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No the colors don't clash.
I was a little worried about it myself, but when I saw it in person, it looked great, better than any pictures.
The red and brown seem to go together, the black just sinks into the background. By contrast, I personally thought the all black interior looks nice, but was a little boring in comparison.
BTW a good source for real world car pics for any model is Cars.com
They are selling a red Genesis on there right now that has the exact same interior as mine. The only difference is my car has the smaller wheels. Just search all used cars, Hyundai, Genesis, lol, there are only like 15 of them nationwide, so not to hard to find.
If I am not mistaken the 3.8 has three possible Option Packages: Premium , Premium Plus, and Technology. Which package(s) did you order with your Genesis, and how much did these bump the price up? My budget is $35,000 but I do not want to skimp on options if they are truly worth it. Which options do you recommend and why? :confuse:
Is anyone else between the Maximaand the Genesis. I like the looks of the max better and it may come down to who has the better technology for me.
Base model is $33K
Premium is $35K
Premium Plus is $36K (18" wheel upgrade from premium package)
Technology is $40K
In my opinion, the best bang for buck is the 3.8 w/premium plus. If you want the tech package, you're better off ponying up the extra $2K and getting the 4.6 w/tech package...you get way more AND you don't take a hit in the FE department. However, this is just my opinion.
P.S. I think it's against Town Hall rules to mention the names of salespeople.
Seems like you are not the only one with this debate. Check out this page:
http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=191
Thanks
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Please forgive me, to answer your question...the Sapphire Blue definitely stands apart from the Black Noir.
Considering I can get a similalry equipped Lexus ES 350 stickered at $40k for around $35, and which will still be worth 80% of what I paid for it in two years (vs. current Hyundai resale values of 50% or less) this approach potentially makes a Genesis a poor financial proposition. I guess they will get a few "emotional" buyers, but they won't get me!
One area Hyundai skimped on a little is with the whole bluetooth thing.
When you connect with your phone, using bluetooth (which is what 95% of people will be doing with it), it connects to a module above the rear view mirror. That unit has its own speakers. When you talk to someone, the sound comes out of those smallish speakers above the mirror, not the sound system. My Toyota Sienna mini-van has bluetooth, my 300C had bluetooth, all those systems go through the stereo system.
One plus, is it has voice recognition in it, so all you have to do is push a button on the module, and say "Call Home" (or whatever you want), and it will call home, no GPS or fancy tech package required.
But the bluetooth speakers were not meant for music...
Maybe you can find somekind of bluetooth adapter to go in the arm rest console, plug it into the jacks, and get the same result.
In Minneapolis, they are selling them practically below invoice, so tell the OC dealer to shove it, and take a weekend road trip up north, drive home in a nice car
Hehe, then pull into that same dealership for service and laugh.
With destination and everything, it came to a MSRP of $35,000.
As many have already mentioned, the "Premium Plus" package is the same as the premium package, just fancier wheels.
A quick note about the two different wheel styles.
I was worried about getting the smaller wheels, simply because I think wheels make or brake a car, and seldom do the smaller wheels look better than the bigger wheels.
But I have to say, the base wheels look very nice, they look more "classic" to me.
The bigger wheels are very nice also, but they have a "new design" look to them, and I personally did not find them compelling.
Honestly, the base wheels make the Genesis look more like a BMW with BBS wheels, at least that's what comes to mind when I look at my car. The upgraded wheels make the Genesis look like something you have never seen before.
One note about the packages, keep in mind that the $4000 for the tech package requires that you have the Premium Plus package IN ADDITION. That means $3000 + $4000 for the tech. So if you want GPS, and all the goodies, you are looking at $7000 from base sticker... I just couldn't afford it personally, not to mention they are very rare right now (tech packages).
ES are expensive Camry with FWD, just like Azera. It will makes more sense compare LS ,or GS price to Genesis. RWD vs RWD.
My friend bought a brand new Azera GLS for $18,900. Almost $8,000 off MSRP. I got my 08 Sonata for $5,000 below MSRP.
Give about 6 months. Base Genesis's price will drop well below MSRP.
However, you are kidding yourself if you think the Lexus will retain 80% of its value after two years, unless you are going to sell it yourself. Maybe you'll get 60% or 65% if you take really good care of it and keep the mileage down, but that is about it. A friend of mine just traded in a 3 year old ES with only 23,000 miles on it and got 22K for it and was very happy. That was a loaded version he paid about 38K for new.
Oh well.
You're pushing it, comparing the Genesis to the LS. They're in different leagues. The Genesis, while a nice car, is no where near the LS in terms of refinement, luxury, and technology.
Maybe Hyundai's next luxury-oriented car (VI) will aim for the LS.
Besides a few of us petroheads here I wonder how many in the general buying population care about the car being RWD or FWD. As matter of fact, in the snow belt, FWD cars actually have the advantage over RWD counterparts.
I don't have the data to back me up but I'll make a bold statement saying that the majority of the buyers purchase their cars based on price, quality of the product and overall dealer experience. FWD/RWD or even performance in general is probably very low on their priority list.
Give about 6 months. Base Genesis's price will drop well below MSRP.
That's really not necessarily good for the Genesis...
I mean how tight can the panels be pushed together, how much softer can the leather feel? How much nicer can the buttons push?
Yeah, the LS has real wood, Ill give them that one.
Let's see what you get for an extra $30,000 with the Lexus.
+5 hp
-1 mpg
-1 year warranty
+2 extra transmission gears
+2 extra movements on your power seat
-1 power outlets
But Lexus's trump card, their "gotcha" is... the Lexus picnic table (honest, it comes with one).
Back to reality for a minute, I don't know about you, but I think Ill put my $30,000 back in my pocket.
The real question is this: if you went to Hyundai with an extra $30,000 to spend on your already awesome Genesis, what do you think they would give you? I bet that is what keeps Lexus up at night.
Heck...the Genesis turns out the power it turns out using regular gas and the LS has to run on premium, the Genesis gets better gas mileage and uses less gears to accomplish it. Then there's the driving dynamic, which some are saying is pretty close to being on par with that of the LS as well (subjectively arguable).
With Hyundai not using the same quality materials that Lexus uses, Hyundai still managed to put together a very solid vehicle that actually raises the argument of how well it can stack up against the Japanese & German offerings in the same vehicle class.
That's not only for the Genesis but also for every other cars. We know we had it good here in the good ole' USA but since I live here I still want to pay as few as possible for as much as possible. I don't care if the Genesis is selling for twice of its MSRP in Korea I just care about it here. Period.
If you are serious about one, tell the dealer you want it, offer him something close to invoice, and see if he can resist a "I'll buy it right now for xxx". If he can, there are a lot of Hyundai dealerships out there who will jump.
I am only saying this because I got mine for nearly invoice.
-1 mpg
-1 year warranty
+2 extra transmission gears
+2 extra movements on your power seat
-1 power outlets
Most ridiculous comparison I've ever seen in my life...
I bet that is what keeps Lexus up at night.
How did you know if Lexus doesn't sleep like a baby at night? :P
Sorry my bad, I thought I read "invoice".
At the Detroit show, Yukitoshi Funo, chairman of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., did worry about the competition.
"Our main competitors here are essentially Honda, Nissan and Hyundai, but Hyundai is the one we are very carefully watching. We're worried about them," he said.
So the question is, is Toyota worried enough about Hyundai to lose sleep at night?
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=61210
I worry about if the "big one" is going to hit LA. Do I lose sleep over that? No.
I worry about if idiots in North Korea one day decide to take the whole world down with them. Do I lose sleep over that? No.
I worry about whether or not the cute girl next door likes me or not. Do I lose sleep over that? No.
I'll just throw a few things out there off the top of my head...
- Radar cruise control
- Pre-collision system
- Knee airbags
- Driver AND passenger heated/cooled seats
- Rear heated/cooled seats with separate A/C AND massage
- Air ride suspension
- Power door close
- Power trunk
As for subjective stuff like leather, wood, materials, fit & finish, etc, you need to hop in an LS and then see how they compare.
And don't forget Lexus legendary (LS) reliability and top-notch DEALER service. We've heard how the Genesis saw 800K miles of testing. Try at least double that when Toyota tested the (original) LS.
Are they worth 30K? Let's put those features/technologies into the Genesis first and see how much Hyundai charges for them.
My point is: bring the Genesis to the same level of refinement and technology as the LS, and then you can compare the price.
Okay Captain you got me...
I admit that I do lose sleep over that last one.
:P
Is it what the LS is, clearly not and I don't think anyone is trying to say it is. However, the fact that a Hyundai is being compared in any light to a Lexus, Infiniti or other premium make says a lot for Hyundai.
From a price point, the Genesis can be compared to the GS350, but from what you get in & on the car...the GS doesn't stack up, so what's the next model in the Lexus stable...the LS.
You've got folks out here that will be willing to foregoe the Lexus fineries that the LS offers, save about $20K and still have a very nice, solid car in the Genesis. On the flip side, you will have plenty that will pay the $20K premium just to say they have an LS...it's what makes the world go 'round. If folks that are shopping Infinity M's, Benz E's, & BMW 5's are already taking looks a the Genesis, what makes you think that someone shopping an LS won't either? Even if it's for the sake of not having to use premium gas in the tank. I've always believed that old cliche....never say never.
Do I have to make points on every post I make?
Uh... I think on both performance and features the GS stacks up against the Genesis pretty well. The only thing it doesn't compare is the price. However, that alone doesn't make the Genesis "comparable" to the LS.
You've got folks out here that will be willing to foregoe the Lexus fineries that the LS offers, save about $20K and still have a very nice, solid car in the Genesis.
I am going to make a bold statement here, it'll be hard, very hard, if not impossible to find buyers who are ACTUALLY cross shopping between the LS and Genesis. Let alone they actually choose the Genesis over the LS. For those LS/7/S shoppers, all they see are the L, tri-star and white/blue prop on the hood, the last thing they check is that piece of paper on the window...
Just for a quick poll here...
Who here actually is going from Lexus to Genesis?
Who here is going from Toyota/Honda/Hyundai/Nissan to Genesis?
Usually the 'I' in FYI is reserved for "useful info".
Telling me how much more expensive the Genesis is in Korea is not necessarily "useful" IMO.
The GS 350 is pumping out 303 hp on premium fuel and the Genesis 3.8 is pumping out 290 on regular fuel (speculation of close to 300 on premium fuel).
The GS while it is a luxury make, it's more a luxury sport sedan as opposed to just a luxury car which is what the LS is and the argument on the Genesis is all about. So...do you compare a luxury sport sedan to a luxury sedan or do you compare a luxury sedan to a luxury sedan?
I never said EVERYONE would cross shop, you'll find SOME that will.
I will probably be less cross shopping as opposed to those tired of paying the premium dollar for gas and maintenance and trading in for something like the Genesis...know what I mean?
I think the point all of this Lexus vs Genesis comparison is trying to demonstrate, is that you can get a car that is nearly equal to the pinnacle of modern luxury sedans, for half the price.
That's good news isn't it?
For years, Lexus has dangled their products in front of the world, and they are indeed an object of desire. Sad truth is that the majority of people can't afford their cars.
But they can afford a Hyundai!!!!! Woo who!!! Hallelujah!!!
So I think there's a bit of satisfaction knowing that you got practically the same thing, without having to lop your right arm off.
So don't rain on my satisfaction.
I made that post for everyone, not just for you. Some people in here might think its interesting.
Was my "Genesis price in Korea" post that stupid, useless, and offensive?
I said it when talk the Genesis first started...this will be the car that will make everyone re-think Hyundai. The fact that it's still in its infancy and being compared to the likes of the Japenese and European premium sedans is nothing short of amazing. The fact that the car causes the debates that it has...is a statement in itself. Think about it...less than a year ago, to say Hyundai could or would make a car with the driving dymanics of any premium sedan was extremely laughable. Now that one actually exists...naysayers STILL don't want to give props where props are due.
I think it goes back to a statement I orginally made quite a while back...the Hyundai Genesis is the blue-collar Lexus.