Well, your experience hasn't been my Ford experience. My last Ford's rear blew up at 72,000, had head problems at 68,000 and needs a new engine at 120,000. I think Ford's are the best of the Big 3. But I always see Big 3 by the side of the road on the LA to Vegas run. Haven't seen a Toyota yet.
tundra_guy: Crying? Only from all the laughter from reading about all the naivity of Tundra owners.
obyone: Sorry. I think you have the same scarlet fever that Rwell and bamatundra have had. I have never owned a Tacoma. Anyone that knows me personally would get a hernia laughing at that comment. Camry? Not even in one of your stupors. I have never owned anything but Fords, and till I have one that craps a Tundra, I won't buy anything else.
makes sense dogster. 10 to 1 ratio hmmm common sense tells you why all you see is the big 3.
In the morning when i go to work i see maybe 20 silverados (model yr 99+) 20 fords and 20 dodges sometimes more but usually not less. How many tundras? 1. I come to work in the parking lot i see 9 silverados, 11 f-150's, 8 dodges. How many tundras? None but there are 2 tacomas.
Once again why is it on paper you Ford or GM is not a good long term finacial investment. Lets talk the facts - buy cheap up front and use the extra money for beer to ease the pain? That works for you. Ford is number one because they make a good cheap truck whats wrong with that. When you want something better you pay more for it i.e. a Tundra.
For as long as I can remember, people looked for anything made in Taiwan, Korea, China, Japan, etc. Stayed far far away from it because the products were made cheap and with slave labor. They still have an element of that name of use once then throw away. This is why reputable service shops won't recommend rebuilding a Toyota product. Even less reliable after a rebuild. Another reason why you will pay as much for a used Toyota engine from a junk yard as you will for a brand new factory fresh engine for any of the domestic trucks.
Have to appreciate all that Toyota quality.
With the record winning sales of the Tundra so far, I don't think Jimbo will have to worry about seeing too many Tundra's on the road. Jimbo will just have to be a blow in a less truck for more money Tundra.
Haha you have to pop the hood an unhook wires thats relaly good make sure you snip the right one or your truck is junk. At least chevy had some brains to put in a way to turn them off at the push of a button
Hey bozo, I think Toyota makes more trucks than just the Tundra - T100, Tacoma, pre-Tacoma, 4-Runner, Landcruiser. I see them towing but I don't see them sitting by the side of the road. And good luck on those self-destructing 5.4 short blocks. That's one of the big reasons I didn't buy an F150.
If you are referring to the piston slap, no engine failures have resulted from it at all. In addition, the piston slap has only affected 2% of all triton sales. Of those 2%, none resulted in any failure or performance problem whatsoever. Ford also has replaced those ps engines to the customer's satisfaction. No y2k and after engines even have the problem.
I never said that Ford's are perfect and without any problems. All trucks are prone to problems as any mechanical device is, even your midsize Tundra. But if you are wanting to throw about problems and discredit Fords, lets talk about all the Tundras with vibrations, access doors coming open w/door ajar lights continuously coming on, slow starting/turnovers, and so on. With only 100k units or less on the road, the number of complaints by comparison is way larger than 2%.
The Ford Triton engine has been on the top 10 best engine list for 3 years running. Havn't seen that so called high quality Lexus car engine of the Tundra even mentioned. Guess the Triton engine is rated a much better engine. Couldn't be.....
I would say you are throwing stones in a glass house. Your Tundra has no higher quality than the worst case scenario Ford, Chevy, or even Dodge.
As far as the Bozo commment, I have never been in the circus or even dressed in a clown suit. I think they reserve that to the real clowns that are full of jokes and make people laugh with everything they say. I would say you fit that bill pretty good. Maybe you should apply for the job. At least you would be getting some value out of making us all laugh, something you didn't get when you bought the Tundra.
You show your ignorance. None of the truck manufacturers make their own tires. Your Tundra uses the same tire manufacturers as Ford, mainly Firestone and Goodyear, some AM Generals on the lower end models. Check it out all wise one.
Don't sink to their level. Afterall, this is just a few idiots who do not have the good sense and courtesy to post to an appropriate topic. They are not representative of all big3 owners (Thank God)
Ford kills and cripples knowing full well it would happen, yet you steadfastly defend them. Your blind obedience is disturbing. Will you defend them from your wheelchair? Have you left instructions with your loved ones not to sue Ford?
There always seems to be miserable domestic owners. They got ripped off and can't get their money back, so they bad mouth our trucks. They can't stand that we love our Tundra's and are very happy with them. At least most of the domestic guys have the courtesy to suffer in silence without feeling the need to post ad naseum on every Tundra topic.
Lets see. Went back through previous posts. Seems that you like being the mouse in everyones pocket. Only thing I see you post is the same nonsense your fellow Tundra owners post, all defensive and lacking any consistency or substance. It's like the small guy in a gang fight, which I see almost daily. Biggest talker, least damaging fighter. Lets have the facts now little big man.
This is how gullable your fellow Silverado owners are. It's hilarious, redsilverado actually believes this.
"does that mean that you're not gonna buy another silverado? i sure this whole ordeal has been a heartbreaker for you and would probably leave anyone in a pissed of state of mind, especially towards GM for having let you go through what you have over these past months. it seems though that you like the new silverado and it's features. it also seems that if you wanted to buy another one that chevy would build you good one if you" ordered another one. when i bought mine i was told that a different than normal order number went in to the order system, which was to help insure that the truck got special attention on the line.
GM notifies customers of TSB's? Don't think so. Latest notice was recall for placing sticker on brakes to warn that the lines must be supported when working on brakes...a no brainer. I thought that it was absolutely stupid since they had so much other crap going on that needed to be fixed and they come out with something that any mechanic worth his salt would automatically do. Leave it to GM...
I can read none of the brands you used in your post are on my Tundra and did not come with the truck. So if I can look at my tires and the name firestone is not on them those are the facts. Ford seems to like firestone thats your problem not mine. Just as there are better trucks there are better tires so to keep a Ford truck or suv cheep use cheep.
you're really diggin' for bones now are'nt you? i feel for anyone who gets stuck with a lemon. i came here to see what you guys had to say about the tundra. and as always, it turns out to be nothing more than a bunch of arguments that never go anywhere. had toyota made the tundra with a longbed and extended cab i probably would have bought it. the year before i had a '99 tacoma and i worked the crap out of it and it never flinched. so being a believer in toyota is not the problem for me when coming to read up on the toyotas be it a tacoma or tundra. the problem here is that you guys act like a bunch of NERDS and get so defensive that it becomes natural to take shots at all of you.
oh yeah, "special number" was just what it was. the district manager was involved in the reorder and his connection did help in getting a truck that was not just slapped together like some of the chevys i've seen.
"Just as there are better trucks there are better tires so to keep a Ford truck or suv cheep use cheep."
You are blind, right? You actually have a driver to drive you around, don't you. You can't possibly look at a Toyota product and not see cheap (that is cheap, not cheep).
How about for starters, thin and uncomfortable seats without even lumbar support, cheap and tinny sounding stereos, thinner sheetmetal (so thin they didn't even need to use hood springs, but, "cheep" single support rod like a car hood), smaller dimensions at every corner (less sheetmetal and parts means "cheep"), no locking differential on a "supposed" TRUCK and the diff they did use was robbed from the even lighter and smaller Tacoma brother, hard "cheep" plastics on dash and interior fobs and knobs. Yeah, I am really jealous of all that high quality Toyota materials. So jealous that all I can do is laugh at your post even harder for you actually believing your Tundra has a higher quality fit and finish than a full size big three truck that have been making trucks to American's standards for over 50 years. Toyota had a chance to really take part of the full size market. All they did was shift their Tacoma buyers to buy the Tundra and weakened Tacoma sales. The Tundra is a nice alternative to the Tacoma, but nowhere near competitive to a full size truck. Now the sales figures reveal that to be true. Sorry. "Facts are facts".
That's right, F150 is a Tundra owner! He is actually a Tundra salesman also! He posts idiotic ramblings to Tundra forums to make F150 owners look lame. I know that it is a dirty trick for a Tundra owner to pull, but he sure is making all F150 owners look stupid.
He has already posed as a Chevy owner and totally embarassed them. I think he is the reason why Chevy sales have decreased 15% while Tundra sales have gone up. It is all about getting market share. Very effective, huh?
He will be coming back next as Dodgelightfool. He intends to totally discredit Dodge owners also.
Talk about a real clown you'er a big waste of time. Problem is you have no facts to back up your ignorance. you can't handle the facts. So you blow a lot of smoke. You know what, we don't buy it. If I got stuck with a ford. I would have a bad attitude like you do. You will help sell a lot of Tundra's. Dan you make absolutely no sense. all you can say is my truck is bigger than yours WOW what a fact. I hope you'er not a representative for Ford you will make everyone think they are as stupid as you. Sorry to say you have no credibility. What is your explanation ?
OK, let me put it in a way you can understand. Ford and Chevy appeal to a different class of buyers that can't tell quality if it hit them between the headlights. You guys really don't have a clue, do you? You probably think Cadillac is better than Lexus or BMW because it's bigger. Maybe you think McDonald's makes the best hamburgers because they sell more than the competition. You might even say that the Tundra is in the same class because it has a steering wheel and four tires etc. A Mazda Miata is about the same size as a Ferrari (same class???)Let's hear some facts and not some advice from a two year old!
that's right, you guys have finally broken me and now i see the light. today i'm gonna trade in my rado for a real truck. the "toyota tundra" is gonna be the truck for me. hopefully they'll have what i'm looking for. let's see, i need an extended cab with 8' bed, at least 285 HP, tow haul mode type transmission, tow package, dark interior w/bucket seats, etc.. man, i can't wait to go shoppin' cause i also know that right now with all the rebates goin' on that they'll probably trade straight across and actually give me some moolah to boot. thanks all you tundra guys for helping me see the light.
Yep, just as we all figured. Point out a few Tundra flaws, the Tundra guys know are all true, out come the flames and name calling. Guess you can't face the facts, huh?
Glad nobody has you fooled. Guess that means you will be holding on to that mid sized truck of lesser quality a little longer. That means the full size trucks will remain the best and most value for the money. As long as a few people still are naive and buy a Tundra on a Toyota sales pitch, the big three will continue to provide the American truck buyer what they want and ask for....a real full size truck with full size truck options, and for less money than those subcompact Toyota trucks.
Now since this truth is no doubt going to hit even more nerves, I expect more third grade comebacks and namecalling like the ones above.
You state that the Tundra uses one thin rod to prop the hood up. Wow! you really know a lot about the truck your bashing...please tell us more! Guess them firestone tires on you ford are giving you lots to be angry about, but why direct it at us?
I dont need to my truck doesnt need work under the hood haha only open that thing to dry in there after i wash it and check oil level which is always full.
Comments
tundra_guy: Crying? Only from all the laughter from reading about all the naivity of Tundra owners.
obyone: Sorry. I think you have the same scarlet fever that Rwell and bamatundra have had. I have never owned a Tacoma. Anyone that knows me personally would get a hernia laughing at that comment. Camry? Not even in one of your stupors.
I have never owned anything but Fords, and till I have one that craps a Tundra, I won't buy anything else.
In the morning when i go to work i see maybe 20 silverados (model yr 99+) 20 fords and 20 dodges sometimes more but usually not less. How many tundras? 1. I come to work in the parking lot i see 9 silverados, 11 f-150's, 8 dodges. How many tundras? None but there are 2 tacomas.
Ryan
Stayed far far away from it because the products were made cheap and with slave labor. They still have an element of that name of use once then throw away. This is why reputable service shops won't recommend rebuilding a Toyota product. Even less reliable after a rebuild. Another reason why you will pay as much for a used Toyota engine from a junk yard as you will for a brand new factory fresh engine for any of the domestic trucks.
Have to appreciate all that Toyota quality.
With the record winning sales of the Tundra so far, I don't think Jimbo will have to worry about seeing too many Tundra's on the road. Jimbo will just have to be a blow in a less truck for more money Tundra.
Ryan
I never said that Ford's are perfect and without any problems. All trucks are prone to problems as any mechanical device is, even your midsize Tundra. But if you are wanting to throw about problems and discredit Fords, lets talk about all the Tundras with vibrations, access doors coming open w/door ajar lights continuously coming on, slow starting/turnovers, and so on. With only 100k units or less on the road, the number of complaints by comparison is way larger than 2%.
The Ford Triton engine has been on the top 10 best engine list for 3 years running. Havn't seen that so called high quality Lexus car engine of the Tundra even mentioned. Guess the Triton engine is rated a much better engine. Couldn't be.....
I would say you are throwing stones in a glass house. Your Tundra has no higher quality than the worst case scenario Ford, Chevy, or even Dodge.
As far as the Bozo commment, I have never been in the circus or even dressed in a clown suit. I think they reserve that to the real clowns that are full of jokes and make people laugh with everything they say. I would say you fit that bill pretty good. Maybe you should apply for the job. At least you would be getting some value out of making us all laugh, something you didn't get when you bought the Tundra.
Good day sir.
there is most likely slippage around the tire
bead. ha ha ha
meredith, please total this topic, they do not
want to stay on topic so what's the use?
...red
Budlitedude, Budlitedude 1, 2, 3 ad nauseum.
"Just the facts Ma'am"
I alredy know your answer whyd i even ask. You will avoid it i know but still i thought id give you a shot.
Ryan
Lets have the facts now little big man.
"does that mean that you're not gonna buy another
silverado? i sure this whole ordeal has been a
heartbreaker for you and would probably leave
anyone in a pissed of state of mind, especially
towards GM for having let you go through what you
have over these past months. it seems though that
you like the new silverado and it's features. it
also seems that if you wanted to buy another one
that chevy would build you good one if you"
ordered another one. when i bought mine i was
told that a different than normal order number
went in to the order system, which was to help
insure that the truck got special attention on
the line.
GM notifies customers of TSB's? Don't think so.
Latest notice was recall for placing sticker on
brakes to warn that the lines must be supported
when working on brakes...a no brainer. I thought
that it was absolutely stupid since they had so
much other crap going on that needed to be fixed
and they come out with something that any mechanic
worth his salt would automatically do. Leave it to
GM...
i feel for anyone who gets stuck with a lemon. i
came here to see what you guys had to say about
the tundra. and as always, it turns out to be
nothing more than a bunch of arguments that never
go anywhere. had toyota made the tundra with a
longbed and extended cab i probably would have
bought it. the year before i had a '99 tacoma and
i worked the crap out of it and it never
flinched. so being a believer in toyota is not
the problem for me when coming to read up on the
toyotas be it a tacoma or tundra. the problem
here is that you guys act like a bunch of NERDS
and get so defensive that it becomes natural to
take shots at all of you.
oh yeah, "special number" was just what it was.
the district manager was involved in the reorder
and his connection did help in getting a truck
that was not just slapped together like some of
the chevys i've seen.
better tires so to keep a Ford truck or suv cheep
use cheep."
You are blind, right? You actually have a
driver to drive you around, don't you. You can't
possibly look at a Toyota product and not see
cheap (that is cheap, not cheep).
How about for starters, thin and uncomfortable
seats without even lumbar support, cheap and tinny
sounding stereos, thinner sheetmetal (so thin they
didn't even need to use hood springs, but, "cheep"
single support rod like a car hood), smaller
dimensions at every corner (less sheetmetal and
parts means "cheep"), no locking differential on a
"supposed" TRUCK and the diff they did use was
robbed from the even lighter and smaller Tacoma
brother, hard "cheep" plastics on dash and interior fobs and knobs. Yeah, I am really jealous of all that high quality Toyota materials. So jealous that all I can do is laugh at your post even harder for you actually believing your Tundra has a higher quality fit and finish than a full size big three truck that have been making trucks to American's standards for over 50 years. Toyota had a chance to really take part of the full size market. All they did was shift their Tacoma buyers to buy the Tundra and weakened Tacoma sales. The Tundra is a nice alternative to the Tacoma, but nowhere near competitive to a full size truck. Now the sales figures reveal that to be true. Sorry. "Facts are facts".
He has already posed as a Chevy owner and totally embarassed them. I think he is the reason why Chevy sales have decreased 15% while Tundra sales have gone up. It is all about getting market share. Very effective, huh?
He will be coming back next as Dodgelightfool. He intends to totally discredit Dodge owners also.
DBhull, aka budlightdude, aka Zbad71, aka budlightdude 1,2,3 aka F15fool - "Just the facts Ma'am"
Ford and Chevy appeal to a different class of
buyers that can't tell quality if it hit them
between the headlights. You guys really don't have
a clue, do you? You probably think Cadillac is
better than Lexus or BMW because it's bigger. Maybe
you think McDonald's makes the best hamburgers
because they sell more than the competition. You
might even say that the Tundra is in the same class
because it has a steering wheel and four tires
etc. A Mazda Miata is about the same size as a
Ferrari (same class???)Let's hear some facts and
not some advice from a two year old!
Ryan
now i see the light. today i'm gonna trade in my
rado for a real truck. the "toyota tundra" is
gonna be the truck for me. hopefully they'll have
what i'm looking for. let's see, i need an
extended cab with 8' bed, at least 285 HP, tow
haul mode type transmission, tow package, dark
interior w/bucket seats, etc.. man, i can't wait
to go shoppin' cause i also know that right now
with all the rebates goin' on that they'll
probably trade straight across and actually give
me some moolah to boot. thanks all you tundra
guys for helping me see the light.
....redtundra
maybe it was you made a good statement
a few days ago.
Ryan
Glad nobody has you fooled. Guess that means you will be holding on to that mid sized truck of lesser quality a little longer. That means the full size trucks will remain the best and most value for the money. As long as a few people still are naive and buy a Tundra on a Toyota sales pitch, the big three will continue to provide the American truck buyer what they want and ask for....a real full size truck with full size truck options, and for less money than those subcompact Toyota trucks.
Now since this truth is no doubt going to hit even more nerves, I expect more third grade comebacks and namecalling like the ones above.
Ryan
Ryan