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Thanks for your input tom17...
I suggest Rick Case look at it the following way, changing your words a bit:
"I am sorry, but after SELLING a $40,000 car I would not be worried about an extra $5 profit on the cable." What an opportunity to spread good word of mouth they are missing.
Rick And Rita Case not only want $5 above the 29.95 MSRP on the cable. They want $700 for a window tint they force you to buy, on top of their market adjustment, that was either 1495 or 1995 when I bought my car a month ago (elsewhere).
I have bought 4 Hondas from their sister store next store, Rick Case Honda, and when I go to the parts counter, I present my Rick Case Rewards card and get a discount. I get my car washed for free anytime I want and I get discounted gasoline, That card is not honored at the Hyundai store. They treat me well when I want a Honda. Why not treat me well when I "try" to buy a Hyundai? Do they think people's IQ drop when they walk into a Hyundai store?
I am blessed that 5 bucks is not a big deal to me, I am glad you are fortunate and 5 bucks is not a big deal to you either tom17, but it is the principle.
The point here is that I consider the Genesis to be one of the best values out there in the Luxury Sedan market, and it would be a real shame for people not to indulge in such a great car, because of a few short sighted dealers out there.
I have driven over 2,400 miles in my first month and enjoyed every single mile as the best car overall I have driven. During my 10 (1994- 2004) years as a wholesaler in the car business, I have driven for extended periods (at least a week) , over 300 used luxury cars, including MB, BMW, Audi, Infinity, Lexus, Acura, Jaguar and even a Rolls Royce and the Genesis rates at least 95% as good as most of those cars. When you factor in price and leave out "prestige", the Genesis looks pretty good.
By the way, if 5 bucks is not a big deal to you, I suggest you send that amount to your favorite charity. And if Rick or Rita are reading this, I am aware you guys contribute heavily to charities, send the 5 bucks you overcharge on each iPod cable to charity. I'll buy a Honda from you, but for now, no Hyundais in Davie.
SUMMARY: The Genesis accomplishes a lot with a little. There are some hiccups, but for those looking for an entry luxury car, this is it. Rear wheel drive, luxe interior, powerful engine, good looks. It’s all there.
I have a V6 with tech package. So far I have not taken it back for any warranty work. I may have a problem that needs to be fixed but it may be something I did. Twice now when I filled the gas tank the GPS lost the information I had entered into it. I have not figured out for sure if this is something I did or if there is a glitch. I know of two others here in Florida that have had the same problem.
It does not have smart cruise control.
The 30 or 40 gig hard drive does not exist. You can not burn a CD. Yes, I was disappointed too.
I don't know if the tech pack has a stiffer ride. I find my ride quite comfortable. We don't have pot holes in south Florida.
To the best of my knowledge it does not have speed sensitive volume control. The car is exceptionally quiet inside at all speeds. You can be fooled into thinking you are moving much slower than you are because you don't hear the wind rush and the transmissions shifts extremely smoothly.
Yes, some of the sales people don't know a lot about the car. I knew more about the car than every sales person I talked to. Even one who had been to the classes for the car did not know as much as I did.
How much do those V8 AMGs and Ms go for again?
the one without it. It was on different days and different roads so could just be my memory."
No. It is not your imagination. The tech package equipped car would indeed have a stiffer ride. :surprise:
Doesn't the model with the Premium package have Dunlop 225/55-17 tires?
The tech package includes 235/50R18 tires doesn't it?
If the tires pressures are properly set at the recommended PSI for both different sized tires,
the car with the lower profile tires (the 235/50-R18 tire) will indeed ride a little bit harder.
Also, perhaps the tech equipped car you test-drove had not had its tires adjusted properly to
the recommended pressures and had too much air in its tires, making it ride even stiffer?
All Hyundais are shipped with way higher than recommended tire pressures.
If you are really surious about discovering which profile tires you want, take your own
trusty tire gauge along and adjust the psi of each set before you compare the rides.
HTHs
Delfin
P.S. Apparently I don't know as much as the brochure. The tech package does in fact have speed sensing volume control. I never even heard of such a thing until you mentioned it. It comes on all but the base model.
The GPS issue you experienced has hapened to other Genesis owners; see here:
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=477
The 30 or 40 gig hard drive does exist, but that memory is used for the tech system (not to burn CDs):
http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=360&highlight=ha- rd
Yes, it does not have speed sensitive volume control but each component has its own separate volume controls (e.g. the phone, a CD, XM, etc..).
Apparently it does have speed sensing volume control see my P.S. above.
Ok, it does have a hard drive. I was under the impression that RW wanted to copy a disk to it. I guess I wasn't clear.
I have not found a control to make the parking sensors louder if it exists. I have to turn the volume down on the radio to hear the parking sensors. Minor inconvenience considering it is absolutely the best car I have ever owned and I've had more than a few. Sure there are a few things I wish the car had but I have never had so many things on a car at any price. I have had a BMW 740iL and presently own a BMW 850ci. The Genesis is the only one that is truly a luxury car. Less than half the price of an 850 but of course it doesn't have twelve cylinders.
I actually take your highlighted quote as a good thing. I'd prefer the ride of the Genesis as the most balanced, not too firm like the 5 Series, and not too soft like the STS.
While the 550i/E550 goes faster than Genesis V8 from 0-60; the Genesis checks in with better cornering number (.94G) and much shorter braking distance (162 ft.).
I really don't think that Hyundai had the 5 series in mind as a target when they came up with the Genesis. The Lexus GS is fairly close but seems much smaller, especially the interior. The Genesis is what it is. A really nice luxury car at a terrific price point.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Most non luxury dealerships such as Hyundai,Honda,Nissan,Toyota etc...
Sales reps job is to show vehicles,write up deals,hand over keys and go over with
the car after transaction is done. Generally, these reps have very little knowledge
of Lease numbers or have any authority to negotiate numbers.
In 2008, we have all kinds of info on internet for any specific car. It's not difficult
to get all the facts,including invoices,specifications,reviews etc... before walking
in the showroom! Only information I'd ask will be upcoming inventory or any new
updates including color,V8 models etc...
Another suggestion: If you have important questions, ask for Sales Manager. He
should have more information than typical sales reps. Same thing in Service
Department, if you are not satisfied,ask for Service Manager. I'd hope that any
larger dealerships would have qualified Sales Manager and Service Manager on
duty during business hours.
As far as Genesis is concerned, I think it offers luxury,performance,good looks,
enough sportiness at a very reasonable MSRP. Only time will tell how successful
it will be in US.
Thanks for the response, you were correct, I was thinking the hard drive would be available for use as a music storage system similar to the Infiniti/ Nissan Maxima unit. I'm surprised that the tech package would need that much storage but whatever, I'm happy enough with a six pack CD it just seemed odd that I hadn't read about the hard drive except in a few early reviews.
I'm surprised that there is no smart cruise control because I have been told by two sales people that it is included and read several reports that make mention of it.
Viking 967
Thanks for the comments about the tire size and pressures. You make a good point about them shipping with over-inflated tires. I will do exactly as you suggested and check the tire pressures before my next test drive. I would guess that the TP on the last test drive was way to high because that is exactly what it sounded and felt like. Every little ripple in the road was being transmitted to the steering wheel.
I'm confused by your comment that the car doesn't have speed sensitive volume but does have separate volume control for each function. That would seem like the worst of all possible scenarios. I can see the blue tooth phone volume being set separately because each phone may be different than the next - Hyundai wouldn't have control of that, but they can and should be making sure that when you change to a new source that it comes in at the same volume as whatever you were just listening to. You may want to adjust the volume but I don't need to be surprised by a sudden increase in volume just because I changed from CD to XM or vice versa.
Regarding the glitch with the loss of stored GPS information, that sounds like an issue that Hyundai should be addressing. It seems that the car resets some info -such as the distance to empty - when you fill up, so there is some coding in the firmware that tells it to reset things. I can't think of any reason that it should dump the GPS info.
sounded and felt like. Every little ripple in the road was being transmitted to the steering wheel."
I had made that post.
Please report back if and when you do test both vehicles again with their respective different sized wheel/tire combinations and corrected tire pressures verified as being what is posted in the door jam, if you can
tell the differences between the rides qualities with the 50 series tires on the 18 inch wheels
and the 55 series tires on the 17 inch wheels.
It is too bad that one cannot get the higher tech packages with the 17 inch wheels
and 55 series tires with a higher speed rating than the H rated Dunlops .
I'm am relatively sure that when equipped with the Dunlop 225/55-17 H rated tires,
the vehicle will be speed-limited ala the computer to less than 130 mph (208 KPH.) :surprise:
Perhaps if the ride is identical or nearly so, you'll simply opt for the tech package as is comes.
You don't want to be limited to only a little over 200 KPH now do you?
HTHs
Delfin
aka Snaglepus
Please report back if and when you do test both vehicles again with their respective different sized wheel/tire combinations and corrected tire pressures verified as being what is posted in the door jam, if you can
tell the differences between the rides qualities with the 50 series tires on the 18 inch wheels
and the 55 series tires on the 17 inch wheels.
Snaglepus:
Sorry for the mis-crediting the comment. I will report back once I've had a chance to do the tests. It may take a few days since the only dealer that has both vehicles available is the furthest away from me. As for not wanting to be limited to less than 200 KPH, that's not a limit I will be testing anytime soon. I fly jets for a living so I can get all my speed thrills while I'm at work.
I'm still really puzzled about the smart cruise control not being available. I was given to understand that it was in the Premium package and the Tech package as well. I don't know how good the brochures are in the US but here in Canada the information package the dealer has available is a single 8"x17" page folded into three sections. It lists most of the features but does not tell you which features are included in which trim level. All things considered it's the worst piece of marketing material I've seen in a very long time.
anytime soon. I fly jets for a living so I can get all my speed thrills while I'm at work."
Likewise for many really smart individuals.
I once touched 150 mph in my '85 'Vette back then and I thought I was flying low, but immediately
slowed when I realized what could happen at that speed and how many feet per second
I was covering. At more than 200 ft/sec, things can quickly get crazy.
"I'm still really puzzled about the smart cruise control not being available."
That does seem strange to say the least!
One would think that in this car, that feature would at least be an option. :confuse:
"I don't know how good the brochures are in the US but here in Canada the information package
the dealer has available is a single 8"x17" page folded into three sections. It lists most of
the features but does not tell you which features are included in which trim level.
All things considered it's the worst piece of marketing material I've seen in a very long time."
Things are no different down South either. Somehow, Hyundai seems to miss the boat in so many ways.
I guess they are simply trying much too hard to cut corners and not spend any more than
is absolutely necessary. There are many examples of that almost everywhere you look.
One example was the one size smaller tire when compared to the Azera as mentioned earlier.
How much more would it cost to mount 235s instead of the 225s they are using on the Genesis?
Tirerack lists the standard 225/55-17 Dunlop tire at $166 each.
Go to a 235/55-17 Dunlop that has the same speed rating (H) and that tire is only $113, a $55 saving
per wheel for a slightly wider tire with the same speed rating and it is a better longer wearing tire!
In this case, Hyundai would have saved money and so would the customer. Of course, Hyundai does
not pay Tirerack prices for their tires which I am sure they buy by the boxcar load for much less.
My point is, in many instances, someone is not really thinking wouldn't you say?
Delfin
aka Snaglepus
I guess they are simply trying much too hard to cut corners and not spend any more than
is absolutely necessary. There are many examples of that almost everywhere you look.
I guess my concern is that there is a fair bit of confusing information out there right now. When I went back and looked through some of the reviews, I couldn't find any that make reference to the smart cruise control, so I realize now that I got the idea from the sales people I've been dealing with. I've been to three different dealers and all of them have indicated that the smart cruise control is part of the tech package. The funny thing is, I'm not even sure that I would want smart cruise control, but now that it appears to not even be available, despite their saying that it is, I need to start going over the car item by item to verify what is actually included. Since the brochure is virtually useless, it is difficult to keep track of what's what.
My point is, in many instances, someone is not really thinking wouldn't you say?
I'm beginning to think that Hyundai has missed the mark with their sales training and information packages for sure. I'm a self admitted gadget guy, so it is disappointing to be led to believe that there are features on the car that turn out to not be there. I guess because the car is so new, they were still working out the final package while they were letting the reviewers test it out. That's where I got the idea that there was a 40 gig hard drive that you could rip music too from CD's - with the lexicon sound system, that would be a great feature. Like a kid in a candy store, don't tell me I can have something and then take it away from me at the check out counter.
RW
It never was said whether it was a cost issue or if it was that they didn't feel the their tech was ready on that system. For all we know, it could simply be that HMA wanted to have something to add next year.
The big problem is that HMA really isn't doing that much training on any of their products, and most dealership management doesn't take the time to make sure that their people actually know anything about their product.
If you want to speak with someone at the dealership that knows something abou this car, ask for the sales manager or the internet manager. Surely one of these two people will know enough to carry on a conversation.
The problem is that it appears there are differences between the specs on the US car versus the Canadian model. For example, I've seen three V6 cars all with the Premium package and one with the tech pac. None of these cars had the leather on the dash. Don't know if the V8 model will have that available here or not.
While looking at the US brochure though, I noticed one more feature - that the sales people here have been talking up - missing. Don't know if this is another "piece of candy" that got taken away or not but what I'm referring to is the automatic electronic park brake. I was told (by a Sales Manager, and a sales person at a second dealership) that the tech package includes a function that allows you to not have to keep your foot on the brake in stop and go traffic. Once you've stopped, you can take your foot off the brake and the brakes will stay engaged til you press on the gas. When I got to drive the tech package car, the sales person there didn't know what I was talking about. Does anyone out there that owns a Genesis know anything about this feature? I have a feeling this went away the same as the smart cruise control. I've seen pictures in some of the reviews that show a button down below the Parking sensor switch, so it was there at one point. Since there is no mention of this in the brochure I'm guessing that it has gone away.
I guess this one problem with the Internet, we get to do all our own research, but sometimes we get the early info that turns out to be wrong. On the other hand this missing feature (?) :confuse: was being touted by the Sales Manager so how do you find out what's true and what's not. That's why I'm asking here - hopefully the people that own the car will be able to clarify things.
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm still pretty impressed with the car and will quite likely be negotiating on one by the end of the week - I'm just frustrated by the confusion and disappointed that several of the bells and whistles seem to have been left on a shelf somewhere in Korea.
RW
I think the sales people are putting you on. I certainly don't have a feature that allows you to take your foot off the brake after you have stopped and keep you stopped until you put your foot on the gas. Also, I don't see any button below the parking sensor on my car or in the brochure.
I've never heard of this feature. Is this actually available on some other car?
I have the tech package. It has leather on the dash.
I think the sales people are putting you on. I certainly don't have a feature that allows you to take your foot off the brake after you have stopped and keep you stopped until you put your foot on the gas. Also, I don't see any button below the parking sensor on my car or in the brochure.
I'm afraid you may be right although I got the same story from two different dealers. One was the Sales Manager going on at great length about the features on the tech package that he claims to have sold their first one to the first customer he showed it too. The second was a sales woman who brought the automatic brake system up as a feature. Both were unprompted and seemed pretty definite. I don't know if this feature is available on other makes or not - it was new to me too.
Unfortunately, so far I've struck out on every feature that I've had a question about. Like I said earlier, there seems to be a huge amount of information floating around on both the web and the sales rooms that is turning out to be inaccurate or based on early concepts. Obviously, I am only asking questions about the things that I'm unable to verify by other means and there are still a lot of good features on the car that are accurately portrayed.
I found a picture of the auto-brake button but can't seem to copy it into a post. It is from more than a year ago but I've seen the same button in a photo in another review that I can't find again.
RW
Thanks for the clarification on your thoughts. Initially you subject was titled, "more balanced reviews are coming out...", and I may have interpret it incorrectly as if earlier reviews were balanced, enough...
The electric parking brake is one that engages when you put the car in park. There is no need to pull a lever, press a button, or mash a pedal. The brake is set simply by putting the car in park.
Just an observation, but there seems to be a really wide gap in the perception of this car. On one end, I saw a post here that claims that the 2009 Max is a more luxurious car than the Genesis (which I strongly and respectfully disagree with), and then on another end I have seen posts from current/previous lux brand owners that put the Genesis right in the same league as those cars. Matter of fact, the first Genesis that my store sold was to an E-class owner that said he thought that the Genesis was nicer. Does anyone have some thoughts as to the rather huge divide seen here?
Oh yes, on another note. And I'm sure this is a no brainer to most. Sold a second Genesis last week and took a 300C on trade. If anyone has sat inside of these two vehicles within any kind of close time frame, I sure think it is miles nicer inside of the Genesis. I was forgetting how nice the Genesis really is at $35k-$36k!! I am a little unsure as to how any of these auto mag comparos can throw the 300C into the mix and have it hold any kind of a chance. Just too much plastic and cheap leather.
My parking brake does not automatically engage or disengage when putting it in park or taking it out of park. The brake peddle is marked, "push-on-off".
When I test drove the Genesis about a month ago, the salesman had not been to any training. He had a cheat sheet he carried with him with the different options included with each package. That was about the extent of his knowledge. At the time my local dealer had none (Florida), but I was on vacation in Scottsdale Arizona and did the test drive there. I dont know if it was the 110 degree heat or the extremely low fuel level (warning light was on), but the car was very underpowered even compared to my Cadillac DTS rental.
I have test driven the 09 Maxima (in Florida) and although I would not say it is as roomy or luxurious as the Genesis, I definitely prefer it performance wise. No comparison in my mind.
I own an 08 Lexus GS350 and prefer the human interface of the Nav (touch screen) and the general layout of the dash. I also definitely prefer the performance of the GS. I will admit that the Genesis is a larger car much closer to the size of the LS.
I went to the initial coming out party for the 300C many years ago. The car did absolutely nothing for me as far as the interior & exterior design is concerned. Have not ever driven the 300C (almost rented one time but our luggage would not fit in the trunk - rented a DTS instead), but have driven the similar Dodge Charger RT. Performance wise I would have no trouble owning a Charger RT. My only problem would be the very low MPG. The interior / exterior design of the Charger is better than the 300C but no where near any of the foreign cars.
My local dealer now has 13 Genesis. When the V8 and pearl white color finally hit the lot I will go and try it again.
Also, folks need to realize...benchmarking doesn't mean they make an exact duplicate of whatever is being "benchmarked". It means they study it and find what qualities it has to make it what it is and they bring their own interpretation to the table. In that right, Hyundai has succeeded (in my opinion).
Again, where has it ever been stated that the Genesis sedan would be a luxury sport sedan???
Uhm, how about on the Hyundai Genesis website?
http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/#/performance/
However, to say it demonstrates better cornering (wet or dry) than a BMW 550i...that's a mouthful!!!
The article also noted that there is a suspension issue for the spring rates and damping over other than smooth roads. For me, that is where 80% of my driving takes place
The Genesis "specilast" at my dealer went to a 2-3 day "school" where they drove other cars and got briefed on the Genesis. He seemed pretty knowledgeable.
the brochure's first page refers to the Genesis as a "luxury sports sedan." However, I think most reviewers will say it is a luxury sedan as C&D did.
Richard:
I'm glad to hear that you checked the manual, I agree that if there was anything like this it would (should) be in the owner's manual. I spoke with one of the sales people I've been dealing with (her sales manager is on vacation this week so couldn't talk with him) and asked her about this feature. She referred to it as "parking assist" today which is different than what had been described to me earlier.
The term "Parking Assist" is consistent with the idea of an electronic system that would automatically engage the park brake when you put the car in park. Having a foot pedal - which I know the car has - as well would allow for setting the parking brake manually whenever you decide to do so. The idea of an automatic parking brake being set whenever the car is in "Park" seems like a pretty good idea. I know that I've stretched the bands in a few automatics before realizing the importance of engaging the parking brake to take the load off the transmission when you park your car on a slightly inclined driveway night after night for several years. I'm pretty religious about using my PB now but that's what 40 years of driving gets you.
My sales person has promised to look into this -as well as a few of the other missing toys - I'm kinda using this as a test of the effort she's willing to put into the deal- I'll post a message if she comes up with any worthwhile info.
RW
"Parking Assist" on Lexus is a system of electronic sensors (both front and rear) that alert the driver when the car is close to making contact with something (another car or wall). It has a graphic display indicating the portion of the car that is close and even indicates which direction to turn the steering wheel to avoid collision. I have heard that the Genesis offers such a system implemented with beeps.
It has nothing to do with an automatic parking brake (at least on Lexus).
Can a Genesis Tech Package owner verify if their car can automatically engage the parking brake?
If you set the parking brake it will not disengage by putting it in drive.
Is the Genesis a 'Premium Sports Sedan'? Whatever.
He also confirmed that nothing changed for Sept lease programs.
car from my home country. Personally I used to live in a few other countries
but now I'm living in Seoul. I test drove a genesis before, just to check how
nice it was (I couldn't buy one since I'm not a rich guy, and the genesis v6s 3.3,3.8 would cost you something around $50-75k OTD on purchase, and the gas prices are $7/gal), and what I felt was that, I do agree with a lot of people in this forum that this is a car Hyundai should be proud of. I'll check this forum out from time to time to know whether this car could hold up with the BIG market. For those who
own one I do envy you, and enjoy your ride!