I think we should ignore all the posts they put up. They can't seem to stay on topic. Sorry if you guys don't like your trucks but don't take it out on us.
get back on topic? girl scouts, boy scouts, Hell's Angels, who cares. instead of harassing you toyota guys, i would honestly like to know more about the ABS system that toyota incorporates on the Tundra. does it do the same thing when going over sharp bumps as my chevy does? by that i mean
does it give a chatter like feeling in the brake pedal? really would like to know more about this system if you guys can grow up for a minute or two and give a guy an honest answer.
like i said, i'm not in here to instigate, i in here cause i'm really interested.
Most of the Tundras don't have ABS or daytime running lights you can't have daytime running light with out ABS. It goes the other way to! I think that is the big point with the ABA brakes on the Tundra.
for anything more. thanks guys i was startin to wonder if i'd ever get an answer. BTW i even learned a thing or two. for one thing, i did not know that DRL's and ABS system were related. also as much as i like the chevy, it would be nice if GM would up their warranty package. actually they did in the form of, "buy it now or you'll be out of luck later". and that came through the mail 3 months after the purchase. with all the problems i read about on the '99 models, i almost canceled the order. so far i've had nothing to speak of in the way of defects, Knock on wood. LOL
so for now i just wanna say thanx and hope someone, and i think we know who we're talking about will get of the tundra bashin' in here.
I'm doing my best not to respond to inflammatory comments by a certain ford owner. I hope this is helping a little. I think that ABS on a truck could be very important with the bed empty on wet pavement. I do not have it and have the porportioning valve instead. It's a simple and reliable system, but not as accurate as ABS. Also, I perfer non-ABS when driving in mud and gravel.
Are you talking about brake chatter while normal braking on your Chevy when goin over a bump or when you're standing on it, using the ABS? As you probably know, "chatter" or an oscillating feel of the brake pedal is normal when the ABS kicks in and pumps the brakes for you. I have ABS on my Tundra but have no problems braking when going over bumps. I've demo'd the ABS for a couple of people but haven't had to use it in a fast/emergency stop, knock on wood.
yeah i learned about the pedal reaction the hard way. it's great that a chevy salesman did'nt have the knowledge to explain this to me. the brakes work great and have'nt put me in a bad situation as of yet. when i was looking for a bigger truck with ext. cab and 8 foot bed, i never saw anything indicating that the tundra had ABS systems. that's why this topic caught my curiosity. looks like numnuts has stopped his stupid posts too.
My truck came with the Dunlop Grandtreks. I replaced them early because they were awful. I worked out an arrangement with the dealer to exchange them for the Michelins.
Will you please further describe the situation you have with your ABS brakes when going over bumps. From your message in Post #326, it sounds a lot like a situation I have with my Tundra. Sometimes when I brake while going over rough pavement I get a very hard mechanical-type feedback through the brake pedal (the times I've noticed it, I've also being making a turn as well; could just be coincidence).
Are there any other Tundra owners that have had the same experience? (Some may have posted their experiences earlier, but if so I missed them because I've been quickly scanning over the prior messages due to all the crap that others have posted).
All the cars / trucks I have driven with anti-lock brakes have had a pulse in the brake pedal when the activate. But I would not consider it a hard mechanical feeling - more of a steady rapid vibration.
Question about anti-lock brakes.. When one front wheel starts to skid do both front wheels go into anti lock mode or only the one that is skidding? Are the front and rear brakes tied together or are the independent?
going over sharp bumps at certain speeds would cause the abs to engage. nothing scary though, especially after one realizes what's happening. brake pedal will clickety-click, drop down 1/2-3/4" and will still bring truck to a good controlled stop. since changing to the edelbrock shocks though, engagement of abs has not happened on the same bumps as with stock shocks. can't say enough about the edelbrocks as far as ride and control go though. where truck use to ride like stiff pogo stick, new shocks elimanated bounce completly. sorta figures though, since chevy put cheap General tires on truck, that shocks were probably 10.00 dollar items as well. if i had one gripe about chevy's new trucks, it would be the chincy items that they know owner has to replace.
red's explanation is similar to something i experienced before i swapped the junk tenneco shocks that come standard with the bilstein's that used to be standard. when braking over unever surfaces, the abs engages due to a perceived lack of weight on the rear end. the pedal vibrates and it feels like you're not braking at all. all told, it's only a split second, but if there is someone braking in front of you, it seems like a REALLY long split second. i haven't experienced this since i put the bilstein's on though. another thing...on wet pavement and in the snow, the abs is superb. i love the reassuring feel of a steady controlled stop, even when you plant the brake pedal. by the way, i drive a '00 silverado like red's. i didn't have the "secret number" but somehow managed to get a quality machine. 11k+ miles and all flawless...
fyi...i was reading through old posts in this thread...the back and forth you guys were having with f150rules sheds light on why you reacted to him the way you did on tundra vs. the big 3. i didn't know the history...kinda funny actually. prob'ly the same kinda thing we would see if we went back through the old tundra vs...topics. ANYways...in reading through the old posts, i read where you said that the locking rear diff is standard on chevy's, actually it's an option. one that i didn't get in fact. couple hundred bucks or so. *shrug* didn't know what it was at the time...and don't think i'll ever need it. that's what autotrac is for as far as i'm concerned. just thought i'd point out that it's not standard though...
hey guys don't think that i actually believe that chevy built me a special truck OK. to put this to rest, let me explain it this way. the order number that went through the line was a designated code to ensure fit and finish. just like when they built jay leno's 6.0L ride. nothing real special except to make sure product looked as good as it could and all nuts and bolts when rolling off the line. while i have'nt had a lick of trouble as of yet, i consider myself fortunate. other than fit and finish, this truck is just as prone to failure as anyone else who goes out and buys a new truck. a lot of the trucks i see on my ex and new dealers lot do have fit and finish problems that i would not have excepted. and if it was a "special" truck, then i should'nt have had to put different shocks on.
i might catch some criticism for this, but my '99 tacoma right off the lot was as perfect as a production unit could get. i just outgrew it.
I didn't realize I said that. I guess I was trying to say the locking diff was unavailable on the Tundra, but a standard option on the GM. BTW, I'm back home, jet lag and all!
kinda figured as much. you didn't weigh in on any of the fireworks cliffy and i got into over on tundra vs... interesting conversation going on over there now...
Why does a truck that costs as much as a Toyota not come w/ 4 wheel ABS and Discs standard? Also the grouped options that you must buy are infuriating!
Some people don't use the full capacity of a truck and prefer a smaller, easier to park truck. Buyers also believe an inflated sense of higher quality exists in Toyota's.
Its not a sense of higher quality its a higher resale value that explains the quality. When you take your Ford in to get new tires maybe you will get a sense of basic road safety but your resell value will not go up.
My truck has Goodyear AT's and have provided excellent performance and wear. Never had any Firestone tires on any of my Fords. As a matter of fact, Toyota uses those defective tires on the Tacoma. Known many friends that had them on 96,97,98,99, and 2000 year models. Why did they not become part of the recall? Because the tires affected by the problem with Firestone was not a Toyota related issue any more than a Ford related issue.
Looking at resale values for the T100 and an identicly equipped F150 of the same year, 1996, the F150 not only has a higher resale value, but better reliability and safety ratings as well, so your higher resale is crap too. Toyota will give you a higher trade in value for their Toyota because they will just make up the difference by breaking it off in your tail end with the price of the new purchase. Optional equipment that is standard on the big3 and costs twice as much to add too.
You can continue to make yourself feel better by thinking your Toyota will hold better resale, but you only fool yourself. Try trading a Toyota in at any big3 dealer and you will get what it is actually worth.....less than a real full size truck.
If Toyota's were so great and have such great resale, they wouldn't be the last in sales by a wide wide wide margin.
I have tried to trade a Toyota in at a Toyota dealership before - they offered $3,000 less than Chevy. That is one reason I bought a Tahoe instead of a 4 Runner (for my wife). It did not seem reasonable to pay thousands more, get thousands less for my trade and settle for a dog V-6. The Tahoe was my 1st GM vehicle in many years - I stopped buying them because of problems - the 98 Tahoe has been almost bullet proof. The great reliability of the 98 Tahoe is one reason I bought the 99 Silverado. So in a way the lousy treatment by one dealer cost Toyota 2 new truck sales. I am not saying Toyota is the only dealer to treat people like sh-t.
I forgot what stock tires my Tacoma came in with... I'm sure it wasn't Firestone... weak tires anyway (or maybe I drive like a maniac) I had to replace it sooner.. I think the stock tires were Trojans?!
I think not all models of the same make come out with the same tires. I have heard people say they have BF Goodrich on thier Tundra's. Mine has Dunlop.
FORD DOES HAVE A PROBLEM THEY KNEW YOUR LIFE WAS IN DANGER BUT DID NOT TELL YOU. I DO NOT MAKE UP RESELL NUMBERS THE BLUE BOOK DOES AND IF YOU DRAW F150 CHART IT IS WORTHLESS AFTER A 5 YEAR LEASE. IF CAR DEALERS ARE HOW YOU RATE QUALITY YOU ARE IN TROUBLE THEY ARE ALL CROOKS. TOYOTA MAKES A BETTER TRUCK BY THE NUMBERS FORD MAKES A BETTER TRUCK BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BUY EM ?
for the first time the ABS working on my truck.. I didn't realized how fast I was going approaching a curve.. I pressed on the brakes hard and hit a bump at the same time.. felt the pulse on the pedals.. Never driven a vehicle with ABS.. I'm guessing that is normal?!
no matter what make and model you drive... personally that is... was going down hill on a dirt road... again approached a curve too fast... I stomped on the brakes (to test the ABS)... truck stopped under my control (at least that's what I thought!) now looking up motorcycles with ABS... so far the beemers have them standard... and some of the Honda big bikes...
I visited a Toyota dealer today and test drove the Tundra. When I asked them about ABS, they went to the "floor manager", who proceeded to tell me they all came standard with rear wheel ABS. Further, he said the 4 wheel ABS was a special order item, and they didn't have any in stock. I can't find anywhere in the Toyota literature where rear ABS brakes are standard--does anyone know if this "manager" is shooting straight, or is he not being truthful? I did find one article on the internet that indicated the Tundra comes standard with front disk brakes, and rear DRUM brakes.
I visited a Toyota dealer today and test drove the Tundra. When I asked them about ABS, they went to the "floor manager", who proceeded to tell me they all came standard with rear wheel ABS. Further, he said the 4 wheel ABS was a special order item, and they didn't have any in stock. I can't find anywhere in the Toyota literature where rear ABS brakes are standard--does anyone know if this "manager" is shooting straight, or is he not being truthful? I did find one article on the internet that indicated the Tundra comes standard with front disk brakes, and rear DRUM brakes.
Tundra has a feature that helps prevent the rear wheels from locking up. This is a problem for pick up trucks when they have no load in the bed and need to stop fast. Since the weight of the truck is more on the front - without this feature the rear wheels would lock up long before the front wheels.
The vibrating feeling most Tundra owners get is not the ABS kicking in - it is warped brake disks and drums.
Pay no attention to Z - he is a poor unfortunate sap who got stuck with a Silverado. Now he has a raging case of Tundra Envy. Tundra brakes are actually the best brakes available on a full size pickup.
Quad has found two cases of warped brakes in 3 weeks! I'm shocked!
You gotta wonder why this loser feels the need to make Edmunds a mirror site for Tundrasolutions. Why is in in Tundrasolutions in the first place? Could it be Tundra Envy?
He doesn't own a Tundra - in fact he owns one of the biggest pieces of junk that Chevy ever issued - the '99 Shakerado. It is already ranked by Consumer Reports as a used vehicle to avoid. Good luck on him getting any money on his junker now that the word is out. Now all he posts is sour grapes.
If you want the real story - go to www.tundrasolutions.com You will get the whole story - not just the negative posts that this Chevy loser is searching for.
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Ryan
Ryan
Hell's Angels, who cares. instead of harassing
you
toyota guys, i would honestly like to know more
about the ABS system that toyota incorporates on
the Tundra. does it do the same thing when going
over sharp bumps as my chevy does? by that i mean
does it give a chatter like feeling in the brake
pedal? really would like to know more about this
system if you guys can grow up for a minute or
two and give a guy an honest answer.
like i said, i'm not in here to instigate, i in
here cause i'm really interested.
...red
wonder if i'd ever get an answer. BTW i even
learned a thing or two. for one thing, i did not
know that DRL's and ABS system were related. also
as much as i like the chevy, it would be nice if
GM would up their warranty package. actually they
did in the form of, "buy it now or you'll be out
of luck later". and that came through the mail 3
months after the purchase. with all the problems
i read about on the '99 models, i almost canceled
the order. so far i've had nothing to speak of in
the way of defects, Knock on wood. LOL
so for now i just wanna say thanx and hope
someone, and i think we know who we're talking
about will get of the tundra bashin' in here.
...red
I think that ABS on a truck could be very important with the bed empty on wet pavement. I do not have it and have the porportioning valve instead. It's a simple and reliable system, but not as accurate as ABS. Also, I perfer non-ABS when driving in mud and gravel.
way. it's great that a chevy salesman did'nt have
the knowledge to explain this to me. the brakes
work great and have'nt put me in a bad situation
as of yet. when i was looking for a bigger truck
with ext. cab and 8 foot bed, i never saw
anything indicating that the tundra had ABS
systems. that's why this topic caught my
curiosity. looks like numnuts has stopped his
stupid posts too.
...red
...red
Will you please further describe the situation you have with your ABS brakes when going over bumps. From your message in Post #326, it sounds a lot like a situation I have with my Tundra. Sometimes when I brake while going over rough pavement I get a very hard mechanical-type feedback through the brake pedal (the times I've noticed it, I've also being making a turn as well; could just be coincidence).
Are there any other Tundra owners that have had the same experience? (Some may have posted their experiences earlier, but if so I missed them because I've been quickly scanning over the prior messages due to all the crap that others have posted).
Question about anti-lock brakes..
When one front wheel starts to skid do both front wheels go into anti lock mode or only the one that is skidding? Are the front and rear brakes tied together or are the independent?
cause the abs to engage. nothing scary though,
especially after one realizes what's happening.
brake pedal will clickety-click, drop down
1/2-3/4" and will still bring truck to a good
controlled stop. since changing to the edelbrock
shocks though, engagement of abs has not happened
on the same bumps as with stock shocks. can't say
enough about the edelbrocks as far as ride and
control go though. where truck use to ride like
stiff pogo stick, new shocks elimanated bounce
completly. sorta figures though, since chevy put
cheap General tires on truck, that shocks were
probably 10.00 dollar items as well. if i had one
gripe about chevy's new trucks, it would be the
chincy items that they know owner has to replace.
...red
bco
bco
chevy built me a special truck OK. to put this to
rest, let me explain it this way. the order
number that went through the line was a
designated code to ensure fit and finish. just
like when they built jay leno's 6.0L ride.
nothing real special except to make sure product
looked as good as it could and all nuts and bolts
when rolling off the line. while i have'nt had a
lick of trouble as of yet, i consider myself
fortunate. other than fit and finish, this truck
is just as prone to failure as anyone else who
goes out and buys a new truck. a lot of the
trucks i see on my ex and new dealers lot do have
fit and finish problems that i would not have
excepted. and if it was a "special" truck, then i
should'nt have had to put different shocks on.
i might catch some criticism for this, but my '99
tacoma right off the lot was as perfect as a
production unit could get. i just outgrew it.
...red
bco
Looking at resale values for the T100 and an identicly equipped F150 of the same year, 1996, the F150 not only has a higher resale value, but better reliability and safety ratings as well, so your higher resale is crap too. Toyota will give you a higher trade in value for their Toyota because they will just make up the difference by breaking it off in your tail end with the price of the new purchase. Optional equipment that is standard on the big3 and costs twice as much to add too.
You can continue to make yourself feel better by thinking your Toyota will hold better resale, but you only fool yourself. Try trading a Toyota in at any big3 dealer and you will get what it is actually worth.....less than a real full size truck.
If Toyota's were so great and have such great resale, they wouldn't be the last in sales by a wide wide wide margin.
Ryan
now looking up motorcycles with ABS... so far the beemers have them standard... and some of the Honda big bikes...
The vibrating feeling most Tundra owners get is not the ABS kicking in - it is warped brake disks and drums.
You gotta wonder why this loser feels the need to make Edmunds a mirror site for Tundrasolutions. Why is in in Tundrasolutions in the first place? Could it be Tundra Envy?
He doesn't own a Tundra - in fact he owns one of the biggest pieces of junk that Chevy ever issued - the '99 Shakerado. It is already ranked by Consumer Reports as a used vehicle to avoid. Good luck on him getting any money on his junker now that the word is out. Now all he posts is sour grapes.
If you want the real story - go to www.tundrasolutions.com You will get the whole story - not just the negative posts that this Chevy loser is searching for.
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