Do you think it would do better than your uncle's Corolla? I'd say the fuel economy of a Civic would be somewhere in the Corolla's neighborhood. That is, unless you got Civic hybrid.
Yeah, I'd guess they'd be close. My uncle's Corolla was rated at 30/38, whereas the Civic was 30/40. That's before the new 2007/2008 downward-revised numbers came out. I find the Civic to be more comfortable than the Corolla. I used to like its styling better too, but I do like what they did with the Corolla for 2009.
I'm going to fill up the Intrepid tonight, check its fluids, tire pressure, etc, to get it ready for my trip up to PA tomorrow morning. I'll be curious to see what kind of economy it gets. IF it gets me there, that is. Last time I tried to drive it up to PA, it died about 2 miles from my house! Had it back from the mechanic for about 9 days now though, and it's behaved perfectly. Usually I'd get around 27-28 on that trip, but last October, coming back from Fall Carlisle, I think I got around 31.
It wouldn't pay me to buy a Civic or Corolla just to save gas, but I'm starting to think long term, down the road, as that Intrepid isn't going to last forever.
Andre, I've noticed that '91 Civic made a huge impression on you based on the number of times you've discussed it. I think it is time, you sold a disco barge and added one to your fleet.
Andre, I've noticed that '91 Civic made a huge impression on you based on the number of times you've discussed it.
Actually I did like that car. It wasn't without its faults, but it left a favorable enough impression with me overall that small cars could be decent. I do have to admit though that when I turned that thing back in and got back behind the wheel of my '69 Dart, it just felt soooo much better!
Dunno if I'm ready to part with one of my hedonistic loveboats just yet, but I'd consider replacing the Intrepid with one.
I've always heard that Hondas are hard to come by as rentals, but I had a '91 Civic as a rental ages ago.
Honda doesn't do fleet sales as such, so finding one on a rental lot is pretty rare. Their numbers from fleetcentral.com are usually something like 2 or 4%.
Market realities will always be more effective than legislation. Exhibit A: recent announcements from GM and Ford. Had the market not shifted, I seriously doubt those announcements would have been made. Instead I would have expected more efforts to gut, subvert, get around, or revise the legislation. Old habits die hard.
I can't adequately express how much it bothers me that I'm not all that surprised.
I can relate, as nothing surprises me much in our decadent society. I imagine if they catch those guys that hit that poor fellow they will let them off because they were raised in a dysfunctional family. The only thing missing in that story was a video of someone grabbing the man's food and wallet.
"DARTMOUTH, Massachusetts (AP) -- Authorities say a couple trying to beat the high cost of gasoline accidentally caused a fire that burned their apartment complex.
Fire Chief Richard Arruda says the couple had about 45 gallons of gasoline in nine plastic jugs stacked in a closet that also housed an air conditioning unit."
The price of oil is experiencing convulsions. Up $12 in just 2 days. I think part of the problem in all this is that all of this is happening so fast. It's hard for anyone to adjust, from complex businesses like GM and the airlines to the poor smuck just trying to get to work.
What I find interesting is A: how far oil and gas prices have diverged, and B: how scared the futures traders got when someone mentioned the word "investigation" :P
Weather permitting, I'll be bringing the 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance. The sticker on the window claimed 17 MPG City and 24 MPG Highway. Took it to Florida (Tampa) and back twice so far and upstate a few times. The Highway mileage is pretty accurate, but the City mileage is ambitious. Been using the Park Ave for most of my city excursions except for a few nice days and nights on the town. It wouldn't look so hot pulling up to an exclusive restaurant in my hoopty.
...around the time I bought my Park Avenue, I was looking at a 1993 Civic four-door, but the car already had 93K miles, was a five-speed manual, and they wanted $4,500 for it. The car appeared to be in great condition, but the miles and the fact it was a stick kept me from buying it.
So she is an idiot why? I guess you've pulled the statistics and it indicates that riding a bicycle on that road results in substantially more injuries/fatalities per mile than car travel or that road has more bike accidents than similar nearby roads. Surely you did a little research before coming to your conclusion because it doesn't sound at all obvious to me from reading your post.
Surely not!! This issue has nothing to do with relative injuries by car or bike per miles travelled.
Statistics and research have nothing to do with her lack of judgement in selecting a road to ride on. I would hope that no bike rider were ever injured, regardless of their foolish behaviour and bad judgement. I always exercise extreme caution and slow down and give lots of space to any bike riders I encounter.
I did not indicate the road gridwork near this US numbered route that she was on, but there are a number of other county and township roads in the area that have light vehicular travel that could have been chosen for her ride. Being that it was a Sunday, I would guess that she was riding for pleasure and not commuting to work. She was dressed in bike garb. The area involved is mostly rural with farms prevalent.
We are getting into the season where I start to see a lot of idiots riding pocket rockets wearing nothing but shorts and sandals. Man I would hate to be by them when they lay their bike down dressed like that.
But, they are saving gasoline by riding a motorcycle rather than a big pickup or suv.
What is disturbing is to see usually young women dressed in shorts and brief top and sandals as passenger on motorcycle driven by their boyfriend/husband. They have no idea the pain and suffering they would endure in hospital having surgeon and nurses cleaning up their skin and removing dirt and pebbles in event of bike fall-down.
Here is my two cents worth: I feel that gas prices are here to stay in the high $3 dollar range to $4 plus (maybe higher). The SUV/Truck people are racing to the dealerships to dump their gas guzzlers. I own a Silverado and don't plan on getting rid of it right away as I own a Mazda MPV and only work about four miles from home. Two reasons, one I want to see if the auto manufacturers will come up with a way to modify my truck to get better gas mileage. This would be a great PR move as it would send a message that they care and create an atmosphere of brand loyalty. Two, the SUV/Truck market is fairly small when it comes to good gas mileage vehicles. I feel that you need to give it a couple of years for them to bolster the market with new models. It is then that I would start my search. I think you will see the small trucks of the past come back and be much improved on room and design. You will also see a more versatile line of SUV's that also get better gas mileage.
Hey, I'm a BIG fan of mass transit, however yesterday was "take mom to a few appointments" day, and she is not the best at the up/down bunches of stairs thing.
For days that I am in the city myself I tend to park and subway around to different places... just way more efficient.
Just took the bus yesterday. You meet the nicest people on SEPTA. Sat across from a tattooed young mother in a tube top that is past the point of wearing something like that gracefully and a punk rocker complete with mohawk, piercings, and leather attire.
I think the only things that will help mpg on those boogers are a block under the gas pedal so you can't go past half-throttle, and the tallest rear gear you can find. Just about every truck or SUV built in the last decade has enough horspower and torque to pull a sub-3 gear in overdrive.
Funny thing... I was in Philly yesterday, got on a bus - sat next to this hot chick in a real sexy tube top.... some old square was sitting across from us checkin' her out. I think he was jealous of my studs too.
Sadly, I have to admit the behavior of the drivers of the two cars that were apparently "racing" doesn't really surprise me that much. I can't adequately express how much it bothers me that I'm not all that surprised.
but the behavior of everyone else in the following minutes
just completely disgusting
And that sort of driver and general behavior is not necessarily unique to Hartford. There are many people who don't give a rat's a__ about your well-being. Thus that is why some of us here keep saying that being on a bike on a road (including crossing a road on the sidewalk), vs. being in the relative safety of 2 tons of steel, is relatively dangerous.
B: how scared the futures traders got when someone mentioned the word "investigation.
The same thing would happen at an auction. If the buyers and sellers at a car auction heard that the government was going to investigate why car prices were swinging wildly, and MAY implement legislation to stop the market-pricing, they would be nervous also. Nervous they would have to fill out a lot of paperwork and the buyers wouldn't be able to get profit, and the buyers wouldn't be able to get product (as the buyers would be unwilling to sell).
The government might as well go investigate people who "flip" houses, or stock traders. My company's stock is up 50% this year; does this mean there's some sort of fraud and market manipulation?
In my state - New York - cyclists are explicitly barred from riding on certain limited-access highways (notably, the Thruway) but have equal rights on all other public roads. As long as the cyclist obeys the law, he/she has just as much of a right to be on that road as does a motorist.
I imagine that the same is true in your state. Yet your original post suggested that the cyclist in question really had no business being on that particular road at that particular time - that she was an intruder. Is your point of view consistent with your state's law? My guess is that it's not - that your state treats cyclists & motorists as legal equals with the same rights & responsibilities.
The government might as well go investigate people who "flip" houses, or stock traders. My company's stock is up 50% this year; does this mean there's some sort of fraud and market manipulation?
That depends on whether or not they manipulated the market. :shades: However, to this point, no one's saying anything beyond investigating, and "opening" futures trading. If they're afraid of that then maybe what they're doing won't stand the light of day, so to speak.
It's certainly possible to make a profit honestly, and I applaud those who get rich honestly. But people who do it honestly don't usually fear things like investigations and public scrutiny. Well, at least not MUCH on the investigation part. :P
But people who do it honestly don't usually fear things like investigations and public scrutiny. Well, at least not MUCH on the investigation part.
So even though you have never done anything illegal or unethical, you wouldn't mind if the IRS audits you, and wants to keep asking you questions for the next few years?
My guess is that it's not - that your state treats cyclists & motorists as legal equals with the same rights & responsibilities.
I had this discussion a few weeks ago with tedebear. The law can say all sorts of things, but the reality on the street is different. For example: the law says that public parking on the street, is for anyone; the reality is that in the winter the spot "belongs" to he who shoveled it, and put the chair in the spot. The law says don't drive drunk, but many people do and present a danger; the law says you have free speech and you can go up to someone's girlfriend and tell her she smells like a pig ...
I suggest you use common-sense, and follow what's customary.
The IRS has that right. Much as the IRS is the evil spawn of Satan, that's the law of the land...if they have a reasonable belief that I might be cheating, then they can investigate me. I especially don't mind since they would quickly see that I did nothing wrong.
I'm not a cyclist - for all the usual reasons - & in any case, I'm inclined to agree with you. But I was struck by the tone of the original post. xrunner2 went beyond simply suggesting that cyclists should be cautious when riding on busy roads. He seemed resentful & almost angry that he should have to slow down to safely pass this cyclist.
He seemed resentful & almost angry that he should have to slow down to safely pass this cyclist.
Yes I can understand that. When the customary speed and flow of the road is X mph, and a person whether on a bike, walking, on a moped, or a pogo stick interrupts the regular customary flow of traffic, people can get upset. Similarly if I'm at the grocery store and everyone pays for their groceries using $20 bills, and you get in behind someone who's paying for their groceries using $1's and quarters and dimes, you might get angry.
In NY, a cyclist who's obeying the traffic laws - as the cyclist described by the OP apparently was - is not considered to be an obstruction. This is probably true in most states.
NY law does require a group of cyclists riding abreast to form a single file if motor vehicles are trying to overtake & pass. A group failing to comply with this requirement might be considered to be an obstruction. In nice weather, I often encounter large groups of cyclists who ignore this rule. They certainly obstruct the flow of traffic & in doing so, annoy me. But law-abiding cyclists don't bother me & they shouldn't bother other motorists.
law-abiding cyclists don't bother me & they shouldn't bother other motorists.
hehe, that's a tough sell.
Then again, I'm one of those maddening drivers who does the speed limit while in the left lane. I move to the right lane if I want to go below the speed limit. Pisses off a lot of folks.
In my state - New York - cyclists are explicitly barred from riding on certain limited-access highways (notably, the Thruway) but have equal rights on all other public roads. As long as the cyclist obeys the law, he/she has just as much of a right to be on that road as does a motorist.
The issue was the judgement of the woman bicyclist to be on a 55 MPH US 2-lane numbered highway that is heavily travelled by semis as well as cars, trucks and suvs. I did mention that the road is mostly double yellow marked with crests, dips and curves. When I passed this woman maybe at 15 we were in a curve and at a crest. Semis do go 55 MPH and more over most of this road. Having driven this road for 20 years, it is very common to see many semis going in both directions over the length that I travel it.
I will say again that this woman was an idiot and a fool by her lack of judgement. She had many other far safer choices of semi-free and very lightly travelled roads nearby in this particular township of our county to exercise her right to travel on public roads.
The price of oil went up 8.5% today. If the price of your gas doesn't go up $0.25 tomorrow be thankful; but remember this is why it does go up over the coming days.
Yea, oil spiked over 8% today because some "analyst" thinks it COULD be $150 by July.
This is getting VERY frustrating as the price of crude has absolutely nothing to do with supplies or demand of the oil itself.
Morgan Stanley analyst Ole Slorer predicted strong demand in Asia could drive prices to $150 by Independence Day
Note the qualify "could" in his expert analysis. Honestly, I think that old Ole's positions in oil futures needs to be checked out. And that of his freinds and associates too.
There are people playing games in the commodity markets that are having HUGE impacts on everyone else with no apparent regard other than "it's legal and it's the way the market works".
In a soon to be released tell-all tale, former Cramer & Company employee Nicholas Maier accuses TheStreet.com's co-founder of using CNBC anchors and his own television appearances to promote stocks that he would promptly sell, making a quick gain on the upswing.
The issue was the judgement of the woman bicyclist to be on a 55 MPH US 2-lane numbered highway that is heavily travelled by semis as well as cars, trucks and suvs.
Many things that are unwise enjoy the protection of the law. Whether or not they should enjoy that protection is a matter to be taken up with the legislature, not an Internet forum. :P
pf: There are people playing games in the commodity markets that are having HUGE impacts on everyone else with no apparent regard other than "it's legal and it's the way the market works".
me: Many times I was told the same thing about buying a house or renting in the Boston area. Some developers and real estate speculators could have been considered speculators. And then an article or 2 would come out in the Boston Globe talking about how prices were going to continue going up and there was a housing shortage. It sounds pretty similar to me. I certainly was affected!
Doesn't our government manipulate us and the press with all the IF's and COULD's? If Vietnam falls to the Communists ... If Saddam is allowed to keep his WMD's...
It's dropping more and more each day around where I live. Yesterday it was down to $3.81 from $3.84 earlier in the week. Today it's down to $3.79.
The irony is that I apparently live in an area with below average gas prices and I'm one of the few people on here who doesn't need gas to get to work each day.
Not to get too off topic but everything I have ever read about Cramer says that he doesn't own any stocks in his own personally portfolio period. His contract with CNBC bars him from doing that and the closest he comes to owning stocks is the charitable trust he manages but even that is traded in the open so to say.
It will be interesting to see what the book comes out with to refute that.
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Yeah, I'd guess they'd be close. My uncle's Corolla was rated at 30/38, whereas the Civic was 30/40. That's before the new 2007/2008 downward-revised numbers came out. I find the Civic to be more comfortable than the Corolla. I used to like its styling better too, but I do like what they did with the Corolla for 2009.
I'm going to fill up the Intrepid tonight, check its fluids, tire pressure, etc, to get it ready for my trip up to PA tomorrow morning. I'll be curious to see what kind of economy it gets. IF it gets me there, that is. Last time I tried to drive it up to PA, it died about 2 miles from my house! Had it back from the mechanic for about 9 days now though, and it's behaved perfectly. Usually I'd get around 27-28 on that trip, but last October, coming back from Fall Carlisle, I think I got around 31.
It wouldn't pay me to buy a Civic or Corolla just to save gas, but I'm starting to think long term, down the road, as that Intrepid isn't going to last forever.
Actually I did like that car. It wasn't without its faults, but it left a favorable enough impression with me overall that small cars could be decent. I do have to admit though that when I turned that thing back in and got back behind the wheel of my '69 Dart, it just felt soooo much better!
Dunno if I'm ready to part with one of my hedonistic loveboats just yet, but I'd consider replacing the Intrepid with one.
Honda doesn't do fleet sales as such, so finding one on a rental lot is pretty rare. Their numbers from fleetcentral.com are usually something like 2 or 4%.
I can relate, as nothing surprises me much in our decadent society. I imagine if they catch those guys that hit that poor fellow they will let them off because they were raised in a dysfunctional family. The only thing missing in that story was a video of someone grabbing the man's food and wallet.
Fire Chief Richard Arruda says the couple had about 45 gallons of gasoline in nine plastic jugs stacked in a closet that also housed an air conditioning unit."
CNN
What I find interesting is A: how far oil and gas prices have diverged, and B: how scared the futures traders got when someone mentioned the word "investigation" :P
Surely not!! This issue has nothing to do with relative injuries by car or bike per miles travelled.
Statistics and research have nothing to do with her lack of judgement in selecting a road to ride on. I would hope that no bike rider were ever injured, regardless of their foolish behaviour and bad judgement. I always exercise extreme caution and slow down and give lots of space to any bike riders I encounter.
I did not indicate the road gridwork near this US numbered route that she was on, but there are a number of other county and township roads in the area that have light vehicular travel that could have been chosen for her ride. Being that it was a Sunday, I would guess that she was riding for pleasure and not commuting to work. She was dressed in bike garb. The area involved is mostly rural with farms prevalent.
But, they are saving gasoline by riding a motorcycle rather than a big pickup or suv.
What is disturbing is to see usually young women dressed in shorts and brief top and sandals as passenger on motorcycle driven by their boyfriend/husband. They have no idea the pain and suffering they would endure in hospital having surgeon and nurses cleaning up their skin and removing dirt and pebbles in event of bike fall-down.
I feel that gas prices are here to stay in the high $3 dollar range to $4 plus (maybe higher). The SUV/Truck people are racing to the dealerships to dump their gas guzzlers. I own a Silverado and don't plan on getting rid of it right away as I own a Mazda MPV and only work about four miles from home. Two reasons, one I want to see if the auto manufacturers will come up with a way to modify my truck to get better gas mileage. This would be a great PR move as it would send a message that they care and create an atmosphere of brand loyalty. Two, the SUV/Truck market is fairly small when it comes to good gas mileage vehicles. I feel that you need to give it a couple of years for them to bolster the market with new models. It is then that I would start my search. I think you will see the small trucks of the past come back and be much improved on room and design. You will also see a more versatile line of SUV's that also get better gas mileage.
Hey, I'm a BIG fan of mass transit, however yesterday was "take mom to a few appointments" day, and she is not the best at the up/down bunches of stairs thing.
For days that I am in the city myself I tend to park and subway around to different places... just way more efficient.
but the behavior of everyone else in the following minutes
just completely disgusting
And that sort of driver and general behavior is not necessarily unique to Hartford. There are many people who don't give a rat's a__ about your well-being. Thus that is why some of us here keep saying that being on a bike on a road (including crossing a road on the sidewalk), vs. being in the relative safety of 2 tons of steel, is relatively dangerous.
The same thing would happen at an auction. If the buyers and sellers at a car auction heard that the government was going to investigate why car prices were swinging wildly, and MAY implement legislation to stop the market-pricing, they would be nervous also. Nervous they would have to fill out a lot of paperwork and the buyers wouldn't be able to get profit, and the buyers wouldn't be able to get product (as the buyers would be unwilling to sell).
The government might as well go investigate people who "flip" houses, or stock traders. My company's stock is up 50% this year; does this mean there's some sort of fraud and market manipulation?
I imagine that the same is true in your state. Yet your original post suggested that the cyclist in question really had no business being on that particular road at that particular time - that she was an intruder. Is your point of view consistent with your state's law? My guess is that it's not - that your state treats cyclists & motorists as legal equals with the same rights & responsibilities.
That depends on whether or not they manipulated the market. :shades: However, to this point, no one's saying anything beyond investigating, and "opening" futures trading. If they're afraid of that then maybe what they're doing won't stand the light of day, so to speak.
It's certainly possible to make a profit honestly, and I applaud those who get rich honestly. But people who do it honestly don't usually fear things like investigations and public scrutiny. Well, at least not MUCH on the investigation part. :P
don't count on it unless someone has it as a specialty car at a premium (like Economy).
The Civic is the best selling car right now. Most rentals are from the big three or the Camry when they are trying be number one in cars sold.
So even though you have never done anything illegal or unethical, you wouldn't mind if the IRS audits you, and wants to keep asking you questions for the next few years?
I had this discussion a few weeks ago with tedebear. The law can say all sorts of things, but the reality on the street is different.
For example: the law says that public parking on the street, is for anyone; the reality is that in the winter the spot "belongs" to he who shoveled it, and put the chair in the spot. The law says don't drive drunk, but many people do and present a danger; the law says you have free speech and you can go up to someone's girlfriend and tell her she smells like a pig ...
I suggest you use common-sense, and follow what's customary.
Yes I can understand that. When the customary speed and flow of the road is X mph, and a person whether on a bike, walking, on a moped, or a pogo stick interrupts the regular customary flow of traffic, people can get upset. Similarly if I'm at the grocery store and everyone pays for their groceries using $20 bills, and you get in behind someone who's paying for their groceries using $1's and quarters and dimes, you might get angry.
NY law does require a group of cyclists riding abreast to form a single file if motor vehicles are trying to overtake & pass. A group failing to comply with this requirement might be considered to be an obstruction. In nice weather, I often encounter large groups of cyclists who ignore this rule. They certainly obstruct the flow of traffic & in doing so, annoy me. But law-abiding cyclists don't bother me & they shouldn't bother other motorists.
I'd simply like to see a local cyclist who stops at controlled intersections like a motorist. It has yet to happen.
hehe, that's a tough sell.
Then again, I'm one of those maddening drivers who does the speed limit while in the left lane. I move to the right lane if I want to go below the speed limit. Pisses off a lot of folks.
The issue was the judgement of the woman bicyclist to be on a 55 MPH US 2-lane numbered highway that is heavily travelled by semis as well as cars, trucks and suvs. I did mention that the road is mostly double yellow marked with crests, dips and curves. When I passed this woman maybe at 15 we were in a curve and at a crest. Semis do go 55 MPH and more over most of this road. Having driven this road for 20 years, it is very common to see many semis going in both directions over the length that I travel it.
I will say again that this woman was an idiot and a fool by her lack of judgement. She had many other far safer choices of semi-free and very lightly travelled roads nearby in this particular township of our county to exercise her right to travel on public roads.
This is getting VERY frustrating as the price of crude has absolutely nothing to do with supplies or demand of the oil itself.
Morgan Stanley analyst Ole Slorer predicted strong demand in Asia could drive prices to $150 by Independence Day
Note the qualify "could" in his expert analysis. Honestly, I think that old Ole's positions in oil futures needs to be checked out. And that of his freinds and associates too.
There are people playing games in the commodity markets that are having HUGE impacts on everyone else with no apparent regard other than "it's legal and it's the way the market works".
Check out this news story too if you don't think the possibility exists to manipulate prices through "news and analysis".
http://www.forbes.com/2002/03/01/0301cramer.html
In a soon to be released tell-all tale, former Cramer & Company employee Nicholas Maier accuses TheStreet.com's co-founder of using CNBC anchors and his own television appearances to promote stocks that he would promptly sell, making a quick gain on the upswing.
Many things that are unwise enjoy the protection of the law. Whether or not they should enjoy that protection is a matter to be taken up with the legislature, not an Internet forum. :P
Unless there is a law setting a minimum speed on the road there is no law being broken.
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me: Many times I was told the same thing about buying a house or renting in the Boston area. Some developers and real estate speculators could have been considered speculators. And then an article or 2 would come out in the Boston Globe talking about how prices were going to continue going up and there was a housing shortage. It sounds pretty similar to me. I certainly was affected!
Doesn't our government manipulate us and the press with all the IF's and COULD's? If Vietnam falls to the Communists ... If Saddam is allowed to keep his WMD's...
Par for the course.
It's dropping more and more each day around where I live. Yesterday it was down to $3.81 from $3.84 earlier in the week. Today it's down to $3.79.
The irony is that I apparently live in an area with below average gas prices and I'm one of the few people on here who doesn't need gas to get to work each day.
I hate it but, it is what it is!
It will be interesting to see what the book comes out with to refute that.
Just out of curiousity, why did you get the Sequoia in the first place?