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Toyota 4Runner



  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    First of all, no one respond to that first Path. vs. 4Run. post - there are other (or new) boards where that sort of head-to-head, option-to-otion debate can take place. It's a waste of time. I have refrained from that, and only mention the Pathfinder as a less desirable, second choice possibility (among others: Explorer, etc.) that I will probably end up buying (90% sure now) next weekend (after that triple martini . . .)

    But, TB - you seem to be going forward despite your reservations in Post 3118 about appearance/SR5 options. These are almost the same gripes I have, e.g., the cladding not matching the black body, etc. Given price, I guess the model for me would have originally been the Sport (to get the X-REAS, 17" wheels, etc.) - but, with a two-tone paint to begin and the non-functional hood scoop (that I was hoping would be functional this year or removed), I could not then handle all the silver accents everywhere and agree that the rims don't look as good as the SR5. I then said screw-it, I'll sell everything I own and pay the 39K and get the all Black Limited . . . only to confirm from recent spec sheets that it was not the Black look of my dreams . . . the very first blue rear spy-shot that set a riot on all the boards was NOT a prototype . . . the spoiler and the skunk-stripes on the Limited were the real deal, plus silver boards and racks to match. So, last week, we settled on the base SR5, keep our stock, save $$, figuring the only negative was the cladding which could grow on us. The racks and boards would be black, no garnishes or stripes anywhere, new V6 engine - all for a better value than what I would have had to pay for a supercharged 3rd Gen . . . we were almost good to go!

    But, then Cliffy just confirmed the worst: not only are they limiting the inventory to 16" wheels (probably only this year, to help individualize the ugly sport), they are putting on a spoiler???????? and doing it in Japan!!! On the base model???? Of course, first year out they want the same look on the streets to help the vehicle launch branding of all the trim levels, plus tie it in with the Highlander and Sequoia . . . but come on TOYOTA . . . this was the mighty 4RUNNER!!!! We don't want to look like that Station Utility Vehicle/Car or SoccerDad Truck (at least not yet, the Sequoia without the spoiler is an awesome giant Beast of a Runner!)

    So TB, how are you getting over this? You are a better loyalist than me. Have you read the reviews of the Sequoia debut? They all were great except for one aspect: the spoiler. I think one review caled it "hideous" and another called it "a rhinoplasty gone bad." So, why do it to EVERY trim level Runner? Cliffy, I don't know how that look could ever grow on anyone in the 4Runner's target market? Why could it not have been a port install?? A 4 month factory order (with no guarantees . . . you know how those go) is a non-starter.

    Maybe, I just need to accept this new look and start blending in with the rest of the pseudo-SUVs on the market . . . help me out TB . . . tell me something that you saw in person that I did not see in that first spyshot and every other one to date. [The 3rd Gen guys over on all the other 4x4 forums are really bustin' up over this design cue and have all agreed to wait a few years . . .]
  • sbell4sbell4 Posts: 446
    Is available in southeast region only if it doesn't have side and curtain airbags. The Sport can have either perforated suede or regular leather while the SR5 is only available in regular leather.

    Other options:
    Borla Performance exhaust
    Lighted color keyed running boards
    tubular running boards
    Enkei Alloy wheels
    electrochromic mirror with compass
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Do any of you know the reason for a spoiler on an SUV? It is actually functional in most cases. With a big, boxy rear end, you normally get a wind eddy from underneath the vehicle that blows dust and exhaust back up onto the rear window. If the rear window is down (for the dog), this comes right into your cargo area. The spoiler creates a wind shear along the back, thus preventing much of the dust from reaching the back window.

    I personally like the look. Looks are a subjective issue. The fact is though, it is functional, especially for off-roaders and those who like to keep the back window open while driving.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Yes, you can get leather in the Southeast region. Then again, any dealership in the country can add aftermarket leather as well. Its the same thing.
  • Are the leather seats that are available on the SR5 and Sport Editions, the same seats that are in the Limited. That is, are they the powered/heated driver and passenger seats?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    NO. Sbell pointed out that in the Southeast Region, they will have leather available on any vehicle without side air bags. The Southeast Region (SET) is not owned by Toyota and they add things at the port that are not genuine Toyota equipment. The same thing can be done in any part of the country, but it would be the dealer arranging the installation after it arrives, not before like in SET. When this is done, the existing seat covers are replaced with leather. It does not replace the seat, only the seat cover.
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    completely agree . . . focus has been mainly on style (but your right - subjective). IMO, why the rhinoplasty job? The old rear-wind deflector looked like something that should go on a sport utility truck. Looked good. New style does not continue that tradition, and seems to take its design cue from the minivan parked across my street. I'd rather have a dusty dog than that contraption - purely subjective though.

    TB, you've seen it, you like the look along with Cliffy? [I may have wierd tastes I guess . . .]
  • Cliffy,
    "Then again, any dealership in the country can add aftermarket leather as well. Its the same thing."

    When I purchased my 2000 Camry, the dealer told me the aftermarket leather option was the same as the Toyota option. Not true! Much to my dismay, upon delivery, I discovered that the aftermarket option did not have steering wheel and shifter leather covering, both of which were included in the Toyota option.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    That is absolutely correct. When the dealership (or port) adds leather, they are only talking about the seat covers and (sometimes) the door panel inserts. Further, it is NOT the exact same stuff as from the factory. In some cases, the leather may be of a higher grade than the factory and rarely is it of inferior quality.
  • as well as toyota uses same engines? just think about that. oops i guess 4runner is always 1 step behind pathfinder. Toyota was critcizing about pathifinders aluminium engine blocks, but looks like now 4runner is going for it. Every corner, every turn, anywhere you go 4runner..don't you guys get tired of that.

    Bottom line: 4runner charges more money because they know people can be fooled easily.
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    I wonder why 4Runner is everywhere...maybe because it is such a great vehicle. It cost that much because it is made THAT well! Go look under your pathfinder and compare it with a 3rd gen 4runner. 4Runner has much stronger running gears and suspension components.
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    . . . better to just ignore.
  • jcat707jcat707 Posts: 168
    I went to the dealership with my 98 4Runner Limited for an oil change an while I was there, I saw a couple 2003 4Runners. The salesman let get inside of one of them and I love it. So I decided to get a new loaded to the max 2003 black 4Runner Limited. the salesman let me have the truck for $35,500. I was thinking about trading in my old 4Runner but as much as I drive, i need a second car to keep the mileage down. Now I'm just waiting until the truck comes, which could be anyday now.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    $35500 for a loaded Limited? Holy cow! We haven't seen pricing yet, but some dealers are getting a look at them when the district managers come by. I was hoping our guy would be here for training before they arrived but that 'aint gonna happen. I'm VERY happy to hear that report on pricing.
  • I was hoping to get a black Limited, but I thought it was going to be too expensive, so I was going to settle for the "cladded" Sport. This pricing for a loaded Limited is amazing, with the V-8 and everything else it has on it. When you say that it was "loaded" what additional options did you get? Navigation, sunroof, air suspension?
  • jcat:
    2003 4Runner Limited for 35k is one heck of a buy. It's incredible! All information I got so far lists 3Runner base at 26k for SR5 and 37k for Limited. Are you getting the V6 or V8?

    Has anyone seen numbers like jcat's?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Is that price for a 4WD or 2WD? If that is MSRP on a 4WD Limited, I may just buy one myself! My next purchase is (was) going to be a new Tundra Limited but at only $2000 more money, I may have to sacrifice having a bed. I wonder how the Limited would look with a deer carcass strapped to the back.
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    Is the dealer installed aftermarket leather still under the Toyota warranty?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    No, and neither is the stuff added by SET. The SET leather is covered by SET, but not Toyota. Aftermarket leather usually has its own warranty with is generally 3 years with no mileage limits.
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    Thanks again.
  • Cliffy,

    The pricing on the Limited almost seems too good to be true. I just hope "jcat" is not a reincarnation of "buzzlight"
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Jcat707, some people were "skunked" in here before with fake info posted to incite everyone. So don't take the disbelief personally (unless you're trolling, in which case we'll wrap an anchor chain around your ankle, LOL).

    (like all the personalized fishing references, Cliffy? )

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  • jcat,

    I am apologizing in advance if my previous comment is untrue. Do not take it personally.
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    Let us know the price AFTER you sign the papers.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    You always get me on Saturdays with those references!

    Believe it or not, I actually think he could be correct. I spoke to a guy who was at the dealer meeting last month where they claimed that an SR5, V8 4WD with proper equipment could be had under $30K. I remain skeptical of that but if that assertion is true, then $35,500 could be real for the Limited. We have less than one week to know for sure.
  • jcat707jcat707 Posts: 168
    I've been buying Toyotas from that dealership for a long time. I bought 3 Camrys, 1 Celica, 1 Highlander, and soon to be 2 4Runners. I take my Toyotas there for every oil change, recall, and repair. I know just about everybody in the dealership including the owner. Anybody that I know shopping for a car, I refer them to my Toyota dealership. I didn't mean to start a big fuss, I just wanted to show that even though the Limited prices may be $40-45K, you can get it down to about $35-40K at some places.
  • Here's a site that has serious modifications on toyota SUVs. Lots of Prado/GX470 mods

  • olizerolizer Posts: 38
    Posted by Cliffy......"I wonder how the Limited would look with a deer carcass strapped to the back".....? Answer - not very "PC".
  • mjohnr99mjohnr99 Posts: 193
    $39+K no way! (I'll wait) . . . buttttttttttt if $35.5K even, yes way!!! . . . if truly "loaded" (V8, 4WD, air suspension, X-REAS, etc.) at that amazing $35.5K! price, I'll get back my deposit just placed today on the three-martini, desperate choice of last resort [i.e., a loaded 2003 PF LE ($31,100 before T/T/T, 0% over 3)] and I WILL find a way to get over the stripes and spoiler real quick . . . I smell a buzzlight . . . but if not, HOORAHHH Toyota!

    $35.5K is a terrifically fair price to pay and amazing since the best I could do on the eve of September 30th on a close-out, 258 HP supercharged '02 SR5 was $31,300 (before T/T/T) - a no go.

    Toyota, if true, way to go! Anyone who first gets MSRP (because that is what we'll pay in this case) base pricing and option pricing on the new Limiteds, please post ASAP!!!
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Jcat707, no problem and thanks for the additional details. Don't mind us -- we just dance around a bit when someone gets that great a deal! Congrats.

    Cliffy, every time I see your name in a post, my ankle twinges just a little bit :-). Why are you here this weekend anyway? - deer season just opened here.

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