Are automobiles a major cause of global warming?

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Funny how the GW/Enviro cons will give a PASS to this, as they are trying to shut down mining for other things.

    Even now the Eco nuts are trying to shut more of our great land down from Solar, nuclear, wind, mining or logging. We are a nation of NIMBYs. No, no, no to mining, solar, wind, nuclear, geothermal, hydro, High Speed Rail, or development of any kind, if it is in my back yard.

    All is not lost. It is starting to look like we are actually in Afghanistan for the great mineral wealth contained there. No other good reason I can think of. Don't scar up America do it elsewhere and then blame them for AGW.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2010
    Yes we are in that part of the country for literally a HEAP of natural resources. I was reading an arch conservative estimate of $1 T . It is probably close to exponentially greater than that. Almost all of it related to some sort of new age enviro con applications. However the tried and true markets are being served also. It has been supplying illegal drugs to the US (other markets also) for the better part of 75 years that I know of.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    I read that China has leased the mineral rich land in Afghanistan, leaving us next to nothing. I also read that the current state of Afghan mining industry is a man with a pick axe and a wheelbarrow who walked to work.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    So let me see if I can characterize this information. We are fighting to make sure China gets the legal rights to mineral mining contracts. We are fighting to secure the flow of so called "illegal drugs".? :lemon: :sick:
  • monkstermanmonksterman Member Posts: 46
    Don't know why it didn't take my initial post but...

    Let's take a little side road:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/12/27/epa-texas-go-to-war-over-carbon-emission-r- ules/

    Finally somebody standing up to the EPA and their libtard
    un-Constutituional "regulations".

    Let's see other states join in with the Big T.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    It's amazing what $30 million in bribes can get the Chinese. We even pay for the security under which the Chinese mines can operate in Afghanistan.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited December 2010
    Amazing given such an intense American CIA and special ops personnel leading the effort/s there. I mean really, why spend TRILLIONS when 30 M will do?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited December 2010
    I wonder if larsb went to TX to escape the record cold in Phoenix. High in the 40s with scattered snow. Europe coldest winter in 1000 years.

    Talked to my buddy in Prudhoe Bay Alaska. Said the high on Tuesday was minus 55 F. That is cold, I know I have been there.

    How cold will it have to get before the AGW cult screams uncle?
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    They won't give up. They will just look you in the eye and with a straight face tell you that the cold and the snow is caused by MMGW.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2010
    Over 40 and raining here at 11pm. I'm like 10 degrees north of Toronto. :-)

    Looks like winter returns Friday. Rather have the snow actually.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited December 2010
    30-40 degrees and raining is the worst weather possible. Anchorage would get that and you end up with a sheet of ice to drive on. Give me zero and snow any day. Of course I am hating this low forties we are getting in San Diego. I am happy for the rain. Though we are now 400% of normal. Whatever normal really is. Using the last 150 years for any kind basis for normal weather is pretty silly in my opinion.

    PS
    we are at 36 degrees currently.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    36 degrees? That's funny. I could have sworn you said you were in San Diego....

    You are correct rain in the 3os is as lousy as it gets.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    edited January 2011
    Nope.

    I saw 86 and 82 degrees in TX on the 20th and 21st - record highs.

    Did not miss ALL the Phoenix cold. Got back on the 1st and it was still in the 40s.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I wonder if Moonbeam will have the will to do the right thing in CA as Ms Martinez is doing in NM?

    ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez on Tuesday took aim at the controversial Environmental Improvement Board, announcing that she was removing all members over concerns about the board's approval in recent months of what she considers "antibusiness" policies.

    The board — made up of members appointed by former Gov. Bill Richardson — was at the center of a heated debate last year over whether New Mexico should regulate greenhouse gas emissions. The board ultimately decided to approve two proposals — one from an environmental group that aimed to limit the emissions of the state's largest polluters and another from the state Environment Department that called for a regional cap-and-trade program.


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-05/nm-governor-removes-environmental-board- -members.html
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Somehow, I think you already know the answer to your question about Moonbeam !!

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    For those that still believe in the Voodoo science, used to determine that we are causing change in the Climate. I found these cartoons for you:

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    And for those that do not see that we are regulating our country into Oblivion:

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2011
    Too funny ! 40 some odd years ago, when I was a wee boy in college, the global "freeze" and die backs (Malthusian concepts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe) were virtual certainties. China at the time, a less than "worthy" third world country was going to one not worth saving. The theorists never explained years later, when they came up with the global warming theory, how we bypassed the refrigerator freeze. Of course to be fair, theorists are chosing now to not explain the bankruptcy of the global warming theory, other than to change the terms to global...climate change. Call me old fashioned but what was winter spring summer and fall? China now is of course....China. For some reason, theorists now think it is poised to take over the world.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Someone has to do something about this global warming situation. It is causing way too much cold and snow where I live. Plus, those poor folks down in Ark, Miss, LA, and Georgia just aren't used to this cold and snow. Global warming is even tougher on them !!

    Apparently we need some global cooling to warm things up a bit ! This sure is confusing !

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2011
    Indeed the (our) southerners are not going NORTH for the winters, nor are the (our) northerners going even more north for the winters. Kind of makes you wonder why eh? London believes so much in global warming that a normal snowstorm there literally paralysed air travel. Seems the airports' management/s saw no real need for properly staffed runway snow/ice removing equipment !!
  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,585
    I believe the prefered terminology now is "climate change" rather than "global warming". The reasons seem obvious.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    True, but regardless of what they want to call it, I prefer to keep the global warming placard tied around their necks as long as possible, as it is obviously embarrassing for them. :)

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  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    You guys are like cards who oughta be decked....... ;)

    The warming trend is not yet over...

    Population hits 7 billion this year - unprecedented levels of pollution hitting the atmosphere---we'll see what global weather changes are afoot in the next few years.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Yep, 7 billion of us who have to exhale the now highly regulated (by fiat, no less) carbon dioxide. No more deep breaths please. I see a new tax coming based on the size of a persons nose.

    That is just one of the 31,000 new laws for 2011, mainly telling us what we can't do anymore and some of which make us all criminals whether we know it or not. Some of them rejected by Congress and the Supreme Court....but still put into effect by the current outlaw administration.

    Happy New Year all you new criminals !!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,547
    Of course, the current regime are outlaws, but when a new regime comes into place, the rules won't be repealed. Ever think both sides are the problem?

    On the environmental front, my first CFL failed today, gotta keep China in business.
  • alltorquealltorque Member Posts: 535
    edited January 2011
    London believes so much in global warming that a normal snowstorm there literally paralysed air travel. Seems the airports' management/s saw no real need for properly staffed runway snow/ice removing equipment !!

    There seems to be a mis-conception abroad. You folks appear to be under the impression that London's Heathrow and Gatwick are AIPORTS. Sorry guys and gals but this native Brit just has to correct you, (and not for the first time, methinks).

    Heathrow and Gatwick are, in reality, shopping malls that just happen to have runways on site. Most of BAA's profit, (British Airports Authority - really a private company not an "Authority" in the governmental sense of the word), comes from retail sales. So, why would they employ runway snow-clearing equipment and staff to clear 2" of the white stuff ? Only airports do that, as in Oslo, Helsinki, Hamburg etc. Airports, not shopping malls with runways. Clear now ?
    Snow joke, my friends.

    :)
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    What is a CFL? Are you referring to the energy efficient light bulbs? I have some personal first hand experience with those in terms of the electrical charges that surround those lights affected my health.

    I had one very close to my arm while working at the PC for hours on end, that over the course of about 4 years had created a tendonitis type pain that I always attributed to the PC use. But while dealing with a problem in my back, I discovered that that light is suspect. I removed it and in less than 2 weeks the pain in my arm was almost gone! Talk about a revolutionary discovery. In 4 weeks all trace of that pain was gone from my arm. So I am back to incandescent old-fashioned bulbs for me. Electricity bill be damned.

    I asked the APT how far away is it safe to be from those type lights, and he said, how about outside of your house?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,547
    Yeah, the florescents, supposedly save gobs of energy but are hazardous to make, so they aren't made here. Wonderful. That combined with inconsistent durability...seems like a bit of a scam.

    I wouldn't be surprised that there are some kind of health impacts either. I know when I am at work alone, I prefer to keep the life-draining florescents off.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2011
    Well evidently the US global warmcists need to take a British lesson. They make "aeroports" such hostile places to be, a lot of small businesses hosted by large businesses are NOT doing as well at the shopping malls as they should. If you bring folks to the shopping malls/aero ports you can be blinded by authorized authority, arrested, towed or tasered to I dare say SHOT, if you do not move your car fast enough. Or is that really move your car FASTER but slow enough? Hardly a invitation to stay and linger over a "pint" or the myraid of other "delights".

    I remember not long ago that I could literally PARK in a pick up/LOADING ZONE @ a well known International AEROPORT and literally walk to the debarking gate, (hope that is the correct term) to pick up one of those debarking passengers. Geez, now that act would be under the jurisdiction of the FEDERAL counterterrorism authorities and I could NOW do prison time ???? Good morgan felons !!!
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    "I wouldn't be surprised that there are some kind of health impacts either."

    I suspect you misinterpreted the very info my post was about.

    I found that light to be absolutely, positively, and without slightest doubt, unhealthy. Too much coincidence otherwise. I change my PC position setup, install this light. I start getting arm pain, thought it was only due to days of long typing sessions, so never suspected the light. Got rid of the light and haven't changed anything else about the PC setup position. Even on long days, that arm pain is GONE. Just gone. No one was more skeptical than me at first, but there was compelling proof in the pudding. In less than 2 weeks I thought it was actually working. In 2 weeks I knew it was, 3 weeks was certain it was not my imagination, and as time goes on...(it has been 2 months now) I am just as sure as I am sitting here it was to blame, so am real glad to be able to pass on this helpful info to anyone out there willing to check it out for themselves. Technically, all these lights that require a transformer to start and basically operate by a constant cycle of interrupted current, all fall into the same class of potential electrical energy harm.

    Now, if only I could get rid of the rest of my chronic pain so easily.
  • SSIEMSSSIEMS Member Posts: 10
    Guess your one of those people that believe wars are nessary to reduce the population . By the way what flaver of cool aid did they raise you on?!!

    The global cooling was a scam used to make money and take power just as global warming is a scam for the same purpose. Personaly I think GOD is sending them a message!
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Nope. No wars. Not opposed to expanding population any more than the next guy.

    Didn't drink any Kool-Aid.

    The arctic ice melting knows nothing about "scams." Show me a scam that can melt arctic ice and you have a convert.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The arctic ice melting knows nothing about "scams." Show me a scam that can melt arctic ice and you have a convert.

    No scam, natural phenomenon. Same as the Antarctic ice pack getting larger over the same period of time. The scam is claiming man as the major cause of any changes in climate or weather. You are still confusing pollution and CO2. CO2 is needed to sustain life. We can get along without pollution. It is CO2 the AGW bunch want to buy and sell with themselves as brokers taking their bit of profit on each transaction. That is a scam.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Your "natural phenom" statement is just speculation.

    Good reference site on arctic ice

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    Effects are bigger
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Your first reference shows that the ice in the Antarctic is above the 1979-2000 norm. So how come GLOBAL WARMING only caused ice to melt in the Northern Hemisphere?

    Second link is old news. Europe is suffering from the coldest winter in 1000 years. That pretty well shoots down their efforts to convince otherwise. The AGW hysterics are in a real tizzy trying to explain how a warmer globe can cause extremely cold winters. Could be they took their recording devices out of the northern tier before they should have for accurate data. Face it AGW is a farce and a money grab by politicians and scientists alike.
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2011-01-12-2010-warmest-ye- ar-climate-change_N.htm

    Well there you have it. That's about as delusional as the data/statistics that: "there's no inflation" and "the unemployment rate has dropped to 9.4%".

    These climatologists must be like Inspector Clouseau yelling at the street-peddler with the monkey outside the bank, while holding the door for the escaping-bankrobbers! Of course they're not all fools, there's surely a bunch of liars out-to-scam everyone tossed into the AGW group.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    And one need only look at the 'saved' air from the forest fires that man extinguishes a lot sooner than nature, left to its own devices. Talk about carbon footprint. And because of this we have to wait for all the cool diesels on these shores? Nevermind all the wizardry and expense gone into these diesels that are being accepted little by little.

    When we have a dinner get-together with family and friends and I suggest that many assumptions are being based on such a narrow time frame in the bigger scheme of things. As humans, in all our arrogant, self-righteous, self-centered, self-important wisdom, we think we are the be-all end-all to the universe. Our existence here and with our extremely limited ability to scope time, simply couldn't be much more inconsequential if far more broadened time frame eras are examined. You ask someone (in their important little, but very ignorant world) to think back 100, 200 hell let's make it even 500 years...that being more generations of our own family than we could possibly imagine, and then ask to look forward another 500 years and all that goes on here on earth is but the smallest spec in time. Yet so many seemingly intelligent human beings seem to lack the ability to open their mind to just how really little we mean on this earth, and how so totally inconsequential a mere thousand years of weather differences really mean. Or would you like to make it 10000 years...wanna make it a hundred thou? Hell why not make a million? It couldn't mean less if our lives depended on it.. pfffttttt..

    We can all disappear just as fast as we probably appeared.
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    I'd like to see a temperature and ice chart for the U.S. southeast. I believe they'd find much of the missing Arctic ice to be in Georgia, the Carolinas, and such places.
    In a few years when it starts snowing regularly in San Diego in the winter, they'll still be reporting record temperature increases each year! Hermann Goebbels would be proud to realize - the masses are just as gullible as 70 years ago.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I think that global warm a cists have learned the concept of plausible deniability and (like my grandfather's favorite saying:) YES ! We have NO banana's today.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    With 71% of the USA covered in snow and 49 out of 50 states with fresh snow, I think it is safe to say we got that Arctic weather all over US.

    By the way it is beautiful here in San Diego today. About time we got our normal winter weather back. Clear and 71 here in the hills East of the City. I was about to pack up and move to Hawaii. Don't have to now.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2011
    Yes absolutely a glorious day, but FREEZING :( for this time of the year) @ 58 degrees F. Sun is out almost not a cloud in the sky. I can't wait for shorts and aloha shirts. I have on way too many clothes right now.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,585
    Be prepared for the disciples of Al Gore to start whining about GW when the temps. set records or near records this summer.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2011
    Well around here anyway, it is SUPPOSED to get hot in summer !!
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    edited January 2011
    The samples provided the researchers with climate data over a period from 20,000 years ago to about 5,000 years ago, a period when significant warming occurred.

    "Even though the ice sheet retreat was ongoing throughout that whole period, the lion's share of the retreat occurred in a geologic instant -- probably within as little as a few hundred years," said Briner.

    http://www.buffalo.edu/news/10191

    How many autos and people were around then? Mankind releases a few % of the total CO2 released into the atmosphere, with most of it being natural releases. And even then CO2 is a minor player in the climate, relative to the sun's activity, variations in the earth's orbit, cloud-cover, and other natural phenomenon.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    variations in the earth's orbit

    I just read an article about the magnetic North Pole moving about 40 miles per year. It is enough that some airports have to change their runway designations. That could have some bearing on the climate as well.

    A runway at Florida's Tampa International Airport is scheduled to reopen Thursday with new numbers and signage to account for the gradual shift of the Earth's magnetic North Pole.

    Runway 18R/36L, which runs north-south, has been closed since January 3 for numeric redesignation of the compass headings at each end of the runway and to change taxiway signage to account for the one-degree shift.

    It will reopen tomorrow as 19R/1L, indicating its alignment along compass headings, FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said.


    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/12/shift-of-earths-magnetic-north-pole-affects- -florida-airport/

    The Federal Aviation Administration required the runway designation change to account for what a National Geographic News report described as a gradual shift of the Earth's magnetic pole at nearly 40 miles a year toward Russia because of magnetic changes in the core of the planet.

    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/jan/05/shift-of-earths-magnetic-north-pole-impa- cts-tampa-/

    If a temperature sensor is getting closer or further from the North Pole each year, wouldn't that make a difference in the readings you get? I feel closer to the North Pole this year.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited January 2011
    I think it's just the molten core that's shifting around that's affecting compasses. It's not aligned with the axis. Around here there's little magnetic declination, but lots of ore around to mess up the compass reading anyway.

    Fun stuff; was talking to a surveyor a couple of weeks ago and he touched on the shifting a bit.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    edited January 2011
    The argument that "there were previous times in history when CO2 levels were MUCH higher than today" really proves nothing, and has a very minimal impact on the discussion of what's going on TODAY.

    The world was a far different planet back then. We can't know what other forces were in place to keep temps manageable.

    We now have the highest population (ergo, the most fossil fuel pollution) the Earf has ever seen.

    We can't know that what we are doing is not having an effect on climate. We just can't say for sure it is or isn't. But there are MANY signs that it is having an effect.

    So why would ANYONE think it makes SENSE to bury our heads in the sand and ignore the POSSIBILITY that we need to change some of the ways we do things?

    I just can't understand why anyone would think that way.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    We now have the highest population (ergo, the most fossil fuel pollution) the Earf has ever seen.

    And it is going to expand rapidly. Nothing we can do about that aside from a nuclear war to cut the world population. Earthquakes, wars and floods don't even make up for the birthrate vs death rate imbalance.

    So why would ANYONE think it makes SENSE to bury our heads in the sand and ignore the POSSIBILITY that we need to change some of the ways we do things?

    You leave out over half the World's population that are living a cave like existence. They want what we have and will work to that end. Idiocy like Kyoto is tantamount to you or I standing in front of a high speed train thinking we can stop it. Those as individuals or countries that believe we can really make much difference are deluding themselves. And if you look honestly at the entities that are pushing the AGW agenda it is all about money. Taking from rich countries and giving it to third World dictators and fat cat snake oil salesmen like Al Gore.

    I just don't see why anyone would back such a scam.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Gary says, "I just don't see why anyone would back such a scam. "

    Have you ever entertained the fact that it might be BOTH a scam

    AND ALSO REALLY HAPPENING?

    They are not mutually exclusive.

    Man's impact might indeed REALLY be making the Earf slightly warmer. But not to the degree that AlGore and his fools are screaming. And his solutions might just be a way he figured out to get richER.

    So it's not unreasonable to picture a scenario where what AlGore and his minions are doing IS a scam, but also a situation where we REALLY ARE affecting the climate with our pollution.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited January 2011
    Here is a local example (CA state) I am sure every state has its own multiple examples.

    It is COMPLETELY natural in CA for WILD FIRES to engulf major to the majority parts of the state. Records indicate app every 5 years. It has been policy for literally generations to smack down WILD FIRES and if can not be stopped to at least to contain them. There are of course many, many, many, more examples. So yes, are we UNNATURALLY effecting/affecting climate change by doing this?

    So would you be an advocate of returning to letting the wild fires run natually? In this scenario, YOU are one of the owners in Malibu, CA of one of those 3 to 60 M dollar houses.

    Keep in mind that whatever position/s one takes, it can be seen as BRILLIANT to GENIUS, to totally out of touch with reality, to totally deranged.
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