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Your assumptions are all correct.
The fee was there doc/admin fee but it was listed on the bill of sale on the breakdown as I only negotiate an out the door price. By the way, a handy piece of advice is to give your out the door price and get in your car and drive away. Tell them to call you if they can meet your price. It can be easily done by phone as was this deal. Drive to another dealer and repeat.good luck. They will deal....
Since you drove both the Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 back-to-back, how much of a power difference did you notice between the V6 and V8? Also, some of the automotive publications have noted that the V6 with a slightly better front/rear weight balance actually handles better than the heavier V8. Could you notice any difference when you test drove them?
Also, you're taking $46K for the 3.6 V-6 cranking out 255 hp, hardly comparable to the 290 hp the 3.8 in the Genesis puts out. You wanna jump up to the A6 4.2 for just over $50K? Well...that's a better comparison power-wise to the Genesis 4.6, but at a cost of $10K or more (depending on what kinda deals folks can get when the V-8 Genesis finally drops).
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I don't lease and I have pride in my ride, that's why I keep it up by keeping it clean and taking care of the preventive maintenance. Leasing has nothing to do with pride in a vehicle, it has to do with someone that wants to save money and be able to get a new car every couple/few years without much loss. However, there are those of us that buy a car and drive it till the wheels fall off. In cases like that, a lease makes no sense at all.
The flip side, I buy a car and pay $530 over 5 years for a total of $31,800, right? That means in 5 years, I'll have a car that's in great shape (if its been taken care of), still under warranty (depending on the miles driven) and no car note. So...while you'll be going on your 3rd lease by that time, you'll have a new car and end up having spent more money in the process.
There's always 2 sides to every coin my friend and not every situation fits everybody. What may work great for you, may not be worth a hill of beans to me. Leases mean you have to worry about mileage, personally...I pay a car note to not have to worry about how many miles I drive. Wait a minute, I don't have a car note any more and my cars only 2.5 years old with just over 55K miles on it. Yikes!!! :surprise: How much extra would you have paid on your lease for miles like that???
Any one who knows wheels, know it's old. To some people having a new ride is important.
Yes, those that know wheels can pick the tell-tale signs of which model year you have and be quite impressed that it looks as good as it does. You're right some folks must be seen in the latest greatest to stroke their egos. As far as technology goes...with all the aftermarket stuff that's out there, any car can be just as up-to-date as the newest tech loaded model and there are plenty that are.
Do I knock folks for wanting to upgrade vehicles every couple years, heck no...let them take the hit on vehicle price and after they turn it in, the person that buys it afterwards gets a huge break.
If the model is a failure, you're not stuck with depreciation - How'd you like to have been a Phaeton buyer, and taken the hit on the resale? Same with the Land Rover Discovery after the problems started to crop up there. Buyers took a hit; leasers walked away.
The second generation of the Genesis will be the one to buy - or the first generation when it comes off lease.
It seems that some of us that bought the 1st generation (early production) Azera's fared better than those up until the new '09 (jury is still out on that though).
However, I think in the case of the Genesis, you're right...by the next model year they should have some small things in place that aren't on the initial model.
I too was a little disappointed in the CTS, but you must take into account that the CTS can now be bought very well loaded for the same price or less than the Genesis. You can get about $10,000- off MSRP right now.
As far as the Mercedes goes, it was substatially better than the Genesis. Before you think I am bashing the Genesis, I am not. I liked it, and I am seriously thinking of leasing one. However, if the price of all 3 vehicles were the same, I would take the mercedes in a heartbeat.
I think it's been well stated, Hyundai shot for Benz, but landed at about Infiniti in terms of quality...that's still not bad at all on their first shot of making a luxury sedan.
If all 3 were the same price, the one that burns regular gas gets my nod. Besides, have you seen what it costs to get a tune-up on a Benz?
You are weird...
My 2-year-old (2006) Lexus IS350 looks better and drives better than most new cars on the street and I would think that'll still be the case in two years...
I completely disagree, I do have a 2000 Black TrasAM that still turn heads and looks less than a year old, granted it has only 26000 miles and used mostly for weekend pleasure driving.
Other than regular maintenance, upgraded brake pads, summer tire change and a simple professional tune chip mod (ops did I say that?!) nothing has been done to this ‘OLD’ bird
Last year on Atlanta Motor Speedway, I did not have the bottle to take this baby beyond 150 with a measured 4.8 seconds 0-60, but let me tell you I had plenty of pride when my instructor red lined her at 168 miles per hour (speed trapped with my blessing of course).
Some people think I am crazy, but I am trading the ‘beast’ simply because I like the Genesis and not becouse I have an "old car with old tech".
That is absolutely erroneous. I have a 1997 Subaru Outback that when treated to a coating of Klasse looks totally brand new. It's all in how you take care of your car provided that the materials are first rate to start with.
Just polished up the wheels on my 2000 Lincoln LS, still looks showroom new (religious waxing will do that), runs like new at 145K miles....AND I haven't had a car payment since 2003.
Sorry, but I'm with the other guys on this one.
Something else I thought about too...any one who knows wheels, respects and appreciates an "old" car that's well kept and maintained.
I have just had a quick look; it looks like going be about a strait swap for a V8 Genesis!!! not bad for an 'old bird'!.... but wait!! I am leasing, oh well more money in the bank!!
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=249461046&dealer_id=63108855&c- ar_year=2000&model=TRANSAM&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeMode- l=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&c- ertified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipErro- r=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=PONT&keywords_display=&color=&page_lo- cation=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=20000&drive=&max_mileage=&style_fla- g=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=30071&advanced=&end_year=2009&doors=&transmissio- n=&max_price=&cardist=765
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Glad you are enjoying your new Genesis, I cannot wait for V8 to hit the floor!!!...
I talked to the manager at the dealership I frequent and he said that the V-8's are another 2 months off!!! :sick:
Yes, you can get the Genesis winged emblems (front and back), as well as the official KDM center wheel cap wing emblem and also the crome door strips (found on the V-8) -- all at Korean Auto Imports. I have ordered and istalled the front and rear emblems on my Genesis and the center wheel caps too. The chrome strips are on order too.
KAI can get the original OEM parts from Hyundai, but so can some ebay sellers if you are willing to wait a little longer (they charge less).
Here is the link for KoreanAutoImports:
http://www.koreanautoimports.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=genes- is&osCsid=ae6cf320cbf206be4426f227a9114464
Here is the link for the Ebay Seller that also sells these parts:
http://search.ebay.com/hyundai-genesis-emblem_W0QQ_trksidZm37Q2el1313QQfromZR40
Here is a description of how to install the front winged emblem. The rear one does not require any modification but the front one - which is formefit the hood - requires you to trim off the pegs on the badge (the Korean Genesis version has two holes in the hood where the front emblem connects). It was pretty easy to do this:
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=278
** Note that this thread was started before we knew that they sold a separate rear badge that does not require sanding..
Do ya think you'll get that price?
I really don't know, but if it helps any...I'm here on the East coast. That might affect things a little bit.
Smart money would be trade it in on a buy, finance what's left over (easily a $200/mo. note), pay it off in half the time (which means less interest paid) and now the car is more of an asset because it's paid for.
allmet33,
I might still do that! you may recall from one my older posts, I also have a free car note on low millage V6 SUV (probably with a small down payment may eliminate finance altogether), however some of my issues are;
- I have 20 miles daily trip
- Not to sure how Gennisis value will hold up in couple of years.
- My job may take me overseas in couple of years.
- The current lease offer appears to be very attractive..
As it has been mentioned before, "leasing is not for everyone but may work for some!"
My issue is that I have never leased before! bought new and took very good care of my vehicles.... it is still a Dilemma, I suppose I will wait until crunch time and pull the trigger..
I understand the issues, but save the trade-in for when you're ready to buy or just flat out sell it and pocket the money (maybe use some of it to lower the terms of your lease, but not all of it). Using a vehicle as trade on a lease is just the same as throwing money away.
Not to mention the fact that you would most likely get two to three times as much money for a car like that Firebird if you sold it to a TransAm lover than if you traded it to a dealer that sees the car as nothing more than another unit on the floorplan.
"For Sale" signs are cheap, and I think would be a great return on investment.
1. Why wouldn't they put electric in-swing mirrors on it?
2. Why wouldn't they put lumbar support in the passenger seat? There is also no cooling in the passenger seat.
3. Reclining seats in the rear would have been nice.
4. We and our friends sat in the rear seats for a lengthy period of time and found them to be very hard. We all agreed that travelling a long distance with four people would result in the two in back becoming very uncomfortable.
Therefore we will keep searching. We loved everything else about this car.
Good luck in your search.
I was wondering what is a better deal? I looked at the lease calculator and this says my monthly is 421. However, I'm pretty sure the monthly payments I have to turn in are at about 321.
Please help.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Area Dealers are telling me.
If I go with the V6 Tech- my latest price is $36,900.00++ (which includes the following being thrown in the deal- CT "Cargo Tray" and WL "Wheel Locks").
Color: Sapphire Blue Pearl
And a "Full Tank of Premium Unleaded Gas"- since I am aware some dealers are only giving $20 of gas.
Decisions...
Here is another area of strong improvement, awareness of the Hyundai brand and consideration of the its vehicles: 56%, up from 41% back in '05, 25% in '04, and 12.5% in '01.
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Since you drove both the Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 back-to-back, how much of a power difference did you notice between the V6 and V8? Also, some of the automotive publications have noted that the V6 with a slightly better front/rear weight balance actually handles better than the heavier V8. Could you notice any difference when you test drove them?"
The power difference between the 3.8 V6 and 4.6 V8 is better explained like this: The V6 seemed to be more responsive in that the power comes on right away, where as the V8's power builds gradually but once it gets going it really takes off.
As far as handling I will give the edge to the 3.8. I suspect the weight ratio difference helps in that respect. But both powertrains are very smooth and refined.
I too was a little disappointed in the CTS, but you must take into account that the CTS can now be bought very well loaded for the same price or less than the Genesis. You can get about $10,000- off MSRP right now.
As far as the Mercedes goes, it was substatially better than the Genesis. Before you think I am bashing the Genesis, I am not. I liked it, and I am seriously thinking of leasing one. However, if the price of all 3 vehicles were the same, I would take the mercedes in a heartbeat."
I'm not sure there is any disagreement. The purpose of the test drive was to compare and contrast the competitive class that the Genesis is entering. In that regard, the Genesis compares quite favorably with the CTS and E550.
I think we both agreed that the E550 handles better than the Genesis in terms of handling finesse, which I have already stated. However, the fact is, the Genesis is competitive in that it offers far more room, refinement, quality fit-and-finish, and is rationally priced, compared to the E550s $40k price difference.
This makes up for any short comings and makes it a much more compelling proposition. In this regard, I believe we both can agree.
Karen's husband here.
That seems to be a decent deal on on the purchase. I wonder if the prices will approach $27,000 for base models anytime soon.
Honestly, even BMW is having to roll out incentives that I've never seen from them before to move cars, and I think the economy is kicking the upper echelon cars as hard as any other type.
Why not???? The cap cost on the lease is no different than buying the car. If they won't figure the lease on the same price as the buy, go elsewhere. The only thing is if there is a rebate that can't be combined with the low lease MF. BTW the residual is always figured on MSRP.
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You are so right. They have done a marvelous job building a fine automobile. The seat issue is that we would like them to be more like the Avalon Limited or the G35 that recline slightly for more comfort on longer drives. We are seeking a sporty but comfortable riding, luxury sedan. (I wonder if you can get sporty and comfortable) When we travel we enjoy taking friends with us and someone has to ride in the rear seats. I think we are spoiled by our Avalon.
Even with the few missing bells, the V6 genny is a wonderful value and a joy to drive.
Absolutely!
As for reclining rear seats and low noise, it's a non-issue as it can be done.