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It was back in early August. My local dealer (Florida) had yet to get their fist car. I was on vacation in Scottsdale, Arizona. Went into the dealer (supposed to be the biggest Hyundai dealer in Arizona) and they had 4 Genesis (all Premium or Premium Plus). I test drove the one the sales manager had just driven onto the lot. It was 110 degrees out and the low fuel light was on. I drive an 08 Lexus GS350 at home and had a Cadillac DTS rental. I don't know if it was due to the heat or the low fuel, but let me tell you the car I drove was anything but fast. Even the DTS felt peppier than the Genesis. Most cars today are tuned where you only need a small amount of throttle to make the car scoot from a standing start. Well the Gensis is not tuned like that. It felt quite lethargic off the line. At one point the salesman told me to put my foot into it (I already was). When I test drove the 09 Maxima the salesman told me to slow down and keep the RPMs under 4000 - I was already using MUCH less throttle in the Maxima. The other negative was the steering felt VERY heavy. I was really surprised. Much heavier than any other car I can remember. I will admit the sound isolation is first rate. I was also not impressed with the Lexicon audio. Definitely does not compare to the Mark Levinson on the Lexus. I will try again at my local dealer when they get the V8. I will try both the V6 and V8 back to back. I had really hoped I would be happy with the car because the price is VERY attractive ($42K for loaded V8).
Oct. Car and Driver had a review of the Genesis and they had complaints about the ride. I also questioned it in the two that I drove.
My dealer was Paramus Hyundai in Paramus,NJ.
Here are some of my thoughts (mostly subjective);
- The V8 steering is even more composed than that of the V6.
- The V8 is definitely stiffer that V6, which in my opinion translates ; if one thinks that the V6 is too bouncy one could consider waiting for the V8.
- The V8 added power was evident even at those limited speed.
- At 4000+ rpm the V8 emitted a rather pleasing exhaust note, while the V6 you heard the engine (Strange as it may be... the V8 exhaust note reminded me of my old cars, a Euro spec 92 Supra twin turbo minus the whining).
- The suspension was simply superb, nicely balanced and evened out most if not all of the city bumpy roads.
I not sure because these event cars are better tuned or what? but the suspension on the V6 I drove there was better balanced than the one I drove at the Dealership!! (tire pressure? More miles on these cars? I Don’t know!).
Personally I feel it was definitely worth waiting for the V8 (especially fuel efficiently does not play a large factor due to my limit daily commute)
Other notes;
- This time I had a USB full of varied 384k encoded (high quality) music, Pop, Jazz, classical etc.. the playback was simply excellent to say least, the Equalizer functions were first rate.
- The leather is much better on the V8 than the V6 (to quote the Mrs. “It is not like the 2008 BMW 530i, but at a price difference of 17.5k I am....”
- The Driver seat cooling works nicely and I think will be a very useful feature around here...
Additional unofficial notes;
* The V8 is on target to be delivered to dealers around the first week of October.
* The allocation numbers will be dealer dependant.
* The least deal is ‘most likely’ extended well into October.
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Thanks!
Hi pjkad,
Indeed they do appear to be transferable because they are not named, on the back it has some info for dealer to fillout during the purchance/lease process, However there is a time limit, mine has 12/31/08.
I don't believe so, there is a coupon number and they cannot be a copy.
When I was there they just pulled one out for me when I completed the V8 test drive. They even gave the Mrs. another one when I drove the V6 the second time around...
I do hope you are not paying too much for it... one addtional note; the coupon number should not be more than a 4 digit number and NOT a paper thin copy..
I drive 80-85 miles an hour, have approx. 1300 miles on my gen v6, and my display is telling me an average of 19 mpg!!!
ARG!!! What is wrong with my car!!!
I wonder if it's the ethanol they put in the gas around here...
VeraGen
Can you please be more specific about the "suspension issues" you mention, such as what the issues are exactly and maybe some links to those complaints? Are they actually "issues" or are they complaints about soft or hard rides? Are they possibly complaints because the suspension tuning isn't what they expected or are there actual design deficiencies? General comments without specifics does not tell us what the problems actually are. Please help clear up the picture.
Thanks for the hyperlink.
The most impressive thing I got out of it was the fact the engine only turns 2150 RPM at 80 MPH. Far cry from Infiniti G35/M35 that turn 3400 RPM at 80. That is why the MPG is 30 on the highway !!!
ARG!!! What is wrong with my car!!!
You don't think, quite possibly...the fact that you're driving at 80-85 mph has anything to do with it...do you??? :confuse:
The ethanol doesn't help, but the lead foot helps even less.
Unless...you're doing 80-85 downhill, with a stiff wind behind you and you've taken your foot off the gas pedal...then just maybe you'll briefly see that type of FE. LOL
Evidently you don't frequent the Accord Real-World MPG thread.
I wonder if some folks' expectations are shaped by the fact that the Genesis is a Hyundai (i.e., economy brand) rather than the fact that it's a two-ton car with 290 bhp.
Hyundai really only has 3 models that are touted for fuel economy...Accent, Elantra and Sonata. Folks cry about the FE with the Azera, but don't realize it's not worse than that on the Maxima and only slightly worse than that of the Avalon. The Genesis on the other hand it actually enjoying some of the best numbers for a car of it's stature in both V-6 & V-8 models.
FWIW on a recent road trip (south jersey to Newark airport) my '06 Avalon got 30.5 at a solid 74 MPH for 75 miles or so. On the way home I was little heavier footed 80 - 85 and it dropped to 29.3. This was under ideal conditions (a/c on) with light traffic and I had just filled up 1/2 mile from the highway resetting the AVG MPG indicator. So it is possible under certain conditions. Of course now with putting around the city all weekend and driving to the office this morning average is already down to 25.3.
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From my understanding...the cylinder deactivation doesn't work above 65 or 70 mph on any of the vehicles with the Hemi and has nothing to do with ethanol. A couple of buddies I have that own cars with Hemi's complained about that and feel they were duped. They said if they knew that, they wouldn't have bought it because that was one of the features they liked.
If my understanding is correct, it's all based on RPM's and to maintain speeds of 75 mph on up requires higher RPM's which is too high for the cylinder deactivation to take place. Don't quote me cause I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that to be the case.
I was considering this car but now Im not so sure.
I still contend that it's nearly impossible to see FE #'s above 30 mpg in a large sedan with a V-6 pumping out a minimum of 260 hp while cruising at 80-85 mph. That FE rating would be more believable if the car were a Prius, Civic, Elantra or something along those lines.
Now THAT...is a very realistic posting. I would have to say you do better than I do. My driving is about 80% city as well and my average is just under 16 mpg. However, like you, on the highway I can easily see anywhere between 25-28 mpg (lots of up/down in my area).
Hyundai Motor Company says that its first premium sedan, the Genesis, is changing people's minds about the brand. It also says its first foray away from the low-priced and long-warrantied cars that made them well-known in America is attracting previous owners of luxury cars.
Is the dealer Rick Case?
Don't fall for it. Insist on your original deal or take your money some place else.
If you have a signed contract sue them.
It used to be that used car dealers were the sleazy ones. In recent years new car dealers have adopted sleaze as routine business tactics.
When I tried to lease a Genesis I could not find a dealer to give the official lease price advertised by Hyundai. Rick case told me that they did not make enough money on the official lease only after the salesman got me to the dealership by quoting me the lower price over the phone. The place I bought told me up front they wouldn't do the official lease price. I decided to buy instead.
I think you are going to find it hard to find a dealer to give you the official lease price.
It took me four tries on my Azera to find one that would do the advertised lease deal. Oddly, all of them on the PHONE told me they would, but when I got to the dealer, terms changed. You can find one, but it might take a few tries.
For anyone else who placed an order last month and got a lease price, and is waiting for your car...you better check with the dealer on what your Sept deal will be.
By the way, the 66% didn't come from Hyundai, it was estimated by ALG, a leading provider of residual value information on products such as automotive.
Is Hyundai that much worse? I traded my '02 Sonata after 4 years & 105K miles on it and got $5000 for it.