oh and by the way, I have no agenda to rain on anyones parade. I was talking trucks, their differences, my likes, and my dislikes. I thought that was the "topic" of this whole board. If you like the Tundra, that is great. I never said it was a bad truck. You obviously feel an inferiority yourself or you wouldn't throw stones in a glass house.
Hay red boy what kind of cupcake are you. If you look at the crash tests your not going to run over a Tundra is the size of your truck to make up for some of your short comings. Don't go away mad just go away! we don't want to here it!
If your saying that GM builds quality, try again. They ranked close to dead last in quality control. f150, why are you stuck on the incorrect notion that the Tundra is more expensive than the domestics. This simply is not true. 175k on a domestic truck is very,very good. Never heard of one on going that far without plenty of maintainence along the way, but I'm glad you had such fabulous luck. My 78 Toy is still going strong @380,000. I replaced the engine @280,000 for $300. It was running fine, but wouldn't pass strict Cali emmisions. Also, I'd have to say it's the domestic guys with a chip on their shoulder. They post over and over again in all the Tundra topics, berating and insulting Tundra owners. When the Tundra owners finally strike back and verbally spank them, they make a big fuss about it.
How many tundras have you seen with 30K+ mls on them? This past weekend at work i seen 3 99 silverados ( i talked to the guys who owned them) with over 30K+ mls. One had almost 45000 mls. I asked them all if they had any problems and all (i know its only 3 but still) have said no problems at all. I have yet to see a tundra come into work. Guess tundras dont haul building materials very much.
Quality is like night and day with gm ford and toyota i know this but ALL DOMESTIC trucks arent bad. My mom just got rid of an 87 blazer with almost 150K mls on it and no problems. I had a 92 S-10 (dad is driving it to work now) and it currently has 90K+ mls on it and no problems. I have many relatives (grandpa, 2 uncles) who drive toyotas and they are have done their job. Go to any parking lot in America and count the number of trucks. Chevy will out number toyota, ford will outnumber toyota, dodge will outnumber toyota. Why i do not know. Obviously with this many trucks out there they have a little bit of quality.
I dont know where your getting this berating and insulting (other than a few posts) from.
I don't think I have insulted or berated anyone here. Just spoke my opinion about my likes and dislikes, which by the way, was asked for.
If you have gone 280,000 miles on a Toyota engine without major problems, my hat is off to you, because that is not at all normal either. In fact, I am surprised that your truck is not in the Toyota Hall of Fame. Most imports that go the same miles as an American v8 engine without problems are the ones that are never worked hard and mostly driven like cars. Americans buy American trucks to work them. Americans buy Toyota trucks for leisure and play, not work. If I never haul, tow, or work my F150, I have no doubt it will go over 300k miles. Also, if you did ever have to replace an engine or transmission or god forbid, anything electrical, it would cost more to repair or replace those parts than the whole truck is worth. Toyota parts are ungodly expensive and rarely are import parts rebuildable with any kind of longevity built in. I would guess a 78 year engine "would" be cheap, if you can even find one worth buying. I am guessing you replaced a 22R engine, which has notorious problems with head gaskets, valvetrain, among other things. I am glad you didn't experience any of those problems as you say. You must have really babied that truck it's whole life.
Most import dealerships won't even rebuild an import engine because they can't warranty the work. They would lose too much money if they did.
Maybe the Chevy guys would be more civil if you Toyota guys were not so arrogant about a truck that has no proof or history to be any more quality than GM trucks. If Toyota put out even a 3rd of the amount of trucks as GM does, your Toyota quality would be even more rediculously overrated. I have seen very similar problems reported on all trucks, including Toyota. What makes you so blind to think that the Tundra is any better? Less than 100k units on the road so far and still they show their share of problems, just like any other truck.
From what I see here on Edmunds so far, the Chevy guys only report facts about the Tundra's smaller size (seems to be the largest complaint), less options, higher price. That is not debateable. Those are simple facts of the matter. Tundra owners seem to get defensive about that, claim that the Chevy guys are bad talking the Tundra and then go off name calling and in my case, creating some kind of beef with me comparing me to some other guy that the Tundra owners must have had problems with.
No, I still think it is the Tundra owners that have the chips on their shoulders and who cause more arguements in these topics. The Tundra owners seem to commonly reply with remarks that American truck owners don't belong here. Well, I am sorry to remind you that this is a public borad and we have as much right to be here as you have to be in a Chevy or Ford topic.
On your comment: "Maybe the Chevy guys would be more civil if you Toyota guys were not so arrogant about a truck that has no proof or history to be any more quality than GM trucks"
I agree with this. The tundra has been out how long? Chevy has been making their truck (c/k, silverados) for many many yrs. (you can also throw ford in there). Year of being around proves reliability and dependability. That is pur FACT. You cant dispute that
Sorry F150 I don't know where you pull your info from .If a truck is made here in the good old U.S.A by Americans that makes it an American truck. That is what the Americans who make the Tundra will tell you.What's the deal with size of the trucks- what are you trying to make up for? I think you're a little mixed up no your facts. Toyota will rebuild the engine and give you a warranty on it.I think you make this stuff up as you go! You're right about one thing, the Tundra does not have much history, but the engine does.
If anyone has a question or concern regarding a Tundra, I'd like to assist. 21 years car experience with Toyota, Ford, and Chevrolet, so I am completely aware of their strengths and weaknesses.
I don't think I am in the dark about Toyota dealers being very gunshy about rebuilding a Toyota engine. Reputable dealerships will highly recommend a complete engine replacement, either brand new or one with low miles over rebuilding an existing one. Toyota engines, especially the aluminum block engines (not sure if the Tundra is aluminum block or not), do not take rebuilds very well at all.
How much would it cost to replace that Tundra engine at today's prices? I know the Camry and Avalon engines are almost 7k to replace, not including labor. I would guess a Lexus engine would be even higher in price. A Chevy 5.3l engine at most any place, complete long block, would be right at 3k, not including labor. A Ford 5.4l is less than that. The Dodge 360 is even cheaper yet.
I won't claim to know everything about the imports because I don't buy them, but I have lots of friends that do and I have lived these facts through them. I have no reason to make anything up. I am secure in my truck choice. I have never had any major problems with my Fords, but even still, if the transmission dropped out of it tomorrow, I still would not regret my choice. That could happen to any truck made, even Toyota. I highly doubt anything like that will happen,but even if it does, the experiences I have had with Ford dealerships and Ford themselves makes me confident that I would be well taken care of.
Tundra owners want everyone to believe that they bought their trucks with less options, capabilities and higher price because they are proven to have higher quality. That is just plain wishful thinking.
Crying in his bud light beer. Feeling the sting of buyer's remorse. Trying to convince someone, anyone that he didn't make such a foolish decision when he bought a Ford.
Well Dan, you have come to the wrong place. Remember "Thou shalt not lie" Or are you off that religious kick already?
Tundra owners know the truth. You don't have the good sense to even post in the correct topic. Not surprising, you bought a Ford. You could have paid less and got more truck. Ouch!
What a laugh! Trying to convince people that you can't rebuild Toyota engines! This expert does not even know that the Tundra has an iron block. And he has never owned a Toyota - a real expert. And who does he have for backup - Chevy Shakerado owners. Hilarious!
The Tundra will out accelerate and outbrake any Ford F150. It has 4 inches more ground clearance, tighter turning radius, 5 year powertrain warranty, 32 valve DOHC Lexus derived engine, and a far more rigid frame.
Motor Trend did a comparison in their May '00 magazine. The Ford with 5.4L was compared against the Toyota Tundra, The Silverado with 5.3L and 4.1 gears, and the Dodge Ram with 5.9L. Toyota finished first - Ford finished last.
I feel sorry for you. The best thing you can do is dump that Ford quick and get a real truck - the Tundra. LOL
i saw a cool looking tundra today. it had dual exhaust and a bumper guard. sorta reminded me of the Daisy BB guns, you know the ones that are made to look like a .45 pistol but only shoot BB's. ha ha ha you guys and your pee-wee's crack me up.
The engine in the tundra has more ride time then the Ford. That gas pump was not built for the tundra, it was a lexus mainstream. Detuned 32 valve 4 oh/cam reaches higher torque and rpm long before Ford - ie more cubic gas guzzlin to keep close. I guess the truck working man is a little overwhelmed with the high tech stuff.
i had a '99 tacoma 4 cyl. that only got 4 mpg. more than my 5.3 chevy. hmmm makes you wonder what toyota is trying to prove. more technology, more buck, and a lot less truck. now they got ABS, whoa.....there's some new technology for ya. wonder what next years BB gun, i mean pickup, is gonna look like.
I think the discussion for Tundra vs. Big 3 spilled over here. Anyway, I thought the personal comments were funny until I went to a Sportbike vs. Harley discussion. Ok I should be talking about Tundra and ABS something!
did you choose ratboy3 or did you choose ratboy and being the third one, the computer assigned you ratboy 3? just curious and I know this has nothing to do with the Tundra. I am still fascinated with the name and why someone would call themselves ratboy.
haha.. rat are actually my initials. Yes my parents are circus clowns! ha! I added boy for the gender part. The 3 was added by the system. Apparently ratboy, ratboy1 and ratboy2 are taken!
Only onwers of ford trucks would bring up engine rebuild costs? wonder why - need to rebuild the engine? you bet. GM design for trucks woweee square easy to build in the good ole USA. Ford and Dodge have some looks GM is bad news a truck look only a mother could love.
Why did chevy keep its look? Cause thats what the customers wanted. The did surveys and found that. Its not a very radical design. At least they came up with their own designs unlike one company trying to make it the big 4.
Again, you are way off base, just like your truck buying judgement. It is too bad you have to bring an attitude here that makes everyone here dispise you.
Oh, and another thing, your posts, similar to your last one, only prove that Tundra owners get defensive of the facts. You provide no proof here that anyone is incorrect and you also provide no proof that you are correct.
I'll just add my $0.02 on Japanese rebuilds, as it applied to my Nissan Maxima experience....no one wanted to rebuild. Everyone in the biz stated there was too much complexity, too much labor, so you either cut corners, or could not make money. The preferred alternative was a replacement engine from a wreck. That's what we did.
By the way, what "did in" the first engine was electronics...faulty engine management computer retarded timing so far, the exhaust manifold glowed red hot, and it backfired through the intake. Started a fire on one occasion. Burned up hundreds $$$ of wiring and fuel injection components. Engine management computer was expensive also. Those items are NOT included in rebuilt engine price. They reuse all your accessories, injectors, intake manifold, computer, spark box.
So it happens, even on low mileage engines as that one was.
You can't talk facts to these Tundra guys. They can't handle the facts. They take the facts as insults and slams against their trucks and them personally. If I paid more money for a smaller, less capable truck, which is just as prone to failures as any other truck and costs more money to fix, I would probably be a little touchy of people pointing it out to me too. Poor Bamatundra.
Looks like you finally blew your cover, Dan. I wonder how long it'll take meredith to boot you, this time. A couple of facts for you: 1978 Toy p/u 20R Driven 380,000 grueling miles. Example: driven at high speed around motocross tracks for fun with 2 dirt bikes in the back. Driven consistently over rough 4WD roads (even though it was only a 2WD). Parts replaced: battery, tires, brake pads and shoes, water pump. All done by me at same cost as comparable domestic (blows that expensive part myth away). Engine replaced at 280,000 because of emissions(engine still ran great) Cost $300.00. No labor charge (I did it myself). Still have the truck, it runs great! Is 280,000 miles alot for a Toyota P/U engine? Of course not, it's only slightly above average. Average for a 20R-22R is 240,000 before requiring a rebuild. Yeah, lots of people drive them past that but start to burn oil. No one here with any comprehensive truck experience believes an average chevy will last that long without being rebuilt (eng and tranny). You'll get your savings account drained by all the other problems, anyway. The Tundra V-8 has a longer history of excellent and reliable service than the ford 5.4 and chevy 5.3 put together, and that is a fact, like it or not! If your happy with that Mexican built ford, great! I'm very happy with my american built Tundra, with it's high quality Japenese manufactured drivetrain.
I have not seen any facts from you big 3 buyers. Fact is your truck is slower. Fact is Toyota builds better cars - they did a survey on this..... Fact is your resale value sucks. Fact is old junk in a new skin. Now lets talk about the facts. Lets start by getting out the old blue book and check the resale facts - your truck depreciates to zero like a rock sinking in the lake.
My name is not Dan, regardless of what you and bamatundra have started to believe in your REM states. But, no nevermind. You two seem to be in your own little worlds.
My Ford was built in Norfolk, VA by American workers using American parts, by a Union that supports our American workers. You can't even "attempt" to slam with any kind of facts. Tundra may be assembled in the US, but with a majority of foreign parts, by lower wage earners (that should bring high quality), and most of the profits go back to Japan which hurts our US economy even further. Let's not even travel that road.
Your Toyota quality has no track record. All you have are the same stories of personal attestments that every other truck owner has to tell. I am not so naive that I don't see through the smoke screens. I read the same posts of Tundra problems that everyone else reads, here on Edmunds, and on several other boards as well and with only 100k or less Tundra's on the road, even half the amount I have seen is more on average than the American manufacturers.
Glad you have had a single experience outside the standard for Toyota. There are just as many of those experiences on the American truck side as well. But, hey, I am glad that helps you overlook the many downsides the Tundra has, which have been repeatedly, factually stated here, but ones which Tundra owners get defensive of because they know they are right.
Have fun in the desert. What branch are you serving?
Last time I checked, dealers couldn't give away the T100's and since the Tundra has not delivered as much truck as Toyota had anticipated, they are discounting them like crazy, which drastically lowers what they can sell the Tacoma for.
Resale on any Full size truck has been extremely good. Trouble is, the Tundra doesn't fit into the full size market, either. I can see the resale of the first year Tundra's being a repeat of T100 history.
Man that is so sweet you Chevy and Ford owners here to help us out. you think us poor Tundra owners need your help. Just be happy with what you got and give up you can't save us all!
You posted: "It is too bad you have to bring an attitude here that makes everyone here dispise you."
First of all it is spelled despise. Tsk. Tsk. Second: are you suddenly the spokesperson for this topic? You said "everyone". Hmm. A spokesman that doesn't own a Tundra, never owned a Toyota and therefore knows nothing about Tundra antilock brakes. Your ignorance is showing. Thirdly: Dan, you said that you despise me. That does not seem like a very Christian thing to say. What happened to turn the other cheek? Are all F150 owners hateful?
Now I know that you got stung on that F150 of yours. It must hurt knowing that not only Toyota but Chevy and DODGE rated higher than your wimpy truck. And to think - You could have bought a real truck - a Tundra. Just keep polishing that turd (or Ford) for us. It is good for a few laughs.
"Toyota quality has no track record." That is a laugh. Who won 2000 J.D. Powers award for initial quality in full size pickups. That's right - Tundra. And this is in its first year of production. Just keep posting your lies and misinformation. Maybe some other people as foolish as you will believe you, not Tundra owners. They know better.
Your constant whining and crying is getting old. Poor F150 - always being picked on. Why don't you try to act like a man for a change. If you had any cajones you would go to the Tundra vs. F150 topic. I guess that explains why you are staying here.
Pick up a copy of the Consumer Report buyer's guide and check out the "Used Cars to Avoid" and "Reliability Risks". See any Toyotas in there? The lack of Toyotas is why Toyotas sell, and sometimes command a high "Dealer Added Market Adjustment."
If you've been following the auto news at all you should be very upset. Ford has made a recent series of press releases. The subject: their gas guzzling trucks and SUV's. They realize that Ford's present line is built almost strictly for image devoid of any innovations to produce clean fuel efficient engines. Perfect example is the Ford valdez (excursion). A gas wasting behemoth marketed at white collars and upper class soccer moms. I find it ironic that ford has chosen to embark on a major engineering reforandum to redesign their trucks to be lighter, smaller and more fuel efficient in less than 5 years. The Tundra is already structurally stronger and weighs 500 lbs less the your "image" truck. The I-force engine meets and exceeds LEV standards and in real world testing by "Truck Trend" achieves the highest MPG. If demand shifts in favor of smaller more fuel efficient engines, it can be fitted with the V-6 or 2.7 4 banger with supercharger. Again, Toyota is already there and at least Ford is smart enough to see the writing on the wall and is changing, albeit slowly. So, for now, your stuck with a turck with dimensions based on image rather than sound engineering.
I went out and visited the USS George Washington, yesterday. It was ported in Dubai. I feel sorry for those guys and gals. Living conditions seemed pretty miserable. Any of you ex-Navy(quadrunner) guys have a different view?
Keep telling yourself all this crap you keep saying and maybe you will convince yourself that you know what you are talking about. Funny how a truck first year in it's making wins any kind of quality award. JD Powers has rated the Dodge trucks initial quality award for years, yet we all know where they rank against Ford and Chevy. I am glad you are so naive and stupid to believe all the hype about Toyota quality. Actually we should be glad there are stupid people like you to buy less truck for more money. It keeps the real truck makers, ie. Ford, Chevy, and even Dodge, making higher quality trucks with options that American truck owners want, such as little things like real bed room, roomy interior, real engine choices, fuel economy even "close" to a Ford, tow capacities of 8,300 lbs or better, more than a Tacoma sized rear differential with a locker or ls, it keeps going....and going....and going......
You are the most clueless person I have ever encountered. Of course, why else would you buy a Tundra - less truck more money. You are a Toyota Salesmans best billboard advertisement. You will believe any bull they tell you.
And another thing, can you give me the email address of this Dan guy? I want to contact him to get the scoop on you. He was obviously either someone that easily pushed your buttons or you had an unhealthy liking for him. You can't seem to get him off your mind.
I don't have to be a spokesman to read the posts here and notice that nobody here likes you. You must feel really good about yourself to be disliked by all those around you.
heres the plan ignore everything from now on EVERYONE. We are the only people keeping this topic alive let it die. Its not worth the frustration. Its like talking to a wall. I personally would rather talk to a wall. You can go on and on and on about options size and whatever. Only thing that can be replied is resale value or my truck is faster than yours.
Silence now no more bickering let the toyota people be.
Still no facts from big three just - our resell is still good. Ha you know you wasted cash the day you drove off the lot. Built in the usa by union so what - the day you drove it off the lot you gave your money to the union. Toyota has low wage workers - they are robots admitted dumber than union folk but they do it right everytime. The bottom line is you bought a truck that does not hold its value good mony sense? Now that we have your monitary IQ in place lets move on to the next facts.
Well, I am looking to buy a new truck and I am doing research on problems with the existing full size trucks. I click on the antilock brakes topic and what do I find? Nothing about antilock brakes. Is there a problem with Tundra antilock brakes? Are they failing? Why would the subject be in Edmunds if there wasn't a specific topic? Can anyone comment, please?
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Also, I'd have to say it's the domestic guys with a chip on their shoulder. They post over and over again in all the Tundra topics, berating and insulting Tundra owners. When the Tundra owners finally strike back and verbally spank them, they make a big fuss about it.
Quality is like night and day with gm ford and toyota i know this but ALL DOMESTIC trucks arent bad. My mom just got rid of an 87 blazer with almost 150K mls on it and no problems. I had a 92 S-10 (dad is driving it to work now) and it currently has 90K+ mls on it and no problems. I have many relatives (grandpa, 2 uncles) who drive toyotas and they are have done their job. Go to any parking lot in America and count the number of trucks. Chevy will out number toyota, ford will outnumber toyota, dodge will outnumber toyota. Why i do not know. Obviously with this many trucks out there they have a little bit of quality.
I dont know where your getting this berating and insulting (other than a few posts) from.
Ryan
If you have gone 280,000 miles on a Toyota engine without major problems, my hat is off to you, because that is not at all normal either. In fact, I am surprised that your truck is not in the Toyota Hall of Fame. Most imports that go the same miles as an American v8 engine without problems are the ones that are never worked hard and mostly driven like cars. Americans buy American trucks to work them. Americans buy Toyota trucks for leisure and play, not work. If I never haul, tow, or work my F150, I have no doubt it will go over 300k miles. Also, if you did ever have to replace an engine or transmission or god forbid, anything electrical, it would cost more to repair or replace those parts than the whole truck is worth. Toyota parts are ungodly expensive and rarely are import parts rebuildable with any kind of longevity built in. I would guess a 78 year engine "would" be cheap, if you can even find one worth buying. I am guessing you replaced a 22R engine, which has notorious problems with head gaskets, valvetrain, among other things. I am glad you didn't experience any of those problems as you say. You must have really babied that truck it's whole life.
Most import dealerships won't even rebuild an import engine because they can't warranty the work. They would lose too much money if they did.
Maybe the Chevy guys would be more civil if you Toyota guys were not so arrogant about a truck that has no proof or history to be any more quality than GM trucks. If Toyota put out even a 3rd of the amount of trucks as GM does, your Toyota quality would be even more rediculously overrated. I have seen very similar problems reported on all trucks, including Toyota. What makes you so blind to think that the Tundra is any better? Less than 100k units on the road so far and still they show their share of problems, just like any other truck.
From what I see here on Edmunds so far, the Chevy guys only report facts about the Tundra's smaller size (seems to be the largest complaint), less options, higher price. That is not debateable. Those are simple facts of the matter. Tundra owners seem to get defensive about that, claim that the Chevy guys are bad talking the Tundra and then go off name calling and in my case, creating some kind of beef with me comparing me to some other guy that the Tundra owners must have had problems with.
No, I still think it is the Tundra owners that have the chips on their shoulders and who cause more arguements in these topics. The Tundra owners seem to commonly reply with remarks that American truck owners don't belong here. Well, I am sorry to remind you that this is a public borad and we have as much right to be here as you have to be in a Chevy or Ford topic.
I agree with this. The tundra has been out how long? Chevy has been making their truck (c/k, silverados) for many many yrs. (you can also throw ford in there). Year of being around proves reliability and dependability. That is pur FACT. You cant dispute that
Ryan
4 runner is 90% japanese 10% other places in the world.
American made from foreign parts.
Ryan
Toyota engines, especially the aluminum block engines (not sure if the Tundra is aluminum block or not), do not take rebuilds very well at all.
How much would it cost to replace that Tundra engine at today's prices? I know the Camry and Avalon engines are almost 7k to replace, not including labor. I would guess a Lexus engine would be even higher in price. A Chevy 5.3l engine at most any place, complete long block, would be right at 3k, not including labor.
A Ford 5.4l is less than that. The Dodge 360 is even cheaper yet.
I won't claim to know everything about the imports because I don't buy them, but I have lots of friends that do and I have lived these facts through them. I have no reason to make anything up. I am secure in my truck choice. I have never had any major problems with my Fords, but even still, if the transmission dropped out of it tomorrow, I still would not regret my choice. That could happen to any truck made, even Toyota.
I highly doubt anything like that will happen,but even if it does, the experiences I have had with Ford dealerships and Ford themselves makes me confident that I would be well taken care of.
Tundra owners want everyone to believe that they bought their trucks with less options, capabilities and higher price because they are proven to have higher quality. That is just plain wishful thinking.
Well Dan, you have come to the wrong place. Remember "Thou shalt not lie" Or are you off that religious kick already?
Tundra owners know the truth. You don't have the good sense to even post in the correct topic. Not surprising, you bought a Ford. You could have paid less and got more truck. Ouch!
What a laugh! Trying to convince people that you can't rebuild Toyota engines! This expert does not even know that the Tundra has an iron block. And he has never owned a Toyota - a real expert. And who does he have for backup - Chevy Shakerado owners. Hilarious!
The Tundra will out accelerate and outbrake any Ford F150. It has 4 inches more ground clearance, tighter turning radius, 5 year powertrain warranty, 32 valve DOHC Lexus derived engine, and a far more rigid frame.
Motor Trend did a comparison in their May '00 magazine. The Ford with 5.4L was compared against the Toyota Tundra, The Silverado with 5.3L and 4.1 gears, and the Dodge Ram with 5.9L. Toyota finished first - Ford finished last.
I feel sorry for you. The best thing you can do is dump that Ford quick and get a real truck - the Tundra. LOL
exhaust and a bumper guard. sorta reminded me of
the Daisy BB guns, you know the ones that are
made to look like a .45 pistol but only shoot
BB's. ha ha ha you guys and your pee-wee's crack
me up.
...red
more than my 5.3 chevy. hmmm makes you wonder
what toyota is trying to prove. more technology,
more buck, and a lot less truck. now they got
ABS, whoa.....there's some new technology for ya.
wonder what next years BB gun, i mean pickup, is
gonna look like.
...red
Ryan
Ryan
My facts remain still.
Yeah, you have a lot of credibility.....
By the way, what "did in" the first engine was electronics...faulty engine management computer retarded timing so far, the exhaust manifold glowed red hot, and it backfired through the intake. Started a fire on one occasion. Burned up hundreds $$$ of wiring and fuel injection components. Engine management computer was expensive also. Those items are NOT included in rebuilt engine price. They reuse all your accessories, injectors, intake manifold, computer, spark box.
So it happens, even on low mileage engines as that one was.
A couple of facts for you:
1978 Toy p/u 20R
Driven 380,000 grueling miles. Example: driven at high speed around motocross tracks for fun with 2 dirt bikes in the back. Driven consistently over rough 4WD roads (even though it was only a 2WD). Parts replaced: battery, tires, brake pads and shoes, water pump. All done by me at same cost as comparable domestic (blows that expensive part myth away). Engine replaced at 280,000 because of emissions(engine still ran great) Cost $300.00. No labor charge (I did it myself). Still have the truck, it runs great! Is 280,000 miles alot for a Toyota P/U engine? Of course not, it's only slightly above average. Average for a 20R-22R is 240,000 before requiring a rebuild. Yeah, lots of people drive them past that but start to burn oil. No one here with any comprehensive truck experience believes an average chevy will last that long without being rebuilt (eng and tranny). You'll get your savings account drained by all the other problems, anyway.
The Tundra V-8 has a longer history of excellent and reliable service than the ford 5.4 and chevy 5.3 put together, and that is a fact, like it or not! If your happy with that Mexican built ford, great! I'm very happy with my american built Tundra, with it's high quality Japenese manufactured drivetrain.
Ryan
My Ford was built in Norfolk, VA by American workers using American parts, by a Union that supports our American workers. You can't even "attempt" to slam with any kind of facts. Tundra may be assembled in the US, but with a majority of foreign parts, by lower wage earners (that should bring high quality), and most of the profits go back to Japan which hurts our US economy even further. Let's not even travel that road.
Your Toyota quality has no track record. All you have are the same stories of personal attestments that every other truck owner has to tell. I am not so naive that I don't see through the smoke screens. I read the same posts of Tundra problems that everyone else reads, here on Edmunds, and on several other boards as well and with only 100k or less Tundra's on the road, even half the amount I have seen is more on average than the American manufacturers.
Glad you have had a single experience outside the standard for Toyota. There are just as many of those experiences on the American truck side as well. But, hey, I am glad that helps you overlook the many downsides the Tundra has, which have been repeatedly, factually stated here, but ones which Tundra owners get defensive of because they know they are right.
Have fun in the desert. What branch are you serving?
Resale on any Full size truck has been extremely good. Trouble is, the Tundra doesn't fit into the full size market, either. I can see the resale of the first year Tundra's being a repeat of T100 history.
Your truck is faster than mine? If i wanted speed i would have gotten a car.
Speed and blue book value yea these are really "important" facts
Ryan
an attitude here that makes everyone here dispise you."
First of all it is spelled despise. Tsk. Tsk. Second: are you suddenly the spokesperson for this topic? You said "everyone". Hmm. A spokesman that doesn't own a Tundra, never owned a Toyota and therefore knows nothing about Tundra antilock brakes. Your ignorance is showing. Thirdly: Dan, you said that you despise me. That does not seem like a very Christian thing to say. What happened to turn the other cheek? Are all F150 owners hateful?
Now I know that you got stung on that F150 of yours. It must hurt knowing that not only Toyota but Chevy and DODGE rated higher than your wimpy truck. And to think - You could have bought a real truck - a Tundra. Just keep polishing that turd (or Ford) for us. It is good for a few laughs.
"Toyota quality has no track record." That is a laugh. Who won 2000 J.D. Powers award for initial quality in full size pickups. That's right - Tundra. And this is in its first year of production. Just keep posting your lies and misinformation. Maybe some other people as foolish as you will believe you, not Tundra owners. They know better.
Your constant whining and crying is getting old. Poor F150 - always being picked on. Why don't you try to act like a man for a change. If you had any cajones you would go to the Tundra vs. F150 topic. I guess that explains why you are staying here.
I am glad you are so naive and stupid to believe all the hype about Toyota quality. Actually we should be glad there are stupid people like you to buy less truck for more money. It keeps the real truck makers, ie. Ford, Chevy, and even Dodge, making higher quality trucks with options that American truck owners want, such as little things like real bed room, roomy interior, real engine choices, fuel economy even "close" to a Ford, tow capacities of 8,300 lbs or better, more than a Tacoma sized rear differential with a locker or ls, it keeps going....and going....and going......
You are the most clueless person I have ever encountered. Of course, why else would you buy a Tundra - less truck more money. You are a Toyota Salesmans best billboard advertisement. You will believe any bull they tell you.
I don't have to be a spokesman to read the posts here and notice that nobody here likes you. You must feel really good about yourself to be disliked by all those around you.
Silence now no more bickering let the toyota people be.
Ryan
"Toyota has low wage
workers - they are robots admitted dumber than
union folk"
I dont know how to comment on this. This comment just pissed me off so much.
Question what do you do for a living? Seriously i want an answer.
Next comment have you ever taken an econ class? EVERYTHING DEPRECIATES. Everything but LAND. buildings vehicles equipment.
Ryan