I think you guys just need to accept the fact that your pick in this race did not win on this track on that day and it's as simple as that. I highly doubt there was any more conspiracy to mar the outcome here than there is in any other publicized car comparison. BTW, I notice no one got their feathers ruffled that the G35 finished behind the IS350.
Finishing on the tail of the IS350 is believable. Finishing 2 seconds behind Grandma's TL is slighter harder to believe.
My guess, he drove the TL before his liquid lunch, and the G and IS after.
The fact is, the TL Type-S does not compare in the power dept, but it handles the corners DAMN well. It's just not as fun to drive though, in my opinion.
I honestly wonder if the G was equipped with 4WAS but can't seem to find an English version of this anywhere.
Well, you're entitled to believe what you want. If you had read the entire thread on clublexus.com you'd see that the points you guys contended to be a reason for the difference in lapt times and a host of others were discussed and proven to be refuted by a few that read and understand Japanese.
BTW, that's a pretty slick ride Grandma has there.
Just read comparo on cars.com in which they said the tl-s handled like a "Cat on linoleum". Some guy in bimmer forum drove g, 335, is, a4, legacy, and tl-s on a journalist track day and said this: "With quad exhaust, and matte black wheels, it sure looked the part. Unfortunately, it was completely out of place on the track. The front-wheel-drive chassis had tons of understeer and it plowed around with very little sensory feedback through the steering wheel. The brakes gave me zero confidence, and were hard to modulate. In addition, the bolstered seats did not hold me in - I was fighting to stay behind the wheel as I cursed the FWD platform. On the bright side, the engine had plenty of power once it was going. Bottom line: The Acura may be fast on the street, but it sucks on the track." I think it takes a guy with balls the size of grapefruits to wring out the TL. A guy who is perectly fine going 100MPH sideways...someone named "Drift King" might do it. I doubt many people have the set to plant the gas and let the LSD pull that car around the track like that. BTW...while they look well bolstered, the new seats in the tl-s look terrible with those horizontal lines all over. My 04's seats were much much nicer. Now if I can just figure out how to load a picture here I'll post one of my 04 tl, 05 s2k, and 07G35S lined up">link title. I'm honda-biased, you might say.
John, Toss your photos on someplace like www.photobucket.com, and then copy the URL link to the picture. You can put that url to your picture in your post here. Then, highlight it and click the URL button. You then have added a pic to your thread.
Thanks Scott...hope this worked. Unlike I'm sure some opinions here I'm far from biased toward my pick. One more thing, i'm glad hte G can actually turn around. Having a TL means mastering a K turn since the turning circle is about that of my girlfriend's Pilot. "><img src="http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t69/jhrner/?action=view¤t=DSC01217.jpg"
Ooops... You know...I wonder if the wheels from the s2K will bolt onto the G...they are no doubt lighter. Same EXACT tires..size stagger and all. link title
It might be easier to post your pics on your CarSpace page. Then you'll be able to use the code generated to either display or link to them in your posts.
OOPS ! ! TL went back yesterday...50 mile ride. I never realized how much road noise there was in it...no wonder type-S runs active noise cancellation. Overall really good car (I put 45K on it), but again, not even close to the G in anything other than maybe comfort. The instant power of the G has to be experienced to be understood. Guy on bimmer forum said at times it felt more powerful and faster than 335...although he chose the bimmer. Hand-stitched steering wheel in G is sensational...even better than my friend's A-spec wheel. P.S. Check those R&T measurements..other than heavy throttle (Good noise), the G is as quiet or quieter than the IS...good stuff.
I just saw a TL-S Type on the street today. It’s time for Acura to make some changes. The car looks pretty antiquated now and it certainly doesn’t look like a $30K + car.
Might it have been the S version of the second generation? That does look dated to me. I haven't seen the current S version, but is it much different looking than the non-S type?
If you go to any Acura dealer you will usually find about 6 G35's. That tells me they are being traded in for the TL, which I own. I like the front end and side styling of the Acura, but the rear end of the infinity. Bottom line is the TL is a Honda and the G35 is a Nissan. So I would go with the TL-
Nobody was more stunned than me. Set it to 70 mph and just drove. Instant read spent a good amount of time over 40, but the average was less. Note that this was reset to start reading while at speed on the highway and checked before getting off, so this was strictly at speed highway mileage. (approx 30 minutes)
"looks" wise only- the S model also has chrome accents on the front grill and a different under body kit than the regular TL. note- I'm not referring to the A-Spec package- that is something totally different.
While I don't doubt that the TL can get 35+ when driving modestly like you were doing, the most accurate readings come from trips that use much more fuel.
You're pretty much off base...unless you have seen a bunch of used 07 G's on a lot...doubtful. The redesign of the G, while slight on the outside, is about as radical as the redesign of the 03 TL to the 04 (Both of which I have owned...well leased). Back in o4 when I drove them both (Along with legacy), the TL had it..hands down. The situation is flip-flopped for 07...I'm sorry if that doesn't ring so well with people. This 3.5 V6 turns like 7600 rpms...that's only about 500 shy of my 2.2 liter S2K. One blatently ugly thing about the current tl are those hideous clear tail lights...unless of course you have a 1995 civic...then god bless you. As far as info on the TL...I got it form my driveway (See previous picture link) Truly bad thing on the G is the MPG..I think they will put a higher (Lower numerically) rear in it next year to deal with all the complaints...it's a torque beast..no need for such low gearing.
Type S seats are horrendous...unless, of course, you want your seats to look like a mustangs...ie retro. On a better note, maybe the leather will ear better than my 04...which wore shamefully.
It's a torque beast..no need for such low gearing.
Yeah, my next purchase should be a neck collar. The snap from starting is rediculous... still trying to get used to the power under the pedal when starting off.
Girlfriend calls it "Jerky" lol. Much more controllable with 6mt I'm sure. Have you noticed the auto trans is ready to run hard at a moments notice. I take a turn, goose it a little (Cracks me up how easily the slip light comes on), then it holds first like I want to run...even with no throttle input at all....talk about smart. I started tapping the right paddle to upshift it when I play like that (Admittedly, the car has trouble reading my stupidity!!) Can't completely disable the ESC..I guess much like the IS. My smiles turned to frowns the first donut I tried only to have it push me wide...Damn thing only lets you brake-torque the motor to about 2500 rpms if you ever want to drag race someone. I practiced that after a hemi daytona charger got me out of the hole by about 1 1/2 lengths. By 75 I caught and passed him..this thing really is fast.
I like how if I come into a corner and let off the gas a little, it knows enough to drop a gear and hold it until I'm out of the corner and accelerating again. Seems to know right where I want to be before I want to be there. Definitely wants to run. I really wish I had a "Grandmother" switch for when the wife was in it. I could pretend it's just a smart "Dad's" car when she's in it, but from the sound of the exhaust note and the snap from starts, she knows I bought more than a "Dad's" sedan.
That's really funny..I couldn't agree more. Sub Legacy (The limited edition one) has something like that. I was just reading new gsxr1000 does also. Of course, M5 as well. With todays tech, it's only a matter of time before we click and pick...horsepower....economy....towing.....etc. It already exists in the aftermarket...especially for the big diesels.
You wrote "A note on the G, the seats are more adjustable, and the steering wheel is both tilt able, and telescopic, unlike the TL"
I didn't know that TL's steering wheel isn't tilt able and telescopic? hmmm, I need to check my car again maybe its a hyundai. :P
ooh I know maybe its my neighbor's TL(4 cylinder) sir william hill R&T : "The new Infiniti G35 Sport was the odds-on favorite coming into the test. It’s the newest of the bunch, it possesses the strongest engine (tied with the Lexus), and it has distinct sports-car roots, sharing its drivetrain and platform with the Nissan 350Z. However, it brought up the rear here, being soundly pummeled by the Lexus and losing out to the less-powerful Acura.
"Smooth and quiet" G35 As impressive as the engine is, the rest of the drivetrain isn’t up to the same standards. A high amount of vibration resonates through the 6-speed manual gearbox, and the take-up point of the clutch is like an on/off switch, making it nearly impossible to leave the line smoothly.
The pedal engagement feel for the clutch is poor. And because of this, even though we usually applaud cars that come with manual transmissions, I’m thinking that I may prefer this one with an automatic" The major complaint is the steering, which is a bit numb and heavy. 2 seconds faster? I'm speechless
Since you read back 70 posts..maybe you should have read a few more : #377 of 447 Re: G35 all day long [hauss] by johninnj Apr 23, 2007 (12:18 pm) Bookmark | Reply Replying to: hauss (Apr 23, 2007 12:07 pm) Know what's funny..I forgot the wheel telescoped (I just went outside and checked). Sorry for the bad info!!!. I think I'm still mad at acura for giving me a key AND a remote when even the pilot has it integrated into one. Add that to giving the tsx blinkers in the mirrors (Love that feature), and it seems they play their cards carefully considering they offer 3 mid-upscale sedans.
2 secs is a lifetime. Few tenths...sure. There will be another test that straightens that out...rest assured. BestMotoring has one where the G beats the IS and the 335 (Legacy also), but the track is wet. Not sure why no acura in that test. As for the complaints with the 6mt...mine is auto...so I don't share those issues. The funny part is people are arguing about a car on it's way out Vs a car that has just been redone. As far as the cars looks...Love the TL's side and rear...front is terribly boring (Screams Honda). Since that's subjective...I'm sure the young kids like the clear/smoked tail lights.
Let me try to explain this to you the best I can. I just got out of an acura TL that I had for a 42 month lease. Since only myself, or rarely the girlfriend, would drive it, there was never a need to adjust the steering wheel. It has not been adjusted since late 2003. So I forgot...and quickly corrected myself once it was pointed out. A thousand pardons...please ! ! Now, the G raises it and moves your seat back upon turn the car off..so it's in your face daily..not an easy overlook...Oh yeh, it does all this while your key remains in your pocket...good stuff.
I wouldn't go so far as to say the G's styling is effeminate, but I've never really taken to its styling, even though the '07 is a significant improvement.
I think people think the TL looks dated only because they've seen so many of them for a few years now. If the TL were to be introduced today, as a brand new model, I think people would still gush over its styling
Just curious, but what part of the TL's front end "screams Honda"? Does it look like the Accord? No. The Civic? No. Pilot? No. S2000? No. Odyssey? Maybe a little. So does that count as "screams Honda"? Unless you're point is that Honda and Acura are the same company. Then I could say the G front end screams Nissan.
The effeminate comment was kinda stupid..so I didn't even respond to it. Front of TL is Honda in that it is conservative...not offensive, not impressive. Sharp rear lines..aggressive side panels...with a boring front end. They're learning...New MDX and RDX have bold front ends...i'm sure the TL will follow suit.
Styling is....subjective, of course, but front of TL is conservative? Those mean-looking headlights? The TL's face looks like it wants to bite off a couple of Gs and spit them out! :P
The only minor complaint I have about the TL's styling is that the standard 17" wheels look a tad undersized.
For the record, I don't care much for the MDX and RDX front ends.
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Since the G in the comparison had a manual tranny, then we can safely assume that it was the sport model right?
The link I found was in Japanese, so I read it for the pics :P
Finishing 2 seconds behind Grandma's TL is slighter harder to believe.
My guess, he drove the TL before his liquid lunch, and the G and IS after.
The fact is, the TL Type-S does not compare in the power dept, but it handles the corners DAMN well.
It's just not as fun to drive though, in my opinion.
I honestly wonder if the G was equipped with 4WAS but can't seem to find an English version of this anywhere.
BTW, that's a pretty slick ride Grandma has there.
I think it takes a guy with balls the size of grapefruits to wring out the TL. A guy who is perectly fine going 100MPH sideways...someone named "Drift King" might do it. I doubt many people have the set to plant the gas and let the LSD pull that car around the track like that.
BTW...while they look well bolstered, the new seats in the tl-s look terrible with those horizontal lines all over. My 04's seats were much much nicer.
Now if I can just figure out how to load a picture here I'll post one of my 04 tl, 05 s2k, and 07G35S lined up">link title. I'm honda-biased, you might say.
Toss your photos on someplace like www.photobucket.com, and then copy the URL link to the picture.
You can put that url to your picture in your post here.
Then, highlight it and click the URL button.
You then have added a pic to your thread.
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You know...I wonder if the wheels from the s2K will bolt onto the G...they are no doubt lighter. Same EXACT tires..size stagger and all.
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You posted correctly, but used the "URL" tag instead of the "Img" tag, since this is a ink to an image.
TL went back yesterday...50 mile ride. I never realized how much road noise there was in it...no wonder type-S runs active noise cancellation. Overall really good car (I put 45K on it), but again, not even close to the G in anything other than maybe comfort. The instant power of the G has to be experienced to be understood. Guy on bimmer forum said at times it felt more powerful and faster than 335...although he chose the bimmer. Hand-stitched steering wheel in G is sensational...even better than my friend's A-spec wheel.
P.S. Check those R&T measurements..other than heavy throttle (Good noise), the G is as quiet or quieter than the IS...good stuff.
1.) Quad Exhaust tips
2.) Butt-Ugly dark gray wheels
3.) Badges inside and out
4.) A tail lip spoiler on the trunk
Take it from an Accord owner who has gotten 6 MPG ABOVE epa HWY estimates, it is possible when driven very conservatively STRICTLY highway.
Set it to 70 mph and just drove.
Instant read spent a good amount of time over 40, but the average was less.
Note that this was reset to start reading while at speed on the highway and checked before getting off, so this was strictly at speed highway mileage. (approx 30 minutes)
The Type-S did not fair as well though.
But, yeah, it happened.
Mechanically- different story vs. the regular TL.
Obviously, this is subjective but the rear end setup of the G is butt ugly. Well- go ahead and add the interior to that as well.
Both ways?
Think what you want, but it's no exaggeration.
Keep in mind that I'm talking about the TL.... the car I didn't choose.
Yeah, my next purchase should be a neck collar.
The snap from starting is rediculous... still trying to get used to the power under the pedal when starting off.
Seems to know right where I want to be before I want to be there.
Definitely wants to run.
I really wish I had a "Grandmother" switch for when the wife was in it.
I could pretend it's just a smart "Dad's" car when she's in it, but from the sound of the exhaust note and the snap from starts, she knows I bought more than a "Dad's" sedan.
I didn't know that TL's steering wheel isn't tilt able and telescopic? hmmm, I need to check my car again maybe its a hyundai. :P
ooh I know maybe its my neighbor's TL(4 cylinder) sir william hill
R&T : "The new Infiniti G35 Sport was the odds-on favorite coming into the test. It’s the newest of the bunch, it possesses the strongest engine (tied with the Lexus), and it has distinct sports-car roots, sharing its drivetrain and platform with the Nissan 350Z. However, it brought up the rear here, being soundly pummeled by the Lexus and losing out to the less-powerful Acura.
"Smooth and quiet"
G35 As impressive as the engine is, the rest of the drivetrain isn’t up to the same standards. A high amount of vibration resonates through the 6-speed manual gearbox, and the take-up point of the clutch is like an on/off switch, making it nearly impossible to leave the line smoothly.
The pedal engagement feel for the clutch is poor. And because of this, even though we usually applaud cars that come with manual transmissions, I’m thinking that I may prefer this one with an automatic"
The major complaint is the steering, which is a bit numb and heavy.
2 seconds faster? I'm speechless
Couldn't agree more. Also kind of effeminate looking ??? Huh? Yea? Acclimation?
#377 of 447 Re: G35 all day long [hauss] by johninnj Apr 23, 2007 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: hauss (Apr 23, 2007 12:07 pm)
Know what's funny..I forgot the wheel telescoped (I just went outside and checked). Sorry for the bad info!!!. I think I'm still mad at acura for giving me a key AND a remote when even the pilot has it integrated into one. Add that to giving the tsx blinkers in the mirrors (Love that feature), and it seems they play their cards carefully considering they offer 3 mid-upscale sedans.
That happens, you just reminded me of a friend (Bill H.)
I think people think the TL looks dated only because they've seen so many of them for a few years now. If the TL were to be introduced today, as a brand new model, I think people would still gush over its styling
The only minor complaint I have about the TL's styling is that the standard 17" wheels look a tad undersized.
For the record, I don't care much for the MDX and RDX front ends.