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Mazda couldn't initially afford to take Ford's risk of contracting for so many parts and since Tribute production was so high at the beginning, they simply ran out of key parts. Mazda engineering didn't realize how popular ABS would be. Their timid planning has created a fiasco just when there is a huge pileup of orders for spring delivery. To avoid embarrasment from overextended lead times for more key parts they have stopped accepting new orders while they try to catch up. Expect Tributes to continue in short supply and Escapes to be easier to buy in the next few months all because of planning early on.
Five isn't bad and they were addressed immediately. Be thankful they didn't pull a "Firestone" and pretend the defects weren't there. I had to wait two months for my AS because of the quality-based delays. Our Tribute is one of the best built vehicles I have owned among the domestic and European cars in my history.
As for the poster that believes the American assembly plant is a problem in itself, keep in mind that Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, BMW, Honda, and Mercedes, all build cars in U.S. plants. I was in the F16 Plant in Fort Worth once. Guess what? When the break bell rings everyone drops what they are doing and takes their break. In the monotony of assembly line work the technicians need to take those breaks. Henry Ford new that when he built his Model T.
So, if you see a Tribute with white-faced gauges, and no factory sticker, chances are it's gray market -- a Canadian vehicle that has been imported and had the instrument cluster swapped.
It sounds like a great vehicle. We especially like the fact that it has a V6 versus just a 4 cylinder (Honday CR-V is 4 banger only). What I would like to know is if anyone has seen any crash test data on these vehicles yet. The NHTA site says they are coming in Feb. but no specific dates. I haven't checked on test results for the Ford Escape yet but could those be considered the same given the bloodline? We're not hurting for a new vehicle and certainly in sunny California (SF Bay area) the AWD/4WD is not a huge factor. We can wait if necessary but I'd like to avoid the feeding frenzy that the Odyssey cooked up. Any info would be appreciated.
opiesan
I ordered the vehicle with ABS,Moonroof,Luxury
Package, even all weather floor mats. I live in
the greater Chicago area. The saleman told me
it could take anywhere from 2 to 3 months. After
reading posts here the last few days, I'm wondering if my wait may be longer. Oh, The whole
Chicago area are selling the trucks at sticker.
Some even more. There have been a few in the newpaper for under MSRP, but they have not been the ES, or model with a lot of options. I'm starting to wonder if I should maybe consider paying about $5000 more and consider a Nissan
Pathfinder LX?
The rear heat comes from under the seat .That is where i feel it and believe there are vents there.
One dealer actually told me no orders for a year. I think that salesperson was an idiot who wanted me to pay $3000 over sticker for one on the lot.
The dealer who said orders will not be accepted until March has verbally agreed to take my offer of $500 over invoice on an ordered ES as soon as he can again place orders.
I wanted ABS brakes, but did not get them. I live in Kentucky and we have had lots of snow and ice and the Tribute has done great!
BTW, I went by the Mazda dealership to have my first oil change..they were super nice, and I noticed 21 Tributes on the lot...granted some were DX, but some were LS. Maybe some of you who are waiting should call Paul Miller Ford/Mazda in Lexington, KY.
Love my Tribute!!! Why order, why wait???
Dealers like nothing better than dreamy eyed consumers who are so hooked on a vehicle that they will do anything to drive it away today.
No, I don't order my clothes, but by the same token I don't buy the wrong size - a color I don't like - or pay full price. Why when I don't need to? So far, tomorrow has always come.
Operating under that assumption, when the needle falls to 'half', you really have closer to a little under two-thirds (10 gallons) of gas left, rather than a true half tank of gas (8 gallons).
I can only surmise that the top half of the gas tank must be of a very restrictive, odd shape, maybe coming to a severe point, for the gauge needle to move in such a manner.
This may be the result of Ford using up every available bit of space for the gas tank to get a respectable enough capacity and, in doing so, having what appears to be an odd pattern of fuel consumption as indicated by the gas gauge.
It may even be directly related to the fact that the RPC is located directly in front of the the rear differential which could have cut into an area normally used for gas tank usage.
Overall, it looks promising - though the safety cage and structure looks like it could use some more improvement -, but the actual IIHS crash test on the actual Tribute/Escape itself should be interesting.
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The Tribute looks like a winner, but I'm wondering about how reliable Mazda vehicles are. I'm a Honda owner, and those cars keep chugging along over a decade after they're produced with very few problems. Can this be said of Mazda's, as well? Thanks.
Had perhaps the best car purchasing experience ever, at Shults Ford in Allison Park, PA (suburb of Pittsburgh). They gave me what they promised with no bad surprises--only good ones. I was waiting for them to say "oh, because it took so long, we're cutting down your trade."
I dealt with Scott.
I traded in my great, 4-year old RAV 4, which for the first time when trading in a car, was in perfect condition. Someone's going to get a very reliable car! The manual windows/doors were starting to drive me out of my mind after 4 years. With 2 kids, someone's always leaving a door unlocked.
The Escape is just wonderful. No gas smell or poor gas mileage (I'm getting about 17 from the first 2 tanks). No other problems either.
And most of all...no regrets!
Will keep posted on outcome, returning to dealership on 2-5-01.
Regarding driver seat track, I have an DX with cloth seats and I don't have any problems moving it.
also see Post 172 earlier in that same discussion. Note that you can get Mazda S PIN because Mazda is a joint partner with Ford. See also Post 394 on Yahoo fordescapeclub which indicates that the plan may end thru eaa in march.
Regarding safety beams, yes they are built into the doors. Also a recent post on Yahoo said that government side impact tests made this month gave 5 stars on side impact (highest rating)
So far My wife and I both enjoy it. All 80 miles on it now. I am curious on the mpg since finding this board 2 hours ago, reading the posts. I payed sticker and Mazda 5 yr. financing @ 7.5%. Up here MN they have increased the price. 2nd time will be in this quarter ($400 increments).
I plan on staying tuned into the board..
Also looking for accessories sites.
The situation is vastly different with respect to Ford Escapes. They seem to be much more available. Additionally, many dealers are quite willing to accept the X plan (Ford's version of the S plan which is Mazda only). You will likely find many Ford dealers willing to accept a few hundred over invoice even for a vehicle on the lot. The law of supply and demand in action. If you are indifferent between the Escape and the Tribute, you clearly can get a much better deal on an Escape. I happened to much prefer the Tribute. I had to really take a deep breath before signing the purchase contract, however, because it is costing my almost $2000 more than what I could have purchased the Escape for. I may regret that decision later. Who knows? Good luck!
Evidently, although 4WD is better for traction, 2WD with snow tires is better for slowing down because of the reduction in mass and the fact that only 2 wheels are being driven.
I think that this slowing down business is one of the major reasons that SUVs get involved in accidents. SUV drivers may tend to feel a false sense of security by the added traction 4WD affords when, in fact, when trying to stop, their 4WD capability actually becomes a hinderance.
i have 4wd, and i havent found the need to use 4wd other than getting over the huge mound of snow the snowplow puts directly in front of my driveway
If this is the case, then spending the extra money for a 4WD Tribute or Escape instead of the 2WD might be akin to filling up with premium or mid-grade gasoline when all that is needed is regular grade.
Does anyone know of any other front-drive vehicles with more ground clearance than the Tribute/Escape? The only other ones that might come close would be the Forester or Santa Fe and I think they both have less.
My ES 4WD with 3,964 miles is running at about 19 mpg. Mostly city driving. Stalled at 3,681 miles. In shop now after engine warning light lit. Enjoyed it up to now. Hope it doesn't sit in shop for six weeks.
This site isn't connected to all dealers by any means, but it might be worth checking -- it's the only one I found offering this kind of search capability. By entering bogus home zip code info, you can even check other areas around the country (for the right deal, I was prepared to fly out a reasonable distance and drive the car home). My observation was that the Tribute inventory is very unevenly allocated -- there seem to be hardly any of them in the Midwest, but many dealers in the Southeast and East Coast appear to have them in stock. One dealer in Boston showed 25 available!
By calling the dealer, you probably took food off their table too.
Steve
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Any further troubles with windshield wipers?
Although the site is solely for Fords, Mazda's S-plan is the same as Ford X-plan so the info for the X-plan applies.
www.eaa.org
Good way to become eligible for the S-plan, but I wouldn't dally about joining. There have been rumors that EAA membership eligibility for X/S plan pricing will expire in March.
I wonder how the EAA has been doing the last few months. Anyone want to bet that they had a recent surge in membership...