for this forum. 

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,928
    Never driven in Houston, but I've heard stories - not an entirely first world experience.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 117,591
    fintail said:

    Never driven in Houston, but I've heard stories - not an entirely first world experience.

    Having cut my teeth on LA traffic, I was surprised at how many highways exist in Houston. It didn't help that the airport was on the north side of town, and the office was on the south side.

    We chose to avoid toll roads, so went through Houston proper. Something like 4 or 5 different highways. The only good thing was that the bulk of the travel was mid-day, so didn't experience a lot of rush hour traffic.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    I have only been through there once - when picking up the Q7. Happily, we did not need to drive from the airport, but, like your experience with a lot of different roads to get to the south side, we did do a lot of changing to get where we were going. The driver seemed to handle it well, despite the fact that that the inside of the windshield was so dirty I am not sure how he even saw through it!

    We had no issues leaving the metro area, though. To me, it seemed no different than any other urban landscape.
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 19,825
    edited December 2018
    ...”To me, it seemed no different than any other urban landscape....” I would agree !

    Yes, the last time I had driven Houston Metro was when Hurricane Katrina hit landfall. I’m really glad I had GPS during that horrid rainstorm.

    I’m very glad you had a near miss, better that a definite accident.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,928
    No-lighters tonight - late model Lexus GX about 20 minutes after sunset (dark here), definitely has auto lights, and a gormless driver to boot. The other two were Fords, a late model Fusion and older Escape.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    edited December 2018
    fintail said:

    No-lighters tonight - late model Lexus GX about 20 minutes after sunset (dark here), definitely has auto lights, and a gormless driver to boot. The other two were Fords, a late model Fusion and older Escape.

    I saw two last night, one with no lighting on, the other with parking lights; the first was a Dodge Charger, and I don't recall the second - some type of CUV. Shockingly, both were responsive to a quick flash from me. Maybe there is hope?
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,928
    You got lucky. I was on foot when I saw the Fords, and I motioned and pointed at the front of their cars several times. No reaction, they were probably trying to look away from the insane gesturing pedestrian.
    xwesx said:


    I saw two last night, one with no lighting on, the other with parking lights; the first was a Dodge Charger, and I don't recall the second - some type of CUV. Shockingly, both were responsive to a quick flash from me. Maybe there is hope?

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    edited December 2018
    Pretty calm this morning. There was some long-needed snow clearing going on along one route, so that was causing some traffic to back up due to timid drivers not wanting to go around (they could have).

    After dropping off my daughter at school, I saw the obnoxious bus driver (mentioned in an earlier post) sitting at the end of the road with the red lights flashing. There was a car stopped in the opposing lane. As I drew closer (probably upwards of a minute later), the car continued on its way while the bus still sat, red flashing, not a soul to be seen anywhere. I took a different route rather than feel the need to do the same thing the other driver did.

    Just after that, I was waiting at a red light to pass straight through. A car approaches from the right, turns right onto that road, and has zero lights. I flashed them a few times from behind as they drove away, then planned to catch up once I had green, but as I approached them, and they drove into a section of the road not lit by street lamps, they finally realized their folly and the lights came on. /sigh
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,928
    No-lighters today - a rental Maxima with DRLs, and of all things, an Aston Martin with nothing. Couldn't tell the age other than 2005+, but knowing the origin of the car, maybe they were on but just not operational B)

    Also had a fun one on cam, but I don't think I will post it as I weaved a web of profanity that Darren McGavin would be proud of. I am at a busy intersection, straight lane, sitting on red, lights change - but the turn lanes go first. Late model Lexus RX in front of me starts going anyway, gets honked at by many (including me), then stops and backs up a little. As we are about to get green, the reverse lights are still on. Of course it starts backing up, so I lay on the horn, and it jerks to a stop and creeps forward. Makes me wonder how these cars are purchased. Turn signal use was also awful today, but without enforcement, who cares I guess.

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    edited December 2018
    fintail said:

    No-lighters today - a rental Maxima with DRLs, and of all things, an Aston Martin with nothing. Couldn't tell the age other than 2005+, but knowing the origin of the car, maybe they were on but just not operational B)

    Also had a fun one on cam, but I don't think I will post it as I weaved a web of profanity that Darren McGavin would be proud of. I am at a busy intersection, straight lane, sitting on red, lights change - but the turn lanes go first. Late model Lexus RX in front of me starts going anyway, gets honked at by many (including me), then stops and backs up a little. As we are about to get green, the reverse lights are still on. Of course it starts backing up, so I lay on the horn, and it jerks to a stop and creeps forward. Makes me wonder how these cars are purchased. Turn signal use was also awful today, but without enforcement, who cares I guess.

    Just run it through Blender and pull out the audio track.... or better... add "bleeps" to your worst offenses. That would make it even more entertaining! :D

    Hey, the good news is that they didn't just lay on the accelerator and slam into you. Yikes.
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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 10,646
    edited December 2018
    Just back from being out on the roads, thankfully not to do any shopping today. It is total retail madness out there today and traffic is a disaster.

    Here we suffer from a particular malady - "considerate" drivers being inconsiderate. I saw a perfect example of what I'm talking about today. I was waiting at a T-intersection to make a right turn. The line I was in was moving very, very slowly when it moved at all. The reason? People who had already turned on to the street I wanted to get to, or those who had proceeded straight thru the intersection to get there, were pausing to let vehicles enter and exit a couple of different store parking lots. What that meant of course was that the line beyond never moved. Misplaced courtesy at its best. This is an epidemic here generally, with people stopping mid-block to allow oncoming traffic to turn left in front of them, etc. This is especially fun when they do it in the left oncoming lane and there is traffic moving to their right who are unaware there will soon be a t-bone collision in their future.

    Shortly after that, I had a terrifying episode. I was on a stretch of 4-lane expressway that was traveling at around 50-55mph. The far right lane leads to an exit to another expressway that has an exit to the biggest single shopping area about a half-mile down that road. Traffic there was at a standstill and it backed up into the right lane of the road I was on for maybe 1000 feet. In front of me was a newish RAV4. Mr. RAV decides at the last second he wants to join that backed-up traffic, so he STOPS in my lane and tries to force his way in. Thankfully I was paying attention and the ATS has good brakes, and nobody rear-ended me either. But I almost had a heart attack.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,003
    ab348 said:

    Here we suffer from a particular malady - "considerate" drivers being inconsiderate. I saw a perfect example of what I'm talking about today. I was waiting at a T-intersection to make a right turn. The line I was in was moving very, very slowly when it moved at all. The reason? People who had already turned on to the street I wanted to get to, or those who had proceeded straight thru the intersection to get there, were pausing to let vehicles enter and exit a couple of different store parking lots. What that meant of course was that the line beyond never moved. Misplaced courtesy at its best. This is an epidemic here generally, with people stopping mid-block to allow oncoming traffic to turn left in front of them, etc. This is especially fun when they do it in the left oncoming lane and there is traffic moving to their right who are unaware there will soon be a t-bone collision in their future.

    Glad that you made it through your stopped-on-the-highway incident without damage!


    But, you had to remind me about the inconsiderate considerates!

    I experienced this last night as well. Traffic on a three-lane road (one in each direction with a center turn "suicide" lane), which bisects the local shopping district, was at a complete stand-still. The typical cause of this is a poorly designed three-way intersection a few hundred feet up the road, where the stub branch is quite popular, but it is very short (only holds about ten vehicles before they back up on to the main road) and has a long light. People tend to use the center turn lane for a half dozen or so cars, but then they just stop in the main drive lane waiting for a left, even though they could be in the center lane OR, even better, just go down the road another short distance and use a larger artery to access that other road.

    So, last night, traffic is stopped. There is also a long line of vehicles waiting to make a right (merging into my direction of travel) from the local Fred Meyer (Kroger). I was about third in line from being even with this line of cars, and the driver there stops short to let in a large pickup. Now, traffic is really not moving quickly at all, and we might not get more than a movement of ten vehicles before the next light change at that branch road. Yet, this driver just sits there while two cars muscle their way in behind the pickup, and the third looked like he was going to do the same thing.

    At that point, I just gave up, spun a u-turn, and headed back the other way (where traffic was still heavy, but moving). The nice thing about being in town is that there is ALWAYS more than one way to get to a destination!

    Don't get me wrong, with traffic moving that slowly, it is appropriate to allow turning traffic like this to zipper with main traffic. But, the guy waiting in the main line was inconsiderate to block road traffic to let an endless stream of parking lot traffic into the road, and the parking lot traffic was clearly inconsiderate to assume right of way indefinitely.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 47,928
    edited December 2018
    Being "nice" can be a thing here, where people can't handle a 4 way stop, or will stop in the middle of a busy street to let someone out of a driveway or side street.

    Got off work early today, no no-lighters, but I saw a goodie: Model 3 in a left turn lane, changes mind after stopping and sitting, veers right across 2 lanes and turns right without a signal. Yeah, these are savvy with-it people who know what they are doing.
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 8,700
    edited December 2018
    Too much to list today ... wild day anywhere you went near shopping.  

    What happens around the holiday?  Do people forget how to drive? 

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