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Please provide additional details? Why did it feel underpowered? Compared to what vehicles?
I don't think 0-60 in 6.2 sec is possible for the car I tested.
Why is the 6.2 sec time not possible for the car you tested? What was different about it?
It feels no better than a Camry or a Azera to me.
Does that mean the reviews from Edmunds, Car & Driver, MotorTrend, Road & Track, Autoblog, Automobile, Wards, Winding Road, etc comparing it to a BMW 530, Lexus GS, Mercedes E series are inaccurate?
I am asking if you can give us a little more insight to your test drive experience because I have driven the above listed cars but have not yet driven the 3.8 or 4.6 Genesis. Thanks.
Maybe from the front seats there isn't a huge difference, but I think if you were to look toward the back seat room, then one would see an enormous difference.
Things I liked:
RWD
Nice low end torque from the 6
Quiet idle and smooth acceleration
Quiet interior at speed
The appearance of hand-stitched leather covering the dash. Nice touch.
Good sounding stereo
Good amount of standard features
Things I didn't like:
-Ride is absolutely too firm
-On the highway, the car bounds up and down too much, even though suspension is too firm
-CEL came on during test but it was most likely gas cap not being tightened by dealership monkeys, because the motor had no issues
-Far more body roll around corners than competition
-Poor rearward visibility
-Numb steering on center
-Leather was not aromatic or as soft and supple as a Cadillac or Lexus
-Mismatch in color between dash and other parts of car
-Ugly wheels
-No vault like solidity the German cars have when closing doors
-Interior bits on dash feel cheap
-Knobs feel cheap
All in all, I can't say it's breaking new ground by either price, performance or looks.
I test drove the Genesis three times (one time was just around the block). I came back a fourth time and the salesman refused to let me test drive the car again even though I offered to gas it up.
He said they don't want to get too much mileage on them. I saw 3 Genesis and no customers at all.
So I told him I'd think about it and went to a (non Hyundai car dealership). There, I test drove a European car for the 4th time, plus an additional test drive just for the heck of it, the salesman coming along. I decided then and there to buy the European car...said salesman also offered to let me take it for a few hours.
I have owned a lot of cars and am pre-disposed to like a Hyundai having owned an Amanti for 3 years (great for the money...). These cars depreciate a lot (I'm assuming the Genesis will) and I'm one of those people who needs to have a decent amount of hands on experience with a car (especially a new model) in order to make a decision in which I'm sure to loose 15,000 dollars in two or three years.
I use forums like this as a guide but I have to make my own decision and this requires lots of automotive touching and feeling (test drives) when buying a 40k car with no data points (no used cars on the road).
I thought the Genesis was very very good btw, except perhpas for the handling (slightly bouncy over bumps at freeway speed, the bumps would jerk the steering wheel slightly, maybe a tire inflation issue), but it is not really cheap compared to the slightly used and/or the discounted competition.
Mazda failed with the Millenia (a very good car) and I think this car will fail too, in the sense of not generating enough sales to justify its existence. Maybe it will do something for Hyundai's other products.
Gotta agree here, although the Gen is a nice step forward for Hyundai and a very respectable vehicle, it's tough to put it in the 40k class, and is it really 10-12k better than an Azera?? Once the V8 is out & proven it'll be interesting to see how the Gen compares w/ the >40k rides. The few nits I had become more glaring when you put them in Lexus/Infinity comparos, and factoring in the assumed accelerated depreciation it makes it harder to justify the initial pricetag. Once you see more of them and rebates/incentives take hold it could change the equation quite a bit, time will tell. Hyundai seems to respond well to customer input, so year two may iron out a few of the nitpicks to further enhance the Gen, looking forward to seeing how well the Gen coupe is received as well.
Automotive journalists only evaluate on msrp of course, but when there's money coming out of my wallet, only the actual buying price matters, and nearly new (used) cars fit into the equation too.
I did drive a Mercedes c300 over the same bumpy highway as the Genesis and there was no steering wheel jar at all. Despite being noisier, smaller, slower, and less luxurious, the C300 had a clearly better suspension, so I imagine an E series would smoke the Genesis in this respect.
Still, I probably would have bought the Genesis if I could've gotten a similar discount as I did on the Amanti.
One other problem I had is the jog dial is really needed even on the base models for ergonomic reasons (like Mercedes does in the C class), because it is much safer than reaching for the slightly reflective button cluster while driving.
Another gotcha for me was that only the driver's seat is ventilated with the P2 package (obviously engineered to the 40k price point). Just make the car 40, 500 and ventilate both seats !
All luxury cars depreciate a lot, actually. Given the predicted residual % on the Genesis (66% after 2; 50%+ after 3), however, I would say the pre-conceived notion about resale values of Hyundai models are changing for the better. It really started a few years with the introduction of the Azera, and consistently followed up on each new iteration of change over models, with quality and reliability the driving force behind the improvement, and equally important, the parallel rising of perceptions on the brand.
All in all, Hyundai has certainly earned its good ratings from ALG on the Genesis, and residual values on this Hyundai are certainly competitive when compared to the rest of the class. As its slogan has well placed, this is just the beginning
Anyway, i think I'm gonna buy the v6 tech package version soon if I can get it for 38 grand even.
By the way, I was talking about the fantastic ratings from ALG re: residual values on the Genesis.
I drove the e550 first. msrp about 65k. the ride is nice, seats are nice, handling is nice, interior is nice, ABS test---car did so-so.
then, went to the 4.6. msrp is 42k. the back seat has much more head and leg room. the seats have more cushion. doesnt have rear seat sunroof like the e550. power is similar. the handling is better in the mercedes. the parking back up system shows 2 green lines on the video screen to show the direction the car is pointed. nice touch.
for the price difference between e550 and genesis, its a no-brainer due to initial cost and repair costs. however, mercedes claims to have worked out the bugs, now that they've gotten rid of some bad U.S. parts suppliers, and gone back to the german suppliers.
question.: how does it compare in value to infiniti g, m, cady, and bmr?
for the options, the tech package includes cooled driver seat, turning xenon headlights for both 3.8 and 4.6.
also, in the 4.6 with tech, the saddle brown colored interior is actually colored black for their black exterior cars. I don't know why.
Only diference between 3.8 with tech, and 4.6 with tech, is 1. illuminated scuff plates,2. nicer leather,3. 3.8 aisin transmission, 4.6 has better zf transmission, and 4. chrome outer accents. and wood steering wheel interior.
they gave me a 40$ gift kit with some car washing handles and sprayers. they also gave me 500$ corporate coupon, good to dec. 31, 2008. they served water and red bull. that is why I am so pumped up and typing this message!
Suppossedly the suspension is same for both versions of Genesis, but the handling felt different somehow - I guess it's due to the different weight distribution ratio? The e550 definitely handled better and took LOTS of control on the skid pad (not sure if I liked that), but again the Hyundai rep next to me reminded me it costs about $30K more than the Genesis. The buttons by the MMC console had a cheap feel to it, and the door didn't close with a "thump" like other luxury cars. I also didn't like the MMC control all that much, I prefer touch screen for speed.
I couldn't really tell the difference in the 3.8/4.6 leather, and I'm not sure I prefer 4.6 transmission or the engine over the 3.8 - they were simply different, and 3.8 is quite powerful - so I'm having a hard time deciding which one is better.
For the $500 coupon, I had to ask for one, they didn't hand it out as part of the test drive gift. So, remember that if you go test drive on the Genesis Tour.
Since it was a 40 min drive each way to get there, I had a lot of time to think about what I've experienced. I find myself being more undecided, as to whether spend a few thousand dollars more for true luxury car like Infiniti M35 with definitive resale value or take a leap of faith on a new generation car with great _initial_ quality to price ratio. In the past, I normally pay for the car out-right and keep a car for 4-6 years. But with the Genesis, I may consider leasing due to uncertainty in quality and residual value. But I'm not experienced in lease negotiation.
What do you guys suggest?
As far as interior space...you must not have sat in a Camry or Azera before to be able to compare. I own an Azera and I assure you, the Genesis has more room than both it AND the Camry. As I stated before, in my Azera with the seat set for me to drive (I'm 6'2") I have to sit with my legs apart if I sit behind the driver's seat. In the Genesis...I can set the driver's seat up for me to drive and easily sit behind the driver's seat without the back of the seat touching my knees.
I'm curious...the car was underpowered, less space than expected and felt no better than a Camry or Azera...and you were impressed overall??? :confuse:
Don't really know if the lack of cooled seats would be an issue since it has the perforated leather...very comfortable seats to say the least. The button for rear shade...it's there.
You'll be lucky to get low 30k on trade for a high end 65k E class 3 years down the road. The average 3 year depreciation and residuals for luxury cars is anywhere from 50-55% of MSRP for most vehicles.
Spend 75k on a Lexus LS 460 and try to trade in it 3 years down the road. You're looking @ 38-40k trade after 3 years. You just spent 35k to drive a car for 3 years.
A 44k top of the line V8 Genesis would only have to be worth $9,000 after 3 years to cost you as much to drive as other higher end V8 cars.
My wife and I drove the Genesis, GS350 and BMW 530i on Saturday. If they were all the same price and the same brand, I'd pick the Genesis hands down, as would my wife (which is surprising because she didn't feel that way going in). It's not the same brand and service, so I expect some sort of a discount for that, which Hyundai is giving.
Other key factors are:
- Exterior styling -- personal pref, but the geneisis is more like an executive sedan in size and presence than the GS or the 535i. This is what I want right not.
- Interior -- Everyone may not agree, but all in all, we thought the Genesis had a nicer interior than the GS. I just couldn't get past the dash in the GS which seems just like an accord or a Camry (no wood trim, leather, etc.) The only wood trim is near the shifter and on the doors. The 530i is just a different machine than the other two -- sportier, more compact -- and I think I've finally admitted to myself that I don't want this right now. As an aside, I didn't like the leather in the M35 when i drove one a few weeks back.
- Brand -- not that important to me, but it is to many. I thought the YouTube of Hyundai's head of prouct dev was telling (posted on genesisowners.com). Their reserach has shown they'll do well with customers who have already had a Lexus or BMW, not those upgrading from an Accord. Those who are upgrading really want the badge. Those who have already owned a luxury brand are more likely to say ti was nice, but perhaps not worth the premium once the excitement wears off.
- Resale -- Not an issue for those of you who lease. For those of you who buy, this is a red herring, I think. If it's worth 45% vs. 50% of original sale value after 5 years, that difference is just $2k. Saving $2k is not a rational reason to spend $10k more for the Lexus.....
- Performance -- the Lexus and the genesis didn't seem very different at all to me based on normal driving. The BMW feels a bit sportier, but that's largely due to the fact that I test drove a manual transmission.
Just some points for you to consider.
Secondly, even the comments on the leather I have seen were positive. Cadillac does not have great leather, it is soft, but hardly premium quality. I've had three Lexuses (Lexi) and while the leather was very nice I would put it a few notches below the Audi's I have had. Perhaps if your only two reference points are Cadillac and Lexus I can see why you feel the ride would be too firm.
I'm sorry I just find your complaints unbelievable and unreasonable. If you are comparing it to an equivalently sized German car of course it will be left wanting, those cars cost $20-50K more. Looks are wholly subjective and your impression is as valid as the next guy's. I'm not saying the Genesis is on par with the best Europe has to offer, but honestly what cars in its price range offer a better experience/package?
-Ride is absolutely too firm
-On the highway, the car bounds up and down too much, even though suspension is too firm
-CEL came on during test but it was most likely gas cap not being tightened by dealership monkeys, because the motor had no issues
-Far more body roll around corners than competition
-Poor rearward visibility
-Numb steering on center
-Leather was not aromatic or as soft and supple as a Cadillac or Lexus
-Mismatch in color between dash and other parts of car
-Ugly wheels
-No vault like solidity the German cars have when closing doors
-Interior bits on dash feel cheap
-Knobs feel cheap
Ride was too firm??? Did you drive the model with 17" or 18" wheels?
Car bounds up and down??? Maybe a bad stretch of road since you said it happened on the highway...if suspension was bad, it would show up on surface streets as well, not just the highway.
Body roll??? You complain of a too firm suspension and then turn and complain about body roll??? Funny, you seem to be the ONLY person that has said that about the Genesis.
It's already been stated, the Genesis is not a BMW, but for a luxury car...there will be SOME body roll as it's not a true sports car.
Poor rearward visibility??? WTF
Numb steering on center? Again...WTF
Non aromatic leather that's not soft and supple??? Okay...I'm not sure what you're definition of soft and supple is, but the Genesis I sat in had leather that seemed to caress you...it made me wanna sit in that seat.
Depending on what color interior you get...yeah, that can be an issue, but if you don't like it...go for the black interior.
Ugly wheels...subjective, I like the 17" wheels as opposed to the 18" ones.
No vault like solidity like that of German cars...it's not a German car!!!
What part of the dash felt cheap? There was no plastic feel at all, unless you get the faux wood in the base model. If you get any trim above that...the dash gets the leather treatment and any place there is no leather, it's a soft-touch dash.
Not sure what you were expecting (considering it's a Hyundai), you seem to be the ONLY person on God's green earth that feels that the Genesis isn't breaking new ground in what it offers in terms of bang-for-buck. Then again, there always has to be one.
Just my thoughts......
Just shocked that this guy has said things about a car that no other person or publication has said after test driving the car. It just makes you wonder if some folks just get on here and post to stir things up or truly just don't have a clue. I do understand that some things are subjective such as ride comfort, looks and how one can feel about a car, but the stuff he's talking about....come on now. It just sounds like someone is hard pressed to knock the car when everyone else is finding minimal things to complain about concerning the Genesis.
Honestly, the biggest complaint that anyone might be able to have is dealer support when it comes to this car. As another person posted, that is the one element that could be the nemesis of the Genesis.
I think it's time to state on this board who sells these things for a living so we can put their comments in perspective..........
Just my thoughts......
I agree. I think Inside Line should have a disclosure requirement.
The joke is on you, Hebrewhammer...I am not a salesman, nor do I work for the Inside Line. As a matter of fact, the only connection I have with the auto industry is that I install car audio systems as a side gig.
Oh...and by the way, there have been a couple of Hyundai sales reps that post and have stated that they are sales reps.
If you don't agree, say you disagree and your impression of the car was better.
I will wait until the professional reviewers and purchasers have an opportunity to do an in-depth drive on American roads of the Genesis and rack up some mileage on the cars.
I really like the concept of the Genesis, but it appears not the "super" car initially reported.
Have you read any of the reviews about the Genesis:
Road and Track:
The multilink suspension (coil springs and anti-roll bars front and rear)
incorporates lots of aluminum for reduced unsprung mass, and although U.S.
models are roughly 10-percent stiffer than their Korean counterparts, the ride is
not too firm. Sachs shock absorbers are valved for a plush ride on smooth roads,
then increase their damping for better wheel control on rough roads and in
cornering. The system works well, but when pushed hard, the Genesis — even
with good 54/46 weight balance — tends to understeer, evidenced by an outside
front tire (size 235/50R-18) that howled on many of the test track's tight corners.
On the high-speed oval, the Genesis remained quite stable at triple digits, though
not quite as composed as the BMW 530i on hand for comparison purposes.
That Hyundai even had a 5 Series on hand for comparison speaks volumes.
Clearly, Hyundai is proud of the Genesis, and this shows inside, where there are
gobs of space and a gently curving dash that looks especially rich, dare I say
European, covered with attractively stitched leather. Most people would never
guess this is a Hyundai. The ambience is heightened by Hyundai's Driver
Information System, controlled through a multifunction knob that commands the
HDD navigation, Voice Recognition, Bluetooth and XM/HD radio with a 30-gig
hard drive.
Car and Driver:
The suspension, as well, is as sophisti cated as they come. The four main links
on the two front corners are each attached to the hub with a ball joint. This
arrangement locates the steering axis much closer to the center of the tire’s
contact patch than it would with a conventional unequal-length control-arm
suspension, which should im prove steering feel and reduce bump steer. It’s an
expensive setup, made more so by the use of lightweight aluminum for the links,
knuckles, and brackets, and fur ther evidence that Hyundai is making a serious
effort here. That front suspension setup also hints at a yet-unannounced four-
wheel-drive version because that arrange ment reduces torque steer. The rear
suspension knuckles are aluminum as well, connected to the chassis with five
links. The power steering is hydraulically assist ed, but an electric pump supplies
the fluid pressure, which Hyundai says increases fuel economy by 2.7 percent.
The only reports of the Genesis being a "super" car were in relation to its price point. No one ever said that this was the equivalent of a $80K luxury sedan, only that it offered features that could only be compared to a car of that stature and not to cars within its own price range. Apparently, both you and the hammer have been afflicted with the same condition, believing nonexistent claims about the Genesis, or building up too much hype in your own mind about this car.
Had he said the ride was too firm for his liking, okay...I can leave it at that. But to suggest that the suspension is so bad that the car "bounds" up and down on the highway...come on!!!
I can't knock him on the comment about body roll, but in reality...what is he expecting, it's not a BMW which is the only car that has less body roll and guess what...it's a SPORTS sedan.
Not sure what to think on the lack of leather aroma, didn't really know that was a requirement of leather. Concerning the softness and suppleness of the leather...that's subjective, but it sounds to me like he wants down filled seats.
Difference in color between dash and other parts of the interior...a lot of cars are doing that now, but if you don't want it...go for the black interior and problem solved. To be honest, the only thing that's a different color is the carpet...no matter what color interior you get...it comes with black carpet (at least from what I've seen thus far).
He expects vault like solidity in the doors like the German cars have...ummmmmm, er uh...no other car has that same solidity, however...the solidity of the Genesis doors is far from lacking.
He may have a slight point on the knobs feeling cheap, but other than that...what other dash bits feel cheap? He contradicted by saying the leather wrapped dash was nice, which is a good portion of the dash.
Okay, we can go on for days and days, but the reality is...this guy is coming from left field. If he just doesn't like the car, just say that, but don't try and bring up points about the car that contradict any and everything that EVERYBODY else is saying about the car. I mean...in the end, he'll look like a crazy loon when 99.9% of all the other postings pretty much rave about every attribute concerning the Genesis that the poster brought up.
Hyundai missed the mark of BMW and Benz, but...hey, aim high and you don't fall as low if you miss. Just think if they benchmarked the Chrysler 300, missing would have meant more like Chevy Cobalt or Ford Edge. To be mentioned with the likes of Lexus and Infiniti is still huge considering it is a Hyundai. Know what I mean?
E550: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38uln97s0ag
Genesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igtgtt-bat8
Genesis for the win
Just so everyone knows. Again. Actually for the third time at least.
By the way, the E550 really sounds awesome in that video. The Genesis V8 is just so quiet. That's no a bad thing in general, but you gotta love the sound from the MB V8.
Just a thought.
I've seen this behavior many times before. I joined these forums in the fall of '98 - almost 10 years ago - & I noticed long ago that the most heated discussions are about cars that haven't yet hit the showrooms in large numbers. It's too early for the car mags to publish comparisons using production vehicles, so folks get into arguments that can't be settled - at least not until the manufacturer has shipped enough vehicles so that all interested parties can take test drives.
My hat's off to jeffeid. He's enthusiastic about his product, as any good salesman should be, but he doesn't pile on posters who don't share his enthusiasm. He's definitely an asset to this discussion. It wouldn't hurt for the rest of us to follow his example.
I'm not emotionally invested in the car, but I have driven it (the 3.8 version at least). Not sure if you've paid attention, but there are plenty of folks posting their experiences with a test drive of the Genesis and some of those postes have experience with the likes that Hyundai benchmarked when creating it.
If you take a look around, there have been a few online pubs. that have test driven and posted results of the Genesis already. Which is why I say that everybody except for one single person...has praised the Genesis for everything from it's fit & finish, offerings, driving dynamics and basically...being the car it's supposed to be. Sure, the benchmark was BMW/Benz...did they hit that mark, no...not exactly. However, falling short of that means they laned in Lexus/Infiniti territory which is hardly anything to scoff at considering we are talking about an offering from Hyundai.
Taking that into mind, do you think that they would get EVERYTHING on the car exactly right on their first go? If you can honestly believe they would...you're crazy. I bet you, dollars to donuts that Hyundai follows up with the 2010 model and it'll have the little nit-picky things folks do find fault with.
Your hat's off to Jeffreid and rightfully so as he has definitely provided a plethora of information to a lot of us concerning this car before it really hit. However, if you go back and read his post of his opinion about the comparison between the Genesis and the Benz E-Class...well, he is one that feels that Hyundai DID hit the mark to a degree.
There's a saying...you can't please all the people all the time and I understand that, and this just happens to be a case where you've got one person (so far) that just seems to want to find fault with the car where nobody else can. Go head, go back and look at all the postings about folks that have taken one out for a test drive and you tell me if their feedback comes close to saying what this one guy is saying.
Have you driven it? Why don't you give us your first hand report and let us see the contrast?
I have driven a Lexus of some sort for the past 8 years so my dealer expectations are somewhat high. These folks could not have been nicer and I was impressed by the dealership and the people and their knowledge of the car. They had 5 Genesis cars on hand and they told me up front that none have been sold so far and that all pricing is list MSRP. No discounts and no add ons.
The car I test drove was silver with black interior. MSRP was $36,000. with a premium pkg. of some sort. 6 cylinder and 18 inch wheels. Took about a 5 mile loop of side roads and freeway. I found the Genesis to be very, very impressive as it rode and drove extremely well. Brakes were excellent. No complaints at all.
The car had 124 miles on it and the average mpg was 15. I have to assume that the first 120 or so miles the car was driven kind of hard because I did not baby it and accelerated up a little over 80 when merging onto the freeway, yet the mpg average went from 14 to over 15 during my short drive.
I found the driving position to be extremely comfortable and the car just seemed to fit like a glove. I sat in the rear also and it had plenty of room. I also tried the front passenger seat because I did not like the fact that the passenger seat had only 4 way power and many times it is hard to get comfortable in a seat like this. No problem with the Genesis as the seat had enough tilt to it be be very comfortable.
As much as I liked the car I did not feel that the interior was as nice as say, a Lexus LS 430. The leather was not quite as nice and neither was the center console. Too much hard plastic there. A little wood grain or leather there would have worked wonders. I do not think it is unreasonable to compare this car to the LS because you can buy a very nice 2005 Lexus LS 430 CPO for about the same price.
I would also like to report that the status of a brand is not important to me but this is not true. It is important (just call me shallow). This is going to be the hurdle for the Genesis I think.
All that being said, I was simply astounded at the overall quality of this car and at the way it drove. To my ear it was very quiet and the doors did close with that expensive sounding "thunk" It will get my serious attention in about 6 months.
More on the dealer. From what I have read here I had very low expectations. All my fears turned out to be unfounded. They were very courteous and low key and they sent me on my way with a very nice brochure. They were also quite knowledgeable about the car.
More on comparing to Lexus. I have not owned an ES or a GS but last year when our LX was being repainted (courtesy of Lexus) we had both of these cars as a loaner for about 3 weeks. The GS for the first 2 weeks and the ES for the last week. We liked the GS awd. List price around $50K. I would take the Genesis over the GS hands down. Much bigger and drove better. The ES we did not care for at all. Bloated feeling and very isolated steering. Priced about the same as the Genesis. The Genesis blew them both away. No contest.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
The only thing I've done is question the specific points for greater feedback from the poster and questioned how he could come to form those opinions when they seem so far out of left field. I can deal with subjective stuff like whether or not you like the grille, the wheels, the overall look of the car. As well as other subjective stuff like seat & ride comfort...all of which are quite...SUBJECTIVE.
I've had heated debates with other posters before and this isn't even along those lines. I took his points and challenged them to find out how he possibly arrived at his conclusions...is that so wrong? I didn't call him out of his name or say he was stupid or anything because he feels the way he feels.
Now how about we just move on?
We 4 arrived and to our surprise on a beautiful Sunday afternoon we were the only lookers. My wife took the wheel and our two boys were in the back and the salesman was up front (nice guy) I stayed behind and let nature take its demo course as I wanted her to decide with no influence from me. They were gone for about 30 minutes. So I spent some time looking at the 4 Genesis's on the lot and talked a little with the other sales guy (also nice guy). I was surprised to learn that Hyundai has huge concerns of the success of Genesis here in South Orange County Calif as they believe people here buy things based on image and name.Yea, I can see where they would be concerned as most people are always trying to keep up with the Jones's.
So I am sitting on the bench outside enjoying the weather and about 30 minutes later in comes the family. I was still the only customer there. The wife was quiet and I listened as she shared her impression of the car. She said the Genesis was not as nice of a ride as the GS350 and did not turn as sharp either. The wood trim was too dark inside and road noise could be heard inside. I think the biggest issue was the poor selection of interior colors. She wanted grey and Genesis offers nothing even close. So she took the ride and will most likely go with the GS 350 which appears to be about $46k vs for now $42K. So as we leave to go to Costco and the lot is again empty of potential customers. I did ask the sales guy to call me when the V8 comes in with everything on it so I can have my lady take a final look and drive. 30-45 days for arrival may be just too long for her. I have asked her to go back to Lexus and take another drive. Well see. Sure hope they add a grey like interior to the V8, if not, our owning a Genesis are remote, especially since it will be her car.
Pat, thanks for your sensible comments. To the others that have defended my right to post both things I liked and didn't like based on my test drive, thank you.
To those who were upset by my review, I don't know what to say to you. Those comments were my honest impressions, whether you share them or not.
I'll even go further, and supplement my list of things I liked, because I left them off (but I won't mention anything negative):
Things I liked:
Things I already mentioned that I like, but I will repeat:
RWD
Nice low end torque from the 6
Quiet idle and smooth acceleration
Quiet interior at speed
The appearance of hand-stitched leather covering the dash. Nice touch.
Good sounding stereo
Good amount of standard features
Newly mentioned things I like, but left off my last list until I thought about it more
Exterior styling - nicer than any competing Mercedes or Lexus (especially Lexus)
Intuitive controls far easier to use than, say, BMW models
Very nicely designed and styled gauge cluster
Exhaust note
Very good factory paint process
Controls on Steering Wheel are like the Acura RL; very good
Although I drove the V6, I love that Hyundai chose a ZF 6 speed auto for the V8
Couldn't agree more, & that's why I steer clear of any brand-new design for at least a year. Why pay top dollar to be a beta tester? I'll be only too glad to let 20 or 30 thousand people get in line ahead of me. Patient buyers will get a more refined product for less money. Sorry, but I don't see the wisdom of paying a premium just to be the first on your block.
What we ALL need to do is drop the personal comments and stick to the vehicle itself.
Thanks to everyone for your future cooperation.
And it's still funny UN-PROFESSIONAL one guy in this forum sensed the critical problems of Genesis' driving perfomance-body roll and too stiff suspension- which are not found by PROFESSIONAL auto journalists in this country. what a good eye! :surprise:
PS: i'm in IT business, have nothing to do with auto industry. :P
And it's still funny UN-PROFESSIONAL one guy in this forum sensed the critical problems of Genesis' driving perfomance-body roll and too stiff suspension- which are not found by PROFESSIONAL auto journalists in this country. what a good eye!
PS: i'm in IT business, have nothing to do with auto industry.
Guess what? All those 'professional' reviews are written in magazines whose primary source of revenue is CAR ADVERTISERS.
I'll await Consumer Reports review of the Genesis, not that it will change my mind about the ride quality, based on my butt-o-meter.
The butt-o-meter doesn't lie, as far as I'm concerned.
One last thing - I am far from the only one saying the Genesis has a too-stiff ride. Go back and review the comments and see for yourself.
For instance, if you say it's stiffer than a Lexus GS, then few would question it. But if you say it's stiffer than a BMW 5, then I think others have the point of questioning your review. If you say the fit and finish is not on par with the Lexus LS, few would have problems. But if you say the fit and finish is poor compared to a Maxima, then many would strongly disagree. (Note: I've been in all those cars)
As for professional review, some are quite useless. I remember reading a review of the Azera. The reviewer slammed the Azera of its poor agility and handling... compared to his Corvette!
My point is that if a review doesn't do any comparatives, then it's just stating opinions. There're nothing wrong with that, btw. Afterall, there's no reference point to challenge the opinions. Readers should take that into account and decide its credibility and whether to ignore it.
And then we have others thought the ride was too soft...
Concurring with dueho here, for me, I thought the ride was balanced - not as firm as some of the Germans, and not as soft as some of the Japanese - what is that, you ask? Just perfect for me