Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

speedbump47

I remember the first few years of the 1st gen G35 sedan had reclining seats. Anyone remember why that option was done away with? Was it purely cost savings or something to do with interior volume/rigidity/weight, etc?

speedbump47

It could be because a certain segment of the target demographic is "moving up" from front-wheel drive cars and not understanding that lack of fold down rears is common in the RWD luxury segment. I think it has less to do with being more harsh on Genesis and more to do with it being the first car of that class they've investigated. Or maybe the "pass-through" option is highlighting the fact that the seats don't fold down; I don't believe the 1st Gen LS400 we owned had fold downs (or a passthrough) and it wasn't apparent until we tried to do it.

allmet33

I see and any luxury car that may have had a fold down rear seat was very short lived because it's not something you hear about at all. At best, like you said...a small pass through that can accomodate a few pair of skis is what you'll get these days.

lokki

I can't speak for all the manufacturers but I checked BMW and Mercedes, and for the 5 Series and the E Class (which seem like the most reasonable Genesis comparisons) folding rear seats are available as an option.

So, I guess that there IS a demand, but not enough of one to make it standard equipment.

I didn't check the Japanese makers - does anyone know?

allmet33

I have to admit, that's quite interesting.

Maybe if enough noise is made about it, they could eventually make it an option as it wouldn't seem to be that hard of a thing to do. A couple hinges here, a catch and locking mechanism there...VOILA!!!

Just like I'm sure some of the stuff that folks feel is missing on the Genesis now, I'm sure will show up in future iterations, maybe starting with the next modle year. We shall see!

okk1

I don't know why they didn't give me the price, but the lease terms were the lowest I could get from any dealer and seems lower than the national push.

The lease calculator says I should be paying 421 a month, but the payments that are scheduled are 321 a month.

Could it be that they just used the 33000 price to figure the residual but actually base the payments on the 28900 price?

traderj

I don't understand why this is not an issue with anyone here. This car, like many today, has very poor rear visability. A rear back-up sensor, not a camera, should be standard on any car with limited visability. This is not just a Genesis problem. I have shopped the CTS and the new A4 and both of them require you to buy the maximum packages inorder to get a rear sensor or camera. This is being packaged as a luxury item by all of these manufacturers, when in fact it is a basic safety item. For those of you who have a Genesis or will be driving one soon, put the car in reverse, back-up, and tell if if you would be able to see a small child or other object. We should all be raising a stink about this, or they will keep on designing cars for style over function, and then charging us max dollars for a simple safety device. I would like to lease this car, but I don't want to be forced to buy the tech package. And I don't want to have to pay to have this installed after-market on a leased car.

allmet33

Well...like the CTS and A4 (don't know why you would shop an A4 if you're looking at CTS and Genesis) anyway...if you get the fully loaded version of any Genesis (tech package) you get the back up camera.

However, on all models below the tech package (base, premium and premium plus), I do think back-up sensors should be standard.

Did Hyundai get everything right in their first roll with a luxury car, no...not quite. You're right, if enough folks raise cain about this issue...it could very well find it's way into upcoming refreshes.

However, there are very inexpensive back up cameras that are easy to install and can be removed without any damage to the vehicle when the lease is up and you can use it on your next vehicle as well. You know, the camera that attaches to the license plate frame.

speedbump47

Not to be argumentative, but is the visibility really that much worse than most other cars? Unless you're driving a hatchback or something (with a low window right above the bumper), the rear visibility is always going to be obscured by the trunk or be too high (as in an SUV or minivan). By your test criteria, I don't think any of my cars would enable me to see an object or person right behind the vehicle; which is why I was always taught to walk around the back of a car to get in the driver's door or to back into spaces.

While I agree that having an active mechanism reduces accident potential even more (things rolling/running behind after you get in the car), are these cars THAT inherently bad/unsafe visibility-wise or is it more that something vying in this "luxury" marketspace should have it? Simpler said, if the Corolla had this Genesis body, would you be up in arms mandating that they have a cheap backup indicator?

joe97

To my knowledge, and correct me if I am mistaken, most cars in this class and above, even one or two below come either with backup sensors or camera but not both. This is true of a lot of vehicles I've seen, and the case for Hyundai vehicles (those with sensors don't have cameras, those with cameras don't have sensors).

As for the limited visibility, I don't think the Genesis is any more or less than other large sedans. The blind spot behind the car is something every vehicle has, obviously, and some less than others; but I'm pretty sure all sedans are about the same in this area.

traderj

Two wrongs don't make a right. You can't justify the lack of a back-up sensor in the Genesis by saying that other cars don't have it.
The rear back-up sensor would not only help prevent accidents, but it will save your rear bumper when backing into a parking spot or when you must give your car to a valet to park.
Perhaps I am just older than most of you, but I can remember when I would turn around and look backwards to back-up, I would be able to see my trunk. These days cars are designed with smaller, more angled rear windows and you cannot see the trunk at all.
The reason car manufacturers are not making an item like this standard is simply because we are not demanding it. If they thought sales were affected by the omition of this, they would include it.
This happens to be a very inexpensive item. If the base Genesis was $33,100- or $33,200-, but included the rear sensor, would anyone here not buy it. On the contrary, I think they might even get a few more sales.

joe97

front/rear parking assistance sensors

rear backup warning camera

viking967

2009 HYUNDAI GENESIS DELIVERS NHTSA FIVE-STAR SAFETY RATINGS

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., 08/27/2008 The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) awarded five-star crash test ratings, the highest government rankings under the agency’s New Car Assessment Program, to the all-new 2009 Hyundai Genesis for both frontal and side-impact crash tests.
“Genesis was engineered with a lightweight but strong body shell, featuring ultra-high tensile steel, laser welding, and advanced adhesive bonding,” said John Krafcik, vice president of Strategic Planning and Product Development, Hyundai Motor America. “Add eight airbags and electronic active head restraints and you can see the focus we placed on designing Genesis for occupant safety. These five-star results are just one indication of the dedication Hyundai engineers place on safety.”

Maintaining Hyundai's emphasis on delivering leading safety technology, Genesis boasts world-class active and passive safety features that both prevent accidents and maximize the well-being of its occupants in the event of a collision. The Genesis continues the Hyundai tradition of standardizing key life-saving safety technology, with features such as Electronic Stability Control (ESC), eight airbags and electronic active head restraints.

ESC compares the driver’s intended course with the vehicle’s actual response. It then brakes individual front or rear wheels and/or reduces engine power as needed in certain driving circumstances to help correct understeer or oversteer.

Genesis' eight airbags include advanced dual front airbags, front and rear seat-mounted side-impact airbags, and roof-mounted side curtain airbags for both front and rear outboard seat occupants.

Hyundai is the first popular brand to offer electronic active front head restraints, a standard feature on the 2009 Genesis, which are an improvement over mechanically-based active head restraint systems. Until now, electronic active head restraints could only be found on select Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Lexus models. Active front head restraints have been proven by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety to help prevent whiplash.

Genesis is brought to a halt by large four-wheel anti-lock disc brakes with Brake Assist and Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD). The V6 models feature 12.6-inch front rotors with single-piston floating calipers, while the V8 models feature 13-inch front rotors with four-piston calipers. All models are equipped with 12.4-inch rear rotors.

ksmigel

Karen's husband again (so Karen won't get upset if I say something stupid):

What 'lack of body rigidity are you referring to?'

Thanks.

speedbump47

Thanks. I understand your viewpoint a bit better now.

Being 6'0" and having a high seating position preference, I haven't yet driven something that I couldn't either a) see the trunk at least somewhat or b) guesstimate the trunk position after driving it for a bit.

That, plus the fact that I don't need to valet or parallel park probably makes it so that I would be unaware/unaffected by the difficulties presented by the shape of these vehicles.

pghsteelers412

MSRP: $40,000
Sale price: 39, 500
Cash cap reduction:$4,000
Total out of pocket:$5,601.70
Money factor:0.00080
Term: 24 months
Miles:12,000
Residual % / $: 66.00%, $26, 400
Base monthly payment: $476 includes taxes and everything

What do you all think??

allmet33

To a degree, you have a valid argument, but...with rearward visibility being consistent among various cars (narrow windows, high/short trunks) it would be an argument lost in the wind. Also, folks would demand more trunk space vs. bigger, lower rear windows. Thus, the availability of back-up cameras. Either they can come factory installed with packages for certain trims of various models, or...you can look on-line or go to an automotive store and see if they carry an aftermarket back-up camera unit that's easily installed to increase your rearward visibility. They even sell the back up sensors that can be installed in your rear bumper for a very good price.

6 air bags are great, but not an industry standard...do you think that'll change?

As far as the base Genesis goes...when folks see how much more you get by paying $2K more for the Premium Package, the base model becomes an afterthought.

traderj

NO DEAL! Putiing money down, or "Cap Cost Reduction" as dealers like to call it, flies in the face of leasing. In effect, all you are doing is prepaying part of your lease payments. Just take the $4000- and divide it by 24, then add that to your monthly payment. What you get is your actual monthly payment. No one should ever put money down on a lease. It is simply a marketing ploy, so that dealers can advertise a lower monthly payment, which is what attracts customers. I could advertise a 24 month lease for $5-/mo. Oh yeah, you have to read the small print which says you have to put down $20,000-. When you start negotiating a lease, the very first thing you tell the dealer is "No Money Down". Then let him calculate a monthly payment. Of course I am not referring to your first month's payment, tax tag and titile, which should be paid up front.

allmet33

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...the whole idea of putting money down whether you buy or lease to to lower your monthly payments, isn't it???

If you put the money down, then your monthly payment is lowered, if you don't put the money down, then you make up for that in your monthly payments. It's all a matter of which # the customer is happier with.

tjc78

Bottom line here is the dealer only took $500 off the price of a $40K car. I certainly wouldn't buy the car outright with so little of a discount.....so I would have to say that isn't a great deal. As for putting money down on a lease, if you drive that car off the lot and total it you just lost $4000. Roll that money into the lease and put the cash into an interest bearing account in case you need it. Putting a lot of money down on a lease is not a very smart thing. Just read any of the leasing forums here on Edmunds, you will see this come up often

milan13

Hi All,

I have been looking at this car and have been posting and getting information from you all in this forum. I finally found one that I wanted and at a reasonable price. Though I have to driven 800 miles to take it home!!! Yes, I bought my Genesis in Kansas city and drove back to Detroit - sounds crazy.

Now some info on the Deal I got and the dealer I worked with.

I was looking at the lease option from the beginning unless I get something really good on the sale price which I doubted from the post here where most of the dealers were marking up few thousand dollars above MSRP.

McCarthy Olathe - (Chuck is the sales guy and Wies is the Manager)

MSRP - 35,000
Sale Price - 32,200
Invoice - 32,963 (including $150 advertising fees that Hyundai is recovering from each car sold)
Fees - $300

My impressions on the car after driving 1000 miles in just one day!

Pros: Very comfortable, control on the road is very good even when i was cutting corners at 100mph in the night I never felt unsecured that car will do something wrong, never left the lane, I do not feel any back pain and leg pain after driving for 15 hours in a day, never felt this in my other long trips in the SUV I drive! The acceleration is too good though it is not as quick when you start, Music system is just AWESOME, I haven't heard this clarity even in Acura or Lexus. Smaller tyres and I mean it, I test drove both the 18" wheels and 17" wheels which I bought - the ride is definitely more comfortable with 17", 18" is definitely more firm and passes on more road irregularities to the driver. Also, like others I liked how the 17" look compared to 18".

And now biggest of all - MPG economy
I purposely did something different during my trip to understand the MPG you get from this car, here is my observation:

- If you drive the car with CRUISE ON - the MPG is better, yes it is TRUE. something to do with how the engine is tuned for CRUISE driving probably.
- When I drove below 70 MPG on highway without CRUISE ON - I got around 28.1 MPG
- When I drove below 70 MPG on highway with CRUISE ON - I got around 27.3 MPG
- When I drove on streets I got around 21 MPG (NO CRUISE)
- When I drove above 70 MPG on highway without CRUISE ON - I got around 25.6 MPG
- When I drove above 70 MPG on highway with CRUISE ON - I got around 26.2 MPG

So I think the published MPG of 18 and 27 will hold good if you drive the car below 70 MPG on freeway and streets.

Cons: Nothing that I think of right now - the car is still growing on me. Only thing I wished if I had a back up camera and the passenger seat with 8 way settings for my wife to also feel comfortable on such long drives!

I will be happy to give more details on the deal if anyone wants it.

pjkad

Any issue from lack of break in period, and jumping right into hughway miles?

bman900

milan13,

Congrats on your purchase. Did you notice much of a mileage improvement as you started racking up the miles? I know on a lot of brand new cars, the mileage during the first several hundred miles improves noticably.

Also, approximately what was the price difference between the Premium and the Premium Plus package at that dealer? I think I recall the dealer I went to wanted about $1000 extra for the Premium+ over the Premium.

blnewto

Just curious if any Genesis shoppers have cross-shopped the Pontiac G8? I recently tested the Gen along w/ the new CTS and the G8, and must say the Genesis & G8 were both alot of "bang for the buck". The G8 really accelerates and has nice interior appointments, and is so much more a performer than the CTS (that car IMO is the most over-rated vehicle I've driven lately). The Genesis seems a bit more refined, but also a bit more reserved. I think from a true drivers standpoint the G8 wins, although GM may not even be around in a few years
Both cars have spacious interiors, nice styling and alot of features for the money. Just wondering why the G8 isn't mentioned in any of these threads.

traderj

I think you hit the nail on the head. The reason you haven't seen these cars cross shopped here is because they attract a different audience. The G8 is more of a driver's car and the Genesis is a more relaxed comfort vehicle. The CTS is also not really a good comparison, as that was designed to be a much firmer ride in the mode of BMW. The Genesis would be better compared to the STS, a big vehicle with a softer ride. I have an STS now, and I am now shopping the Genesis.

vlad92

Hi milan13,

If you don't mind, could you post any other financial details of your deal please? I'm up the road in Omaha and would like to use it as a benchmark for my negotiation with the dealers here in town. Worse case, I would have no problem driving to KC if Chuck would give me the same deal. My problem is actually going to be my trade... while I love my Saab 9-3 it's the "depreciation king" so I'm about 3K downside on my loan (versus KBB trade-in). So while posts like yours give me hope on a good deal on the Genesis side, I'm worried on my trade.

Thanks in advance,
Vlad

kenbt

As a non-lesee and all the time purchaser- I know nothing about lesses as well.

But here I am pondering getting a 2009 Genesis "V6 Technology Package" which
you are all aware MSRP's at $40,000.00

And I have at least two dealerships (in the Los Angeles Area) after major negotiations (helps that the manager's are friends of mine at these dealerships)
willing to sell any 2009 Genesis V6 Technology Package for $40,000.00 "OTD"-
and most people say if you can get a car "OTD" for what it MSRP's at- you have
a very good deal. So yes- both of these dealerships are going into their 2% Holdback- Big Time!

But I don't know if I want the V6 or according to the local LA Hyundai Rep- the V8's aren't expected to arrive till late October.

I just wish Hyundai announces that they will treat Genesis buyers differently- since I am spoiled being a Lexus Owner and getting treated overall- Great- if anything breaks or doesn't work- usually replace it if possible- no questions asked.

Ken
San Pedro, CA

traderj

I have the same concerns as you about customer service from the dealer. I have also been spoiled by my current dealer, in my case it is Cadillac. Their service has been great. Always providing loaner cars, calling with progress, friendly, etc. In July, I planned a trip from Miami to western North Carolina. We packed our car, got ready to leave, and then the car wouldn't start. I called the service manager at Cadillac and told him what happened. In 20 minutes he had a tech at my house. They installed a new battery. I got into my car and as I left on vacation I looked at my watch. It was only 30 minutes since I made the call. Now, I know if I get the Hyundai and that happens, I'm screwed. But Since GM doesn't want to lease anymore, I guess I am going to take my chances. I"ll just hope that I have no need for service. I've been to 2 Hyundai dealerships and both are terrible.
Of course, my other concern is the resale value of the Genesis which is why I will only lease. I hope it is a good car and that it holds up over time, but at this point we just don't know. That is why I would only lease this at this time.

kenbt

I know my predicament is not just mine...

One time I had to bring my Lexus in because one of the small buttons on my stereo system would not go in all the way- basically it didn't align evenly with the other buttons. So I told the service rep about it- said they would fix it. They said it might be a day or so- didn't worry since rental car was given. Then about two days later I was called to pick it up. I looked at the warranty receipt when I picked the car up- said malfunctioning button- Ordered New CD Head Unit- I think it was $1K plus- was shocked- so knew Lexus Rocks!

Another time I went in to check my tire pressure on one tire- they checked the tire pressure on all tires- then I saw my car leave- I said what is going on- they said-
sorry- now we have to wash it....:)

It will be hard to see what Hyundai does- they have great reviews on the Genesis- but when you bring it in for service- it is going to a Hyundai dealership- the mass market. Like I said I think basically both of the dealers will make less than a Ben Franklin if that- since besides selling it for $40,000.00 OTD- they are giving me a Full Tank of Gas (since if you are aware because of gas prices- most dealers are only giving $20.00 of Gas), CT- Cargo Tray and WL- Wheel Locks- All PIO.

So if I knew how the customer service will be handled- I would buy now- but even
with this "Extremely Great Deal"- I just wait and see.

milan13

I took ample breaks so to speak of though of small duration. But car started giving good MPG right from the beginning. I will drive more on the interior roads now and see how it impacts the mileage. Other thing is the moment you fill the tank, the MPG goes up.

sthede

So I have 1200 miles on my Genesis V6.

I don't know how you guys are getting the MPG you are showing.

I am reading the average MPG the car is giving me.

I keep resetting it, and checking it after about 100 miles.

I checked it today, I am averaging 17.8 MPG.

I drive 19 miles to work on a highway, with 1 stoplight in between, then I drive 19 miles home with 1 stoplight, same route.

I do not do jack-rabbit starts, and I am not constantly flooring it.

I would say I am drive fairly normal, but of course I goose it here and there, after all, I should be able to enjoy my car yes?

The last time I filled up, I even used 92 octane fuel, just to see if it would help.

Now, here is where I may be being a bad boy, I have to admit, I do cruise to work at an average speed of about 85 miles per hour, with no cruise control.

I am having a hard time believing however, that the extra mph would dent the MPG that much.

Maybe its me, maybe its the gas here in MN, because my Azera got crappy MPG also, about the same, average about 18 MPG, same route.

No way in hell however, I can see getting close to 28 MPG even on a flat road, no wind, and the cruise control on 60. I tried it, best I could see was maybe 24.5 in perfect conditions.

Oh well, thats my experience so far.

traderj

The new EPA mileage estimates are actually very accurate. Their method of calculation changed in 2008. Driving at 85mph will affect the mileage but probably no more than 10%. But, the first 1200 miles is probably not indicative of what you will get in the long run. I have had my Cadillac STS for 2 years and I am getting better mileage now than I was after 1 year, which was better than I was getting when it was new. It even exceeds the EPA ratings. Now, I also live in Florida where the roads are all flat, the weather is nice all year, and we are at sea level. Those things will make your mileage vary too. And, putting premium fuel in your car will do nothing to improve mileage.

lakerunner4h

I have about 2000 miles on my Genesis. We completed an 1087 mile round-trip to our vacation home about 2 weeks ago. Of that 1087 miles, about 900 was highway driving at a relatively constant 75 mph with cruise control. The remainder of the miles were accumulated with around-town driving while at our vacation home. For the trip, I filled up at the beginning, added fuel twice, and filled up again as soon as I got home. The entire trip consumed 37.0 gallons of regular, for a trip average of 29.4 mpg. Not bad -- wonder what this thing will do when it gets broken in?

ricwhite

My Azera (with essentially the same engine as the Genesis V6) gets EXCELLENT gas mileage on the highway. Sometimes I can average above 30 MPG on the highway. City gas mileage, on the other hand, is awful. In regular city traffic, it can hover around 15 MPG. If it drive on non-congested roads, it will get 17-18. Stop and go city traffic can be as low as an horrific 12-13 MPG.

Unfortunately, about 70% of my driving is city and only 30% is highway. The only exception is when I'm on a vacation and mainly travel highway. But usually it's heavy on the city driving. I feel lucky if I can eek out 19-20 MPG on an average week.

The Genesis should get slightly better mileage than the Azera because of the 6 speed auto transmission (versus the 5 speed on the Azera). But the engine/trans set-up greatly favors highway driving and somewhat penalizes city driving. If you drive mostly highway, I think it'll be great. I am really quite impressed with the highway mileage. If you drive mainly city, I think you might be disappointed.

snaglepus

Only 1200 miles on the odometer is not nearly enough to sample your average mpg.
Your brand new engine has not even started to get "loosened" up yet.

At those two (one each way) stoplights, how do you take off from them?
Do you use minimum throttle and force the tranny to up shift early and
Do you use the manual feature and start off from rest in second gear?

Cruising at 85 mph is a real mpg killer. Try 60 mph and see what happens.
It has been said that 85 mph would only be a 10 percent hit.
That is most certainly not so. Probably closer to a 25 percent hit!

Just changing from 60 to 65 mph with our Azera costs me 5 mpg in our well broken in car.

A full tank of premium is supposed to raise the horsepower at least a little on the V8s, but I
don't know if they did the same thing on the V6s. That would indicate to me that on the V8s,
Hyundai has cranked up the timing a little to take advantage of using higher octane.

"I would say I am drive fairly normal, but of course I goose it
here and there, after all, I should be able to enjoy my car yes?"

But of course, but every time you do so, you are indeed wasting fuel!
Does the Genesis have a constant mpg read out on its computer? The Azera does not.

You say at an average speed of close to 85 mph. That would indicate
to me that on occasion, you are exceeding 85 mph at times?

"Maybe it's me, maybe it's the gas here in MN, because my Azera got crappy MPG also, about the same, average about 18 MPG, same route."

It is indeed you :surprise: because I do know what your Azera should get based on our Azera.
It is not MN gasoline.

Do you warm the car up at all before you leave home or work?
Or do you start it up and immediately drop it in gear and proceed slowly?
At a dead stop, how many mpg are you getting?

"No way in hell however, I can see getting close to 28 MPG even on a flat road, no wind,
and the cruise control on 60. I tried it, best I could see was maybe 24.5 in perfect conditions."

No. Not yet account of no miles to speak of on your Genesis,
but you will see improvement as it does accumulate miles.

Tire pressures are? The higher the better for fuel economy.
Are those Dunlops tire of the low rolling resistance type?

As a side note, my last tank mileage on our Azera for 525 miles
using 19.3 gallons of Costco regular was over 27 mpg.
No light was on yet. I regularly do this.
This last mileage test included several cold starts, a little local
stop and go driving, but mostly Interstate at a set 60 mph.
I used the A/C as needed also.

If you are willing to drive at 60 mph and allow almost everyone
to pass you, your mileage will improve big time.

Your car can and will beat your Azera I am sure. Why?
Because of the higher gearing overall when in sixth speed and the
slightly narrower tires if you don't have the option 18 inch wheels?
Compare your rpms at 60 mph between the Azera and the Genesis.
Isn't the Genesis turning fewer rpms at 60 mph? How much BTW?

Driving at 60 mph instead of 85 mph will only cost you less than six minutes travel time.
And perhaps save you a costly speeding ticket also?

I hope I haven't left anything out? :confuse:

Hang in there and modify your driving habits just a little and
you will see improvement in your miles per gallon readings!

skylab

Went down to a local (Boston-area) Hyundai dealer and drove a Genesis V6 today. Very impressive. Less impressive that they were trying to mark it up $1,700 over sticker, but the salesman at least had the grace to look embarrassed. He said they were selling like crazy to the local Korean community -- pride in a national flagship I guess -- and, indeed, when we returned from the test drive there was an Asian guy there waiting impatiently to take possession of the demo model, the only one they had in stock today. Didn't even want to drive it. Salesman gave me an "I told you so" look and quietly mentioned that one of their buyers the week before had strolled in with $37,000 in cash in a tote bag. So there's definitely some enthusiasm out there! :shades:

snaglepus

There is certainly no shortage in your area.

Autotrader list 56 units within one hundred miles of zip 02111

Your dealer is Clay Chev.? :surprise:

The three they show in stock are all $1797 over.

skylab

I'm not in the market for one right now. Just wanted to go and see what all the fuss was about. I'll certainly consider it next year when my wife needs a new car, though. A couple of thousand off sticker by then, I imagine, and that will be a fairly compelling value proposition.

koury

What dealer did you visit?

deeezldoc

I purchased my Premium Plug Pkg Genesis for under $33K-the MSRP was $36K.
There are several dealers in LA and Sacramento area that quoted me a lot less than the $40K that your dealer told you. Check Roseville Hyundai in Sacramento area for a good selection and good price. I live in Phoenix, AZ area and I almost drove over to California due to the excellent prices but found a local dealer (finally) who would play ball and gave me a deal. Good Luck.

tenpin288

I just received the Oct 08 Motor Trend and in there is a test of the Genesis 4.6 and it is tested against a Chrysler 300C, a Lexus GS 460, and a Mercedes E550. It is a very interesting read in that it outdoes or compares very favorably in all the test categories. Perhaps most telling is the closing statement to the entire article.

...Is the Genesis a knockoff? Absolutely. A knockout? More of a jarring right-left combination that'll leave Lexus a bit dazed, shuffling a step or two back, and realizing that Hyundai deserves its full attention and respect. After all, what's Lexus to do when Hyundai actually builds a luxury sedan that doesn't cost half as much?

kenbt

Deeezldoc,

Thanks for the information but my deal of $40,000.00 (OTD- Out The Door) for a
2009 Genesis 3.8L V6 w/ Technology Package is extremely good- since the car
MSRP's at $40,000.00- Two dealers will sell this car at this agreed upon price.

Also I did contact Chris Shaffer- President of Roseville- California's Largest Hyundai dealer- and he stated as follows-that he does not have give a way a car will prove that- so he basically said No.

So reading your comment you are looking at one of the lessor equipped Genesis.

priggly

A Lexus LS460 at half the price! Who wouldn't go for that?!

And without the uppity Lexus attitude to boot!

backy

Interestingly, C/D also has a test of the 4.6 Genesis in its October issue. They are generally complimentary but make it very clear where they stand: they don't think the Genesis is a "sports sedan" in any way, shape, or form. They take Hyundai to task for suggesting (in marketing literature for example) that the Genesis should be considered a sports sedan. They point out deficiencies in ride and handling, among other things.

Personally I had the Genesis pegged as a luxury sedan from Day One, and I think it delivers on that score exceptionally well.

priggly

Insofar as C&D is concerned, anything that is not Mercedes or BMW is not a sports sedan. I'd take their "opinion" with a very large grain of salt.

The Genesis is a fantastic sedan by any measure and combines the best attributes of both a sports sedan and a luxury sedan. There is really nothing on the market quite like it, especially for the price.

traderj

I just went to my 3rd Hyundai dealership in South Florida and the experience just keeps getting worse and worse. I have a Cadillac STS and my lease is ending. I am willing to give the Genesis a try, however, I will give it one more shot and then I am walking away. The salesmen, are rude, insulting, moronic idiots who have no understanding of their products or how to treat a customer. And, they certainly don't understand leasing. When they give you wrong information and you question them, they get insulted and then start insulting you. Please, please, please, if someone has had a good experience with any Hyundai dealer in the state of Florida, tell me which one.
As far as this being a sports sedan, who are you kidding? This is a quiet solid car made for those of us 50 and over. There is nothing sport sedanish (new word) about this. Neither the cockpit nor the drive was designed for that. It is a good substutute for the STS. But, honestly, I don't understand the appeal to younger people who are looking for a "driver's car".

goodmove

if someone has had a good experience with any Hyundai dealer in the state of Florida, tell me which one.

Every dealer has knowledgeable and courteous people, although they might be hard to find. But to save you some time, if I had to do lease my Genesis all over again, I would contact Anthony Morris a manager at Coconut Creek Hyundai, I would ask him to assign Edeline as the sales person and I would make sure I do not get the "new" finance guy to write up the lease. I have posted before that the new finance guy there tried to scam me out of $399 for GAP insurance, which I later learned on this board that it is included in HMFC leases. When Anthony found out, he rewrote the lease and refunded me the $399.

Rick Case Hyundai on 441 has a fantastic and knowledgeable Jamaican salesman named Ken. I did not buy there because they did not have the color I was looking for and I want to see what I am getting before I pay for it. I do not like dealer trades.

If you don't mind tinted windows on your Genesis, Rick Case in Davie might be OK. Jose is a great salesman. Just make sure you do not buy your iPod cable there, as they mark it up by $5.00 . Can they think of a better way to lose a customer?

tom17

Just make sure you do not buy your iPod cable there, as they mark it up by $5.00

I am sorry, but after buying a $40,000 car I would not be worried about an extra $5 profit on the cable. Many of the dealers are marking the cars up $1700. I would rather pay a $5 markup on a cable than a $1700 markup on a car !!!

beseto

URL: http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/

Description: Hyundai engineers looked closely at every detail when building the 2009 Genesis sedan. Now it's your turn. Go ahead, kick the tires.

rjwrde

As others have said, I never thought I'd drive a Hyundai, but after doing some research, I'm pretty impressed with the gains they appear to have made over the last few years. I shop for value, not brand name and the Genesis looks like a good value. I'm very close to making the decision to purchase/lease but, like many here, am concerned about the level of service that Hyundai dealers can or will provide for buyers in this price range. I currently drive an Acura TL and so far there is no comparison with the dealer experience. When I questioned the salesman about loaner cars or warranty claims he just kinda looked at me with a funny expression on his face. Has anyone had any warranty issues yet and if so how is it working out? I'm not looking for a new best friend but I do expect to see knowledgeable and prompt service when I drive this level of vehicle.

I'm looking at the 3.8 with the tech package and like some others have posted, it is disappointing how little knowledge the dealers have of this car. I'm hopeful that others on this forum who own the car can answer a few simple questions.

When I test drove the vehicle the other day, I attempted to test the smart cruise control. Unless it activates at less than about 25 feet, the car I drove did not have smart cruise. Does anyone know if there is a switch or setting that has to be activated before it works? Also, given that we all have different comfort levels with distances to follow someone, can the distance it will maintain behind a car be adjusted?

Does anyone know what happened to the 30 (or 40) gigabyte harddrive that was mentioned in a few reviews and in the early promotional brochure from Hyundai? As far as I can tell they left this option on the factory shelf.(Probably will be available on next years version.)

Does the audio system have speed sensitive volume? If so, how effective are you finding it?

Is it just me or does the model with the tech package have a stiffer ride than the 3.8 with Premium package only? I found that I was hearing/feeling every crack in the road much more with the tech pac than on the one without it. It was on different days and different roads so could just be my memory.

If anyone from Ontario is on this site and willing to exchange info on the deal they were able to negotiate I'd appreciate it.

Thanks
RW