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I would play hardball because they would try to get every penny out of you they could get, right?
BTW, Fortune magazine reported that Edmunds' is going to build its own test track and purchase 1,000 cars annually to test and go head to head with Consumer Reports on delivering "unbiased" reports for purchasers while still accepting ads from manufacturers.
Also, I get a monthly newsletter from the Hyundai dealership where I purchased my 2006 Azera. Back in March and April they had a huge talk-up on the Genesis and they sounded really excited about it and said there will be more information upcoming. But May - nothing; June - nothing; July - nothing; August - nothing. I was certain that September's newsletter would at least MENTION the Genesis, but there was nothing -- not even a "Genesis is here. Come and see it" message. I think it's rather odd that these local dealerships had exciting write-ups about the revolutionary Genesis back in March and April but since then haven't said a single word. Even if they didn't have any in stock, you'd think they would still try to build a little interest in it.
Back in about April, I emailed the sales rep. I bought my Azera from and told him to email me with information about the Genesis when he got it. I told him I was interested. Not one word and it's now September 19.
I hope things will pick up when the V8 becomes available, but it's not looking that good. They completely abandoned the Azera two years ago. I think they are focusing their limited resources on what they think will sell -- the economy vehicles. It's all about money and right now they apparently don't think the Azera or Genesis (or the SUVs for that matter) are worth promoting at all.
And that is a problem... how? Would the locally-produced Genesis commercials be better in some way than the high-profile national ads? :confuse:
Every weekend I see the Genesis highlighted in ads by local dealers in the newspaper. The Azera and Veracruz are usually mentioned also. So they haven't given up on selling their "big iron." Most dealers around here don't bother to advertise Elantras any more, since there's maybe a dozen in the entire metro area until the 2009s arrive.
KBB numbers are inflated. Use the calculator here at Edmunds, it is much more accurate.
A few years ago we would have been lucky to get 5 or 6K for it, so I would say that Hyundai's resale is coming up, slow but sure.
So you think your 04 Sonata has appreciated $1,000 - $2,200 in the last 2 years?
I dont think so. The only cars breaking even (probably still not appreciating) are the Prius hybrids and the diesel VW's. Anyway, if you think it is appreciating, why did you sell it?? The new Sonata depreciated the moment you drove it off the lot....
They might send you one for free!
doug71
I'm sure Hyundai is well aware there is snow in Canada as well as vast areas of the U.S.
The national Genesis commercials are few and far between. Local ads (including TV, radio, and newspaper) are shown daily and indicate to me what the local dealers feel is worthy of being promoted. Sadly, what I am seeing is the Genesis taking the same road as the Azera. It is not being promoted by the local dealerships in my area. They are not even mentioning it in their ads, newsletters or emails.
I think this can be blamed mostly on the economy. The local dealerships here are totally focused on "economy" vehicles and have pretty much abandoned all advertising for SUVs and the larger sedans (including the Genesis).
What I have observed is that back in March/April there was a lot of hype for the Genesis from the local dealerships. Now there is nothing at all. If you feel this is no problem. Fine. But I think it's a bad sign -- especially for a brand new flagship vehicle that Hyundai is trying to break into a very competitive market.
Sorry, but I have found the reverse to be true. The numbers that Edmunds spits out have been wrong every time. KBB has been much more accurate than Edmunds. Please note, I am saying for my area.
Just so you know...I put the same info in using Edmunds value calculator and the numbers came out even higher than what KBB gave me.
It is a problem I don't see any evidence of where I live. But then I live in a metropolitan area of about 2.5 million people, so per person ad cost is much lower than in Utah, making it a better business proposition for local dealers to advertise the Genesis... which they do--if mainly in print ads. Also perhaps they sponsor the "national" ads, on a regional basis? So they get shown more often in more densely-populated areas than in areas such as Utah? I don't know if that is true or not.
I am not sure what you mean by national commercials being "few and far between", but I see more Genesis TV ads than I see for Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac, etc. There is also all the press/reviews about Genesis, which is "free advertising" and perhaps more effective than locally-produced ads because it is in the form of a 3rd-party testamonial. Hyundai may be factoring that into their marketing plan.
As an owner of an 07 G35 (and a recent test driver of a V6Genesis) I'd much rather have the instantanious throttle response available w/ the current G instead of the downshift lag w/ the extra gearing in the Gen. They're different cars though, the G is much more performance oriented, the Gen is more of a luxury cruiser. The slight sacrifice in MPG is worth it in my opinion. Getting 25hwy at 85mph average in the G. BTW, I got excellent MPG w/ our last Hyundai (06 Sonata v6) avg'd 30mpg at 80 mph, so it's definately possible (although at over 250hp it gets pretty tough).
BTW, someone who has been to the Genesis training told me that they were told that some features will be added annually so they will be "new." Hopefully some of the V8 ones will migrate to the V6 Premium Package. Also, they were told emphatically that the Genesis is not a sports sedan despite what the brochures say. It is a luxury sedan and should be considered as such.
Hyundai will learn the hard/costliest way. Good service and happy customers increase the bottom line. obviously they haven't done it right and don't have the management capable of doing it right !
1] Appt. 9AM, sat, no one went to car for 1:30 mins result bad!
2] Fixed body seam/great
3] never touched paint overspray on windows !
4] Employee conversations,everything but business related, thats a sure way not to run any dealership junk or luxury!
5]I will request a different SERVICE DEALER,and never return.
This was a black on black with the technology pkg. Sticker is $42,100. The new wheels look fantastic, as does the total interior. One thing that surprised us, was how much larger the Genesis trunk is, than even the Azera trunk. As for seating room, it is also much larger than my Azera (6'2" 300+lbs), so size matters. We did try and keep the drool off the leather.
That is not for the test?
Where do you live in????
This is the sort of thing that I would guess doesn't happen with the premium badge makes and I'm prepared to live with it for the price difference but if Hyundai wants to succeed in the luxury car market they will need to improve their service level in a big way.
By the way just to make you guys in the U.S. feel better, in Canada we pay 10-15% more for the car (all cars) and with Hyundai, we get half the warranty - 5 years instead of 10 and 3 years roadside service.
If anyone else is in the same situation with delivery of their car in Canada let me know - misery loves company.
RW
Just curious.............
1) The Slowdown of Genesis Production
The main reason I believe for the late release of the Genesis is that Hyundai recently went through labor strife (which is annual, by the way). After months of wrangling between the labor and the management, they finally passed the bill (of increasing wages etc etc). Hence, it has been about 1-2 weeks since this went through, and I believe this is the main culprit for the sudden decrease in the Genesis delivery.
BTW, even press cars regarding the Genesis have been put on hold. I know that HMC wants to sell as MANY Genesis as possible - they invested huge money in this and the high popularity of the Genesis in Korea may not be able to break even: they need Genesis to sell well in NA market. Hence, I am sure you will be seeing an upsurge of production and will see enough V6s and V8s to go around.
(2) ECU Problems
Another possible culprit is the reported ECU problems in Korean Genesis. A few cars have reported to have stalled on roads due to engine failure, which is believed not to be due to engine itself but due to ECU problems. I have heard that HMC is working on it.
I personally drove the Genesis at a dealer in California, and the car was very impressive. Cheaper than the new Audi A4 (fully loaded) and handles better? Yikes, this car is good.
To iedwinka:
Thanks for providing your insight on the labour problems.
With regard to th ECU problem, do we know if this has started showing up in cars here in North America or has it only been a problem in Korea so far?
Like you, my dealer has no clue when my car will arrive. Until it hits the port in Vancouver - for Canadian imports - the dealer claims that they can't get any indication of where the cars may be or when they will arrive. No VIN, no information at all.
In a day and age when we can track just about anything and manufacturer's depend on "just in time" delivery of raw materials/parts, it seems beyond comprehension that Hyundai can't figure out where their 4000 lb automobiles are.
I flew aircraft for a living so I know all about delays and unexpected changes to plans, but come on folks, by now Hyundai should have a vague clue as to how long it takes to assemble a car, put it on an east bound boat, take it off the boat when they hit dry land and load it onto a train or truck and drive it to a destination in North America. Then if they find it appropriate to add a two or three week buffer on top of that, fine but with today's technology I just can't believe it remains a mystery to the Canadian or U.S. corporate headquarters as to where their cars might be and when they will be able to deliver them to the customer.
RW
Yes they've shown me a piece of paper that indicates the car was ordered based on the signed agreement, what they can't tell me is when they will have a car delivered to them that meets my colour and options specs. I ordered the beige exterior with the saddle brown interior and tech package - saw this colour combo in a car without the tech package and it looks great. Apparently it's not a colour combo that is available in the U.S. but for some reason it is in Canada. My wife could care less about the tech toys but she really liked this colour combo.
My dealer is telling me that they will likely get stock first in black on black and silver with black interior. After owning one black car in our climate, I swore I'd never do that to myself again and I personally find there are way too many silver cars on the road today. I think the Genesis looks great in silver but it's just not for me. Will just have to hold on until the right one shows up I guess.
RW
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All they have to do is pull something called a DCS report that lists the dealer's inventory report. This report shows cars that are in stock and for how many days. It also will list cars that are on order/allocation (same thing) with their VIN's. This report will also tell them when your car gets on a truck and what the expected date of arrival is. There is a 1-2 day margin of error on the actual date that the car hits the ground. My first V8 was 1 day late.
Your dealer will not have any clue as to whether your car is 1 week away or 3 months until there is a change in the vehicle status however.
Just thought I would put that stat out there.
RW
This is a really good question? Does anyone have any info on this?
RW
So you have received your first V8?
I am in Florida and all the dealer can tell me is that they received a letter from Hyundai telling them not to even call and check status until mid October.
Any update on if they are making the pearl white cars yet?
Thanks.
I read in a Hyundai press release earlier in the year that they have 763 dealerships in the US, and are still growing that number.
Just over one car per dealer is not very impressive. My local dealer has 15 V6's on the lot. The problem is they are all V6 with Premium Plus packages (no tech). Have yet to receive the first V8. Hyundai needs to start building more of the high end cars (especially if they want to compete with Lexus, etc).
Black on tan with tech. Man, this car will scoot!!! The thing is though, the power isn't head-snapper power. You mash the throttle and the RPM's jump up and it seems like nothing is really happening. Then you look down and you're doing 100mph+ and you realize what's going on.
The V8 is just SO smooth. You really have to drive it to appreciate it. If you like exhaust sound from inside the cabin, and harsh acceleration, then this car is not for you. If however, you like smooth and silent, with loads of power, then hello darling!! This is the one. I was VERY impressed.
There are 7 V8's in Florida as of right now. One of them has a tech pkg. It is the dark blue with the saddle interior. Anyway, if your dealer has one on order, they should have it now, or any day now.
Pearl white paint is a whole other story however. There is no end in sight to the delay on that. I still have a V6 w/tech sitting out there in the ether just waiting to materialize on the lot. No word on when these will get around to getting here.
As far as the dealers with V6's are concerned, the packages that are out right now were ordered directly by the dealers. They probably thought that the less exspensive models would sell better. I think the other way around. If you are going to buy a $35,000 to $40,000 Hyundai right now, you probably want all of the bells and whistles. All we ever sell in Azera's is the Ultimate package. Also, most everyone that we have had come in the door and ask about a Genesis has been interested in Nav and the rest of the tech pkg. Just seems like a car like this should have all of the goodies.
Now that the initial order period is over however, HMA will be allocating the Genesis just like they do Elantra's. The dealers that are selling the cars will get the most, but they will not be able to directly order them. They will have to take what is on their allocation and hope that they get some goods colors and packages.
Hope this info helped.
Well...we all know for a fact that each dealer isn't selling 1 Genesis. The question really is...which dealerships are actually making the sales. Speaking with one of the guys at Alexandria Hyundai (VA), they've sold just under 20 in the last few months.