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The first thing was the regional G.M. asking dealers to remove the price adjustments from the Genesis. Not that he has any authority to demand it, but it was interesting that it was mentioned in the forum that it was.
Second, Honda and Toyota were both down in the month of July. Toyota by 11% and Honda at 2%. Hyundai was down 6%. I think this is interesting in that Honda and Hyundai both took some share from Toyota. I think that is a good sign for the brand overall. That in turn will make resale values better in the years to come.
One last thought. I posted MSRP and invoice data on the Genesis some weeks ago. Now, even with the Genesis being produced at a low level, if there is a buildup of the cars on several lots, then one should be able to negotiate a pretty good price. Allmet's pricing ideas are pretty realistic, and I think that one could probably make those deals in the near future if the Genesis doesn't bust out of the gates. Print off the MSRP, invoice, and TMV values on the Genesis that you want and ask the salesmanager to sell you your car at $500 over invoice. Sure beats MSRP, and maybe you'll get a sweet deal with a minimum amount of effort. The worst thing they can say is no.
By the way, advertising starts in September.
Maybe not impressive to some (or maybe most), but I'll have to say...I'm impressed. Considering both Honda and Toyota are supposed to be tops in the FE arena and that doesn't seem to be helping them much if those figures are indeed correct.
Just tried your recommendation. The car still does not recognize the iPhone. It won't allow you to select the iPod function.
Everything I have tried gives the same result: The phone starts beeping and the message on the car's monitor says it is scanning the device. After 30 seconds or so it says that it does not recognize the device.
I do agree with you however, in terms of conquest sales and overall outlook on the brand.
So Hyundai sold 619 units of Genesis in July, not bad, passed RL already
It's a supply and demand issue but if you are stunned people are paying this much for a Hyundai, get used to it. This is certainly not the first (ie Azera, Veracruz), it is just the beginning (Genesis tie-in)
You're not the only owner who's run into this problem.
Hope this helps.
Most of them regretted it, and I doubt this will turn out much differently. Given that it's a near 40k Hyundai, I expect it to be particularly painful.
But bold laboratory subjects of the world unite.
Thanks, I finally read the manual (last resort) and I believe you are correct. I saw a sign for the connector on the counter at the parts department. At the time I didn't realize what it was. It appears that Apple does not sell this thing, only Hyundai.
Thanks
The ride is definitely much more firm than I expected. If I want a ultra firm ride, I'll buy something not claiming to be a 'luxury sedan.'
Here's a review that comments on the very firm ride and the too-light steering, two comments that members have been bashed for mentioning, with the mods apparently willing to slam down any discussion of negative reviews or traits of the Genesis.
Maybe this guy who reviewed the car is lying.
http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?aff=national&revid=53556&makeid=19&model- id=9251&year=2009&revlogtype=20§ion=reviews
Suspension
Along with this sporty performance comes a ride that's definitely more taut than most Hyundais. The four-wheel independent suspension, which features a five-link setup in front and back, is sensitive to pavement imperfections, transmitting the pockmarks of the road up to the cabin. This was on mostly smooth California roads, too, which were in much better shape than the ones I normally drive in Chicago.
Steering
Where the Genesis differs from a number of other performance sedans is that its steering effort is fairly light; it doesn't take much exertion to turn the wheel.
Yeah, those paying 3K+ above MSRP on a Honda Fit and other small cars must have a sour taste in the mouth, right :sick:
Don't patronize those paying above MSRP, espeically in the luxury segment.
the superior dynamics afforded by RWD were eminently apparent on winding mountain roads. The Genesis navigates tight corners like a much smaller car — body roll is well checked and the balanced chassis encourages you to push it harder. The Azera, in comparison, offers softer responses when traveling on undulating roads; it's more of a cruiser, whereas the Genesis is a carver.
To me, the Genesis is the first car in the segment I've found where it has a balanced ride (perfect solution); handling was superb and very engaging feedback.
I'd say the same thing about the Prius as far as risk is concerned - if gas prices fall dramatically, people that paid MSRP+ for a Prius will suddenly see Priuses selling for less than MSRP, and feel burned. It's happened before.
Different cars and reasons, same outcome.
But this discussion is about the Genesis. The mods will find any excuse to shut down those that dare speak any way but glowingly of the Genesis, so I better not fall into the trap of getting distracted by other cars.
I pulled out the sections that spoke to the characteristics of the Genesis I do not care for, and would prevent me from buying it; the overly firm suspension and overly boosted steering.
By the way, car makers can do firm suspensions without it being 'harsh.'
BMW is a shining example of this, as is Audi. Their suspensions are firm but supple.
http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/lalalala25/1368800?c=4
Very promising based on the shots within. Those marketing dollars are put to work alright
What does that tell you?
Come on now mjameson fess up. What cars do you sell? I am always a little bit suspicious when a brand new member's first post is knocking a new model. Plus the fact that brand new members usually don't know their way around so well that they can find and post links to mag articles. It's as if your sole reason for being here is to bash the Genesis. All I can say to others is to drive it yourself and don't put too much stock into what you read here.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Ask for Joe Hamblock, the General Manager.
It is a little sad that this forum went from being pretty informative to somewhat immature in tone. While I think that there have been some obnoxious posts here lately, I also think there seems to be irrational intolerance for those voicing criticisms of the Genesis, too.
The question everyone will hopefully ask themselves is whether they want these forums to be open to all opinions and viewpoints, as long as they are respectfully worded, or just a place where people are going to be exposed to only to positive posts about the Genesis.
I belong to the Lexus forums, and there is pretty much a policy of complete tolerance there for criticism of Lexus vehicles, and it makes for much more productive discussion, especially for those in the market for a particular car, and needing to hear the cons, as well as the pros.
Anyways, just my opinion.
Let's ignore those who are trying to disrupt and just stick to the subject. That way we don't encourage those who are only here to rile people up and we can continue to talk reasonably about this fascinating new car.
Because if nothing else, it certainly is that!
If you take away the troll/bashing posts from the obvious feeders here, you'd find facts, opinions, test drive impressions, and responses to those topics, whatever they may be.
Your right.
Just asked any of the "anxious" people who purchased the last Ford Thunderbird produced. Some paid 20K over sticker.
I'd personally take the buttery soft leather over a soft-touch synthetic material or wood-grain all day long. Wood grain is just so...I don't know....been there.
Astheticlly, the single-stitched leather is pleasing, unique and attractive.
This car is impressive for $33k.
http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature/versus/Motive.shtml
"The two cars are almost dynamic opposites — in the Benz, every road irregularity, every crumbled bit of rock dropped from a cliff is transmitted to the driver. The Hyundai erases those small details completely..."
"The most surprising thing about the Hyundai's suspension is that it's actually been stiffened significantly beyond the Korean market car's. But it is still much softer than the Benz, and biases the car toward cruising. It exhibits a level of insulation that'll appeal more to traditional luxury buyers than those expecting extreme road-carving performance."
Btw, I prefer not to feel "every crumbled bit of rock" on the road...
For those getting confused about all the conflicting reviews, the best thing to do is go drive the Genesis and its competitors (BMW 5, Mercedes E, Lexus GS, Infinity M45). If you like the feel of the BMW 5, then the Genesis is too soft for you. If you like the Lexus GS, then the Genesis is too firm. There's no right or wrong. To each his own!
You consider Yahoo Korea "marketing dollars"? A bit of a stretch.
The car looks fine from the outside. The interior is nice, but the simplicity of the design seems to be as much about economical manufacturing as an all out attempt at luxury. Like the Azera, the Genesis interior looks a little empty. There's not a lot of detail, though what's there is nicely done. In contrast, the Infiniti has a really interesting interior design, with a combination of curved wood and aluminum surfaces that look and feel more luxurious. The design makes a statement, while the Hyundai provides a generic sense of refinement. The quality of the leather in the Genesis was a notch below the Infiniti, as were the materials on the dash.
Comparing it to the Infiniti was interesting. The Genesis is quieter, with a softer but not too floaty ride. The steering in both cars is light, but the Infiniti is definitely more sporty, and has that psychic handling that people talk about.
I really liked the tech interface and control knob on the Genesis. The navigation display, with the letters and numbers in a semi-circle was a perfact match when using the knob. It's a little more intuitive than the Infiniti, though the M45 has a touch-screen and voice command for some functions that the Genesis doesn't have.
The most important thing about the Genesis is that it supplies most of the amenities that the Infiniti has for $20,000 less. There are probably dozens of areas where Hyundai used slightly less expensive materials, and designed the car for an ease of manufacturing that saved them money against other luxury cars.
But in most respects they pulled it off. It looks like a luxury car and drives like one. It actually drives like a good luxury car. But as others have pointed out, MB, BMW, and Infiniti have proven reputations in various technology, design and luxury areas that the Genesis approaches but doesn't quite meet.
That being said, the car is far nicer than a Lexus ES in every way, though it's no LS460.
If I was in the market for any sedan costing around $40,000 the Genesis would stand alone at the top of the list. That it even comes within shouting distance of much more expensive cars is remarkable.
Huh? How are you coming to that conclusion? It was the content of the gallery which led me to my observation. Yahoo Korea was probably just some hosting site by the poster of those photos - it could have been joe average's webpage for all I care.
Ironically, I believe this is for the US campaign
The car is a 3.8 with tech package. First of all the car is replacing a 2005 Chrysler 300 Touring model. I also own a 1996 BMW 850ci (that's the 12 cylinder one). When you compare either the Chrysler or BMW interior to the Genesis there is no comparison. Only the Genesis truly looks like a luxury car. I read a review of the Genesis on some other site yesterday where someone complained that her base model Genesis bounced all over the highway and was very noisy especially when being passed by another car or when passing. My car is not noisy and doesn't bounce on the highway. It is perfectly smooth and and comfortable. Others have said that the car doesn't seem to have much power. I think it may be because the transmission is extremely smooth that one doesn't get the "lurching" forward feel when accelerating. If you pay attention to the speedometer when accelerating you see that it moves forward at a very nice clip ( make that fast). You are entering the highway and up to speed in an instant. The scathing review of the base model said that the seats in her car had melted from the heat. My seats have not melted yet. I live in south Florida where it is in the high 90s with bright sun. One feature that it does not have that the Chrysler does have is movable foot pedals. I believe I can live without the movable pedals since it has about a hundred features that neither the Chrysler or the BMW have.
I can't figure out where they put 17 speakers but my ears tell me they are there somewhere. There is no way you can crank up the sound system all the way. It will knock your teeth out without distortion.
I still have not managed to get my iPhone to play in iPod mode yet. Hopefully it will work once I get the proper cord (I have ordered it).
The scathing reviewer also complained that the headlights were too bright and made her eyes red. I have not driven mine at night yet but I can't imagine it is going to hurt my eyes.
My guess is the scathing review was written by a sales person for some other car.
When the car was first was being designed it was supposed to be a car with everything for $30,000.00. If one hasn't been living in a cave for the last several years they would know that the dollar has crashed against nearly every currency and thus the car had to cost more than $30,000.00 with everything.
Nice review by the way.
Genesis is much more imposing when seen in person. It truly has a luxury look to it on the exterior etc.
Inside is luxurious and yet simple and clean. The leather on the dash is a great touch. The center dash console is eloquent. Note: Loved the floating instrument panel that floats (drove it at night).
295HP has plenty of get up and go for your money.
Loved the beige leather with the dark carpet. Best comfortable seats yet from Hyundai.
I've had 4 Hyundai's since 96 and currently in the Azera and will be upgrading to the Genesis later this year. Will likely buy at least the V6 Tech or V8 Tech.
Each new model that they come out is far superior to their last effort.
http://hyundai.lexicon.com/system.aspx
Interesting that the 6 felt better going over the simulated broken pavement/expansion joints, maybe cause its lighter.
The 6 seemed to 'get moving' quicker once you floored it, but the 8 was a rocket once it got into its torque curve. When I sat in back and my wife floored it, I could feel myself being pushed into the seat.
At 6'3" and 310lbs, I was easily able to get a comfy drivers position. Headroom was tight in back for me though.
The controls for adjusting the side mirrors seemed a little cheesy, but everything else in dash was good. I don't remember seeing power outlets in back, could be an issue for those with kids.
The exterior looks much nicer in person than in pics, I like the Titanium finish. The interior is somewhat 'understated' as others have pointed out, not necessarily a bad thing, unless you need lots of buttons. The sound system rocks. It might not work with my Zune, and the sales staff didn't know what a Zune was, so no answer there.
The leather seemed the same in both cars to me, but my wife commented that the 8 felt 'better' to her, and the staff acknowledged that the leather did differ between the 2 cars.
All in all, I was favorably impressed with both models.
We began to talk seriously about the 3.8 fully loaded (premium w/ tech). My dealer experience was NOT what I would have expected. I was prepared to make the purchase that night, and, all they wanted to know was what payment I had in mind. I told them I already had financing and not to worry. They also were pushing the lease, and, I still do not know why. There were a number of tactics, delays, and mis-representations that took place. Finally, I was told by the sales manager that they didn't need or want to sell the only fully-loaded car on the lot. My wife and I got up to leave after over two hours (including test drive with the saleman) and I was offered 2.5% over invoice as I walked out the door. It was the first offer that wasn't sticker price...
This was at an import dealer that I had 12 years of recent service history with my last two cars.
I expect that BMW, Infinity, Benz or even Acura & Honda will treat me a little better. If this company wants to compete with the luxury market then the dealers will need to step it up - IMHO.
We contacted a lot in Vegas (since we go there often) and I must say they seem very comitted to getting deals done, and if we weren't so pleased w/ our current Infinity G and we needed more back seat room we'd be looking them up for a closer look at the Genesis. I'm still having a hard time thinking of Hyundai as a premium brand although the Veracruz, Azera and especially the Genesis are definately cars moving closer to the mark. Gotta agree w/ ricwhite, 25% seems like a good guess regarding the good % of Hyundai dealers.
I did test drive and was going to get some info about lease deal for premium plus package ( $439/Mo ??? ) . But the number was more than what I expected.
$538.59/Mo. and $2461.31 put so in total was $3000 initial payment.
The NET cap cost was $34637.19
Residual was $23637.19
Depreciation $10877.19
--> $453.22/Mo. + 46.72 ( Monthly lease charge?)
--> $499.94 ( Base payment) + 38.75 (Monthly Tax)
--> $538.69 (Total Monthly Payment)
Hmm. Does this number make sense considering HMA new lease program for
Genesis ?
Thank a lot
By the way the ES is not a real Lexus. I will take a Genesis over a ES anyday...