Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

mn778

The Dunlop tire used on the V6 is the SP Sport 5000 "M" which is not a highly rated tire on any surface, let alone snow. They are #19 on a list of 21. In the tire world they are considered crap!
Does anyone know what tire is stock on the V8? I certainly hope they are not Dunlop's.

allmet33

Ricwhite...even if the difference is 4 mpg, that's not a huge difference considering it's a V-6 vs. V-8. The differences that folks are posting are going to vary since everyone drives differently and under varying conditions.

Like you, I see close to the same numbers in FE with my Azera as well. The 15 mpg city I average is really because I'm heavy footed. I made an effort to drive "gently" for a week and saw the FE actually go up to almost 17 mpg. I won't say the Azera is the perfect city car, but it's better than the the the SUV we own.

ahah

I know people are freaked out about gas, but, if you step back for a minute, we're not talking about a substantial amount of money here....If you drive 12k miles per year, that's 600 gallons of gas at 24 mpg and 500 gallons of gas at 20 mpg...

so... we're talking 100 more gallons of gas a year which is <$500 (<~$40 / month). Not a big deal to someone buying a $40k car....

allmet33

Those numbers work for those that simply drive 12K miles a year, but I am one that drives on average between 25-30K per year.

carolinabob

All fuel economy estimates and results are now suspect due to ethanol. 10% ethanol/90%gasoline lowers MPG by 5-10% depending upon who did the research and report. E85 lowers it as much as 25%.
If I use cruise on relatively level roads and drive 55, I can get 32 MPG in my azera.

carolinabob

My dealer has been pretty good re: my azera, but the only issue has been the shocks and that is above their level. They show one Genesis on the lot asking MSRP.
Another dealer in this area called me last Thursday and said he had a Genesis on the lot, but it would probably be gone by Saturday. Today is Tuesday and it is still there asking MSRP. The first one they got did sell in one day and the 5 Lincoln MKS' all sold within a week. Per salesman all sold at MSRP.
With the econonmy and other issues, I expect we will see Genesis V6's with $2,000 discounts by early 2009.
Hyundai does not need another dealer network, just improve the ones it has, upgrade service, etc.
Adding another dealer network to market Genesis would cost billions which would be passed on to the customers, even if you add Azera and Veracruz to the "make."
The Lexus dealer charges $70.00 for an oil and filter change and provides you with a loaner. The Toyota dealer charges 29.95 for the same service.

pafromfl

The hit from ethanol is closer to 10% with my 300C Hemi and 330i (based on long trips down I-95). It's hard to tell, but I think the ethanol prevents the 300C from switching to 4 cylinders around 70 mph. This may also affect the Genesis V8 cylinder deactivation. The whole state of Florida is switching to 10%/90% and I can no longer find real gas in my county. (Note that ethanol can also dissolve the fuel lines in 2-cycle yard equipment, and can destroy built-in fuel tanks of older boats.)

captain2

not to excuse your SoCal dealer - but to be fair - any and all car dealers are NOT generally required to sell any car for any given price - they will get what they can get for any car. Perhaps you remember the Mini Cooper when it first came out - similar 'market adjustments' to what you are talking about here The Honda Fit carries a $1500.00 'adjustment' here in Houston right now - on a $15000.00 car!. I remember the Infiniti M selling at $5k over sticker a few years back. Any dealer will do the same thing as this Hyundai dealer is doing - if they can get it - and if they can that would be a good thing for not only Genesis buyers (resale values) but also Hyundai (maybe they have finally have a car that doesn't have to discounted heavily to be sold).
I would bet you that other Hyundai dealers in your area are doing the same thing - such is the nature of competition (and supply/demand).

tjc78

I would bet you that other Hyundai dealers in your area are doing the same thing

I don't know.... the dealer I went to in southern NJ seemed willing to deal if I was. (I explained I wouldn't be buying until my current lease was up) There were no market adjustments on the sticker and they had four units and had only sold 1 so far. Now, maybe "willing to deal" was MSRP but that didn't seem to be the case.

captain2

one of the oddities of car shopping - the same car can (and will) be priced differently in different parts of the country. I do find it hard to believe that any dealer thinks they are going to get $45k for a Hyundai of any sort ( think Hyundai made a good decision in not identifying the car as what it is) - never mind the $35k that's actually on the window sticker - but SoCal is the land of the $5k house payment so maybe not that surprising.
Judging by your report as well as several others here, this buyer would be well served to look elsewhere :confuse:
Remember too many years ago (mid 70s) when I wanted to buy THE hot car at the time (something called an 'Accord') - dealers were getting several hundred OVER sticker - I was POed and even went so far as 'reporting' it to Honda hdqtrs. in Calif.. To no avail, of course ,and ended up in something else. It's really the principal of the whole thing and especially hard to accept on a car that you would expect a big discount on but it does happen all the time....

mnjasper

One dealer in MN has discounts posted right on the window (about $1000.00). I've not heard of anyone around here seeking over sticker. Rationality will come to other markets shortly.

sthede

My mistake. I missed the little m next to the 5000.

Well, that is bad news... I would price out a new tire/wheel combo at tirerack.com, but they dont have the genesis in the system yet.

allmet33

With some crappy Dunlops, the car posted a .83 on the skidpad...imagine how much better it could do with some legitimately good tires!!!

joe97

AMCI tested the Genesis, and the car posted .94G (V8)

For comparison, the E550 came in with .89G, the 550i was .90G, both behind the Genesis

allmet33

Well...i had read a different review that said .83, but the point is...it got decent numbers with some crappy tires (if the Dunlops are indeed rated poorly), so imagine how much better it could be with something like some Pirelli P Zeroes or something.

readyformyrl

Sthede,

Good information..thanks!

paik4life

You seem to be the only person that got the iPhone or iPhone 3G to work. Could you be a bit more specific in how you got it to work. No one on genesisowners.com forum can seem to get it to work with the DIS. I REALLY want to get this to work. So any help would be great. I have the Tech Package with an iPhone 3G.

~Paik

milan13

I just got off the phone with the dealer who is willing to offer the lease promo deal but mentioned that the total amount due at signing will be 1800+first month (prem. plus package) + title + TAX + document fees ($180). I am in Detroit and not sure why the TAX + Doc fees are included since I will be paying Tax on my monthly lease rentals also. He said the total due at signing will be close to $3000.

Anyone can help?

ricwhite

I think there's a misunderstanding on the lease terms. Taxes are ADDED to the monthly payment within the lease and are usually not paid in a lump sum up front. Other than that, I think the other terms appear about right. I'm not that knowledgeable about the advertised lease deal, but I think it included down payment around the $1500 point (you stated $1800) plus the first month's lease (which is typical) plus title and document fees (although I usually figure anything over $150 is gouging). So, it appears like it's legit. You just need to make sure the residual amount is correct and the money factor is right.

With taxes, you would probably end up paying about $35/month more than the advertised amount: So a $349/mo lease, for example, will probably end up around $385/mo after taxes. Anything more than that and there's something fishy gone and you'll have to dig through the numbers and paperwork to figure out where.

readyformyrl

I was given these lease numbers for 40k Tech V6:

$39500 Price
$2000 Cap reduction
$595 Acquisition
Lease Factor 0.00080
Tax $895.44
MV Fees $170
Doc Fees $ 398.50
66% Residual

$3267 Down w/24 mos at $548.72

They said they would be willing to deal, I knew I wouldn't become serious about this car until I looked at some others but I questioned the numbers. The national program has $2100 + Fees and it would be about $499 w/o tax.

Does anyone know the purchase price of the car w/the National program for the Tech Model V6 and what is the invoice on this car. Would you agree that's a lot out of pocket for this car? Does Hyundai have a disposition fee?

backy

That varies by state. In MN now, for example, sales tax is paid up front for the entire lease term. It used to be paid out monthly.

sthede

Leased my 3.8 with Premium Package a week and a half ago.

I posted the entire deal on this forum, in case you want to compare.

If you are looking at a 3.8 with tech package, obviously that will be more.

But unless something has changed in the last week or so, there is no reason anyone couldn't get a deal close to what I got, which I think was great.

Quick recap:

$35k sticker
12k per year
2 year lease
$1500 total out of pocket
$435 per month total includes state tax
(They even covered my last 2 months of Azera lease payments, at $429 a month)

You would think if they are talking about a car that is 4k more than that, with even more money down, that you should be able to get that payment under $500 easy.

That is if they are willing to deal and get your business...

coleman2

I'm considering a 24 month lease on a Genesis. I'm concerned about the extras that the dealer is asking for in the lease:
Doc Fee-$390
DMV-$200
GAP insurance-$500
Bank Fee-$600
Tax-$920
Do these seem inflated?

ricwhite

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Doc Fee-$390
DMV-$200
GAP insurance-$500
Bank Fee-$600
Tax-$920
Do these seem inflated?
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Doc Fee - $390? High, IMO
DMV - $200? (seems about right)
Gap Insurance $500? What??? HMFC automatically gives GAP insurance with the lease. You should pay nothing.
Bank Fee - $600? I would guess that's the acquisition fee? Seems a little high to me. I paid $395 on my Azera lease.

iwant1too

I'm in MA and my local dealer has a $1797 market adjustment sticker on every Hyundai; from the Accent to the Genesis.

I sat in the Genesisa and looked it over. It was very nice and I was impressed. Excellent quality and materials. Hyundai has taken this car to a new level over the other cars in their lineup.

milan13

I am looking at the same exterior and interior colors. Is it possible for you to share some pictures of the car? I went to 3 dealers so far and no one has this color combination.

allmet33

Too bad you're not in VA...they had one at Alexandria Hyundai, exactly as you wish...Sapphire Blue, Tan interior w/Tech Package

mn778

In case you are not aware of this site, it covers all the inventory on any specific car and area of the country. I hope it helps!

http://www.cars.com/go/index.jsp?aff=national

allmet33

Good info, but the only problem is....the dealer doesn't always put all the information in. I think they do that to get folks in the doors.

whzrd

You can try the Hyundai Genesis forum, Simonwpb has an album of his blue sapphire w/ tan interior w/tech pkg.

http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/album.php?albumid=14

dave174

Hi guys, we are now thinking about a 3 or 4 year lease and want to get input as to what we should know and ask the dealer.

What are the key things to know below?

I would ask the following:
Doc fee cost
DMV fee
GAP is included
Any bank fees
Annual mileage allowance
CAP reduction cost
lease factor
Acquisition cost
residual %

Thanks all, input is appreciated as I have always bought rather than lease and just want to be informed by those in the know of how to get a fair deal.

milan13

Thanks Sthede. I do not think that I will get a deal any way close to what you have got You owned a Huyndai previously and I believe dealer gave you a loyalty bonus for the upgrade by rolling over your Azera lease payments and reducing the overall down payment. Just curious though, $1500 included your first month lease payment? I am looking at Saddle brown interior now as my wife liked that color better than the Tan. Anyone who have seen saddle brown interior pl. let me know your opinion Vs. Tan interior. My dealer told me that the saddle brown interior is currently not available and may come with the V8 package to begin with.

joe97

Irony much?

Also, Hyundai Genesis - DUB Edition

I like the white one better, personally.



More here: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=130756#4

readyformyrl

Sthede,

What was the Cost of your car in relation to the MSRP? How close were you to invoice?

Thanks!

readyformyrl

It appears that dealers must have to subscribe to this service,b/c I drove a car yesterday in Milford, CT. They had three Genesis' and this Dealer does not even appear within the radius of my immediate market area.

readyformyrl

Goodmove,

Do you feel the Genesis is just as responsive upon acceleration as the Acura RL and does it handle like the RL when taking corners from your standpoint?

I drove the Genesis again yesterday and the speed is slowly deceptive, but it doesn't really feel like you're going anywhere and next thing you know you're at 65mph. I took the highway off ramps and corners a little extreme and I felt like I had to oversteer to really stick the turn at a high speed...

sthede

Here are some pictures of my car:

(Technically, this is not my actual car, but my car is exactly the same, same colors, same wheels, just happened to stumble upon these pictures from a dealer.)

https://www.typhoontools.com/file.php?id=7172-1026-8278

sthede

Honestly I don't know. I think it was almost at invoice, maybe a few hundred bucks,

I had been pricing out leases on all kinds of cars for months. Chysler 300Cs, Jeep Grand Cherokees, Nissan Muranos, Subaru Legacy Limited GTs, Ford Edge Limited, Lincoln MKZ... So I had a pretty good feel on what a lease on a $35,000 car would be. Not to mention this dealership got me a monthly payment $65.00 a month less than their sister store, and with $500 less down, and absorbing two $435 payments I had left on my Azera the sister store didn't even consider.

I tossed them the keys to my Azera and my credit card for $1500, and they tossed me the keys to my new Genesis. Done. My monthly payments stayed the same as I had been paying for 2 years. Ok, maybe it wasn't that fast, but you get the idea.

I guess I didn't care what the final sale price was, it was a great monthly lease payment compared to everything else I had priced out, they could take my Azera off my hands right now, and besides, I had had car fever for months, and it was driving me crazy. It was time to put me out of my misery, and pull the trigger!

And judging by what other folks have been getting quoted, I actually feel somewhat lucky I got the deal I did.

goodmove

Do you feel the Genesis is just as responsive upon acceleration as the Acura RL and does it handle like the RL when taking corners from your standpoint?

For all practical purposes, I prefer the Genesis to the RL. Yes the RL was a great performer and the AWD was reassuring, but here in South Florida, I do not see the need for myself to even try to approach the handling limits of the Genesis.

The acceleration on the Genesis is way smoother than the RL's. I am really getting to enjoy the Lexicon audio system and it's getting to the point that I am looking for any excuse to get into the car and drive somewhere. The car feels surefooted when I push it on the on and off ramps. I saw a video on YouTube that had the Genesis outcornering and outbraking BMW and MB.

What we need to keep in mind is that this is a Hyundai, and although not as sophisticated as cars costing 10-20K more, for 90% of driving conditions it's just as good as any car out there.

If an Audi A6, the RL and the Genesis cost exactly the same, I would pick the A6 first by a tiny margin, Genesis second and RL last. But since the cost is not the same, the Genesis wins by a longshot in my book.

Now, if I was asked for my choice in Germany -if the Genesis was available there- I would easily pay 10K more for the A6, as it really is an amazing car to drive on the autobahn...

madoka

I for one was about to buy the LS460 until I started reading about the Genesis. In fact, I already had the deal I wanted in place ($500 over invoice on any LS in their lot). In June I bought an IS F. In July I bought a LX570. I figured I'd go for the trifecta and get the LS460 as my highway cruiser, but now I'm seriously considering the Genesis.

So yeah, I think Lexus should be worried.

mn778

That color combo is great! The wheels look like the V8 wheels! Are they the wheels that came with your car? They are super looking.

allmet33

Hey Joe97...thanks for sharing. Now you got me over here drooling!!!

Both cars look slick and wear aftermarket wheels extremely well. WOW!!!

snags

Does the voice activation system in the genesis control anything else other then navigation functions?

sthede

Thanks!

Yes, those are the wheels that are on my car.

emelie

will be getting my first drive in a couple of weeks. The car has not launched yet in Canada. I have been a Lexus man since the LS 400 came out and I well remember being kidded for paying so much for a "Toyoto". I expect to get the same treatment if I decide on a genesis--- will let you know what I think.

wobbly_ears

Disappointed in Houston...

Well, not with Genesis, but with weather. The Discover Genesis tour is currently on in Houston this weekend & I was looking forward to the event eagerly as it would be the first time I would see it live & also be able to put it through the paces.

However, it was raining very badly this morning. When the wife & I went to the location, the nice Hyundai people were apologetic that they had cancelled the event for the day as there was a Tornado watch & also apparently their tent had collapsed. If the weather looks good tomorrow, I would probably go there & check it out tomorrow.

Howver, I did see a black Genesis parked there & I gotta say it looked stunning. If Genesis was out last year when I purchased my Azzy, I probably would have gone for Genesis.

rv65

Yes it controls all but iPod. Thats according to the DIS manual.

bluechip1954

Today I test drove the Genesis 6v for the first time and was totaly impressed. I would rank the vehicle up there with any of the cars in the class. Unfortunately, there were no cars available to drive with the navi option. Upon returning to the dealership ( Brad Benson, New Jersey) I had a chance to look more carefully at the window sticker and was amazed to find a " price adjustment" of $ 5,000. The salesman seemed not to find this unusual, and even told me I should be grateful, since he had heard that other dealers were charging even more ! The 35k sticker was now 40k ( that's without navi, which I am told would add 5k to the car). I walked out after being told that the lease would be in the $ 650 range. Hyundai had better rein in these dealers or they will miss a golden chance...... Ed

zone4

I agree. I've been saying that all along. Of course, someone's going to complain about what we're saying but I think marking up the price like that is going to turn people off. It doesn't make since to me to try to enter a luxury market by raising the price of your car by another $5,000. Of course if it was MB, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, and Audi it may not matter because they are already in the luxury division and people may not mind paying extra for one. But Hyundai is not established in the luxury division yet so raising your price above MSRP is not the way to get a foothold into the division. I think they are too overconfident with the Genesis. Then again maybe they are trying to see how many people are foolish enough to pay $5000 over MSRP. Of course they know they can always lower the price later. Toyota did the same thing when they launched the Tundra. Consequently, many people including me decided to buy other vehicles because they were pricing their Tundras too high. I think they have a winnner with the Genesis but their marketing ploy is going to hurt them. Just my opinion.

mn778

All of those dealers are not getting any of my business. Anyone who pays these "market adjustments" should think twice. It's outragious!
That NJ dealer you are talking about is the worst! He's even pricing his genesis inventory at MSRP on the net just to get you in his store. Take a look:

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