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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison



  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    LOL and Ha-ha, you might end up with the worlds first 10 year old, 200k Azera that is still worth $18k?
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    At the rate I drive, I might have 200K miles at 8 years!

    To be honest, I didn't feel like I took too much of a bath when I traded my '02 Sonata in for the Azera. I paid $16,800 for it and at trade in 4 years/105k miles later...I got $5K for it. Considering the mileage and the fact that it had been in a small fender bender (damage was repaired). I think I did okay!
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    I think I did okay!
    and THAT is all that really counts- isn't it?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yikes. $17k to $5k.

    With a $17,900 (MSRP in the $19s) 1996 Accord LX (mid-level 4-cyl Auto), I think I could still get $4k by selling privately. I have 175,000 miles on it. That makes an extra $2,000 drop for 6 years and 73,000 miles of driving. A friend of mine was asking $4,000 for his 1994 with 201,000 miles. It has been in two wrecks as well; one that opened the airbags.

    I REALLY am not trying to open this old can of worms, just pointing out how things like resale can still make a difference. Hopefully (and I'd guess PROBABLY) your Azera will fare better.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    11 year old Accord with 175K, good condition I assume despite the wrecks - 4 grand? Not from this sucker! And I love Accords!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Hey, not from this sucker either, and I drive three of them on a regular basis!

    I'd be the seller, not the buyer!!!

    It's amazing what people will pay for an old Honda in good condition. It still delivers 27-28MPG in mixed driving, although lately I'm down to 24 MPG (my commute has added a lot more city driving).

    All accessories work with the exception of the Right Rear PDL, and it runs to 6,000 RPM with the smoothness of a car half its age. :)

    I wouldn't buy it, but check the papers, I wouldn't be the only one asking this kind of money. I read in the Birmingham News where one was for sale, a 1997 LX with 161k miles. They were asking $4,695.

    CRAZY! But good news for me, right? ;)
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    Birmingham,Alabama I assume - craziness a condition of folks from that part of the country? And yes, great news for you.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Birmingham,Alabama I assume - craziness a condition of folks from that part of the country? And yes, great news for you.

    Yes, Birmingham, Alabama. And it depends on your idea of crazy. We're a red state, are part of the bible belt, and revolve around the Alabama and Auburn football seasons for three months out of the year.

    So, are we crazy? That's for you to decide. (Yes, I voted Republican for governor [haven't gotten to vote for a Pres. yet), yes, I'm a Born-Again Christian who attends a Southern-Baptist church, and yes, there is a University of Alabama tag on the front of my Honda!).

    I'm not here to preach though, so I won't go into any of those three subjects since they're unrelated here!
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    no, no, no - craziness in the sense of buying ANY car that is 11 years old and with 175K on it (for almost any amount of money) is flat out zonkers - keeping political, collegiate, and religuous affliations out of it.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I agree that it is crazy. And, it is now 12 years old! :) For me I hope it'll be crazy all the way to the bank!
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,413
    "I see them making great strides in the next few years and surprising a lot of folks. The Azera is a start."

    I agree, I hope they keep putting pressure on the rest of the auto makers because we will all benefit from better cars. Just look at some of GM's new offerings (Acadia triplets, Aura, Malibu, CTS) light years ahead of anything they have offered in 15 years. I am also anxiously awaiting the Hyundai Genesis, if it is as good as all the hype they will have a winner.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Yes, but we're talking 4 years (to the day almost) and 105K miles!!! Factor that in.

    If I had sold privately...I could have probably gotten $6,500 for it! *grin*

    Honestly, I'm not worried about the resale value on my Azera...I plan on keeping it till the wheels fall off.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    and if you do (kkep it until the wheels fall off) and have minmal problems with it, then you will have certainly made a good choice. One suggestion for you though, drive it back to the dealer BEFORE the wheels fall off - it'll be worth more to them that way ;)
  • dborthdborth Posts: 474
    "We're a red state, are part of the bible belt, and revolve around the Alabama and Auburn football seasons for three months out of the year".

    Just curious about what this, and old Accords have to do with "Mainstream Full Size Sedans". Neither belong here.
  • "Just curious about what this, and old Accords have to do with "Mainstream Full Size Sedans".
    Neither belong here."

    Couldn't agree more! Gee wiz . . Patricia and/or Karen must be on vacation together. :confuse:
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Actually, neither of us is here 24/7 - surprise!

    Those who feel like comments are off-topic really don't help things by adding more off-topic comments.

    Let's get back to the subject.
  • alexstorealexstore Posts: 264
    and I only need 4.5qt in my Maxima
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    LOL If I do anything with the car, it may be turning it over to one of my daugthers as they will be of driving age by then. Of course, that depends on what condition the car is in at that time.

    Then again, I am toying with the idea of possibly trading it in on the new Genesis when they finally hit the showrooms. It's a hard choice because I really do love my Azera (not to mention, it's paid for too). Living with no car note is SWEET!!!
  • jaymagicjaymagic Posts: 309
    Just rolled over 20K on my 07 Azera. Not ready for brakes yet, but I am curious about the ceramic pads. Perhaps you could throw some info about them into the Azera Service thread. I also find it interesting how many people that hit this group regularly are using synthetic oil (me too), regardless of which car we bought. I wonder how much being a little more car crazy drives up the percentages that use the syn stuff?

    Just did another drive (Denver-KC). Got 29+MPG at a fairly steady 75+ speed, so not quite in the Avalon category. I would have expected about 30-31 under similar circumstance (based on my old AV). But boy, is it a nice ride, and I do like the ESC (electronic stability control) on the Azera. But, I had the VSC on my Avalon, too.

    I have a good friend back in KC that has an 06 Chry 300. He will not be appearing on this forum to discuss the merits of his purchase. Although under warranty, it has been in for transmission problems, numerous squeaks and rattles, and a broken trunk lock. Other than that, he likes the looks, lol.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    20K miles...nah, you shouldn't need brakes. I had to replace mine at about 35K miles (fronts). The rears needed to be replaced at about 39K miles. I think these wear more evenly than on past cars because of the ESC employing the rear brakes when turns are too aggressive to keep the car on track. As soon as I heard the sensor squealing, I didn't hesitate and changed 'em out.

    The ceramic pads just do a better job of keeping brake dust off the wheels and they last a bit longer than the semi-metallic ones too. I had used them on my Sonata and they never proved to be a problem. Some folks will tell you that they will tear the rotors up. They can, but you would have to be doing some extreme driving to make that happen.

    I only paid $24 for the rear ceramic brake pads from an internet store Rock Auto Auto Parts If I recall, the front ceramic pads were like around $40 for the set.

    Replacing them was a snap...took longer to jack the car up and remove the wheel than it did to loosen the caliper, swap the pads and put the caliper back on!
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    jaymajic's comment about his friend and his apparent problems with his 300 (300C I'm guessing), also reminds me that the Impala SS has also achieved the infamous 'black circle' from CR and might also indicate that these 'new' RWD V8 Aussie models (like the GTO) be approached with caution. Both companies have been producing small block V8s like this for years and years - but 'black circle' ratings tend to happen with reliability/engine issues. Makes no sense, unless we are having a replay of those famous problems Cadillac had back in the earlier 90s with V8-6-4 or for some reason, GM can't produce a multi spd. tranny that'll handle the extra torque. Anybody shed some light on what kind of problems folks are having, because the V6 models seem to be doing better? This is the most logical competition for things like the Genesis, but it sure beginning to sound like 'Detroit' will be leaving the door wide open - again!
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    PS another possibility - CR is intentionally finding things to gripe about because the FE of the V8s isn't exactly politically correct these days.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Unless the V8 is over 340HP I don't see much point choosing a V8 over V6 now-a-day.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    louis - you would think that if you can rather easily get 300hp out of a 3.5 liter Toyota engine or Cadillac engine, that something like 400hp out of 5-6 liters ought to be 'easy' (SRT8) although it is all that torque produced by the extra displacement and pushrods, and of course that wonderful V8 rumble, that make these cars so attractive - FE be damned. It just confuses me that GM/Chrysler should be having so many problems with something like V8s, it is what they have been historically good at and the reliabilities of most of the Trucks/Suvs so equipped is TMK not that bad. I sure have had relatively good luck with them over the years.
  • xscoutxscout Posts: 141
    CR looks at many things to determine the color of their circles. I recall having two vehicles in a row that they gave the black circle to and I drove one for four years and the other for thirteen years never needing anything other than routine maintenance.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Torque you say? All the new generation high feature V6s from GM, Nissan, Honda and Toyota all have torques around 260 lb-ft with the 2GR-FSE at 277. It has been reported that the DI version of the 2GR is easily capable to be tuned to deliver around 350 HP. At that rating I wouldn't be surprise to the the torque to be around 300 lb-ft.

    V8 rumble eh? Go try Nissan's VQ35. Want a high screaming V6? Honda has that taken care of. Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you. With cases like these, I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 6,413
    "I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore"

    They are a selling point. The old mine is bigger than yours theory. There are several people who just don't realize what a modern V6 is capable of. Just look back through this discussion. It has come up plenty of times. The V8 does have one advantage over the modern V6s: low end torque. I will always contend that the V6s spool up faster and its a wash.... but different strokes. The FE penalty for the V8 doesn't make up for its benefit IMO.

    "Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you"

    Absolutely ;)

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • djm2djm2 Posts: 712
    Hi All:
    A 2007 Kia Amanti with the following options, (packages); ---Gl Pkg.,KP Pkg., SR Pkg., & EC Pkg. has an MSRP of $31,575, INVOICE of $28,550 and a TMV, (less $1,000 rebate), of $28,346
    QUESTION: ---- You can purchase an XLE - V6 Toyota Camry for almost the same amount, and have a better resale value after three (3) years of ownership. Why purchase the Kia Amanti????? Please educate me!!!!!
    Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades: :confuse: ;) :)
  • Dwayne, your question should be: Why consider the Kia Amanti at all? :confuse:
    Is it as good as the fully loaded Azera which has approximately the same MSRP even
    when equipped with the extra cost Powered Pearl White finish at $200 extra,
    but can be purchased for approximately $2K less than the Kia Amanti.

    The Kia probably does suffers more than the Azera when it comes to resale value.

    You are most likely correct when you talk about the better resale value of the XLE Camry after
    three years, BUT remember this: You must live with that Camry for those three years!
    I'm hearing that most T's are not as dependable as they once were.
    Also, I do not believe that the new Camry will run as well as the Azera, nor is it as nice to begin with.

    Your choice for sure. It is entirely up to you.

  • jaymagicjaymagic Posts: 309
    It also depends on how large of car you want. The Azera is a full size sedan, as large as the Avalon. If you need more car, then the Azera or Avalon are your choices.
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