GM runs the plants in Mexico for the reasons you stated. Cheap NON-UNION labor, and lack of governmental enforcement of environmental policies, like filtering the exhaust on the paint shop. The on-union aspect of it pretty much is a driving force in quality, you don't do your job absolutely perfect and you are gone. So the incentive for doing good work is the fear of losing your job. From what I understand the pay rate is like $5-$6 an hour and no benefits compared to $23 an hour and good medical, dental, and optical insurance.
I have a 2001 3/4 ton Yukon XL built in Salao Mexico. I love the vehicle but don't like the way GM charges the same money for it considering the labor cost is 1/4 that of the US assembled ones.
Now to the vehicle itself is great, no problems with it so far. The fit and finish is excellent, no squeaks or rattles. All the body lines are perfect, no air whistles or water leaks, sunroof runs smooth and seals up tight. Everything is extremely solid. Not one single complaint on the workmanship of it. It only took them 3 days to build it too, started on a Monday and shipped out by train on Friday. It was a long wait for the 3/4 ton though, 4 months one week before GM took the order and assigned it to a plant to be built, 4 days to build, and 2 weeks and one day to get it shipped to the dealer in MI.
I also wanted a product built in the US, but GM send out the work to the plants as it sees fit. Ecs4tru, do you work for GM? I do and still am wondering if that is why mine was sent to Mexico to be built. I imagine that even with the discount GM still made more money off of that truck than one built in the states.
I bought a 8.1 Liter Suburban built in Mexico. I had one major problem when I took delivery. The truck was delivered with a faulty connector beween the block and the oil cooler. Basically it had to be towed back to the dealer and it took approximately two weeks to get it back. Other than that it has been perfect. I also would agree that the fit and finish was fine and there are no sqeaks or rattles. I think the whole US versus Mexico built Suburbans is over rated.
As far as overheating my truck has always run at the 195 degrees temp and has not gone above it. Were you towing in a hot area at the time? Also the 8.1 Liter was supposed to have several enhancements to the cooling ability of the engine over the 454. My guess is that you have a defect of some kind.
Can't begin to go into all the issues with the 8.1. We had heard of several in the pickups when we ordered our 2001 Yukon XL 2500. Could not begin to list the various issues related to that engine, but don't recall anything that just involved overheating. It is possible one of the known internal problems is manifesting itself as only overheating at this point. Because of those major concerns we got the 6.0 (still had more power than our '94 7.4L). Check the following GM Service Bulletin on the 8.1. Hope your issue is something simple like a stuck thermostat.
We took delivery of our Mexican built 2001 Suburban last November. So far (knock on wood) we've experienced NO problems with the vehicle. The fit and finish are just fine. Wish we could have said that about our BMW and Infiniti when they were new.
Am I doing anything wrong? I have very weak volume out of the rear radio jacks. It does not seem to matter what I am listening to CD/ or radio volume is very low. Looks like a waste of money so far. Any body else have any experiences? Bob S. Fl
I am looking to get a Suburban in two months, and my company qualifies as a GM supplier. This entitles me to getting a supplier discount. The discount is 4% over what a GM employee would have to pay.
I am looking to get a C1500 2WD 5.3L Engine. The only options I am looking to get is the LS Preferred Equipment Group ($6,384 invoice, $7,423 MSRP), and the Cloth High Back Reclining Bucket Seats. I was wondering if anyone knows what the GMS price that is listed on the invoice for a Suburban is. GM won't tell me. Thanks!
I have been waiting for the debut of the Z71 Suburban, based on the LS platform. I was advised that it became available on March 1st. I placed an order at a Southern California dealership on that day and was advised it would be built in Mexico. The dealer stated it may take some time to get it. Is there anybody out there that already has one? And if so, any comments? Cost quoted to me was almost $36,000 - loaded with everything but the engine block heater, sunroof and 4.10 axle ratio.
rab90: GMS supplier pricing will work out to approximately factory invoice or possibly a few hundred $ less than invoice. Any dealer can look up the GMS Supplier price on any given vehicle in their computer.
You can also use you GMS Supplier pricing for a substantial discount on an extended warranty. I used both GMS Supplier pricing for a 2001 DXL and for a 75K, 7 year, $100 ded. extended warranty. You'll need to call GM with your employer's name to receive the GMS Supplier form that will be used in closing the transaction with the dealer. (My dealer was the Flemington, NJ GMC dealership.)
Not all dealers will honor GMS Employee discounts and even less honor the Supplier discount. Even though the employee discount price is lower than the supplier price by 4%, dealers find the Supplier price less desirable because the employee discount is subsidized by GM whereas the Supplier price is simply selling the car at invoice with their hold-back as the only profit.
Both are great for the buyer with the employee discount being particulalrly attractive.
heatwave3: Thanks for the info. I already have my form, and I do know that it is a voluntary program. I will be shopping around to see who participates.
Just so I understand you, the GMS Supplier discount would be at just about invoice, and the employee discount would be 4% less than invoice?
I ordered a '00 Silverado LT, 4 dr. Ext Cab, 4WD in Jan '00, arrived 28 Feb 00. I paid GMS+3% which was $500.00 below dealer invoice. I addition, I used a $500 loyalty rebate for being a GM owner. I did not pay dealer prep, deal junk, add fees, undercoating, etc. Just sales tax, tag ($20), title ($25), and deal documentation fee of $50.00 (for the dealer processing the title application and getting the truck license tag for me).
I have an '01 Suburban, 2500 LT, 4WD, autoride,etc on order (TPW 3/26), which is to be purchased at GMS+4%. I already have the Dealer printout with a column of GMS+4 and a column of MSRP. This was provided to me before I agreed to let them order it (I have received the GMS Form and the $1000.00 rebate form good from 3/1 to 6/30/01).
Your dealer knows the price, but you must convince him that you WILL have the info or another dealer will give it to you.
I have 20 dealers within 30 miles of me so the competition around here is good and they know that this is a buyers market.
I saw one Sunday in Marietta, GA. It had the sunroof, pewter, gray interior, cargo doors. Looked like all other 1500's except it had manual lumbar with the leather seats (LS type I think), no body side molding, had a lower trim piece between the body and the black knerf bar. It had a modified luggage rack (fancier, similar to the Denali), the Z71 badges on the side where the LS / LT badges go. Seem like a lot of money for the Z71 badges. I would rather have the LT and add my own nerf bars, and the sun roof (How much do those Z71 badges cost anyway)?
rab90: Yes, GMS Supplier is equal to Employee + 4.0% which is somewhat variable by vehicle and should be a little less that factory invoice for the Supplier and at least Factory Invoice minus 4.0% for a GM employee.
BTW, don't be surprised if at first the dealership declines to honor the GMS price (this will occur after your salesman leaves you waiting at his desk while he goes to speak to his manager, they'll leave you cooling your heels for awhile, then the manager will likely come back and tell you that unfortunately they can't honor the GMS). Just let them know you have another dealer further away that has agreed to GMS pricing and that you are looking to purchase from that dealership because of their proximity to work or home.
Hi all: I posted a while back about the gas gauge reading empty and low fuel light coming on prematurely, and I said I'd post a message after the dealer had checked it out. Well, they checked the sending units and say everything is working fine. We drove for at least 40 miles after the light came on and even cramming as much gas as would go in, my wife couldn't put in more than 33 gallons. it doesn't make sense to me that they would design the warning system to activate so ridiculously early. Has anyone else had similar problems with their gas gauge/warning light? We also had to have the radiator replaced yesterday, with only 3600 miles on the clock. The low coolant light came on Saturday but there was no signs of a leak, even on Sunday, but by the time my wife got to the dealer on Monday it was leaking enough to leave a large puddle. Just lucky we weren't on a long trip! They didn't say what failed, just that they had to replace the radiator. Any one else have the same experience?
To < rab90 > and < heatwave3 > I am interested in clarifying available pricing. I typically use the invoice as my basis for negotiation. You mention GMS pricing and GM employee pricing. What is GMS? As a non-GM employee, is invoice the best I can expect? Tell me more about the conditions, terms, amount and dates of the rebate.
I recall that through an order number on a factory ordered Yukon, you can track the status of the order, including getting a TPW. Does anyone recall the web site or how to do it? Thanks in advance.
It really depends on your styling tastes. Aluminum is aluminum so it really depends on how close you want the bars, and if a clear coat was applied. I have seen them out there for the trucks, and they should fir the same. If you wanted a chrome grill that is factory, the ones on the HD series trucks would also work. Check out a couple of different places for pricing. Here are a few. www.performanceproducts.com www.stylinconcepts.com www.jcwhitney.com
I have a 2001 3/4 ton Yukon XL with a 38.5 gal tank. My warning light comes on when aproxamatly 5 gallons are left in the tank. The thinking behind it is so you will stop at the next gas station and not get stranded. I stopped and filled up the first time it came on and could only get 33 gallons in it, now I know and stop about 30 miles after it comes on and I have to put in 35 gallons in. One other reason for this is so you don't run the fuel pump dry, like when you corner and the gas sloshes around. That will really shorten the life of the pump. The engineers must have figured how much fuel is needed in the tank to keep the pump submerged, I figure at 7 gallons there is only about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch of fuel on the bottom of the tank, but that's only my guess.
A GM rep called me the other day about the cold air problem.After checking on it called me back yesterday.Apologised and said that they do not have a fix for it yet.
GMS is the price that a vehicle costs for a GM employee pays for a GM vehicle. It is an actual number that is printed on the invoice from the manufacturer.
The supplier discount is for employees of companies that are considered "suppliers" of GM. I work for a company that provides software to GM dealerships, and we are an official supplier for GM. It is set up through GM and there is a form involved that the dealership fills out and submits to GM after I buy the car.
I have contacted a dealer in my area last night, and they are a participating member of the GM supplier discount. The GMS price is right about invoice, so I will pay 4% over that without any haggles. This will put me right at the Edmunds TMV price for the Suburban I want. My philosophy has been if I can get withing +- $200 of the Edmunds TMV price without haggling, then the discount will be worth it. Now, if there is a rebate on Suburbans after April 3rd, then I will be real happy.
Saw a grill on Ford F150 last night. I was billet, but the Ford oval in the middle had a real subtle light behind it that gave it a real cool blue glow. It was clearly legible, but not gaudy. I haven't seen an illuminated bow tie yet, but I'm looking!
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for. You may be able to trace the shipping of your new Yukon with the VIN # available from your dealer. Try this site: http://www.bnsf.com/cws/tracing/index.html
Other railroads have similar tracing services. I was able to track the delivery of similarly VIN'd trucks, but never found mine till it was ready for delivery.
There is a $1000 rebate good from 3/1/01 to 6/30/01 for the purchase of a new Sub or YXL for owners of Sub, Tahoe, Yuk, or YXL or members of their immediate family (at the same address?). This can be used after all other discounts, or negotiated deals are said and done. Take it off the bottom line.
GMS is General Motors Employee from Stock GMO is General Motors Employee from Order
"GM Supplier + 4%" program is the price that a GM employee gets plus 4%. You are correct that the price is printed on the factory invoice shipped with the vehicle. They use that and add 4%. They will attempt to add the area advertisement price, etc.
Message #773 from Classic4. I have a 2000 Chevy Suburban 1500 4WD and on long trips (>1000 miles) my Chevy uses 2.5 quarts. I also went through the dealer testing, but, since I did not make long trips no usage was found. However, on the second long trip, I again used oil.
Am I doing anything wrong? I have very weak volume out of the rear radio jacks. It does not seem to matter what I am listening to CD/ or radio volume is very low. Looks like a waste of money so far. Any body else have any experiences? Bob S. Fl
rab90, dravery and dustyone: I think you might be abit off base on the pricing information for GMS and GMO, unless I misundertood your post. Let me take a crack at it again.
All GM dealerships have an employee price (otherwise known as GMS Employee Price) for all GM vehicles except the Corvette. The price is in the dealership computer updated from GM. It is approximately (but varies somewhat by vehicle) equal to the Manufacturer's factory invoice MINUS 4.0%.
All GM dealerships also have the right to honor(but not the obligation) discounted pricing for qualified employees of companies that supply products and services to GM (this pricing is called GMO Supplier Pricing). The GMO Supplier price is equal to the Employee discounted price plus 4.0%.
The GMO supplier price for the Denali XL I purchased was approximately $200 LESS than the factory invoice.
Under both discount programs the dealer cannot charge advertising or other extraneous expenses. In the end you should pay only the final GMO Supplier or GMS Employee price plus destination, tax and title....NOTHING ELSE.
balser-Here is the address for a truck mag that did an article on how to install a glowing bow-tie. Unfortunatly it did not give pricing,but the company that makes them is in the article.
Yes, that is how I understand it too. I have found a participating dealership in my area. The sales manager told me for a Suburban, my price would be 4% over invoice. If anyone has bought a Suburban using this method, please let me know what kind of deal you got. Thanks.
Hi--jtbuff--The 19th I met with GM district manager per my arbitration interim fix. He couldn`t feel incoming air I said (expletive) having to deal with excrement, we changed places and I could feel incoming air. Temp 51 degrees. He said that is the design it`s the temp sensing door and there is no fix now or ever. Going to reconvene my arbitration board to see what else will transpire. Anybody know how to start class action suit.
with the problem like your describing........the air we were getting was thru by the inside door handles, ended up taking the panel off, insulating & taping foam rubber to block, also had that problem on my 95 GMC Ext. Cab. I see Gm hasn't fixed anything.
" #833 of 835 GMS/GMO pricing by rab90 Mar 22, 2001 (06:19 am)
heatwave - Yes, that is how I understand it too. I have found a participating dealership in my area. The sales manager told me for a Suburban, my price would be 4% over invoice. If anyone has bought a Suburban using this method, please let me know what kind of deal you got. Thanks."
That is NOT my deal. I am getting under "dealer invoice" as shown on Edmunds, Kelly BB, etc. I am not paying 4% OVER INVOICE. My '01 2500 Sub will be here in two weeks so I'll see what is on the shipping invoice and compare to the numbers that I have already been given. Will let you know...(I have a printout from the dealer showing a column of GMO and a column of MSRP, the GMO price is less than Dealer Invoice. I will post the deal when I get the final numbers).
heatwave3: I think that you have this correct: "All GM dealerships also have the right to honor(but not the obligation) discounted pricing for qualified employees of companies that supply products and services to GM (this pricing is called GMO Supplier Pricing). The GMO Supplier price is equal to the Employee discounted price plus 4.0%. "
Thanks John - I also found a similar item on JC Whitney's web site. Pricing was around 40 to 50 bucks. Now if I can just get the 'burb away from my wife for a couple of hours.....
Hi-rleonard. If that is the design, why doesn't everyone have the cold air problem???? Sure hate to put up with this problem for as long as I have this YukonXL 2001. We made trips to Chicago this winter in zero temps and it is was pretty cold on legs on passenger side. Luckily had pillow to cover legs.At least warmer weather will be here soon.
You guys are very confused about the GM Supplier program. The price you pay as a supplier, is 4% above what an employee of GM can pay for the vehicle. As a employee of a supplier, that is THE price you pay, which is still BELOW invoice. The supplier price is listed right on the invoice. The dealer MUST show it to you. I just took delivery on my 2001 3/4 ton Suburban last Friday. The MSRP was $42,778. Invoice was $37,780. I paid $37,494.54 which is the GM supplier price. I was also able to take advantage of the $1000 customer loyalty coupon, which made my out the door price $36,494.54. SO, you can see, the GM supplier price is about $200-300 BELOW invoice. It is a GREAT deal. DON'T let the dealer try to add anything on.
I test drove one on March 2nd. I ordered one that evening. I also test drove an LT at the same time. In addition to some of the differences mentioned above, It also has 17 inch wheels (with goodyears!). It does have the LS type seats. Compared to a 4X4 LT, it costs about $2000 less. I found that the Z71 ride was slightly stiffer (I took it on some rough roads). It does have different shocks. It also has painted bumpers and grill. I understand that the lights in the luggage rack are not available.
The advert fee is often a legit fee, the amount seems right, but to keep it off the quote and then add it is definately shifty. as for the dealer invoice price dif: GM does raise their prices, and the price can change between the time you place your order with the dealer, and GM ACCEPTS the order from the dealer. Did you negotiate your price as X above invoice? If so this may be legit, if not its shifty. BTW your math doesn't add up, you haven't explained $176. what gives?
First the Supplier price is NOT on the Factory invoice. The factory invoice shows the price the dealer pays for a vehicle before he receives his withhold.
You will never see the GM Employee price on any documentation unless you are an employee of a dealership or are looking over the shoulder of someone on the dealer's computer. The GM employee price is approximately 4.0% less than the factory invoice price (although this can vary by vehicle).
The GMO Supplier price, which is available to employees of companies that supply products and services to GM (you might be surprised that your company qualifies...I work for a healthcare company). The GMO Supplier price is equal to the employee discount plus 4.0%. This final price should be approximately $200-300 UNDER factory invoice.
rab90: STOP!! If your dealer is telling you that your price is 4.0% OVER factory invoice, you are about to be robbed. Run from that dealer and ask no questions. If a dealer is honoring the Employee or Supplier discount program you should either be significantly below invoice for employees or a couple hundred bucks under invoice for employees.
Look up the factory invoice price on Edmunds for the vehicle you want and that will be the approximate price for the supplier discount or take approx. 4.0% off that price for the employee discount. Neither final walk-out-the-door price should include anything else on the sell sheet other than delivery, tax and title unless you specifically asked for it.
The 176.00 is an increase of 43.00 on Rear Lift Gate and 129.00 on Auotride (confirmed both on edmunds and carsdirect as accurate). I did negotiate $500.00 over invoice. I have a hard time with adding an Adv fee when that line was left blank on 3 seperate faxes I was sent to sign and fax back confirming my order.
For all of you questioning the GMS pricing, This may help. I have a dealer print out on the above vehicle. Here is what is listed on the print out:
The advert fee is often a legit fee, the amount seems right, but to keep it off the quote and then add it is definately shifty. as for the dealer invoice price dif: GM does raise their prices, and the price can change between the time you place your order with the dealer, and GM ACCEPTS the order from the dealer. Did you negotiate your price as X above invoice? If so this may be legit, if not its shifty. BTW your math doesn't add up, you haven't explained $176. what gives?
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I have a 2001 3/4 ton Yukon XL built in Salao Mexico. I love the vehicle but don't like the way GM charges the same money for it considering the labor cost is 1/4 that of the US assembled ones.
Now to the vehicle itself is great, no problems with it so far. The fit and finish is excellent, no squeaks or rattles. All the body lines are perfect, no air whistles or water leaks, sunroof runs smooth and seals up tight. Everything is extremely solid. Not one single complaint on the workmanship of it. It only took them 3 days to build it too, started on a Monday and shipped out by train on Friday. It was a long wait for the 3/4 ton though, 4 months one week before GM took the order and assigned it to a plant to be built, 4 days to build, and 2 weeks and one day to get it shipped to the dealer in MI.
I also wanted a product built in the US, but GM send out the work to the plants as it sees fit. Ecs4tru, do you work for GM? I do and still am wondering if that is why mine was sent to Mexico to be built. I imagine that even with the discount GM still made more money off of that truck than one built in the states.
As far as overheating my truck has always run at the 195 degrees temp and has not gone above it. Were you towing in a hot area at the time? Also the 8.1 Liter was supposed to have several enhancements to the cooling ability of the engine over the 454. My guess is that you have a defect of some kind.
http://si2kgmd:gmd0702d@service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=754901
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does not seem to matter what I am listening to CD/ or radio volume is very low.
Looks like a waste of money so far. Any body else have any experiences?
Bob
S. Fl
I am looking to get a C1500 2WD 5.3L Engine. The only options I am looking to get is the LS Preferred Equipment Group ($6,384 invoice, $7,423 MSRP), and the Cloth High Back Reclining Bucket Seats. I was wondering if anyone knows what the GMS price that is listed on the invoice for a Suburban is. GM won't tell me. Thanks!
You can also use you GMS Supplier pricing for a substantial discount on an extended warranty. I used both GMS Supplier pricing for a 2001 DXL and for a 75K, 7 year, $100 ded. extended warranty. You'll need to call GM with your employer's name to receive the GMS Supplier form that will be used in closing the transaction with the dealer. (My dealer was the Flemington, NJ GMC dealership.)
Not all dealers will honor GMS Employee discounts and even less honor the Supplier discount. Even though the employee discount price is lower than the supplier price by 4%, dealers find the Supplier price less desirable because the employee discount is subsidized by GM whereas the Supplier price is simply selling the car at invoice with their hold-back as the only profit.
Both are great for the buyer with the employee discount being particulalrly attractive.
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Several pages of the 2000 Service Manual ($125.00) have been compared to the online data.
They appear to be exactly the same..
Thanks for the info. I already have my form, and I do know that it is a voluntary program. I will be shopping around to see who participates.
Just so I understand you, the GMS Supplier discount would be at just about invoice, and the employee discount would be 4% less than invoice?
I have an '01 Suburban, 2500 LT, 4WD, autoride,etc on order (TPW 3/26), which is to be purchased at GMS+4%. I already have the Dealer printout with a column of GMS+4 and a column of MSRP. This was provided to me before I agreed to let them order it (I have received the GMS Form and the $1000.00 rebate form good from 3/1 to 6/30/01).
Your dealer knows the price, but you must convince him that you WILL have the info or another dealer will give it to you.
I have 20 dealers within 30 miles of me so the competition around here is good and they know that this is a buyers market.
BTW, don't be surprised if at first the dealership declines to honor the GMS price (this will occur after your salesman leaves you waiting at his desk while he goes to speak to his manager, they'll leave you cooling your heels for awhile, then the manager will likely come back and tell you that unfortunately they can't honor the GMS). Just let them know you have another dealer further away that has agreed to GMS pricing and that you are looking to purchase from that dealership because of their proximity to work or home.
I posted a while back about the gas gauge reading empty and low fuel light coming on prematurely, and I said I'd post a message after the dealer had checked it out. Well, they checked the sending units and say everything is working fine. We drove for at least 40 miles after the light came on and even cramming as much gas as would go in, my wife couldn't put in more than 33 gallons. it doesn't make sense to me that they would design the warning system to activate so ridiculously early. Has anyone else had similar problems with their gas gauge/warning light?
We also had to have the radiator replaced yesterday, with only 3600 miles on the clock. The low coolant light came on Saturday but there was no signs of a leak, even on Sunday, but by
the time my wife got to the dealer on Monday it was leaking enough to leave a large puddle. Just lucky we weren't on a long trip! They didn't say what failed, just that they had to replace the radiator. Any one else have the same experience?
www.performanceproducts.com
www.stylinconcepts.com
www.jcwhitney.com
GMS is the price that a vehicle costs for a GM employee pays for a GM vehicle. It is an actual number that is printed on the invoice from the manufacturer.
The supplier discount is for employees of companies that are considered "suppliers" of GM. I work for a company that provides software to GM dealerships, and we are an official supplier for GM. It is set up through GM and there is a form involved that the dealership fills out and submits to GM after I buy the car.
I have contacted a dealer in my area last night, and they are a participating member of the GM supplier discount. The GMS price is right about invoice, so I will pay 4% over that without any haggles. This will put me right at the Edmunds TMV price for the Suburban I want. My philosophy has been if I can get withing +- $200 of the Edmunds TMV price without haggling, then the discount will be worth it. Now, if there is a rebate on Suburbans after April 3rd, then I will be real happy.
Other railroads have similar tracing services. I was able to track the delivery of similarly VIN'd trucks, but never found mine till it was ready for delivery.
GMS is General Motors Employee from Stock
GMO is General Motors Employee from Order
"GM Supplier + 4%" program is the price that a GM employee gets plus 4%. You are correct that the price is printed on the factory invoice shipped with the vehicle. They use that and add 4%. They will attempt to add the area advertisement price, etc.
Dave
does not seem to matter what I am listening to CD/ or radio volume is very low.
Looks like a waste of money so far. Any body else have any experiences?
Bob
S. Fl
All GM dealerships have an employee price (otherwise known as GMS Employee Price) for all GM vehicles except the Corvette. The price is in the dealership computer updated from GM. It is approximately (but varies somewhat by vehicle) equal to the Manufacturer's factory invoice MINUS 4.0%.
All GM dealerships also have the right to honor(but not the obligation) discounted pricing for qualified employees of companies that supply products and services to GM (this pricing is called GMO Supplier Pricing). The GMO Supplier price is equal to the Employee discounted price plus 4.0%.
The GMO supplier price for the Denali XL I purchased was approximately $200 LESS than the factory invoice.
Under both discount programs the dealer cannot charge advertising or other extraneous expenses. In the end you should pay only the final GMO Supplier or GMS Employee price plus destination, tax and title....NOTHING ELSE.
Has anyone else had a different experience?
http://www.d-p-g.com/chevytruck/currentissue/html/Glow.htm
Yes, that is how I understand it too. I have found a participating dealership in my area. The sales manager told me for a Suburban, my price would be 4% over invoice. If anyone has bought a Suburban using this method, please let me know what kind of deal you got. Thanks.
heatwave -
Yes, that is how I understand it too. I have found a participating dealership in my area. The sales manager told me for a Suburban, my price would be 4% over invoice. If anyone has bought a Suburban using this method, please let me know what kind of deal you got. Thanks."
That is NOT my deal. I am getting under "dealer invoice" as shown on Edmunds, Kelly BB, etc. I am not paying 4% OVER INVOICE. My '01 2500 Sub will be here in two weeks so I'll see what is on the shipping invoice and compare to the numbers that I have already been given. Will let you know...(I have a printout from the dealer showing a column of GMO and a column of MSRP, the GMO price is less than Dealer Invoice. I will post the deal when I get the final numbers).
heatwave3:
I think that you have this correct:
"All GM dealerships also have the right to honor(but not the obligation) discounted pricing for qualified employees of companies that supply products and services to GM (this pricing is called GMO Supplier Pricing). The GMO Supplier price is equal to the Employee discounted price plus 4.0%. "
I just took delivery on my 2001 3/4 ton Suburban last Friday. The MSRP was $42,778. Invoice was $37,780. I paid $37,494.54 which is the GM supplier price. I was also able to take advantage of the $1000 customer loyalty coupon, which made my out the door price $36,494.54.
SO, you can see, the GM supplier price is about $200-300 BELOW invoice. It is a GREAT deal.
DON'T let the dealer try to add anything on.
Fred
First the Supplier price is NOT on the Factory invoice. The factory invoice shows the price the dealer pays for a vehicle before he receives his withhold.
You will never see the GM Employee price on any documentation unless you are an employee of a dealership or are looking over the shoulder of someone on the dealer's computer. The GM employee price is approximately 4.0% less than the factory invoice price (although this can vary by vehicle).
The GMO Supplier price, which is available to employees of companies that supply products and services to GM (you might be surprised that your company qualifies...I work for a healthcare company). The GMO Supplier price is equal to the employee discount plus 4.0%. This final price should be approximately $200-300 UNDER factory invoice.
rab90: STOP!! If your dealer is telling you that your price is 4.0% OVER factory invoice, you are about to be robbed. Run from that dealer and ask no questions. If a dealer is honoring the Employee or Supplier discount program you should either be significantly below invoice for employees or a couple hundred bucks under invoice for employees.
Look up the factory invoice price on Edmunds for the vehicle you want and that will be the approximate price for the supplier discount or take approx. 4.0% off that price for the employee discount. Neither final walk-out-the-door price should include anything else on the sell sheet other than delivery, tax and title unless you specifically asked for it.
For all of you questioning the GMS pricing, This may help. I have a dealer print out on the above vehicle. Here is what is listed on the print out:
MSRP - 44031.00
Invoice - 38838.00 (With 424.00 Ad Fee)
GMS - 37108.34
GMS Supplier: 38592.67
Note that the GMS Supplier is +4% of GMS Employee price
Hope that helps. Any more perspectives on my Ad Fee question?