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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Imagine if I had to post that I still couldn't find the diesel pumps? Good thing I have long term care insurance! :surprise:
My only valid excuse would have been if Hess posted:
Regular: $2.75
Intermediate: $2.85
Premium: $2.95
Imaginary Diesel: $3.10
In contrast, I think it was C&D's long term Acura RL tester that had eight unscheduled service visits in less than a year, and suffered from constant electrical problems. Germany seems to be improving rapidly on the reliability front, while the Japanese are either treading water, or in Acura's case, badly slipping. The idea of a majority of models from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes getting the thumbs up from CR should be giving the guys at Acura and Lexus nightmares.
That doesn't seem likely. Some automakers like Saab and VW have had trouble with turbos in the past, but there are plenty of old Volvo turbos around that are just fine.
DrFill
Is it true that the new car with the smaller engine is actually slower?
DrFill
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The technology associated with the car is very impressive, however, and expect it to also be up to snuff by the time it makes its way to a real production powertrain.
TagMan
Unless it sported a Lexus badge, in which case it would be "butt ugly".
Personally I don't see a point of this, BMW is getting too SAV-happy. I would much rather see an X7 or X8 ultra luxury SUV that goes head to head with the Ranger Rover, LX570 and the GL550. I'll take the X5 in a blink of an eye over this... this... thing.
I am no hardcore enthusiast but I want my acceleration.
Sorry, MB, this is just not my cup of tea. An S350 Hybrid that accelerates from 0 to 60 in the high 6's and gets around 30 mpg combine will definitely get my vote though.
Here’s the best part: Mercedes says that a new four-cylinder engine (which it inexplicably calls the DiesOtto) will be powerful enough to power an S-class sedan and get 44 mpg. An S-class hybrid, due in 2009, will be rated at 299 hp.
200 big ones? What source suggested anything even close to that? Unless that's a reliable source, I highly doubt it.
TagMan
Mercedes-Benz plans to roll out a wide range of diesel- and hybrid-powertrain models over the next three years to cut fuel consumption and CO2 emissions, and plans to put a B-class wagon powered by a fuel cell into production in 2010.
Mercedes-Benz plans to have Bluetec diesel-hybrid models in its lineup, beginning in 2010, as it seeks to produce and sell the world’s cleanest sedans.
The German automaker laid out its “Road to the Future” today at the Frankfurt motor show.
Among its plans:
A diesel engine for the United States in 2008 that will meet emissions regulations in all 50 states. The engine will be offered in the R-class wagon, and ML- and GL-class SUVs.
A hybrid version of the ML-class SUV in 2009. The powertrain mates a 4.6-liter V-6 engine with the Two Mode rear-drive hybrid system that DaimlerChrysler has developed in conjunction with BMW and General Motors.
A hybrid version of the S-class sedan will also be introduced in 2009. This S 400 hybrid will mate a V-6 gasoline engine with an integrated starter-generator. The starter-generator provides stop-start function, and can power the car on only electricity for short distances. It also adds an electric boost to the gasoline engine under heavy loads.
Mercedes says the hybrid powertrain is rated at 299 hp, can accelerate the large sedan from 0 to 100 kph (62 mph) in 7.3 seconds, yet burns only 7.9 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers (20.9 miles per gallon).
A fuel cell version of the B-class small wagon will go into limited production in 2010. Mercedes said the car will be powered by a new generation of its fuel cell stack that is smaller, yet puts out more power.
Versions of the E-class and S-class sedans powered by Bluetec diesel hybrid powertrains are due in 2010. The powertrains will include a four-cylinder diesel engine and seven-speed automatic transmission. The E-class hybrid will burn 5.1 liters (1.3 gallons) of fuel per 100 kilometers, or about 47.6 miles per gallon.
A version of the C class with the Bluetec diesel hybrid is due after 2010, Mercedes said.
TagMan
TagMan
It's called louiswei guesstimation.
Did you see the inside of that car? It looks bigger and more upscale than your regular Maybach. Now tell me, how much does a regular Maybach cost?
LOL.
But, like you said, the performance description sucks.
so... I must maintain then that I believe the car will be better in performance and style than the concept... both more in line with its price... whatever that might be.
TagMan
Absolutely right!
The F700 styling cues may never ever be seen on any Benz. The F700 is nothing more than a pie in the sky concept.
What's there to like about the F700?
Everything in terms of potential technology!
Imagine a Diesotto gasoline C, E and S Class that will have the fuel efficiencies of a diesel. What's there not to like about its preSCAN suspension?
What about a E Class Diesotto Hybrid? One person made a Honda Civic comparison to the F700 but I think this comparison will be highly relevant in terms of Diesotto hybrid S Class gas mileage being higher than the mileage of a Honda Civic.
This is made possible by a forward-looking drive concept, the heart of which is the “DIESOTTO” technology – an advancement of the internal combustion engine thought up by Mercedes-Benz. With its novel controlled auto ignition (CAI), direct fuel injection and turbocharging, it combines the high power of the spark-ignition engine with the exemplary torque and great fuel economy of a diesel. The drive system in the F 700, as four-cylinder featuring two-stage charging, attains the performance level of a current S-Class car with a 3.5-liter naturally aspirated V6 gasoline engine or the 3.0-liter V6 turbodiesel.
“Our goal is to make the gasoline-powered car just as economical in consumption as the diesel. The new DIESOTTO concept is a major step in that direction, combining the best properties of the spark-ignition engine and the diesel engine,” says Dr. Thomas Weber, Board member of DaimlerChrysler AG responsible for Group Research & Mercedes Car Group Development.
Only time will tell.
Unless it sported a Lexus badge, in which case it would be "butt ugly".
That is certainly not the Merc1 I knew in these forums. He had negative views about quite a few MB models (RL , GL and B Class ) and he praised the styling of the current LS model.
BMW is always sexy. Nothing new with that. BMWs are like a Marilyn Monroe pinup and their curves will remain beautiful for the rest of eternity.
The 1954 BMW 504
Gosh, for a single manufacturer, I'd have to give BMW a ton of credit for so many styling success stories, and even credit for trend setting... but that said, I can see the potential for the X6 to catch on, but I personally think the rear could have received some better styling.
If it drives great, which is a reasonably good bet, sure it would be better received.
I guess it's true that great performance can sometimes take priority over styling... but more often, I'd say that a gorgeous car with only fair performance would still sell due to its great looks.
But regarding the X6, just like you correctly said... Only time will tell.
TagMan
Personally, I have never liked the styling of the Infiniti FX, or its Nissan counterpart.
TagMan
"If it looks right then it should fly right"
One of the many reasons why Boeing lost to Lockheed for the JSF contract.
Anyway, for me, if a car doesn't look right then I'll have a hard time to convince myself that it drives right. I know the look has nothing to do with the performance but it's all psychological.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Too little or too much...or it could be just right.
Depends on the buyer...but there are quite a few claustophobic types who yearn to drive a coupe but will not do so due to a lack of space.
I myself would not drive a X6 since I am currently not afflicted with claustophobia.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Same here.
However, if I have to choose the lesser evil I'd go with the Nissan Murano. Had a chance to test drive the Murano and I came away dissapointed. At the end of the drive my conversation with the sales rep looks something like this:
Nissan sales rep: So how does it feel?
Me: So so, it felt big.
Nissan sales rep: Does it feel like you were driving a car because Nissan specifically designed the Murano to be driven like a car.
Me: Not really, my dad has a 4Runner and I couldn't tell the difference.
Nissan sales rep: @%@$#%#$%@$^...
Or a BMW version of a gas powered Diesotto (renamed ofcourse due to MB trademark issues)
I also think X6 is good-looking.
Jose
Is it a gasoline engine or a diesel?
If it's a gasoline engine then what's the difference between the Diesotto and a direct-inject engine?
IMO, Mercedes is truly about to pull the rabbit out of the hat... it feels great just thinking about it... knowing that it's really just a matter of a little time.
TagMan
A Diesottoi is a combination of a novel controlled auto ignition (CAI), direct fuel injection and turbocharging, it combines the high power of the spark-ignition engine with the exemplary torque and great fuel economy of a diesel.
I also think X6 is good-looking.
I guess its either you love it or hate it. Kind of like every single car with Bangle stying cues.
What is a controlled auto ignition (CAI). Tried google it, the only explanation I am getting is: a combustion process similar to that of a diesel.
I think the only new thing (if it's a new thing) about he Diesotto is the CAI. Very interesting.
Engine technology is really in gear. Not just from Japan, with their advances in hybrid technology... but also from Germany, where the idea of using the existing gasoline infrastructure to power an engine that can be designed to deliver diesel-like efficiency, but with gasoline performance.
All I can say is... WOW... bring it all on!
TagMan
If you think about it, an awful lot of our past purchases had some gimmik involved, with some false promise....Just think the hybred should save you some money, but no they say it is for extra hp..both should be right but they then charge a good premium for you to find out..I`m going to stick purely with the drive and the interior quality layout...Rarely do I use the mapping system, yet I bet I`v paid for ten thousand dollars worth of mapping..at least...The diesel should be for a suv or any model where economy is wanted, but the product is going to have some short comings--mark my words...After being fully informed the decision is going to boil down to what you will sacrifice for what....I`m just re-inforcing what you positively know, and I can support..The bmw 5 drives better than the 7 and the a8, unless you want a more heavy luxurious drive, then the heavier car imo wins....Try pouring some of the cheaper rum in with a beef stew ..New Englanders sometime do this, and it imparts a wonderful sweet--special--taste to it...Tony
DrFill
But, Doc, would you pwesonally ever really consider buying one?... and THAT's the final criteria here.
I'm curious... just who on this forum thinks it will sell very well?
TagMan