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We're Screwed: EPA Says Tailpipe Emissions Contribute To Climate Change (Straightline)
Glad to see Edmund's realizes the truth that we are being sold a bill of goods. I hate to say I told you so. But I told you so. The powers will not be happy until you are in a cave with a bike to ride. That is for the wealthier middle class. The rest will be barefoot and walking.
I guess all the other uses for CO2 will also be outlawed. You guys want to draw up a list of things that will have to cease ? Could be fun.
Ah, the joys of the Laws of Unconsidered Consequences.
If this stuff wasn't so pathetically stupid it would be funny. :mad:
"While greenhouse gases come from many sources, the EPA limits its oversight to sources with annual carbon dioxide emissions of emitting 25,000 tons or more. So while automakers and power plants could be regulated, there are no reported plans to slap carbon taxes on livestock operations and other small emitters."
Ruling Opens Door to National Regulation of Automotive CO2 Emissions
"While recognizing that "autos account for 20 percent of man-made CO2 emissions in the U.S." and acknowledging that "our job is to get cleaner, more fuel-efficient technologies on the road quickly," the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers said in statement that the Obama administration must now "reset the debate to address the environment and today's economic realities."
Auto Industry Response to EPA Greenhouse Gas Finding: 'OK, Let's Talk'
Both stories and the lovely graphic courtesy of Green Car Advisor.
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Are places (with volcano's) like Yellowstone National Park, the state of Hawaii, WA state, going to be declare wholesale "pollution" SUPER FUND sites?
And let's not forget water. 8000 deaths each year from accidental overexposure. :surprise:
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Now then, where would we start, I wonder ? I think I can guess...............
Actually, whether we are here or not, the planet will still chug on its merry way through the continuum, doing exactly what its been doing for the last few billion years. So we'd not be saving the planet, just reducing our tax burden.
Please don't try this at home.
Back in the day (late 60's early 70's... so .....40 years ago...) we studied and analyzed "DIEBACK" proposals ! Just the very thing you "hint" @ !!! So me thinks just a dusting off of the covers and a few updates.Good to GO !? :lemon: Some of those proposals made Hitler look like a back woods pioneer !! Most don't know this but Joe and Mao (of the Josef Stalin, USSR, the Chairman Mao Tze Tung modern day emperor of China fames) together die backed a min of 24 M EACH (of their own) folks (50 M) after WW2. :sick:
So truly, do not try this at home, do NOT adopt these policies.... etc.
Here's a greenhouse gas friendly car that's sure to cause a row:
HumanCar is Back With a Grid-Rechargeable NEV - People Still Needed (Green Car Advisor)
As the host I would surmise you have better access to this kind of information/history, but exemptions are granted all the time to/in car building. Good/bad, depending on point of view most bad
In other words part of the reason why cars that actually are on the market with such little fuel mileage is because it has to meet good to ridiculous fuel robbing standards. So given your posted picture, what would be the costs in (mpg) being able to meet current roll-over standards without exemptions? Another is almost all automakers who run DRL's daylight running lamps, applied for and got up to 9% fuel mileage exemption for the DRL requirement. Now keep in mind ANYONE can turn on their own lamps?????????
Keep in mind the theory of most of the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
So for example on the 03 TDI which gets 50 mpg, would 9%, 4.5 mpg, or 54.5 mpg be better or worse than 50 mpg (as good as that is) ?
Nothing special about my knowledge or access. I just get the red type behind my name because I have a dustpan (and I know how to use it).
The big gains are going from a fleet average of 15 to 20mpg, not from 50 to 54 mpg. (I don't recall what the CAFE fleet mpg is, but you get my drift I hope).
OK !
I would agree partially! The difference between 15 to 20 is 33%. Being as how the majority of the passenger vehicle fleet gets that, if they can roll it from theory to reality, that is nothing short of a miracle. It just really indicates the lack of seriousness when they poo poo the low hanging fruit so to speak. If you stay within gasser parameters this is HUGE also. It is as big as like model gasser to diesel comparisons.
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Here is a Stalin stat
with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.
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Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 40 000 000
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/20/thin.global.warming/index.html
The EPA has already proposed taxing farmers who's cows break wind. Can we humans be far behind?
No more beans for you. :mad:
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Fatties cause global warming
THE rising number of fat people was yesterday blamed for global warming.
Scientists warned that the increase in big-eaters means more food production — a major cause of CO2 gas emissions warming the planet.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2387203.ece
United Airlines is charging double for fat people to fly.
Urbanski said those passengers who are unable to comfortably fasten a safety belt with one extension, or sit comfortably with armrests down, will be moved next to an empty seat on board the same flight at no charge if possible. If no empty seats exist, the passenger can be denied boarding, or taken off the flight – and put on the next flight on which space is available – at double the charge.
http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/4206947.php?contentType=4&contentId=3833137
Not going to be a good year for those that are overweight. Aside from eating more CO2 producing food the probably exhale more. We will know more when we are all mandated to wear a GHG counter over our two major openings. :sick:
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San Diego has announced that they are starting a new city-wide incentive program in July for residents who want to install solar panels, but don't have the cash to pay for it up front. The city will finance the cost of the solar panels and allow homeowners to pay back the loan in property tax bills over 20 years.
This new incentive program takes advantage of a statewide law that allows loan programs for renewable energy to be paid back through property tax payments. Berkeley and Palm Desert have also enacted similar programs for their residents.
The loans will have a fixed interest rate and are transferrable if property is sold during the life of the loan.
Many more people would be willing to install solar power on their property if the initial cost wasn't so high. Programs like these could really increase the amount of residential solar in the country if more cities and states offered them. It seems to be an easy investment for cities to make, with potential for a great payoff, both through the interest money the city would collect and the advancement in renewable energy being generated.
What a great idea !!!
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GM did this a few years back. They gave some company access to a couple of big factory or warehouse roofs, and the company put solar panels up. They sell the power to GM. GM gets cheaper power with no capital outlay.
Participants would agree to be annexed into a special assessment district as the legal mechanism for adding the solar-loan repayment to their property tax bills. Over the two-decade span of their loan, the average cost would amount to about $150 a month.
I have never had an electric bill on this house that was that high. It was 95 degrees today and we did not use the AC. It did not get uncomfortable until late this afternoon. By then it was cooling outside and we opened the windows. If the Feds were really interested in cutting CO2 they should finance and give big tax rebates on Solar. Unless it is just another form of corporate welfare like Corn Ethanol.
I'm not impressed. When the systems get down to $10k and they carry a $5k tax credit I would consider installing. Though I still have the neighbors trees blocking the sun especially in the winter. I would be surprised if it saved 30% on the electric bill.
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Meanwhile "summer sea ice around the North Pole shrank in 2007 to the smallest since satellite records began in the 1970s."
Reuters
I don't know why Reuters said 2007 - the Arctic ice is still shrinking.
Arctic sea ice at its thinnest ever going into spring (Anchorage Daily News - Anchorage is hosting a circumpolar climate change conference this week).
Thanks for the link, it is hilarious. The article said that man made global warming, while causing the ice to DECREASE in the Arctic...has actually caused the ice to INCREASE in the Antarctic !!!!
Very funny, and typical of the way they try to twist the facts ! If the earth was suddenly covered by ice they would still be saying it was caused by global warming !
Please keep that link up there so I can refer back to it from time to time.
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Cold? GW
Hot? GW
Sahara Desert? GW
ICE Cream? GW
Beer? GW
Wine? GW
Cheese? GW
Bread? GW
CO2? GW
No C02? GW
Solar? GW
No Solar? GW
The rules, many still to be developed, will be implemented beginning January 1, 2010, with the amount of fuel consumed in the state that year to be the baseline for measuring the amount of low carbon fuel that must be added to the state's transportation fuels mix by 2020.
Schwarzenegger issued the executive order requiring a statewide low carbon fuel standard (LCFS) more than two years ago. "
California Regulators Approve World's First Low Carbon Fuels Standard (Green Car Advisor)
I thought you'd like that part. Assuming that the hammer falls on the corn-style ethanol that is. Maybe there's something to this algae stuff?
I think with the right bump in stimulus money, NG cars could be all over. They are "relatively" common in the interstate corridor around Salt Lake City.
For solar, just get two battery packs and swap 'em out every night. Just think how buff you'll get picking up a couple of battery packs every day.
Automakers Raise Questions About Better Place's Battery Swap Model (Green Car Advisor)
I like Natural Gas a lot. Just the limited range and lack of infrastructure. That and I would hate to have to stop every couple hundred miles to fill up or switch batteries. It may come to that.
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This may be a better link btw - I had trouble with yours.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12222237?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.merc- urynews.com
The state should wave all permit fees and kick in 50%. Then throw any dealer in jail that tries to gouge the buyers. That is if they are serious about solar energy. I think it is all a big scam at this point. Before I could put in solar I will have to buy my neighbors home and cut down a forest of trees. Which I may do as she is considering selling and moving to Florida with her son.
It would be hard to argue with your quote.
..."I think it is all a big scam at this point"...
The rest of the post is a minor foot note.
Let's see, based on my last month's electrical bill of $33.21 mo/$11,737, it would take me 353 mo/12 mo-yr = 29.5 years, as a min to break even. This is JUST to pay for the permits. The equipment is another $20-30,000 dollars.............. :lemon: That's the good news!!?? How many will have another flawless trouble free 30 years?
But as the article points out, but does not explain; the only one that makes ANY sense is the:
..."An 8-kilowatt system valued at $74,000, which is roughly twice the size of a solar system on a typical home."...
So anybody can divide $74,000/ $33.21 prt mo??? /12mo= years + 29.5 years?
But don't forget that good green feeling you would get...priceless !!
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Here in AZ it's affordable, providing you have the $5K-$6K up front to spend.
For that kind of money you could probably install enough solar to charge a small flashlight. Hardly worth it.
Didn't you say you spent around 16K on your system?
That's the problem with these "green" technologies, the scam artists and the crooked bureaucrats ding you for their "cut". It drives the cost up to the point that IF you have 5K to spend you'd be better off putting a down payment on a hybrid car.
I can understand the solar installers trying to rip you off, after all they're just greedy capitalists. I don't get why the government thinks they can prey on you too. They're suposed to be the ones helping you...and the environment.
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..."The director of the White House military office, Louis Caldera, took the blame a few hours later. One of the planes was a 747 that is called Air Force One when used by the president....
...The director of the White House military office, Louis Caldera, took the blame a few hours later. One of the planes was a 747 that is called Air Force One when used by the president."...
Some folks would expect this from a republican (Bush) administration..
... "This was a photo shoot. There was no need for surprise," Sen. Charles Schumer said. "There was no need to scare thousands of New Yorkers who still have the vivid memory of 9/11." ...
Do you think the response would have been as laconic if the order had been from a Bush White House administration?
Makes you wonder how much C02 was expended in this sortie..... :P
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Besides the co2 from 747, fighter jets, add in the thousands on New Yorkers who were fleeing buildings and running in the streets.
That incident is one of many examples of incompetence and bone-headed actions of this Admin. Question is do we want to trust them to provide guidance on types of future auto designs and whether or not there is global warming and if so is it man-made.
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