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Surely you jest
Aw, c'mon now....
AlGore has not directly broken ANY laws.
Now how could you know that Mr. Defense Attorney?
It took about 30 years to catch Bernie and he was breaking laws right and left the whole time. IMO Gore will eventually be exposed as a fraud and a crook.
Also, to say that he "misspoke" when he said that the earth's temperature was 2 million degrees 2 miles down in ludicrous. I would say that he was either drunk, or grossly ignorant. Maybe both !!!
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larsb: you should not so easily excuse leaders for misspeaking. Leaders need to be accurate and communicate in exact and well-thought-out terms. I believe you'll find that we would have never invaded Iraq a few years ago, if a few of our leaders hadn't "misspoke" about their level of confidence and sources that were informing them that Iraq had WMD. Many people died because a few misspoke, leading Congress to believe the WMD were irrefuteably there.
larsb: you should not so easily excuse leaders for misspeaking. Leaders need to be accurate and communicate in exact and well-thought-out terms. I believe you'll find that we would have never invaded Iraq a few years ago, if a few of our leaders hadn't "misspoke" about their level of confidence and sources that were informing them that Iraq had WMD. Many people died because a few misspoke, leading Congress to believe the WMD were irrefuteably there.
I do excuse them. I don't consider AlGore a "leader" but merely a profiteering goofball. ( He is a leader of what?)
But so far, legal, until we know otherwise.
Innocent until proven guilty, et al.
I'll take your off-topic bait:
You are confusing "misspoken" with "mistaken" in regard to the Iraqi war. Almost every allied nation was in agreement about the WMD intelligence. It was not a "misspoken" situation at all. It's not a lie if you tell it when you believe it is true. George Bush, and honorable man, did not convince Colin Powell, an honorable man, to go in front of the U.N. and LIE. They BELIEVED what they said.
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So it's renewable, unlike oil where you tap it and it's not coming back anytime soon.
Now that the leaves have fallen, I've spotted the windmill in a neighbor's yard a few blocks away again on one of our walks. I need to go knock on their door sometime and get the skinny.
LAKE COUNTY, Calif., Nov. 2, 2007 (KGO) (KGO) -- The competition to unlock the energy within the earth is heating up. Geothermal is already the number one source of renewable power in California, and it's about to get even bigger. Northern California is at the core of this drive.
The earth's core produces intense heat, usually far below the surface. When water comes in contact with this heat, you get steam and that can produce the electricity. Seventy miles north of San Francisco is the largest geothermal field in the world, already powering close to 800,000 homes, and there's plenty more power where that came from.
One 30-foot section of drilling pipe at a time, the roughnecks at Bottle Rock in Lake County are digging deep. They're chasing the heat trapped 8,000 feet below in the earth's fractures or chambers. When water comes in contact with the 450-degree temperatures, you get steam.
Naturally the folks in No CA are gungho for alternative energy. What they are clueless about is the hassles we have in So CA with a bunch of Enviro do gooders coming down and blocking most of our efforts to produce and transmit alternative energy. So far our most productive source is wind generators on Indian land. That is good for the Indians and us. Our transmission line project has run into so many hassles it is doubtful we will ever get solar from the desert. There are also small geothermal producers out in the desert. Not sure of their current status. They are on BLM land and may be operated by the DOE.
EL CENTRO, California - At a time when alternative energy and “green jobs” have become a significant talking point under the administration of Barack Obama, Imperial Valley is pushing to make it a reality.
The Valley –- which locals in this part of southern California also call Imperial County — already has 10 geothermal plants in operation with a combined capacity of around 330 megawatts. Geothermal energy, extracting power from underground heat, is a constant and sustainable form of generating electricity.
“This is going to be a great opportunity for the Imperial Valley,” which has a high unemployment rate, said Mark Gran, vice president of community relations at CalEnergy. “We’re going to be the renewable energy capital of the world.”
Potential geothermal or other renewable energy projects need to go through a lengthy approval process. But Imperial County officials have streamlined that process to help companies get permits far quicker, in particular for power plants under 50 megawatts. The state of California has more say in larger projects and has a reputation for being a stickler for due process.
“Getting anything done in California is hard,” said Imperial Valley Economic Development Corporation CEO Tim Kelley. “But it is less hard to get it done here.”
Local officials hope that renewable energy will help lower rising unemployment and help diversify the economy of this rural, largely agricultural community. But one problem Imperial County faces is transmission – getting the power to customers in major markets like San Diego, around 100 miles to the west on the Pacific coast.
“It’s one thing to produce the power, but we need to be able to deliver it to customers,” Kelly said.
http://blogs.reuters.com/route-to-recovery/tag/geothermal/
There are thousands of scientists who now say there is no global warming. Many are now saying that the globe is cooling and we could be on the cusp of a new ice age.
One volcanic eruption could account for a thousand years of human acitivity.
Some crazy people even say that Global Warming is about controling your life and property.
No couldnt be.
Suneeta Mukherjee, country representative of the United Nations Food Population Fund (UNFPA), said women in the Philippines are the most vulnerable to the effects of climate change in the country.
“Climate change could reduce income from farming and fishing possibly driving some women into sex work and thereby increase HIV infection," Mukherjee said during the Wednesday launch of the UNFPA annual State of World Population Report in Pasay City.
Could reduce income and actually changing is a big difference. The area is known for the sex trade. So now they are trying to make the rest of the world feel guilty for their own mess. They need to adapt not expect the USA to subsidize them.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/177346/climate-change-pushes-poor-women-to-prostitut- ion-dangerous-work
Or maybe I just had trouble making the tortuous connections between the dots :-)
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To me it was just another example of how far the GW bunch will go to push their agenda. Getting children to cry about the Polar bears etc etc. I found it an unbelievable stretch myself.
I am waiting to see more on the hackers uncovering damning evidence against several scientific groups that were conspiring to make their case for MM/CC more plausible.
Hopefully this is just the tip of the iceberg and we will learn more.
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But Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said this and other exchanges show researchers have colluded to establish the scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change.
"It is clear that some of the 'world's leading climate scientists,' as they are always described, are more dedicated to promoting the alarmist political agenda than in scientific research," said Ebell, whose group is funded in part by energy companies. "Some of the e-mails that I have read are blatant displays of personal pettiness, unethical conniving, and twisting the science to support their political position."
In one e-mail, Ben Santer, a scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, offered to beat up skeptic Pat Michaels, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute, out of sympathy for Jones.
Neither Jones nor Santer could be reached for comment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112004093_- pf.html
My guess is MM/CC alarmist are closer neanderthal by nature. They do want US to live in a cave.
What does that tell you?
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How did they do that?
Record High Temperatures Far Outpace Record Lows Across US
If temperatures were not warming, the number of record daily highs and lows being set each year would be approximately even. Instead, for the period from January 1, 2000, to September 30, 2009, the continental United States set 291,237 record highs and 142,420 record lows, as the country experienced unusually mild winter weather and intense summer heat waves.
Tell me why I should believe Science Daily anymore than the skeptic blogs? Follow the money and you will get your answer.
What money?
How can lying about your research make you money?
And if it's all about the grants, then why can't you just do "other" research instead of the research that someone offers you to "lie" about your data?
If I write a grant proposal that says I have good data to back up MM/GW then publish a report saying MM/GW is NOT likely, do you think I will get anymore money. The Feds have a vested interest in MM/GW. It is there ticket to higher taxation of coal, oil and Natural gas. Which will be paid by our consumption of those products. If it is found that they are not causing irreparable damage to the environment, it will be a hard sale to the American people. The whole thing ballooned and it became International in scope. Now we have people on little islands wanting to sue US for making the oceans rise. When in reality they have NOT risen. Just speculation that they will.
The EPA regulation dramatically enlarges the existing renewable-fuels program to 36 billion gallons by 2022 compared with 9 billion gallons in 2008. The 2007 energy law authorizing the regulation also created explicit mandates for emerging cellulosic ethanol and advanced biofuel technologies and specified greenhouse gas reduction criteria for fuels to qualify."
As Deadline Nears, Shell Urges White House to Delay Biofuels Mandate One Year (Green Car Advisor)
They can say, "I don't want your dirty scam money - I will look for grants that don't require me to lie. There are PLENTY of them out there."
So at that point, the "granter of the greenbacks" no longer has any hold on them.
I just can't see scientists intentionally lying to get money. Goes against all my notions of scientific integrity.
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It shows made biased and overly alarmist presentations of the climate data and worked to suppress the work of scientists who disagreed with global warming. It also shows attacks on the careers of scientists, journalist and editors who disagreed with global warming.
larsb: I just can't see scientists intentionally lying to get money. Goes against all my notions of scientific integrity.
Scientists are human beings, not gods. They are just as susceptible to the forces of greed, pride and lust for power as the rest of us.
They are just as prone to lie or bend the truth in order to gain research grants (scientists have to eat and pay their mortgages, too) or downplay evidence that discredits or punches holes in their theories (they are prone to hubris, too).
Think of how posters on this site argue and debate to defend their ideas or views...is it hard to believe that scientists will not resort to much more extreme tactics when the stakes are so much higher?
I still don't think that anyone who does science for a living would "willingly deceive" the public or anyone else by falsifying data just for grant money.
Like I said - there are OTHER grants available. Let the most rotten 1% lie, and the other 99% be honest and take money only from sources which allow them to be honest about their research.
In the "regular" corporate world, people who lie to the public get fired or prosecuted. There is oversight.
Why is the science arena any different?
I would not tell a huge lie for my boss, a lie which would rob millions of people.
The number of people who would do that is small.
Remember, manmade global warming hasn't been proven - or proven false.
There is a collection of evidence and material, but it has not been conclusive one way or the other. In this environment, interpretation of findings and any new material are critical. Scientists don't have to resort to outright lies - they can attempt to smear the reputations of those with different conclusions, or sit on evidence that contradicts their beliefs. Both of which appear to have happened here.
Technically, they were not lying (that would have required them to say, "I know that manmade global warming is happening" when there was conclusive proof that it isn't happening, and they were aware of that proof). What I see is suppression of contradictory evidence and ridiculing the opposition, instead of debating them on the merits.
The ironic thing is that we are going to become more efficient in our use of fossil fuels anyway. Why? Because of price pressures from growing global demand (in China, India, etc.) and the resistance to increased drilling or building more power plants in this country. We are going to have to get more from less. This has nothing to do with global warming.
The sooner we move beyond this global warming hysteria, the sooner we can begin to make productive strides in this area. But some people are afraid to let the free market come into play here. After all, it's tought to get a cap-and-trade scheme - and the associated expanded bureaucracy - through Congress unless we have plenty of nightmare scenarios (The polars will all die! New Yorkers will drown when the oceans rise! Rising temperatures will turn Kansas into a desert!) if we don't.
No one has gotten rich except AlGore, and not ALL of his riches have come from GW - some were just from timely investments.
No harm no foul.
( But that arctic ice ain't meltin' it's own self. )
Hey, regardless of WHY that is happening, the cleaner air and my lungs are very thankful !!!
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http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/fetrends/420r09014.pdf
"CO2 is the most important greenhouse gas, responsible for a majority of all global, anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. Light-duty vehicles emit approximately 20 percent of total U.S. CO2 emissions..."
Just posting articles won't cut it. They just print what they are told. The recently hacked emails show that these guys know how to cook the books, shade information, hide information and perform various other "tricks". All the information is suspect now.
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"Today, I will discuss something else – scientific integrity and how to improve it. Specifically, I will discuss the systematic and documented abuse of the scientific process by an international body that claims it provides the most complete and objective scientific assessment in the world on the subject of climate change – the United Nations-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC. I will conclude with a series of recommendations as to the minimum changes the IPCC must make if it is to restore its credibility."
Senator Inhofe: This is out of a speech that I made, Melanie, back on the floor of the Senate, and it was repeated, John Gizzi picked it up and put it in Human Events. This was 4 years ago, in talking about the science, cooking the science. I said I would discuss the “systematic and documented abuse of the scientific process by which an international body that claims it provides the most complete and objective science assessment in the world on the subject of climate change, the United Nations IPCC.” Now that was four years ago; so we knew they were cooking the science back then, and you’ve been talking about the, you know, what’s happened recently with the bloggers coming up with what they did, what they
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_i- d=2188feb3-802a-23ad-4de4-3fbc0a92e126&Issue_id
This article begs to differ: http://dvice.com/archives/2009/07/shift-sorry-cri.php (click my name)
The article assumes 250 million vehicles would require 600 billion kwh per year. This means
Quote: " Per the EIA, every kWh generated by a coal plant produces two pounds of carbon dioxide. So 600 billion kWh x 2 lbs of CO2/kWh = 1.2 trillion pounds of CO2. Ouch.
Still, is that better than gasoline? The EIA says the U.S. consumed 3.3 billion barrels of gasoline in 2008, or 138 billion gallons. The Environmental Protection Agency says one gallon of gas belches out 20 pounds of CO2. That adds up to about 3 trillion pounds of CO2."
So even at the lousy 3 miles per kwh that is assumed in this article coal powered EV's come out on top almost a factor 3 compared to ICE's in CO2 emissions.
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You are a decent human being who just doesn't understand how grant money is obtained. It is a game in which the biggest liar gets the gold.
A while ago I was reading an article in (I think) Parade magazine which was talking about how researchers were having trouble getting grants to find cures for rare forms of cancer. Almost as an aside, the article mentioned how researchers would have to lie and state that their projects were about breast cancer because that was where the funding was available. The article ignored the fact that the researchers were LYING TO GET MONEY.
It's a short step from lying to get your grants to lying about your results to keep the grants coming.
We even had a term for these kind of people back in graduate school--GRANT WHORES.
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Talkin' same ballparks, here?
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I have a good friend that is a marine biologist. She was part of the group that count the Bowhead Whales to determine how many the Eskimos can harvest each year. Her boss was a PHD Grant whore that did little but cook the books and made the bulk of the money. He would use College students to do the research and only pay expenses. Which to a college kid seemed fair. All along he was knocking down an unknown to most huge salary. My friend was getting $25k per year to work in the Arctic as a supervisor. She quit and went to work for Sea World at several times that wage.
I would say that more than half the scientists involved in the GW studies know they are distorting the truth to keep the money flowing. Can anyone Name ONE skeptic scientist that is getting Federal funds for their research? That should say a lot about the integrity of the MM/GW/CC scientists. Why not when they see a US Senator selling her vote on HC for $300,000,000 and bragging about it? We have no room to condemn any other government for corruption.
I mostly object to using such a mundane word as "decent" as an adjective of my human-being-ness. Most people think I'm an OUTSTANDING human being.
Anyway, as I have said before - "shady science in the name of funding" must surely occur at times, but just as surely, it must only be delegated to the lowest percentages, not the higher ones.
My guess is that it's the exception rather than the norm.
If not, there would be all kinds of incorrect science being published, and we know that is not the case.
Baloney! You have no idea. Just in the medical field there is theory after theory on what sort of drugs to create to cure certain cancers. After many years and billions of dollars of creating and testing theories there is no universal cure. Same thing with MD - a lot of theories over the years; none which are right. Sure medical science makes a little progress here and there, and that is the fact that every year out of the thousands of theories, a handful are right. The fact is most published scientific theories throughout history have been incorrect, and most new ones will be proven to be incorrect.
Go back thru history and look at: the Greeks theory of matter/Fire/Water, the middle-age astronomers theories of a flat Earth and the Earth at the center of the Universe, theories that there was nothing smaller than an atom, theories that there was nothing larger than the Milky Way, Marie Curie running around the lab with radium in her pocket (killed her), and scientists theories up to the 1980's which had no idea on the fact that 80% of the energy and matter in the universe is "dark" and unknown.
The fact is many theories are developed, and every once in a while one will stick - proving to be irrefuteable (at least in a non-quantum evaluation).